Posted:
#26
Crawl back in your hole jive Turkey
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Does the AFL need a revamp?
Posted:
#31
No the AFL does not need a revamp. Get a group of players with 60-100 games under their belts and reach the required levels of stamina to run out a game. The game has changed so much in the last five years in terms of aerobic capacity and expectation and IMO teams are taking a while to catch up/re-draft accordingly.
Case in point look at Rhys Palmer now... he was a gun junior and a high draft prospect, these days he seems to clearly lack a step of pace and dare I say it the game has gone past him somewhat.. and he was only drafted in '08 (?)
Furthermore, with such an open space and field of play, tactics, presses etc have become more and more of a requirement. Man on man is scarcely implemented because the game is changing so quickly both tactically and physically. The coaching staff is IMO now more important than ever before, and if they get it wrong in today's style of gameplay, a real arse beating is in store for them.
It seems though this argument has degenerated into an AFL v NRL discussion. I am glad to offer my two cents !
Anyone who could honestly put NRL into the same breath or up for comparison with AFL has either been brought up in a league environment or is an idiot.
AFL is the national game and is embraced in 75% of the country. No one could give a flying F about league outside of NSW & QLD. How anyone can spruik league's national appeal when they have ONE team outside of NSW & QLD is beyond me.
(Furthermore, how has that one side been going? The Storm had one of the most in depth salary cap rorting programs ever seen in Aus sport. So more or less they had to heavily cheat to achieve the level of success they have had... perhaps they needed to cheat to improve their performances so as to obtain market share in the AFL driven Vic market)
Now onto the gameplay itself. IMO Rugby league is one of the most boring and mindless sports in the world. Rugby Union has an element of game play and tactical manouvering and a degree of openness. NRL, as rooboybaz said, is merely get ball run 3m, bang, bend over roll the ball run 3m bang. Repeat. How anyone can seriously compare the aerobic capacity and the skill sets that AFL players possess is laughable. AFL players are the modern day gladiators, no sport in the world is as demanding on a persons ability to run out a game at a high pace whilst maintaining their skills.
Best example I can think of is on the road the other day I saw a sign saying North Beach Rugby League club new players wanted. I am a 24 yo male. If I was to go down to this rugby league club, having never played league before... what would they teach me? They'd say run in this line with the team and get ready for the pass. Once you get it you'll be slammed front on almost immediately. Now get up and do it again. What skills would they teach me? What plays would they teach me apart from a little inside pass or a pass fake or a sidestep? They'd tell me to go to the gym and prepare my body for crashing and bashing. There is no great level of skill. It is a wall of players running directly at another wall of players. Absolutely mind numbing sport that caters to the blue collar underbelly of NSW and QLD.
Take a look at Karmichael Hunt playing AFL... he's efforts have been admirable but really he's nowhere. Now by comparison put say Jonathon Brown into the Broncos. I think that he wouldn't be the worst addition. He has size. All he'd have to do is tackle and pass. yawn.
Having said all this I do punt quite a bit on the NRL... I rarely watch it though.
The most confusing part of it all to me is, if you're going to like rugby, why not union? Union is embraced far more internationally and is a better brand of game to watch.
Rugby League has Australia V NZ at the World Cups and no one else comes close.
League is for meatheads, who just like to go bang and crash without thought of tactics or consequence. It doesn't matter though, with max avg crowds seemingly around 10-12k NRL will be much an after thought in the next twenty years. The way the AFL is progressing, and with the attractive fast paced style of game play, more and more will embrace AFL. Rugby League will be reduced to much a suburban/amateur competition, and that is the position it deserves.
So in answer to the thread - no; the AFL doesn't need a revamp.
Case in point look at Rhys Palmer now... he was a gun junior and a high draft prospect, these days he seems to clearly lack a step of pace and dare I say it the game has gone past him somewhat.. and he was only drafted in '08 (?)
Furthermore, with such an open space and field of play, tactics, presses etc have become more and more of a requirement. Man on man is scarcely implemented because the game is changing so quickly both tactically and physically. The coaching staff is IMO now more important than ever before, and if they get it wrong in today's style of gameplay, a real arse beating is in store for them.
It seems though this argument has degenerated into an AFL v NRL discussion. I am glad to offer my two cents !
Anyone who could honestly put NRL into the same breath or up for comparison with AFL has either been brought up in a league environment or is an idiot.
AFL is the national game and is embraced in 75% of the country. No one could give a flying F about league outside of NSW & QLD. How anyone can spruik league's national appeal when they have ONE team outside of NSW & QLD is beyond me.
(Furthermore, how has that one side been going? The Storm had one of the most in depth salary cap rorting programs ever seen in Aus sport. So more or less they had to heavily cheat to achieve the level of success they have had... perhaps they needed to cheat to improve their performances so as to obtain market share in the AFL driven Vic market)
Now onto the gameplay itself. IMO Rugby league is one of the most boring and mindless sports in the world. Rugby Union has an element of game play and tactical manouvering and a degree of openness. NRL, as rooboybaz said, is merely get ball run 3m, bang, bend over roll the ball run 3m bang. Repeat. How anyone can seriously compare the aerobic capacity and the skill sets that AFL players possess is laughable. AFL players are the modern day gladiators, no sport in the world is as demanding on a persons ability to run out a game at a high pace whilst maintaining their skills.
Best example I can think of is on the road the other day I saw a sign saying North Beach Rugby League club new players wanted. I am a 24 yo male. If I was to go down to this rugby league club, having never played league before... what would they teach me? They'd say run in this line with the team and get ready for the pass. Once you get it you'll be slammed front on almost immediately. Now get up and do it again. What skills would they teach me? What plays would they teach me apart from a little inside pass or a pass fake or a sidestep? They'd tell me to go to the gym and prepare my body for crashing and bashing. There is no great level of skill. It is a wall of players running directly at another wall of players. Absolutely mind numbing sport that caters to the blue collar underbelly of NSW and QLD.
Take a look at Karmichael Hunt playing AFL... he's efforts have been admirable but really he's nowhere. Now by comparison put say Jonathon Brown into the Broncos. I think that he wouldn't be the worst addition. He has size. All he'd have to do is tackle and pass. yawn.
Having said all this I do punt quite a bit on the NRL... I rarely watch it though.
The most confusing part of it all to me is, if you're going to like rugby, why not union? Union is embraced far more internationally and is a better brand of game to watch.
Rugby League has Australia V NZ at the World Cups and no one else comes close.
League is for meatheads, who just like to go bang and crash without thought of tactics or consequence. It doesn't matter though, with max avg crowds seemingly around 10-12k NRL will be much an after thought in the next twenty years. The way the AFL is progressing, and with the attractive fast paced style of game play, more and more will embrace AFL. Rugby League will be reduced to much a suburban/amateur competition, and that is the position it deserves.
So in answer to the thread - no; the AFL doesn't need a revamp.
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Rugby Union
Posted:
#35
Quote Originally Posted by nbird33:
No the AFL does not need a revamp. Get a group of players with 60-100 games under their belts and reach the required levels of stamina to run out a game. The game has changed so much in the last five years in terms of aerobic capacity and expectation and IMO teams are taking a while to catch up/re-draft accordingly.
Case in point look at Rhys Palmer now... he was a gun junior and a high draft prospect, these days he seems to clearly lack a step of pace and dare I say it the game has gone past him somewhat.. and he was only drafted in '08 (?)
Furthermore, with such an open space and field of play, tactics, presses etc have become more and more of a requirement. Man on man is scarcely implemented because the game is changing so quickly both tactically and physically. The coaching staff is IMO now more important than ever before, and if they get it wrong in today's style of gameplay, a real arse beating is in store for them.
It seems though this argument has degenerated into an AFL v NRL discussion. I am glad to offer my two cents !
Anyone who could honestly put NRL into the same breath or up for comparison with AFL has either been brought up in a league environment or is an idiot.
AFL is the national game and is embraced in 75% of the country. No one could give a flying F about league outside of NSW & QLD. How anyone can spruik league's national appeal when they have ONE team outside of NSW & QLD is beyond me.
(Furthermore, how has that one side been going? The Storm had one of the most in depth salary cap rorting programs ever seen in Aus sport. So more or less they had to heavily cheat to achieve the level of success they have had... perhaps they needed to cheat to improve their performances so as to obtain market share in the AFL driven Vic market)
Now onto the gameplay itself. IMO Rugby league is one of the most boring and mindless sports in the world. Rugby Union has an element of game play and tactical manouvering and a degree of openness. NRL, as rooboybaz said, is merely get ball run 3m, bang, bend over roll the ball run 3m bang. Repeat. How anyone can seriously compare the aerobic capacity and the skill sets that AFL players possess is laughable. AFL players are the modern day gladiators, no sport in the world is as demanding on a persons ability to run out a game at a high pace whilst maintaining their skills.
Best example I can think of is on the road the other day I saw a sign saying North Beach Rugby League club new players wanted. I am a 24 yo male. If I was to go down to this rugby league club, having never played league before... what would they teach me? They'd say run in this line with the team and get ready for the pass. Once you get it you'll be slammed front on almost immediately. Now get up and do it again. What skills would they teach me? What plays would they teach me apart from a little inside pass or a pass fake or a sidestep? They'd tell me to go to the gym and prepare my body for crashing and bashing. There is no great level of skill. It is a wall of players running directly at another wall of players. Absolutely mind numbing sport that caters to the blue collar underbelly of NSW and QLD.
Take a look at Karmichael Hunt playing AFL... he's efforts have been admirable but really he's nowhere. Now by comparison put say Jonathon Brown into the Broncos. I think that he wouldn't be the worst addition. He has size. All he'd have to do is tackle and pass. yawn.
Having said all this I do punt quite a bit on the NRL... I rarely watch it though.
The most confusing part of it all to me is, if you're going to like rugby, why not union? Union is embraced far more internationally and is a better brand of game to watch.
Rugby League has Australia V NZ at the World Cups and no one else comes close.
League is for meatheads, who just like to go bang and crash without thought of tactics or consequence. It doesn't matter though, with max avg crowds seemingly around 10-12k NRL will be much an after thought in the next twenty years. The way the AFL is progressing, and with the attractive fast paced style of game play, more and more will embrace AFL. Rugby League will be reduced to much a suburban/amateur competition, and that is the position it deserves.
So in answer to the thread - no; the AFL doesn't need a revamp.
No the AFL does not need a revamp. Get a group of players with 60-100 games under their belts and reach the required levels of stamina to run out a game. The game has changed so much in the last five years in terms of aerobic capacity and expectation and IMO teams are taking a while to catch up/re-draft accordingly.
Case in point look at Rhys Palmer now... he was a gun junior and a high draft prospect, these days he seems to clearly lack a step of pace and dare I say it the game has gone past him somewhat.. and he was only drafted in '08 (?)
Furthermore, with such an open space and field of play, tactics, presses etc have become more and more of a requirement. Man on man is scarcely implemented because the game is changing so quickly both tactically and physically. The coaching staff is IMO now more important than ever before, and if they get it wrong in today's style of gameplay, a real arse beating is in store for them.
It seems though this argument has degenerated into an AFL v NRL discussion. I am glad to offer my two cents !
Anyone who could honestly put NRL into the same breath or up for comparison with AFL has either been brought up in a league environment or is an idiot.
AFL is the national game and is embraced in 75% of the country. No one could give a flying F about league outside of NSW & QLD. How anyone can spruik league's national appeal when they have ONE team outside of NSW & QLD is beyond me.
(Furthermore, how has that one side been going? The Storm had one of the most in depth salary cap rorting programs ever seen in Aus sport. So more or less they had to heavily cheat to achieve the level of success they have had... perhaps they needed to cheat to improve their performances so as to obtain market share in the AFL driven Vic market)
Now onto the gameplay itself. IMO Rugby league is one of the most boring and mindless sports in the world. Rugby Union has an element of game play and tactical manouvering and a degree of openness. NRL, as rooboybaz said, is merely get ball run 3m, bang, bend over roll the ball run 3m bang. Repeat. How anyone can seriously compare the aerobic capacity and the skill sets that AFL players possess is laughable. AFL players are the modern day gladiators, no sport in the world is as demanding on a persons ability to run out a game at a high pace whilst maintaining their skills.
Best example I can think of is on the road the other day I saw a sign saying North Beach Rugby League club new players wanted. I am a 24 yo male. If I was to go down to this rugby league club, having never played league before... what would they teach me? They'd say run in this line with the team and get ready for the pass. Once you get it you'll be slammed front on almost immediately. Now get up and do it again. What skills would they teach me? What plays would they teach me apart from a little inside pass or a pass fake or a sidestep? They'd tell me to go to the gym and prepare my body for crashing and bashing. There is no great level of skill. It is a wall of players running directly at another wall of players. Absolutely mind numbing sport that caters to the blue collar underbelly of NSW and QLD.
Take a look at Karmichael Hunt playing AFL... he's efforts have been admirable but really he's nowhere. Now by comparison put say Jonathon Brown into the Broncos. I think that he wouldn't be the worst addition. He has size. All he'd have to do is tackle and pass. yawn.
Having said all this I do punt quite a bit on the NRL... I rarely watch it though.
The most confusing part of it all to me is, if you're going to like rugby, why not union? Union is embraced far more internationally and is a better brand of game to watch.
Rugby League has Australia V NZ at the World Cups and no one else comes close.
League is for meatheads, who just like to go bang and crash without thought of tactics or consequence. It doesn't matter though, with max avg crowds seemingly around 10-12k NRL will be much an after thought in the next twenty years. The way the AFL is progressing, and with the attractive fast paced style of game play, more and more will embrace AFL. Rugby League will be reduced to much a suburban/amateur competition, and that is the position it deserves.
So in answer to the thread - no; the AFL doesn't need a revamp.
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#39
Quote Originally Posted by nbird33:
then what's league?
then what's league?
Who can score tries.....
Union just comes down to goal kicking....Penalties galore, kicking for goal 50-55 metres out.....
If Hazem El Masri played union he would have ended up being richer than Bill Gates.......Cause thats what it is, who has the best goal kicker.....
I remember losing an unders bet and there was only 1 try scored.....
WTF is that?
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Posted:
#43
Quote Originally Posted by nbird33:
No the AFL does not need a revamp. Get a group of players with 60-100 games under their belts and reach the required levels of stamina to run out a game. The game has changed so much in the last five years in terms of aerobic capacity and expectation and IMO teams are taking a while to catch up/re-draft accordingly.
Case in point look at Rhys Palmer now... he was a gun junior and a high draft prospect, these days he seems to clearly lack a step of pace and dare I say it the game has gone past him somewhat.. and he was only drafted in '08 (?)
Furthermore, with such an open space and field of play, tactics, presses etc have become more and more of a requirement. Man on man is scarcely implemented because the game is changing so quickly both tactically and physically. The coaching staff is IMO now more important than ever before, and if they get it wrong in today's style of gameplay, a real arse beating is in store for them.
It seems though this argument has degenerated into an AFL v NRL discussion. I am glad to offer my two cents !
Anyone who could honestly put NRL into the same breath or up for comparison with AFL has either been brought up in a league environment or is an idiot.
AFL is the national game and is embraced in 75% of the country. No one could give a flying F about league outside of NSW & QLD. How anyone can spruik league's national appeal when they have ONE team outside of NSW & QLD is beyond me.
(Furthermore, how has that one side been going? The Storm had one of the most in depth salary cap rorting programs ever seen in Aus sport. So more or less they had to heavily cheat to achieve the level of success they have had... perhaps they needed to cheat to improve their performances so as to obtain market share in the AFL driven Vic market)
Now onto the gameplay itself. IMO Rugby league is one of the most boring and mindless sports in the world. Rugby Union has an element of game play and tactical manouvering and a degree of openness. NRL, as rooboybaz said, is merely get ball run 3m, bang, bend over roll the ball run 3m bang. Repeat. How anyone can seriously compare the aerobic capacity and the skill sets that AFL players possess is laughable. AFL players are the modern day gladiators, no sport in the world is as demanding on a persons ability to run out a game at a high pace whilst maintaining their skills.
Best example I can think of is on the road the other day I saw a sign saying North Beach Rugby League club new players wanted. I am a 24 yo male. If I was to go down to this rugby league club, having never played league before... what would they teach me? They'd say run in this line with the team and get ready for the pass. Once you get it you'll be slammed front on almost immediately. Now get up and do it again. What skills would they teach me? What plays would they teach me apart from a little inside pass or a pass fake or a sidestep? They'd tell me to go to the gym and prepare my body for crashing and bashing. There is no great level of skill. It is a wall of players running directly at another wall of players. Absolutely mind numbing sport that caters to the blue collar underbelly of NSW and QLD.
Take a look at Karmichael Hunt playing AFL... he's efforts have been admirable but really he's nowhere. Now by comparison put say Jonathon Brown into the Broncos. I think that he wouldn't be the worst addition. He has size. All he'd have to do is tackle and pass. yawn.
Having said all this I do punt quite a bit on the NRL... I rarely watch it though.
The most confusing part of it all to me is, if you're going to like rugby, why not union? Union is embraced far more internationally and is a better brand of game to watch.
Rugby League has Australia V NZ at the World Cups and no one else comes close.
League is for meatheads, who just like to go bang and crash without thought of tactics or consequence. It doesn't matter though, with max avg crowds seemingly around 10-12k NRL will be much an after thought in the next twenty years. The way the AFL is progressing, and with the attractive fast paced style of game play, more and more will embrace AFL. Rugby League will be reduced to much a suburban/amateur competition, and that is the position it deserves.
So in answer to the thread - no; the AFL doesn't need a revamp.
No the AFL does not need a revamp. Get a group of players with 60-100 games under their belts and reach the required levels of stamina to run out a game. The game has changed so much in the last five years in terms of aerobic capacity and expectation and IMO teams are taking a while to catch up/re-draft accordingly.
Case in point look at Rhys Palmer now... he was a gun junior and a high draft prospect, these days he seems to clearly lack a step of pace and dare I say it the game has gone past him somewhat.. and he was only drafted in '08 (?)
Furthermore, with such an open space and field of play, tactics, presses etc have become more and more of a requirement. Man on man is scarcely implemented because the game is changing so quickly both tactically and physically. The coaching staff is IMO now more important than ever before, and if they get it wrong in today's style of gameplay, a real arse beating is in store for them.
It seems though this argument has degenerated into an AFL v NRL discussion. I am glad to offer my two cents !
Anyone who could honestly put NRL into the same breath or up for comparison with AFL has either been brought up in a league environment or is an idiot.
AFL is the national game and is embraced in 75% of the country. No one could give a flying F about league outside of NSW & QLD. How anyone can spruik league's national appeal when they have ONE team outside of NSW & QLD is beyond me.
(Furthermore, how has that one side been going? The Storm had one of the most in depth salary cap rorting programs ever seen in Aus sport. So more or less they had to heavily cheat to achieve the level of success they have had... perhaps they needed to cheat to improve their performances so as to obtain market share in the AFL driven Vic market)
Now onto the gameplay itself. IMO Rugby league is one of the most boring and mindless sports in the world. Rugby Union has an element of game play and tactical manouvering and a degree of openness. NRL, as rooboybaz said, is merely get ball run 3m, bang, bend over roll the ball run 3m bang. Repeat. How anyone can seriously compare the aerobic capacity and the skill sets that AFL players possess is laughable. AFL players are the modern day gladiators, no sport in the world is as demanding on a persons ability to run out a game at a high pace whilst maintaining their skills.
Best example I can think of is on the road the other day I saw a sign saying North Beach Rugby League club new players wanted. I am a 24 yo male. If I was to go down to this rugby league club, having never played league before... what would they teach me? They'd say run in this line with the team and get ready for the pass. Once you get it you'll be slammed front on almost immediately. Now get up and do it again. What skills would they teach me? What plays would they teach me apart from a little inside pass or a pass fake or a sidestep? They'd tell me to go to the gym and prepare my body for crashing and bashing. There is no great level of skill. It is a wall of players running directly at another wall of players. Absolutely mind numbing sport that caters to the blue collar underbelly of NSW and QLD.
Take a look at Karmichael Hunt playing AFL... he's efforts have been admirable but really he's nowhere. Now by comparison put say Jonathon Brown into the Broncos. I think that he wouldn't be the worst addition. He has size. All he'd have to do is tackle and pass. yawn.
Having said all this I do punt quite a bit on the NRL... I rarely watch it though.
The most confusing part of it all to me is, if you're going to like rugby, why not union? Union is embraced far more internationally and is a better brand of game to watch.
Rugby League has Australia V NZ at the World Cups and no one else comes close.
League is for meatheads, who just like to go bang and crash without thought of tactics or consequence. It doesn't matter though, with max avg crowds seemingly around 10-12k NRL will be much an after thought in the next twenty years. The way the AFL is progressing, and with the attractive fast paced style of game play, more and more will embrace AFL. Rugby League will be reduced to much a suburban/amateur competition, and that is the position it deserves.
So in answer to the thread - no; the AFL doesn't need a revamp.
another water-tight case for AFL right there.
Seriously, if you don't even know the first thing about the game how can you buy into an argument about it ? It's pretty ignorant stuff at best.
To the untrained eye AFL can look like a pretty ridiculous and clumsy, fumbling spectacle at times but at least SOME people who aren't followers of the code first and foremost take the time to understand and appreciate what the game is about so they can provide a reasonably objective argument.
But if ignorance is bliss for you tunnel-visioned Melbourites then knock yourselves out.
No ones gives a fuck about league outside Qld and NSW hey ? Well why have nearly 100k people turned up to the G when given the chance to watch a state of origin match ?
The question was asked as to whether the AFL needs to address a clearly yawning gap between the "have's" and the "have nots" within the competition & the ridiculously lop-sided scorelines that have become a regular occurrence in the comp.
We're still yet to see anyone from the AFL side of the fence post anything that even remotely addresses the original question about the massive talent discrepancy that's crueled the competitiveness of the comp.
There's a lot of things Rugby league could do better, both in terms of the way the game is played on the field and the way it's managed off the field. But one of the big things that the NRL has got right is the system that enables the competition to be so ultra-competitive and close fought week to week and wire to wire.
THAT is what we're supposed to be discussing here so unless you're willing to do that, please spare us with the "rugby league is fucken meat head crash and bash bullshit"
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#46
Good piece of healthy discussion amongst us Australians and NZ, that's what covers needs more of.
Please remember Battler, these are my opinions and that is all, and what I think/say/do certainly won't topple league will it - but I really do believe it's a horrible game.
But I do think that rugby scorelines are close Jive Turkey because of the nature of the game... the difference between the best and lesser league players is not as great as the gulf between the best and lesser players in the AFL. The nature of league, the gameplay and such doesn't allow for the 'best' players to truly 'dominate' and change games ALL the time. AFL is so much more of a demanding game played over a long period over a greater area. By comparison league is played in a much smaller space in bursts.
Furthermore JiveTurk, it's been stated previously in this thread the massive impact that SoO has. It's an institution in Australian sport...but the representative game of SoO is really all that the rest of Aus care about. NRL crowds tell the story.
The AFL doesn't need a revamp, the onus is on clubs to draft, develop and strategise correctly. As I said in my last post if teams get this wrong, they pay a heavy price. It isn't footy of 1992 where it was man on man and there wasn't a great deal of strategic input. AFL is played on such a massive space and so openly there are so many variables. Ideally, and as the AFL spruiks the competition success is cyclical thanks to the draft (supposedly) ... but alot of the result is heavily dependent on the motor that a player has been able to improve and the game plan implemented by the coaching staff. The best teams atm have alot of players aged 21-25 with 50-100 games under their belts. That is what makes clubs good, match practice and game understanding and the ability to run out the game.
As a side note, I think the AFL will continue to get closer as the game steps more towards the middle of the scale between skills and athletic capacity. I think this will bring the field closer together.
Anyhow, great banter !
What's the league tip for tonight boys?
Ps. Im from Perth.
Please remember Battler, these are my opinions and that is all, and what I think/say/do certainly won't topple league will it - but I really do believe it's a horrible game.
But I do think that rugby scorelines are close Jive Turkey because of the nature of the game... the difference between the best and lesser league players is not as great as the gulf between the best and lesser players in the AFL. The nature of league, the gameplay and such doesn't allow for the 'best' players to truly 'dominate' and change games ALL the time. AFL is so much more of a demanding game played over a long period over a greater area. By comparison league is played in a much smaller space in bursts.
Furthermore JiveTurk, it's been stated previously in this thread the massive impact that SoO has. It's an institution in Australian sport...but the representative game of SoO is really all that the rest of Aus care about. NRL crowds tell the story.
The AFL doesn't need a revamp, the onus is on clubs to draft, develop and strategise correctly. As I said in my last post if teams get this wrong, they pay a heavy price. It isn't footy of 1992 where it was man on man and there wasn't a great deal of strategic input. AFL is played on such a massive space and so openly there are so many variables. Ideally, and as the AFL spruiks the competition success is cyclical thanks to the draft (supposedly) ... but alot of the result is heavily dependent on the motor that a player has been able to improve and the game plan implemented by the coaching staff. The best teams atm have alot of players aged 21-25 with 50-100 games under their belts. That is what makes clubs good, match practice and game understanding and the ability to run out the game.
As a side note, I think the AFL will continue to get closer as the game steps more towards the middle of the scale between skills and athletic capacity. I think this will bring the field closer together.
Anyhow, great banter !
What's the league tip for tonight boys?
Ps. Im from Perth.
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#47
on a side note has anyone taken advantage of this disparity between the alleged haves and have nots? It's been a good betting season in that respect, ie betting the Pies for the 4th qtr line has been $$ all season. There are certain teams that you know are going to finish strong, and to a lesser degree there are particular teams in certain situations that you can reasonably predict are going to finish poorly!
From that perspective, I don't mind the gulf that much
From that perspective, I don't mind the gulf that much
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Posted:
#48
Quote Originally Posted by Jive_Turkey:
still yet to see you post anything to support your case for AFL other than "cos I fucken said so" ect
dick head
i dont see why i have to sit here for 5-10min writing a rebuttal trying to explain a case for my opinions on a sport i prefer. do i hate rugby?? not at all!!! actually been supporting the dragons for 10yrs. do i believe it comes close to the level of skill as the afl? not at all!! do i feel the need to tell you why?? not at all!!! (but i will anyway now cause you were a meanie)
the question was: does the afl need a revamp?
my answer NO
why?:
cats v pies tonight. a round24 clash that has no bearing on the ladder going into finals next week will pull a crowd as big as any state of origin game. whats there to revamp there?
last week cats v swans. the line was -40 odd in the cats favour. swans won by 13 points. so upsets are still happening. whats there to revamp there?
3-4 weeks ago the crows were playing shocking footy. sacked their coach (who imo wasnt all that bad- but his time had definitely come) and then start playing really good enjoyable footy to watch. proving that a team who apparently needed a 'revamp' just needed a change of scenery to compete again. therefore proving theres plenty of time to show your list has promise keeping your fans excited. whats there to revamp there?
last year west coast finished wooden spoon (last on the ladder for all you league fanatics). this year they are TOP4. what does that say? imo it shows a club always has the offseason to make themselves a threat again. whats there to revamp there?
this question was posted during a week were 1st was playing 16th 2nd were v'ing 13th etc etc. what was the line for monday nights nrl game? -20 or some shit? does the league need a revamp cause the worst team in the league is clearly inferior to title contenders? not at all!!
lets just say in a league game where a combined score of 40-50 is the norm and one teams gets done by 10 points (ie. 30-20). the losing team here has only managed to score 66% of the the winning teams margin. now lets take that percentage to AFL and the score was 100-66. looks like a blowout doesnt it? but in retrospect its the same percentage difference so is the league game a blowout?? u tell me!
in footy its a lot easier to score than league/union hence the scores are a lot higher and the chance of a blowout is a possibility. and once again this year the top 2 have been punishing teams (which created this debate). but please remind the dickings STORM were producing? (while they were cheating) they were blowing teams out left right and centre in a greater percentage than cats and pies have been this year (maybe not v GC and port- but two teams with a weak roster. happens in all codes)
these are my reasons JT for not believing the afl needs a revamp. its just a different style of game in which the score can fluctuate due to the fact you get 6points a goal and a goal can be scored 50 metres away.
if you need to have a SoO to attract mass fans, where u get the best players who are playing the game together to pretty much brawl (some kiwis who play for NZ play??!!?!? please.... were they born in NSW or Q?) and the afl only needs to put 2 club teams (who of course have a strong supporter base) together to get the same crowd. then i believe the question should be: does the NRL need a revamp to make it more a spectacle instead of an eye sore.
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Quote Originally Posted by Jive_Turkey:
another water-tight case for AFL right there.
Seriously, if you don't even know the first thing about the game how can you buy into an argument about it ? It's pretty ignorant stuff at best.
To the untrained eye AFL can look like a pretty ridiculous and clumsy, fumbling spectacle at times but at least SOME people who aren't followers of the code first and foremost take the time to understand and appreciate what the game is about so they can provide a reasonably objective argument.
But if ignorance is bliss for you tunnel-visioned Melbourites then knock yourselves out.
No ones gives a fuck about league outside Qld and NSW hey ? Well why have nearly 100k people turned up to the G when given the chance to watch a state of origin match ?
The question was asked as to whether the AFL needs to address a clearly yawning gap between the "have's" and the "have nots" within the competition & the ridiculously lop-sided scorelines that have become a regular occurrence in the comp.
We're still yet to see anyone from the AFL side of the fence post anything that even remotely addresses the original question about the massive talent discrepancy that's crueled the competitiveness of the comp.
There's a lot of things Rugby league could do better, both in terms of the way the game is played on the field and the way it's managed off the field. But one of the big things that the NRL has got right is the system that enables the competition to be so ultra-competitive and close fought week to week and wire to wire.
THAT is what we're supposed to be discussing here so unless you're willing to do that, please spare us with the "rugby league is fucken meat head crash and bash bullshit"
1. it was actually
2. you clearly dont appreciate it
3. not just melbourne mate. dont forget WA, SA and even tassie.
4a. because the australian population loves fights. how many people turned up for green mundine? how many ppl watched it at home? why? (we are a vb holden loving country, its just the culture. although i do hat VB and dont love cars- its just our stereotype)
4b. the game is designed for fights and aggression! this is why u cant get suspended for season games if you smash on in origin. they wont fights to happen cause they no it attracts crowds. do it in afl you cop 6-12 weeks. therefore afl doesnt need brawls to fill seats (although i love origin, just pointing the fact out)
5. only this year. reasons: port are a joke unfortunately and GC are a team who have an average age of a colts team and they are playing big boys who hurt them. hard to produce awesome footy and compete when your new to the game and smaller than everyone you play.
6. i swear nbird did when he mention the aerobic capacity and they tactics of the game and how if you get it slightly wrong you could be cooked. maybe you should re-read that post
7. idea 1: abandon the game completely!! haha na just shit stirring i dont hate it at all
8. at the end of the day thats all it really is
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