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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2023 - 6:57 PM ET #351

    Quote Originally Posted by nostradumbass:

    can we all just wait for wall st to explain the unarmed "INSURRECTIONS" getting a police escort thru the white house. that guy is in jail and here we have people defending liars! BUT PLEASE, lets hold him to that because he will silence me.

    You are the prime definition of a mark. There is a reason guys like Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson target you specifically. an_light

    These kinds of guys can show you a 20 second clip of anything, make up a story to push your desired ideology and you will believe anything they say. an_light Mark.

    Funny thing is that you actually you think you are enlightened by being fed lies. an_light

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    can we all just wait for wall st to explain the unarmed "INSURRECTIONS" getting a police escort thru the white house. that guy is in jail and here we have people defending liars! BUT PLEASE, lets hold him to that because he will silence me.

    You are the prime definition of a mark. There is a reason guys like Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson target you specifically. an_light

    These kinds of guys can show you a 20 second clip of anything, make up a story to push your desired ideology and you will believe anything they say. an_light Mark.

    Funny thing is that you actually you think you are enlightened by being fed lies. an_light

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2023 - 7:06 PM ET #352

    Quote Originally Posted by nostradumbass:

    can we all just wait for wall st to explain the unarmed "INSURRECTIONS" getting a police escort thru the white house. that guy is in jail and here we have people defending liars! BUT PLEASE, lets hold him to that because he will silence me.

    Secondly, do you know where the Capitol Riots actually took place? Here is a hint, it was not at The White House.

    Clear to see how you are so gullible, you do not appear to know $hit about $uck. an_lightEasy to fool people like you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostradumbass:

    can we all just wait for wall st to explain the unarmed "INSURRECTIONS" getting a police escort thru the white house. that guy is in jail and here we have people defending liars! BUT PLEASE, lets hold him to that because he will silence me.

    Secondly, do you know where the Capitol Riots actually took place? Here is a hint, it was not at The White House.

    Clear to see how you are so gullible, you do not appear to know $hit about $uck. an_lightEasy to fool people like you.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2023 - 7:15 PM ET #353

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     Since you brought up the Jan 6 Trump scam I have a question about that specifically...first to address the odd question which is off-topic, I saw plenty of tape on that event as most all of us have and it was not peaceful in my mind, there should never be an event like that on our capital where there is no protection of the premises or people there, that was like Black Friday in downtown Philly where the people were about to start killing each other if someone got in front of them in the line. Those people were directed there from Trump who was on a witch hunt to find votes and somehow steal another election. I can completely see how any security there would not want to elevate the crazy-meter any further than it was, that for sure comes in their training that you do not want to enrage crazy people because that causes even more risk and more possibilities of ba outcomes. Its similar to how a few days ago I was finishing a 5 mile run and I saw there was a bee colony in a landscaping box cover, I could see them swarming and I knew better to carefully move away from the area and avoid conflict and risk. If I were at the capital that day and saw that throng of crazy i would have exited as quietly and quickly as possible. I think perspective on the event is seen by the biases and partisan views we have. You think it was valid and justified and safe because you support Trump and his lunacy, you support him trashing innocent people, spewing lies and hate, telling people to storm the capital and take no responsibility. I do not agree with that, I think a reasonable society does not send fringe extremists to our government buildings and tell them to raise hell..I do not feel that is a reasonable way to act in society and it accomplished NOTHING.

    Ok so on that topic, when Gore got the election stolen from him, when Clinton had her popular vote stolen did they personally attack the electoral college members, did they go and sic the crazies onto the establishment? Did they seek to bring down the establishment because they lost? Maybe you are too young to remember but I was shocked at how low key Gore was, he won the popular vote and yet he did not cause a riot and spend 3 years pounding the pulpit getting lawyers to defame Bush and all the crap Trump has done. I think if you want to use the term stolen, Gore and Clinton had elections stolen but even that wacko Clinton was classier than Trump, but anyone outside of a clinical psychiatry hospital is usually classier than Trump.

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     Since you brought up the Jan 6 Trump scam I have a question about that specifically...first to address the odd question which is off-topic, I saw plenty of tape on that event as most all of us have and it was not peaceful in my mind, there should never be an event like that on our capital where there is no protection of the premises or people there, that was like Black Friday in downtown Philly where the people were about to start killing each other if someone got in front of them in the line. Those people were directed there from Trump who was on a witch hunt to find votes and somehow steal another election. I can completely see how any security there would not want to elevate the crazy-meter any further than it was, that for sure comes in their training that you do not want to enrage crazy people because that causes even more risk and more possibilities of ba outcomes. Its similar to how a few days ago I was finishing a 5 mile run and I saw there was a bee colony in a landscaping box cover, I could see them swarming and I knew better to carefully move away from the area and avoid conflict and risk. If I were at the capital that day and saw that throng of crazy i would have exited as quietly and quickly as possible. I think perspective on the event is seen by the biases and partisan views we have. You think it was valid and justified and safe because you support Trump and his lunacy, you support him trashing innocent people, spewing lies and hate, telling people to storm the capital and take no responsibility. I do not agree with that, I think a reasonable society does not send fringe extremists to our government buildings and tell them to raise hell..I do not feel that is a reasonable way to act in society and it accomplished NOTHING.

    Ok so on that topic, when Gore got the election stolen from him, when Clinton had her popular vote stolen did they personally attack the electoral college members, did they go and sic the crazies onto the establishment? Did they seek to bring down the establishment because they lost? Maybe you are too young to remember but I was shocked at how low key Gore was, he won the popular vote and yet he did not cause a riot and spend 3 years pounding the pulpit getting lawyers to defame Bush and all the crap Trump has done. I think if you want to use the term stolen, Gore and Clinton had elections stolen but even that wacko Clinton was classier than Trump, but anyone outside of a clinical psychiatry hospital is usually classier than Trump.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2023 - 7:16 PM ET #354

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Hunter is not smart enough to pull all this off, of course his pops was involved and likely has been involved all his adult life.

    Maybe the big guy just had a whoopsie and forgot about the whole deal. He was pretty clear that it was Trump that was the only one making money from Chyna. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Hunter is not smart enough to pull all this off, of course his pops was involved and likely has been involved all his adult life.

    Maybe the big guy just had a whoopsie and forgot about the whole deal. He was pretty clear that it was Trump that was the only one making money from Chyna. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2023 - 7:20 PM ET #355

    @wallstreetcappers

     So...what are your thoughts on the entire summer of riots all over blue cities? Who directed those people? Or you only care about the house of the politicians and not the hard working Americans that run businesses? 

    Do you think the Capital riots would have been the same if the entire summer wasn't spent watching animals destroy innocent peoples livelihoods and businesses? Kind of same same, no? 

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     So...what are your thoughts on the entire summer of riots all over blue cities? Who directed those people? Or you only care about the house of the politicians and not the hard working Americans that run businesses? 

    Do you think the Capital riots would have been the same if the entire summer wasn't spent watching animals destroy innocent peoples livelihoods and businesses? Kind of same same, no? 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2023 - 7:23 PM ET #356

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    Dont try and group topics to form a narrative, it comes off as fake...Ive said Biden is awful, I will keep saying Biden is awful because he is. I think the kid is not very smart, anyone that uses drugs and prostitutes is not very smart but I only have to look at Hunter and I can easily tell the kid is a spoiled dope who has relied on his dad for his entire life. I am positive in my mind that Biden has fully knowledge of his son and has personally assisted him likely his entire career. 

    Its you goofs that try and generalize me because I think Trump is destructive, toxic, abusive, disgusting, selfish and of little worth, so like Trump you attack the person and try to discredit and defame, you form a narrative which is untrue to support your partisan opinions. Me saying Biden is a schlep does not mean anything more than Biden is a schlep, me saying Trump is a creepy scuz with no morals does not mean I support Biden...take off those partisan glasses and think outside your party boundaries.

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    Dont try and group topics to form a narrative, it comes off as fake...Ive said Biden is awful, I will keep saying Biden is awful because he is. I think the kid is not very smart, anyone that uses drugs and prostitutes is not very smart but I only have to look at Hunter and I can easily tell the kid is a spoiled dope who has relied on his dad for his entire life. I am positive in my mind that Biden has fully knowledge of his son and has personally assisted him likely his entire career. 

    Its you goofs that try and generalize me because I think Trump is destructive, toxic, abusive, disgusting, selfish and of little worth, so like Trump you attack the person and try to discredit and defame, you form a narrative which is untrue to support your partisan opinions. Me saying Biden is a schlep does not mean anything more than Biden is a schlep, me saying Trump is a creepy scuz with no morals does not mean I support Biden...take off those partisan glasses and think outside your party boundaries.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2023 - 7:23 PM ET #357

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Hunter is not smart enough to pull all this off, of course his pops was involved and likely has been involved all his adult life.
    Neither one of them are Rhodes Scholars. If I had to guess, I'd say HB was approached by others & lured into biz (for favors), not knowing of ulterior motives by the "others". By the time Joe was made aware, he was already knee-deep in the hoopla. They had no other alternative but to deny everything once HB screwed up. That's my "polite" version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Hunter is not smart enough to pull all this off, of course his pops was involved and likely has been involved all his adult life.
    Neither one of them are Rhodes Scholars. If I had to guess, I'd say HB was approached by others & lured into biz (for favors), not knowing of ulterior motives by the "others". By the time Joe was made aware, he was already knee-deep in the hoopla. They had no other alternative but to deny everything once HB screwed up. That's my "polite" version.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2023 - 7:28 PM ET #358

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     The "blue" states is a partisan attempt to portray DEM leaders as the cause of every ill in society...its pretty stupid if you ask me. I dont consider the state of a society on what the gov political party is or what the leadership of the local government is. That is what your partisan party tells you to think because it forms a narrative to get YOU to vote for THEIR platform and people.

    Ive been around long enough to know Detroit has been a war zone since the US auto sector hit the skids and there is no tax base to rebuild and support..Chicago is a mess but it has been a mess a long long time. For a very long time New York was a mess, that had nothing to do with politics or what party had control. Baltimore and DC have been in a bad state a very long time but if you listen to the partisan narrative you would think this is new and based on DEMS and their policies. I do not think that society is controlled by the government or a party at all...people have choices and free will to act and think on their own, no matter what is going on with government and politics. I hear all the partisan noise and it gives me a headache, it is quite stupid and accomplishes nothing but finger pointing and vote grabbing.

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     The "blue" states is a partisan attempt to portray DEM leaders as the cause of every ill in society...its pretty stupid if you ask me. I dont consider the state of a society on what the gov political party is or what the leadership of the local government is. That is what your partisan party tells you to think because it forms a narrative to get YOU to vote for THEIR platform and people.

    Ive been around long enough to know Detroit has been a war zone since the US auto sector hit the skids and there is no tax base to rebuild and support..Chicago is a mess but it has been a mess a long long time. For a very long time New York was a mess, that had nothing to do with politics or what party had control. Baltimore and DC have been in a bad state a very long time but if you listen to the partisan narrative you would think this is new and based on DEMS and their policies. I do not think that society is controlled by the government or a party at all...people have choices and free will to act and think on their own, no matter what is going on with government and politics. I hear all the partisan noise and it gives me a headache, it is quite stupid and accomplishes nothing but finger pointing and vote grabbing.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2023 - 7:31 PM ET #359

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     Its been going on too long for Joe to not have involvement...given how long he has been surfing in politics, those around him for SURE have been aware of what the kid is doing. I think he knows and likely set him up for those opportunities. I see a spoiled drug goof who has never been required to find his way on his own and has no sense of right or wrong.

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     Its been going on too long for Joe to not have involvement...given how long he has been surfing in politics, those around him for SURE have been aware of what the kid is doing. I think he knows and likely set him up for those opportunities. I see a spoiled drug goof who has never been required to find his way on his own and has no sense of right or wrong.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2023 - 7:35 PM ET #360

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

    @wallstreetcappers  So...what are your thoughts on the entire summer of riots all over blue cities? Who directed those people? Or you only care about the house of the politicians and not the hard working Americans that run businesses?  Do you think the Capital riots would have been the same if the entire summer wasn't spent watching animals destroy innocent peoples livelihoods and businesses? Kind of same same, no?

    Pretty weak false analogy. Trying to connect those brown "animals" protesting and "rioting" in cities over issues like police brutality to crazed, partisan, Trumpers trying to overturn the will of the country in a free and fair election by attacking the Capitol Building, stopping the certification process, and threatening to hurt, kill, and hang elected officials. No it is no way the same or a justification. peace_5

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    @wallstreetcappers  So...what are your thoughts on the entire summer of riots all over blue cities? Who directed those people? Or you only care about the house of the politicians and not the hard working Americans that run businesses?  Do you think the Capital riots would have been the same if the entire summer wasn't spent watching animals destroy innocent peoples livelihoods and businesses? Kind of same same, no?

    Pretty weak false analogy. Trying to connect those brown "animals" protesting and "rioting" in cities over issues like police brutality to crazed, partisan, Trumpers trying to overturn the will of the country in a free and fair election by attacking the Capitol Building, stopping the certification process, and threatening to hurt, kill, and hang elected officials. No it is no way the same or a justification. peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2023 - 7:59 PM ET #361

    Absolutely it matters what party is in charge and what their policies are.

    That is the whole point:  Democrats have led these cities for a long time.

    So, you cannot just throw in there that they have been that way for a long time and it does not matter what party is in charge.

    The whole ‘long time’ that it has been this way these cities have been led by Democrats.  People have been noticing this for years and even hard-core Liberals admit this.

    This is from 2016 and it has only gotten way worse:

     

    A few days ago, filmmaker Michael Moore tweeted, “Flint has voted for Dems for 84 straight yrs” and wanted to know, “What did it get us?” He’s actually on to something.

     

    Detroit last elected a Republican mayor in 1957. It is now the model of urban failure -- it’s recognized more for its poverty, crime, rot and bankruptcy than the great cars that it turned out into the early 1970s. It is the poorest big city in the nation, with almost 40% of the population living below the poverty line. 

     

    Chicago’s last GOP mayor was elected in 1927. The nation’s third-largest city is home to some of the worst inner-city violence imaginable. More than 2,300 people were shot there last year, and nearly 400 lost their lives to homicides.

     

    St. Louis has been electing Democratic mayors since 1949. The Gateway to the West has become the gateway for crime. Law Street says that it’s the fourth most dangerous city in the country, Forbes says it’s the second. It had the sixth-highest poverty rate among big cities in 2014.

     

    The last GOP mayor of Philadelphia left office in 1952. A few years ago, Moore identified it as a favorite to follow Detroit into bankruptcy.

     

    Both Baltimore and Oakland had Republican mayors as late as the 1960s. In the era of Democratic rule, both are now more well known for their crime and poverty problems than for their charm and character.

     

    Newark, N.J., hasn't had a GOP mayor in more than a century. It was ranked as the fifth-worst city to live in in 2015. Detroit, of course, was first.

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    Absolutely it matters what party is in charge and what their policies are.

    That is the whole point:  Democrats have led these cities for a long time.

    So, you cannot just throw in there that they have been that way for a long time and it does not matter what party is in charge.

    The whole ‘long time’ that it has been this way these cities have been led by Democrats.  People have been noticing this for years and even hard-core Liberals admit this.

    This is from 2016 and it has only gotten way worse:

     

    A few days ago, filmmaker Michael Moore tweeted, “Flint has voted for Dems for 84 straight yrs” and wanted to know, “What did it get us?” He’s actually on to something.

     

    Detroit last elected a Republican mayor in 1957. It is now the model of urban failure -- it’s recognized more for its poverty, crime, rot and bankruptcy than the great cars that it turned out into the early 1970s. It is the poorest big city in the nation, with almost 40% of the population living below the poverty line. 

     

    Chicago’s last GOP mayor was elected in 1927. The nation’s third-largest city is home to some of the worst inner-city violence imaginable. More than 2,300 people were shot there last year, and nearly 400 lost their lives to homicides.

     

    St. Louis has been electing Democratic mayors since 1949. The Gateway to the West has become the gateway for crime. Law Street says that it’s the fourth most dangerous city in the country, Forbes says it’s the second. It had the sixth-highest poverty rate among big cities in 2014.

     

    The last GOP mayor of Philadelphia left office in 1952. A few years ago, Moore identified it as a favorite to follow Detroit into bankruptcy.

     

    Both Baltimore and Oakland had Republican mayors as late as the 1960s. In the era of Democratic rule, both are now more well known for their crime and poverty problems than for their charm and character.

     

    Newark, N.J., hasn't had a GOP mayor in more than a century. It was ranked as the fifth-worst city to live in in 2015. Detroit, of course, was first.

     
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     I dont think you understand that I am not interested in discussing politics with you. I am happy to talk to anyone on any topic when certain levels of posting exist. You are not the first there have been several before you who I also did not want to engage with for the same reasons. You stalk, you attack and take shots when the topic has nothing to do with you and you were not even in the discussion until I made a comment and bam you come in to pounce. I'd rather not interact with someone who has the true intention of making attacks, not discussion. So reply all you like but I will not engage with you given how you have decided to interact with me.

    Some of my favorite posters to discuss with often times do not agree with my perspective but they never stoop to levels of digs and attacks...so I choose to avoid your messages and it would be good if you tried to do the same.

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     I dont think you understand that I am not interested in discussing politics with you. I am happy to talk to anyone on any topic when certain levels of posting exist. You are not the first there have been several before you who I also did not want to engage with for the same reasons. You stalk, you attack and take shots when the topic has nothing to do with you and you were not even in the discussion until I made a comment and bam you come in to pounce. I'd rather not interact with someone who has the true intention of making attacks, not discussion. So reply all you like but I will not engage with you given how you have decided to interact with me.

    Some of my favorite posters to discuss with often times do not agree with my perspective but they never stoop to levels of digs and attacks...so I choose to avoid your messages and it would be good if you tried to do the same.

    peace_5

     
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    All those CRAZY people, ready to KILL!!!! an_getaway Outnumbered the security over 100 to 1!!!

    How many people actually murdered??  1 A 5' 2" woman shot dead on her hands and knees.

    an_blowhornYou saw a Hollywood production of Jan 6th. And yes some idiots got ugly and I agree, assault a cop, go to jail. But even the word insurrection is as cheap as the two bullshit impeachments. 

    Then you get four Capitol Police killing themselves weeks later.  WTF??? WHY? Were they that unstable? Doesn't this seem a bit odd? FOUR!!??

    And the pipebombs? Forget about it? Ray Epps encourging a crowd the night before to ENTER THE CAPITOL. You don't question that? What intelligent human doesn't question why Ray Epps says that and then gets a handshake from Democrats??? "Those people were directed there by Trump". Did Trump say what Epps said? Who was directing the people to breach the Capitol? It's all on tape. 

    No, you selectivley chose what information to process. Ray Epps, pipebombs, suicides, in one ear out the other. 

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    All those CRAZY people, ready to KILL!!!! an_getaway Outnumbered the security over 100 to 1!!!

    How many people actually murdered??  1 A 5' 2" woman shot dead on her hands and knees.

    an_blowhornYou saw a Hollywood production of Jan 6th. And yes some idiots got ugly and I agree, assault a cop, go to jail. But even the word insurrection is as cheap as the two bullshit impeachments. 

    Then you get four Capitol Police killing themselves weeks later.  WTF??? WHY? Were they that unstable? Doesn't this seem a bit odd? FOUR!!??

    And the pipebombs? Forget about it? Ray Epps encourging a crowd the night before to ENTER THE CAPITOL. You don't question that? What intelligent human doesn't question why Ray Epps says that and then gets a handshake from Democrats??? "Those people were directed there by Trump". Did Trump say what Epps said? Who was directing the people to breach the Capitol? It's all on tape. 

    No, you selectivley chose what information to process. Ray Epps, pipebombs, suicides, in one ear out the other. 

     
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    I can see absolutely no DIG or ATTACK in Raiders post. Looks like facts.

     

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    I can see absolutely no DIG or ATTACK in Raiders post. Looks like facts.

     

     
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     You didnt answer my questions...shock.

    As I gave an example, of course the capital police did not want a soccer game in Ireland incident where people are punching and stabbing each other when riled up, the best scenario was to keep the crazies as low key as possible and NOT kick the hornets nest. I dont know of a Hollywood movie version of this, I saw 20 minutes or so of a large group of people who were told to go and occupy the capital because Trump instructed them and if I were there I would have quietly and quickly left, I am the kind of person who likes to avoid risk and bad scenarios if possible and I would not have hung around there with the lunatics running rampant being charged up and enraged as many were. This was not a fireworks on the 4th hang out and look over the capital, this was a segment of the GOP party who is unstable and harasses people that Trump targets and who are not people I would want to be hobnobbing with on a Sunday afternoon.

    So did Gore and Clinton tell their partisan pals to go and wreck the capital or that certain public people were responsible for election theft? I do not recall seeing either making personal unfounded witch hunt attacks, but both are of much higher class than Trump.

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     You didnt answer my questions...shock.

    As I gave an example, of course the capital police did not want a soccer game in Ireland incident where people are punching and stabbing each other when riled up, the best scenario was to keep the crazies as low key as possible and NOT kick the hornets nest. I dont know of a Hollywood movie version of this, I saw 20 minutes or so of a large group of people who were told to go and occupy the capital because Trump instructed them and if I were there I would have quietly and quickly left, I am the kind of person who likes to avoid risk and bad scenarios if possible and I would not have hung around there with the lunatics running rampant being charged up and enraged as many were. This was not a fireworks on the 4th hang out and look over the capital, this was a segment of the GOP party who is unstable and harasses people that Trump targets and who are not people I would want to be hobnobbing with on a Sunday afternoon.

    So did Gore and Clinton tell their partisan pals to go and wreck the capital or that certain public people were responsible for election theft? I do not recall seeing either making personal unfounded witch hunt attacks, but both are of much higher class than Trump.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @Raiders22  I dont think you understand that I am not interested in discussing politics with you. I am happy to talk to anyone on any topic when certain levels of posting exist. You are not the first there have been several before you who I also did not want to engage with for the same reasons. You stalk, you attack and take shots when the topic has nothing to do with you and you were not even in the discussion until I made a comment and bam you come in to pounce. I'd rather not interact with someone who has the true intention of making attacks, not discussion. So reply all you like but I will not engage with you given how you have decided to interact with me. Some of my favorite posters to discuss with often times do not agree with my perspective but they never stoop to levels of digs and attacks...so I choose to avoid your messages and it would be good if you tried to do the same.

    No sir.  I just do not like bad information from folks.  You can easily look this stuff up.

    Just because you do not want it to be true -- does not matter.

    By the way, it is not just politics, this is true in all discussions.  It is not 'digs and attacks'.  When you try to use 'facts' to make a very big point in your argument it can be expected to be disputed.

    This is what makes a discussion.  Not just throwing stuff out there and expecting the other side to assume it is correct. 

    The topic has a lot to do with me.  I like the subject and know it better than you, apparently, do.  These are things I talk and write about and have studied.

    It is an open forum and anyone that abides 'by the rules' should be able to comment.

    I am never derisive to you or anyone else.  You may choose not to like that I respond and you can be like the cheerleaders and not respond.

    But if you bring up a subject to discuss that anyone on here feels like chiming in on, they should be able to.  I mean look at you; you popped right in her to get involved.  The guy did not ask specifically for you to reply at the start of this thread.

    It is not stalking, I respond to a variety of folks and topics on here and always respectfully, whether you take it that way or not.

    Whether you like it or not, I do like discussing things with you.  You have opinions and some good points.  I especially like the ones I disagree with.  I do not have time to just cheer every time I do agree with something you say, as I do not reply to most folks I usually agree with all the time.

    I much prefer to discuss things with someone that I disagree with that has some valid points.  I simply want them to be able to competently defend them is all.

    So, it may seem antagonistic because I only usually only chime in when I disagree; but I do agree sometimes.  This was just not one of those times.

    So, you should not take it the wrong way.

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    @Raiders22  I dont think you understand that I am not interested in discussing politics with you. I am happy to talk to anyone on any topic when certain levels of posting exist. You are not the first there have been several before you who I also did not want to engage with for the same reasons. You stalk, you attack and take shots when the topic has nothing to do with you and you were not even in the discussion until I made a comment and bam you come in to pounce. I'd rather not interact with someone who has the true intention of making attacks, not discussion. So reply all you like but I will not engage with you given how you have decided to interact with me. Some of my favorite posters to discuss with often times do not agree with my perspective but they never stoop to levels of digs and attacks...so I choose to avoid your messages and it would be good if you tried to do the same.

    No sir.  I just do not like bad information from folks.  You can easily look this stuff up.

    Just because you do not want it to be true -- does not matter.

    By the way, it is not just politics, this is true in all discussions.  It is not 'digs and attacks'.  When you try to use 'facts' to make a very big point in your argument it can be expected to be disputed.

    This is what makes a discussion.  Not just throwing stuff out there and expecting the other side to assume it is correct. 

    The topic has a lot to do with me.  I like the subject and know it better than you, apparently, do.  These are things I talk and write about and have studied.

    It is an open forum and anyone that abides 'by the rules' should be able to comment.

    I am never derisive to you or anyone else.  You may choose not to like that I respond and you can be like the cheerleaders and not respond.

    But if you bring up a subject to discuss that anyone on here feels like chiming in on, they should be able to.  I mean look at you; you popped right in her to get involved.  The guy did not ask specifically for you to reply at the start of this thread.

    It is not stalking, I respond to a variety of folks and topics on here and always respectfully, whether you take it that way or not.

    Whether you like it or not, I do like discussing things with you.  You have opinions and some good points.  I especially like the ones I disagree with.  I do not have time to just cheer every time I do agree with something you say, as I do not reply to most folks I usually agree with all the time.

    I much prefer to discuss things with someone that I disagree with that has some valid points.  I simply want them to be able to competently defend them is all.

    So, it may seem antagonistic because I only usually only chime in when I disagree; but I do agree sometimes.  This was just not one of those times.

    So, you should not take it the wrong way.

    peace_5

     
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     Would you like to discuss the cities that could have been filed as zoos during the summer of 2020 and then discuss what party has the upper hand in those cities as far as voting goes?

     

    I do not think that society is controlled by the government or a party at all fair. But do you think the gov't can attempt to control society by their policies and actions? Like enforcing, or not enforcing laws? If there are no consequences for actions, will people think twice about their actions?

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     Would you like to discuss the cities that could have been filed as zoos during the summer of 2020 and then discuss what party has the upper hand in those cities as far as voting goes?

     

    I do not think that society is controlled by the government or a party at all fair. But do you think the gov't can attempt to control society by their policies and actions? Like enforcing, or not enforcing laws? If there are no consequences for actions, will people think twice about their actions?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    All those CRAZY people, ready to KILL!!!!  Outnumbered the security over 100 to 1!!! How many people actually murdered??  1 A 5' 2" woman shot dead on her hands and knees. You saw a Hollywood production of Jan 6th. And yes some idiots got ugly and I agree, assault a cop, go to jail. But even the word insurrection is as cheap as the two bullshit impeachments.  Then you get four Capitol Police killing themselves weeks later.  WTF??? WHY? Were they that unstable? Doesn't this seem a bit odd? FOUR!!?? And the pipebombs? Forget about it? Ray Epps encourging a crowd the night before to ENTER THE CAPITOL. You don't question that? What intelligent human doesn't question why Ray Epps says that and then gets a handshake from Democrats??? "Those people were directed there by Trump". Did Trump say what Epps said? Who was directing the people to breach the Capitol? It's all on tape.  No, you selectivley chose what information to process. Ray Epps, pipebombs, suicides, in one ear out the other.

    How many people combined were murdered during the so called waves of BLM riots in Democratic cities you speak of by those brown animals? Aside from those killed by Rittenhouse?? an_light

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    All those CRAZY people, ready to KILL!!!!  Outnumbered the security over 100 to 1!!! How many people actually murdered??  1 A 5' 2" woman shot dead on her hands and knees. You saw a Hollywood production of Jan 6th. And yes some idiots got ugly and I agree, assault a cop, go to jail. But even the word insurrection is as cheap as the two bullshit impeachments.  Then you get four Capitol Police killing themselves weeks later.  WTF??? WHY? Were they that unstable? Doesn't this seem a bit odd? FOUR!!?? And the pipebombs? Forget about it? Ray Epps encourging a crowd the night before to ENTER THE CAPITOL. You don't question that? What intelligent human doesn't question why Ray Epps says that and then gets a handshake from Democrats??? "Those people were directed there by Trump". Did Trump say what Epps said? Who was directing the people to breach the Capitol? It's all on tape.  No, you selectivley chose what information to process. Ray Epps, pipebombs, suicides, in one ear out the other.

    How many people combined were murdered during the so called waves of BLM riots in Democratic cities you speak of by those brown animals? Aside from those killed by Rittenhouse?? an_light

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    Absolutely it matters what party is in charge and what their policies are. That is the whole point:  Democrats have led these cities for a long time. So, you cannot just throw in there that they have been that way for a long time and it does not matter what party is in charge. The whole ‘long time’ that it has been this way these cities have been led by Democrats.  People have been noticing this for years and even hard-core Liberals admit this. This is from 2016 and it has only gotten way worse:   A few days ago, filmmaker Michael Moore tweeted, “Flint has voted for Dems for 84 straight yrs” and wanted to know, “What did it get us?” He’s actually on to something.   Detroit last elected a Republican mayor in 1957. It is now the model of urban failure -- it’s recognized more for its poverty, crime, rot and bankruptcy than the great cars that it turned out into the early 1970s. It is the poorest big city in the nation, with almost 40% of the population living below the poverty line.    Chicago’s last GOP mayor was elected in 1927. The nation’s third-largest city is home to some of the worst inner-city violence imaginable. More than 2,300 people were shot there last year, and nearly 400 lost their lives to homicides.   St. Louis has been electing Democratic mayors since 1949. The Gateway to the West has become the gateway for crime. Law Street says that it’s the fourth most dangerous city in the country, Forbes says it’s the second. It had the sixth-highest poverty rate among big cities in 2014.   The last GOP mayor of Philadelphia left office in 1952. A few years ago, Moore identified it as a favorite to follow Detroit into bankruptcy.   Both Baltimore and Oakland had Republican mayors as late as the 1960s. In the era of Democratic rule, both are now more well known for their crime and poverty problems than for their charm and character.   Newark, N.J., hasn't had a GOP mayor in more than a century. It was ranked as the fifth-worst city to live in in 2015. Detroit, of course, was first.

    I'll be your huckleberry....

    But I'll start with I totally agree that cities in America regardless of partisan leadership are sesspools and anyone who lives in one has my utmost empathy.....

     

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    Absolutely it matters what party is in charge and what their policies are. That is the whole point:  Democrats have led these cities for a long time. So, you cannot just throw in there that they have been that way for a long time and it does not matter what party is in charge. The whole ‘long time’ that it has been this way these cities have been led by Democrats.  People have been noticing this for years and even hard-core Liberals admit this. This is from 2016 and it has only gotten way worse:   A few days ago, filmmaker Michael Moore tweeted, “Flint has voted for Dems for 84 straight yrs” and wanted to know, “What did it get us?” He’s actually on to something.   Detroit last elected a Republican mayor in 1957. It is now the model of urban failure -- it’s recognized more for its poverty, crime, rot and bankruptcy than the great cars that it turned out into the early 1970s. It is the poorest big city in the nation, with almost 40% of the population living below the poverty line.    Chicago’s last GOP mayor was elected in 1927. The nation’s third-largest city is home to some of the worst inner-city violence imaginable. More than 2,300 people were shot there last year, and nearly 400 lost their lives to homicides.   St. Louis has been electing Democratic mayors since 1949. The Gateway to the West has become the gateway for crime. Law Street says that it’s the fourth most dangerous city in the country, Forbes says it’s the second. It had the sixth-highest poverty rate among big cities in 2014.   The last GOP mayor of Philadelphia left office in 1952. A few years ago, Moore identified it as a favorite to follow Detroit into bankruptcy.   Both Baltimore and Oakland had Republican mayors as late as the 1960s. In the era of Democratic rule, both are now more well known for their crime and poverty problems than for their charm and character.   Newark, N.J., hasn't had a GOP mayor in more than a century. It was ranked as the fifth-worst city to live in in 2015. Detroit, of course, was first.

    I'll be your huckleberry....

    But I'll start with I totally agree that cities in America regardless of partisan leadership are sesspools and anyone who lives in one has my utmost empathy.....

     

     
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    As for Joe  Biden covering for his son....

    It's called family loyally. No he is not Beau, 

    But he is his son....

     

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    It's called family loyally. No he is not Beau, 

    But he is his son....

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: @wallstreetcappers  So...what are your thoughts on the entire summer of riots all over blue cities? Who directed those people? Or you only care about the house of the politicians and not the hard working Americans that run businesses?  Do you think the Capital riots would have been the same if the entire summer wasn't spent watching animals destroy innocent peoples livelihoods and businesses? Kind of same same, no? Pretty weak false analogy. Trying to connect those brown "animals" protesting and "rioting" in cities over issues like police brutality to crazed, partisan, Trumpers trying to overturn the will of the country in a free and fair election by attacking the Capitol Building, stopping the certification process, and threatening to hurt, kill, and hang elected officials. No it is no way the same or a justification.

     

     

    rightttt, looting, burning businesses, setting fires and looting still to this day in what is considered liberal cities is the right way to protest police brutality. Gotcha. Pretty sure I'm still seeing the looting in businesses in liberal (yes W.S.C, I can say that, because it's true. It's not partisan BS) happening today. Was this situation as bad before 2020 hit? Maybe, maybe not. But IT IS allowed today. How would you feel if you put your life savings into a business, only to have someone come steal your stuff and there was nothing you can do about it? Would ya feel good?

    Trying to connect those brown "animals" protesting and "rioting" Lets try to not be so racist, ummkayyyy?

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: @wallstreetcappers  So...what are your thoughts on the entire summer of riots all over blue cities? Who directed those people? Or you only care about the house of the politicians and not the hard working Americans that run businesses?  Do you think the Capital riots would have been the same if the entire summer wasn't spent watching animals destroy innocent peoples livelihoods and businesses? Kind of same same, no? Pretty weak false analogy. Trying to connect those brown "animals" protesting and "rioting" in cities over issues like police brutality to crazed, partisan, Trumpers trying to overturn the will of the country in a free and fair election by attacking the Capitol Building, stopping the certification process, and threatening to hurt, kill, and hang elected officials. No it is no way the same or a justification.

     

     

    rightttt, looting, burning businesses, setting fires and looting still to this day in what is considered liberal cities is the right way to protest police brutality. Gotcha. Pretty sure I'm still seeing the looting in businesses in liberal (yes W.S.C, I can say that, because it's true. It's not partisan BS) happening today. Was this situation as bad before 2020 hit? Maybe, maybe not. But IT IS allowed today. How would you feel if you put your life savings into a business, only to have someone come steal your stuff and there was nothing you can do about it? Would ya feel good?

    Trying to connect those brown "animals" protesting and "rioting" Lets try to not be so racist, ummkayyyy?

     

     
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    The partisan party blame game is a ploy to get votes, that is how I see it. I think the issues is more of poverty and people just acting badly. I lived in St.Louis a long while ago and the city is about the same now as when I lived there, the issues are likely the same now as they were then and the city has some horrible areas and some great areas, the difference to me is tax base, income levels and demographics. Areas like East St.Louis are the ones which get tossed in as worst in the country, but unless you lived there you would not know the full story about why. That area has no infrastructure has a drug and poverty problem and has for probably 100 years, it has nothing to do with what party is in control. If you were to put in GOP across the board that would not change the issues with tax base, lack of income and drug issues, that does not get turned on or off by a partisan switch.

    Human nature is why things are as they are...people lack motivation and make excuses for their position in life, they make bad choices and those bad choices lead to more bad choices and then you are stuck. I also spent several years in one of the areas in Philly which are considered high crime and high drug use, the same exact template exists there...the tax base is gone the area is in total disrepair and decline and people living there have no income or wealth and often make choices to survive which are bad for society. I could also add that an example of that exists in many towns outside of metro areas...for example Reading PA, I know that area well, it also is in severe decline when the textile industry went under and jobs were gone, it has nothing to do with partisan party or politics it has to do with a lack of tax base, lack of income and people who feel they have no choice but to make bad decisions to survive.

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    The partisan party blame game is a ploy to get votes, that is how I see it. I think the issues is more of poverty and people just acting badly. I lived in St.Louis a long while ago and the city is about the same now as when I lived there, the issues are likely the same now as they were then and the city has some horrible areas and some great areas, the difference to me is tax base, income levels and demographics. Areas like East St.Louis are the ones which get tossed in as worst in the country, but unless you lived there you would not know the full story about why. That area has no infrastructure has a drug and poverty problem and has for probably 100 years, it has nothing to do with what party is in control. If you were to put in GOP across the board that would not change the issues with tax base, lack of income and drug issues, that does not get turned on or off by a partisan switch.

    Human nature is why things are as they are...people lack motivation and make excuses for their position in life, they make bad choices and those bad choices lead to more bad choices and then you are stuck. I also spent several years in one of the areas in Philly which are considered high crime and high drug use, the same exact template exists there...the tax base is gone the area is in total disrepair and decline and people living there have no income or wealth and often make choices to survive which are bad for society. I could also add that an example of that exists in many towns outside of metro areas...for example Reading PA, I know that area well, it also is in severe decline when the textile industry went under and jobs were gone, it has nothing to do with partisan party or politics it has to do with a lack of tax base, lack of income and people who feel they have no choice but to make bad decisions to survive.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

    rightttt, looting, burning businesses, setting fires and looting still to this day in what is considered liberal cities is the right way to protest police brutality. Gotcha. Pretty sure I'm still seeing the looting in businesses in liberal (yes W.S.C, I can say that, because it's true. It's not partisan BS) happening today. Was this situation as bad before 2020 hit? Maybe, maybe not. But IT IS allowed today. How would you feel if you out your life savings into a business, only to have someone come steal your stuff and there was nothing you can do about it? Would ya feel good? Trying to connect those brown "animals" protesting and "rioting" Lets try to not be so racist, ummkayyyy?

     

    Never said that, yet same could said about January 6th. So rioting, looting, pepper spraying and attacking cops, and breaking windows and breaking into the Capitol Building is the right way to voice your frustration with the results of an election? See I can do that too. I do not condone looting or rioting. But be honest about it, that was not all of the BLM protestors like you partisan Trumpers try to make it out to be. an_light Again, how many people across the waves of so called riots in Dem cities were killed by protestors? Not counting Kyle Rittenhouse' confirmed kills. 

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    rightttt, looting, burning businesses, setting fires and looting still to this day in what is considered liberal cities is the right way to protest police brutality. Gotcha. Pretty sure I'm still seeing the looting in businesses in liberal (yes W.S.C, I can say that, because it's true. It's not partisan BS) happening today. Was this situation as bad before 2020 hit? Maybe, maybe not. But IT IS allowed today. How would you feel if you out your life savings into a business, only to have someone come steal your stuff and there was nothing you can do about it? Would ya feel good? Trying to connect those brown "animals" protesting and "rioting" Lets try to not be so racist, ummkayyyy?

     

    Never said that, yet same could said about January 6th. So rioting, looting, pepper spraying and attacking cops, and breaking windows and breaking into the Capitol Building is the right way to voice your frustration with the results of an election? See I can do that too. I do not condone looting or rioting. But be honest about it, that was not all of the BLM protestors like you partisan Trumpers try to make it out to be. an_light Again, how many people across the waves of so called riots in Dem cities were killed by protestors? Not counting Kyle Rittenhouse' confirmed kills. 

     
     
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    Would you say the people who entered the Capital were the same as the people that physically destroyed cities during their "protests"? 

    Would you say the people who did not enter the Capital and the BLM protestors could be considered the same?

     

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