does it really make sense to fix a nationally televised game. the guys who would pay enough money to convince refs to fix a game, or the refs betting enough on the game to want to fix it have to be smarter than that in the wake of the scandals for the same thing. i cant believe that the refs would be fixing games especially in national spotlight when there are so many games that nobody gives a shit about or would ever watch that could go by less suspiciously
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does it really make sense to fix a nationally televised game. the guys who would pay enough money to convince refs to fix a game, or the refs betting enough on the game to want to fix it have to be smarter than that in the wake of the scandals for the same thing. i cant believe that the refs would be fixing games especially in national spotlight when there are so many games that nobody gives a shit about or would ever watch that could go by less suspiciously
For entertainment matters lets not think because some of us lost that the ball game was fixed. I could say the same thing....but bball is a game of streaks....I was on the over 100 1h......with 4.30 left they were on pace to arrive between 105-110; no they did not fix anything. The teams just could not hit squat, and sure you can say it was a fix. Lets know that especially since they were both were on national TV.....They not only were not ideal outcomes but also it was not great basketball, and furthermore i doubt they want to end up like Donahey. National television,Cavs and Lebron...we lost, but not because of fixing. Sorry,
Your post was difficult to read because it was poorly written and plainly made little if any sense. Why did you bother? Obviously you didn't watch the second half of play last night, because so far, 9 out of 10 guys who did agreed wholeheartedly that at the very least, what they watched on TNT was "shady as fuck."
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Quote Originally Posted by stefshane:
Hi guys,
For entertainment matters lets not think because some of us lost that the ball game was fixed. I could say the same thing....but bball is a game of streaks....I was on the over 100 1h......with 4.30 left they were on pace to arrive between 105-110; no they did not fix anything. The teams just could not hit squat, and sure you can say it was a fix. Lets know that especially since they were both were on national TV.....They not only were not ideal outcomes but also it was not great basketball, and furthermore i doubt they want to end up like Donahey. National television,Cavs and Lebron...we lost, but not because of fixing. Sorry,
Your post was difficult to read because it was poorly written and plainly made little if any sense. Why did you bother? Obviously you didn't watch the second half of play last night, because so far, 9 out of 10 guys who did agreed wholeheartedly that at the very least, what they watched on TNT was "shady as fuck."
Can someone (FSUDrew, 1bajalife, or any other blind jerkoffs) tell me how this basketball game went over 209 in a legitimate way on a night that Denver 's Carmelo Anthony and Chauncey Billups combined to shoot 11-33 while Utah's trio of Mehmet Okur, Carlos Boozer, and Andrei Kirilenko went 10-45?
Give me a fucking break.
I agree, look at the total foul shots of each team. Extrodinarily high. As the regular season winds down, there will be heap more crooked games.
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Quote Originally Posted by MrBator:
Can someone (FSUDrew, 1bajalife, or any other blind jerkoffs) tell me how this basketball game went over 209 in a legitimate way on a night that Denver 's Carmelo Anthony and Chauncey Billups combined to shoot 11-33 while Utah's trio of Mehmet Okur, Carlos Boozer, and Andrei Kirilenko went 10-45?
Give me a fucking break.
I agree, look at the total foul shots of each team. Extrodinarily high. As the regular season winds down, there will be heap more crooked games.
does it really make sense to fix a nationally televised game. the guys who would pay enough money to convince refs to fix a game, or the refs betting enough on the game to want to fix it have to be smarter than that in the wake of the scandals for the same thing.
Why? Why do they "have to be smarter than that"? Who's going to complain about an over/under being manipulated? The home team? No. The visiting team? No. The fans at the game? No, not if they aren't betting on over/unders. So who's going to raise a fuss over the total being fixed in an NBA game, even a nationally televised one? Only us, the bettors. And how far will our fussing go? Pretty much nowhere. We'll bitch about it for a day, no one that matters will pay any attention, and today we'll all go back to betting and the matter fades away.
So why they should the refs, or whoever's paying them, worry about consequences? There aren't any. Officiating a basketball game is too arbitrary. Even if the NBA league office in New York decided to take a closer look at the replays of certain games, how can they prove that a series of terrible calls during the course of a game indicated a fixed outcome? And even if they knew, they have all the motivation in the world to never let that become publicly known. NEVER.
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Quote Originally Posted by gollum:
does it really make sense to fix a nationally televised game. the guys who would pay enough money to convince refs to fix a game, or the refs betting enough on the game to want to fix it have to be smarter than that in the wake of the scandals for the same thing.
Why? Why do they "have to be smarter than that"? Who's going to complain about an over/under being manipulated? The home team? No. The visiting team? No. The fans at the game? No, not if they aren't betting on over/unders. So who's going to raise a fuss over the total being fixed in an NBA game, even a nationally televised one? Only us, the bettors. And how far will our fussing go? Pretty much nowhere. We'll bitch about it for a day, no one that matters will pay any attention, and today we'll all go back to betting and the matter fades away.
So why they should the refs, or whoever's paying them, worry about consequences? There aren't any. Officiating a basketball game is too arbitrary. Even if the NBA league office in New York decided to take a closer look at the replays of certain games, how can they prove that a series of terrible calls during the course of a game indicated a fixed outcome? And even if they knew, they have all the motivation in the world to never let that become publicly known. NEVER.
i cant believe that the refs would be fixing games especially in national spotlight when there are so many games that nobody gives a shit about or would ever watch that could go by less suspiciously
What other games that "nobody gives a shit about or would ever watch" involve this much money being wagered? What other games could large sums be wagered without those large sums standing out like a sore thumb? These nationally televised games are ideal for fixing totals. How many people in the viewing audience are going to get upset by - or even notice - the stupid over/under being manipulated? How many non-bettors give a shit this morning that Utah and Denver attempted an outrageous 86 free throws last night on TNT? None.
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Quote Originally Posted by gollum:
i cant believe that the refs would be fixing games especially in national spotlight when there are so many games that nobody gives a shit about or would ever watch that could go by less suspiciously
What other games that "nobody gives a shit about or would ever watch" involve this much money being wagered? What other games could large sums be wagered without those large sums standing out like a sore thumb? These nationally televised games are ideal for fixing totals. How many people in the viewing audience are going to get upset by - or even notice - the stupid over/under being manipulated? How many non-bettors give a shit this morning that Utah and Denver attempted an outrageous 86 free throws last night on TNT? None.
Dude I had the under for a large amount, could not believe the shitfest I was witnessing. Utah ain't advancing past the first round regardless of who they play.
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Wow still up at this time Bator?
Dude I had the under for a large amount, could not believe the shitfest I was witnessing. Utah ain't advancing past the first round regardless of who they play.
Dude I had the under for a large amount, could not believe the shitfest I was witnessing.
We watched ourselves getting robbed and were helpless to do a damn thing about it. Nothing to do but wail away at Covers.com. I don't even feel like bothering to do the usual work in pursuit of "finding winners" for Friday night's NBA action. It seems pointless after watching Eric Lewis, Tom Washington, and Phil Robinson decided the over/under outcome of last night's game in Denver.
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Quote Originally Posted by HVP45:
Wow still up at this time Bator?
Dude I had the under for a large amount, could not believe the shitfest I was witnessing.
We watched ourselves getting robbed and were helpless to do a damn thing about it. Nothing to do but wail away at Covers.com. I don't even feel like bothering to do the usual work in pursuit of "finding winners" for Friday night's NBA action. It seems pointless after watching Eric Lewis, Tom Washington, and Phil Robinson decided the over/under outcome of last night's game in Denver.
I am dying to know the inside story of how an over fix like Jazz/Nuggets gets arranged. I am convinced that it happened, and the details would be completely intriguing. Who's really behind it? Is it the offshore books? Is it one offshore book? Is it a betting syndicate? Is it the NBA itself? Hey, why not? Talk about NEVER getting busted!
And how much money are they making? Who's connected to the referees themselves? And how much do the cheating scumbag zebras make for getting the game over the total?
So many more questions........
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I am dying to know the inside story of how an over fix like Jazz/Nuggets gets arranged. I am convinced that it happened, and the details would be completely intriguing. Who's really behind it? Is it the offshore books? Is it one offshore book? Is it a betting syndicate? Is it the NBA itself? Hey, why not? Talk about NEVER getting busted!
And how much money are they making? Who's connected to the referees themselves? And how much do the cheating scumbag zebras make for getting the game over the total?
Bator, this seems like a game that in all of your years of betting has really proved to you that a fixed game was truly what we had here. Am I right?
Ive seen fix threads before and they really did not make me believe, but today's thread and responses along with your responses are really making me believe that this was a game which nobody has ever seen in terms of betting and fixing.
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Bator, this seems like a game that in all of your years of betting has really proved to you that a fixed game was truly what we had here. Am I right?
Ive seen fix threads before and they really did not make me believe, but today's thread and responses along with your responses are really making me believe that this was a game which nobody has ever seen in terms of betting and fixing.
Bator, this seems like a game that in all of your years of betting has really proved to you that a fixed game was truly what we had here. Am I right?
Ive seen fix threads before and they really did not make me believe, but today's thread and responses along with your responses are really making me believe that this was a game which nobody has ever seen in terms of betting and fixing.
I've seen this before. In fact, I started a thread about the last obvious fix I fell victim to. It was a game in Cleveland between the Bulls and the Cavaliers back on January 2nd. If my memory's right, there were close to 50 free throws attempted in the first half! The overload of fouls continued in the third quarter, but by the end of the quarter, they were close enough to the over that they didn't have to keep doing it. Look in my archives and you'll be amused by the thread.
By the way, in writing this post, I looked up the officiating crew from that January 2nd fix job in Cleveland, and whaddaya know, Eric Lewis was in on that one, too.
Fucking Eric Lewis. Bring the jury back in here because I think we have enough to convict.
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Quote Originally Posted by rayallen1920:
Bator, this seems like a game that in all of your years of betting has really proved to you that a fixed game was truly what we had here. Am I right?
Ive seen fix threads before and they really did not make me believe, but today's thread and responses along with your responses are really making me believe that this was a game which nobody has ever seen in terms of betting and fixing.
I've seen this before. In fact, I started a thread about the last obvious fix I fell victim to. It was a game in Cleveland between the Bulls and the Cavaliers back on January 2nd. If my memory's right, there were close to 50 free throws attempted in the first half! The overload of fouls continued in the third quarter, but by the end of the quarter, they were close enough to the over that they didn't have to keep doing it. Look in my archives and you'll be amused by the thread.
By the way, in writing this post, I looked up the officiating crew from that January 2nd fix job in Cleveland, and whaddaya know, Eric Lewis was in on that one, too.
Fucking Eric Lewis. Bring the jury back in here because I think we have enough to convict.
maybe it is just the refs that bets over? they do not need anyone to pay them
If the referees were acting alone in fixing totals, with no one else profiting, the league would squash them like bugs. This is much bigger than the referees. They are merely the instruments.
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Quote Originally Posted by sinkhole1:
maybe it is just the refs that bets over? they do not need anyone to pay them
If the referees were acting alone in fixing totals, with no one else profiting, the league would squash them like bugs. This is much bigger than the referees. They are merely the instruments.
bator, yeah but how would the league know if this, as you say, is the "perfect crime" for nba fixing? sinkhole raises a good point, a point that by no means invalidates your claim of fixing games inasmuch as it points to the probability of a rogue element and not some over-arching nba conspiracy or collusion. it would be interesting to see the break down of numbers in called fouls and how many of them were from eric lewis in each instance of a questionable over. if, like you said, no one gives a shit about totals except gamblers, why would the nba care and risk bringing more controversy to the game with an investigation in unusally high calls by an official where it essnetially doesnt effect the outcome of the side? if anything they would see the discrepancy and look the other way for sake of avoiding further embarassment. and the officials are probably well aware of this, hence the viability of the rogue official theory. that honestly makes the most sense. you really think the nba is making money off of vegas with all the huge network contracts and sponsorships deals they got going on? thats absurd. the money they would make from fixing a total would be chicken scratch and not worth the risk compared to what they currently pull in from licensing alone. the rogue ref theory makes a lot more sense in this case.
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bator, yeah but how would the league know if this, as you say, is the "perfect crime" for nba fixing? sinkhole raises a good point, a point that by no means invalidates your claim of fixing games inasmuch as it points to the probability of a rogue element and not some over-arching nba conspiracy or collusion. it would be interesting to see the break down of numbers in called fouls and how many of them were from eric lewis in each instance of a questionable over. if, like you said, no one gives a shit about totals except gamblers, why would the nba care and risk bringing more controversy to the game with an investigation in unusally high calls by an official where it essnetially doesnt effect the outcome of the side? if anything they would see the discrepancy and look the other way for sake of avoiding further embarassment. and the officials are probably well aware of this, hence the viability of the rogue official theory. that honestly makes the most sense. you really think the nba is making money off of vegas with all the huge network contracts and sponsorships deals they got going on? thats absurd. the money they would make from fixing a total would be chicken scratch and not worth the risk compared to what they currently pull in from licensing alone. the rogue ref theory makes a lot more sense in this case.
landpanda, I agree, the league would never risk it all - its reputation, the integrity of the sport - just to make a few million each season off of some over/under fixing. If anything, I think, like you said, that they'd look to bury it, or ignore it, or deny the existence of any other Tim Donaghys. At the same time, its hard to believe that these refs, left to their own devices, would be slick enough to carry this out season after season without getting exposed. But then again, I think fix jobs like last night are few and far between.
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landpanda, I agree, the league would never risk it all - its reputation, the integrity of the sport - just to make a few million each season off of some over/under fixing. If anything, I think, like you said, that they'd look to bury it, or ignore it, or deny the existence of any other Tim Donaghys. At the same time, its hard to believe that these refs, left to their own devices, would be slick enough to carry this out season after season without getting exposed. But then again, I think fix jobs like last night are few and far between.
and another thing, when it comes to discussions of fixing conspiracies and vegas and what have you, its pretty much understood that players cant be bought off mainly due to the exorbitant amounts they get payed per year and books not being able to match that. hence the reason why people focus on refs, for good reason. but using that logic, wouldnt it make sense to put the actual fucking nba over the players in that equation. in other words, by assuming the nba could be bought off and play into this stupid scenario, by vegas mind you, arent you essentially saying that they make less than the actual players and have less power? or let me put this another way, now that i think about it youre a freaking moron. i was following your logic until you went all fucking x-files with the whole oliver stone "this is bigger than the referees" angle. yeah, sorry, youre a dipshit bator. sorry you lost. it was shady but youre really stupid.
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and another thing, when it comes to discussions of fixing conspiracies and vegas and what have you, its pretty much understood that players cant be bought off mainly due to the exorbitant amounts they get payed per year and books not being able to match that. hence the reason why people focus on refs, for good reason. but using that logic, wouldnt it make sense to put the actual fucking nba over the players in that equation. in other words, by assuming the nba could be bought off and play into this stupid scenario, by vegas mind you, arent you essentially saying that they make less than the actual players and have less power? or let me put this another way, now that i think about it youre a freaking moron. i was following your logic until you went all fucking x-files with the whole oliver stone "this is bigger than the referees" angle. yeah, sorry, youre a dipshit bator. sorry you lost. it was shady but youre really stupid.
im sorry about that bator, youre not stupid. that was uncalled for. i get tied up in my own logic sometimes. youre theory was stupid, thats all. the whole affair was shady though. i think the best explanation can be attributed to occams razor. meaning a rogue element that has his own interestes in mind and knows the current power dynamic of the nba and all its nuances ehrefore being able to do that shit and know how not to get caught. so he learned his lesson from the donaughy experience and revised it to just work totals. the end
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im sorry about that bator, youre not stupid. that was uncalled for. i get tied up in my own logic sometimes. youre theory was stupid, thats all. the whole affair was shady though. i think the best explanation can be attributed to occams razor. meaning a rogue element that has his own interestes in mind and knows the current power dynamic of the nba and all its nuances ehrefore being able to do that shit and know how not to get caught. so he learned his lesson from the donaughy experience and revised it to just work totals. the end
and another thing, when it comes to discussions of fixing conspiracies and vegas and what have you, its pretty much understood that players cant be bought off mainly due to the exorbitant amounts they get payed per year and books not being able to match that. hence the reason why people focus on refs, for good reason. but using that logic, wouldnt it make sense to put the actual fucking nba over the players in that equation. in other words, by assuming the nba could be bought off and play into this stupid scenario, by vegas mind you, arent you essentially saying that they make less than the actual players and have less power? or let me put this another way, now that i think about it youre a freaking moron. i was following your logic until you went all fucking x-files with the whole oliver stone "this is bigger than the referees" angle. yeah, sorry, youre a dipshit bator. sorry you lost. it was shady but youre really stupid.
I wrote a response to your first post that I hoped would unstupidfy me. Did you read it?
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Quote Originally Posted by landpanda:
and another thing, when it comes to discussions of fixing conspiracies and vegas and what have you, its pretty much understood that players cant be bought off mainly due to the exorbitant amounts they get payed per year and books not being able to match that. hence the reason why people focus on refs, for good reason. but using that logic, wouldnt it make sense to put the actual fucking nba over the players in that equation. in other words, by assuming the nba could be bought off and play into this stupid scenario, by vegas mind you, arent you essentially saying that they make less than the actual players and have less power? or let me put this another way, now that i think about it youre a freaking moron. i was following your logic until you went all fucking x-files with the whole oliver stone "this is bigger than the referees" angle. yeah, sorry, youre a dipshit bator. sorry you lost. it was shady but youre really stupid.
I wrote a response to your first post that I hoped would unstupidfy me. Did you read it?
i just read that as "stern and his MOM were up to no good again aye". which honestly makes this whole episode a lot more hilarious if you think about it.
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i just read that as "stern and his MOM were up to no good again aye". which honestly makes this whole episode a lot more hilarious if you think about it.
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