80 million votes

@StumpTownStu

 So the previous ten times you were either not listening or you ignore what I said because you did not like what my reasons are. I can promise you there ARE members here that did listen and do know what my reasons are because they are not closed minded and are not generalizing me.

Trump is a scuz, he was a DNC scuz when he was cheating on his wives in earlier years, he is a scuz now bilking BILLIONS off his political scamming, that has nothing to do with a vote choice. I do not connect Trump and politics because he hijacked your party and turned it into his own and that means all his cruddy qualities and division. He has no plan for pretty much everything so how could I or you connect him and politics? Trump knows golf, fast food and how to scheme people out of money, you are mistaken in trying to associate him with any solid political perspectives.

@wallstreetcappers

 Other people make plans for presidents. You know that. You say Trump has no plan, what is/was Kamala's plan. Maybe the first 10 times, I just wasn't in thread. I'm respectfully and sincerely asking because I always thought it was general knowledge that your position was based on dislike for Trump. Your response essentially says as much. If I am wrong, I come by it honestly. I really don't know.

Brother, if he has stated it 10 times then maybe you can enlighten me.

@StumpTownStu

 Why would I be reasonable and dignified when your lot has generalized and slandered me over and over and over? Your side does not listen because you associate me with a political position you disagree with AND because I call out Trump for the louse he is AND I hold the abusers of the site accountable member to member..so yeah I get it that you never paid attention to what I have said it makes complete sense. You are blind and unaware because when someone (in this case me) drones on you tune out.

That said I am QUITE reasonable and tolerant and I have repeated myself so many times because your side calls me out and mislabels me as you did here, I state and repeat to deaf ears and yet I will state it again...

I live my political and personal beliefs in my HOME, inside the walls of my home, that is where I have full control and where I live my life. Outside my walls and my home I try in earnest to think of society and the freedoms and rights of others, that which does the greatest good for SOCIETY...that means people unlike me people who I might not agree with people who might not share my religious beliefs or work ethic or approach. When I am in society I try to be safe and careful and respectful as how I interact so when I am shopping or driving or running I try to be safe and respectful and that is how I approach society and how I approach my voting decisions.

Both parties deficit spend and have since Clinton so with that as a given I choose to vote for the group that uses that spend for the least in society and that spends on programs and approaches that do the most for the least. I also support freedom of choice most exclusively so I support the rights of a female to have an abortion and if there is a reasonable purpose for a freedom I will try and support it, but not without thought and consideration.

Why does it matter my reasons? You are either looking to tear down my response AS ALWAYS or are seeking to confirm your biases and generalizations, why should I go into detail when you are not listening and when you do listen it is to try and deflect or put down or generalize? I just wasted a few minutes of life explaining again to someone in this case you who does not give two craps and is only looking for an angle to build yourself up by reducing me or looking to validate your generalizations and your narrative.

Awesome post Wall  Republican party has been taken over by career con artist and the people have spoken this is the guy they want running the country, then so be it.  All he thinks about day and night is how he can make money off other people. People in the future are gonna look back at this time in Our history and say, how was 1 person able to fool so many millions of people. 

The guy had over 4000 lawsuits before he even ran for President the first time, but i guess all of those lawsuits were just witch hunts. He caused so many construction companies to go under, cause he would always refuse to pay what he owed.  Just look at all the cities across the country that he still hasnt paid for his rallies in their cities (Was glad to see one city in new mexico tell trump to go fuck himself a few weeks ago, pay your bill you stiff) Just a few examples like this, should be enough for a person to say this guy isnt a very nice person and the reason i believe, is because half our country have his same nastiness in themselves, no matter how much they tell you they arent exactly like trump.

Congrats to all you trumpers and magas, you got your guy.  Hope it works out for all of you.  Am gonna stand by my words Trump is one of the worst human beings to ever walk on this earth.   Looks like hes gonna get out of all his criminal cases, but i still believe KARMA is gonna catch up to him soon.

And all you Trumpers mark down jan 20th 2026.  Trump said at one of his last rallies that peoples electric bills would be cut in half, within 1 year of him being in office.  Lets see if he makes that happen.

Truth is most people today have zero street smarts and just believe non sense.  Internet is the biggest reason why the population has lost street smarts.

I sure hope your boy cuts my electric bill in half, hell i would even send him a thank you card.  Remember trumps own words not mine

@cd329

@wallstreetcappers

 People following the media voted for Trump when the media was 95% negative towards that candidate? What??

@StumpTownStu

 All these years I thought you were an Independent.

In another thread, I was surprised that after the election you came out as a Trumpster.

@jpot34

 Which media was 95% negative? Not the sources your group follows. The percentage of bias is based on the source. Is Truth Social or Zero Hedge or Fox News biased? 

That comment makes me wonder if you are exaggerating for dramatic interp or if you really believe that nonsense?

It could be the covid effect and maybe voting interest has died down, but I believe mail-in voting was allowed before 2020? Might have only been a smaller % of votes, but I do believe "mail-in" has been allowed. As for the younger voters, maybe they voted blue based on pressure from their media outlets/peers and now they question that pressure and choose to not vote blue like they did 4 years ago? I would imagine the young voters can be easily pressured and we all know the dems love to apply pressure (something like "if you don't vote for me, you ain't black"- Biden)  We may never know why there's such a large discrepancy taking place, but we can speculate. Conspiracy or not, tens of millions of less votes is pretty astonishing and is it an accomplishment how they can lose so much?. Maybe if I get bored one day, I'll go check the numbers to see if this was the largest drop off in consecutive years. 

you conspiracy people just cant wait until all the votes are counted.   It must suck living life believing everything is rigged, fake news etc etc.

Interesting observation, it did pan out as you pointed out in 2018 and 2020. History oftentimes repeats itself, will it repeat? We shall see in two and four years, it could very well happen again.     

I am an independent. WSC labels me a "maga". Part of the "tnc". He knows nothing. You won't find a single post where i'm all rah rah for Trump. I prefered him to Hillary. I I prefered him to Biden. I prefer him to Harris. I agree with his stance of foreign aid. I agree with his stance onbthe border. That's it. It's that simple. I defend Trump against the bull jive. So lately, with people erroneously claiming he threatened Liz Cheney, and blew a microphone, I have been a very vocal defender. I voted for Harris. It was symbolic. We're from the same city though she was just born there. I was born and raised. My state is heavily blue. My vote was a throw away. My wife voted for Jill Stein. Again, symbolic. If I lived in a awing state, I would've voted for Trump. So that's one more you can chalk up in the popular. We both successfully voted to flip a house seat. I'm not some crazy Trumper. He's simply my choice. According to WSC though, if you simply support Trump, you're a brainwash Maga. So you're not wrong.

Also, I have a kinship with some of the conservative posters here. I have a kinship to you to though. I have a kinship with Fubah and Kelly. We used to beef hard but never about politics. We're good now. Let WSC tell it though... He insist on putting people in boxes.

Not "mail-in" as it exists now. There were absentee ballots. You had to request them. It ws mostly for old people, people away for work, etc. Servicemen. Now, at least in California and Oregon, they mail your ballot to you whether you ask for it or not.

@wallstreetcappers

 Where do you come off? You act as if we have sone history of going back and forth in this forum. Like I'm suppose to just know your stance. We don't. I don't. Just like you've been putting labels on me for weeks based on your own assumptions and misconceptions. If that's your stance, those are all things I agree with. As I have said many times, I prefer spending on on the people more that tax cuts for corporations, and on capital/realized gains. I don't agree with trickle down economic plans. However, I have zero tolerance for illegal immigration. And numbers don't lie. As much as you act as if the border is the border and nobody tackles it, that's just plain wrong. BothbObama AND Trump managed the border. Biden parted the Red Sea. The numbers support my stances. His executive actions support my stance. His own rhetoric, his words, support my stance. I'm also strongly against foreign aid. Our allies aren't are allies. They're free loaders. We essentially pay to have bases all over the world. Yes, it's strategically necessary but I don't believe in funding Ukraine's war effort. I don't believe in funding Israel's effort. Our modern wars are a farce. They exist to enrich people like the Cheney's. Trump, a guy who puts someone like Betsy Davoss in his cabinet, still has the balls to be the most anti-war President of my lifetime.

Trump in office: He's "buddies" with Putin and he's in North Korea eating exquisite pieces of cake.

Biden in office: Russia and North Korea teams up.

I prefer being friendly with the other nuclear powers, not antagonizing them. Ukraine has been a mistake on so many levels and if has Biden's finger prints all over it. I'm against uber expensive proxy wars. I'm against wars to install puppet governments. I'm against wars to prop up the military industrial complex. I'm against gawd dang 16 year old Hondurans pumping fentanyl in the streets of San Francisco. I'm tired of the fent zombies.

....  Truth !  

what's more interesting is even though every year the number of voters goes up, at no time in well over the last half century has the numbers jumped that much(2020).  In turn there hasn't been a drop off of this magnitude at least as far back as I can look.

Trumps popular vote is falling in line within the margin of error

Democratic votes fall right in line with Obama 2012, Hillary of 2016, and now Kamala in 2024.  right around mid 60 million

Biden was able to earn roughly 15 million votes that not only didn't show up on election day in 2024 but also didn't cast a mail-in ballot either.

Out of all the STILL UNCOUNTED ballots left to be counted, to think Harris could even have a 2-1 advantage over Trump is very naive.  Maybe in Cali, but elsewhere she will be lucky for an even split.  This is a gambling site so most here should know how to crunch numbers.

I don't think Kamala is done in politics either, she will at least run for the next Govenor of California.  2026 is wide open since Newsom terms will be up, which puts him in the limelight to run in 2028 for POTUS.  Just seeing how radical the left has gone recently, you know the DNC will embrace this communist with open arms and will not give two shits what their voting block has to say.  All in all, if the Left doubles down on this radical shift that's plagued their party it's going to take a bigger comeback that Trump and the republicans just managed to do in just 4 short years.

The party of Joy, and the party of Unity is breaking down every ethnic category and blaming those who didn't show up for both undeserving candidates... Joe and Kamala

Just take the Latino category, how do you even break it down?  Cubans in Florida, Mexicans in southwest, Puerto Ricans and Dominicans up around Philly and NYC.  All are Latino but to compare any to each other 

Trump won 64% Native American vote, He just appointed the first ever female Chief of Staff.  But he's a sexist, misogynist... right this is a political stunt like McDonalds

Just remember that person on the political sign in your yard does not know who you are, what your name is, doesn't care about your kids or family.  But a ton of people will stop talking to their family or lifelong friends over this political bullshit.  Would you not talk to someone over religion?  Atheists will say religion a cult, it's so wrong.  

Rant over

Good stuff    I don't like being put in a box either, this wolf needs to be able to spread his wings and fly.... 

@StumpTownStu

 So you asked a question because you were not that motivated to search my posts and find the answer and then that is your reply? Again it is like you spent 30% of your mental capacities reading what I wrote, what YOU asked for? Why do I take the time to reply to several of you when it is only a trap you are setting to retort or to take a word or two to justify your generalized conclusion?

If you sincerely ask a question and someone takes the time to answer it with some depth and detail the LEAST you can do is spend a LITTLE time giving a reasonable and respectful reply...I have no idea what your reply had to do with my message...which I made due to YOUR REQUEST.

You are quite full of yourself. No, I definitely won't be spending time to weed through weeks, months, and possibly years of anyone's posts looking for a needle in a haystack. I don't you actually read anyone's post. I said I respect your reasoning and actually agree with your stance on said positions. I don't know how much more of a dignified response you feel you deserve but given how you carry on, as someone who is supposed to be an impartial moderator, that is about as respectful a reply as I have for you. Do please enlighten me on how it was disrespectful in any way.

@wallstreetcappers

 I don't know what more you want. You took the time to answer. I appreciate it. I respect your position. I actually agree with it. On the subject of government spending/budget, that has always been my position. However, there are positions with the democratic party that prevent me from supporting them lock-step.

@StumpTownStu

 You were wandering around making non topic rhetoric and it was like you are unable to just have a conversation member to member, even the replies above this are more of the same. Why do you and your other similar pals pull the impartial mod card all the time? There is no restriction to what ANY member can post regarding politics and any topic as long as the rules are kept. My mod play is ONLY regarding what the site guidelines are, nothing else. If you dislike me being firm and not falling over when you guys try to bluster me to death well that is never going to happen and never has. Your group tries the MOD throw down and run the narrative that me being strong about your attacks and not backing down means I am not impartial...lol what a weak boring retort so many of you use.

Mod duties are that you keep the rules, what I post about politics and sports and investing and movies or music or whatever has ZERO to do with site guidelines and at some point your lot needs to figure out that you cannot bluster and bully me or any mod to bend to your perspective about politics. Its amusing seeing SEVERAL of you get annoyed with a strong discussion and have to run behind the "unfair mod" wall and try to tattle about how things are so skewed against you and that it is due to a political party or position.

@wallstreetcappers

 Everything you say is false. Show where I was making non-topic rhetoric. I dare you. You can't. You make stuff up, as if being a mod means you can speak thisstuff into existence. It's all lies though.

Amd I'll ask for easily the tenth time, who are "you guys"? What is this group you decree I belong to? Where are my attacks? You attack me far more than I have attacked you.