The Gore vs Trump comparison is the most stark and realistic, Gore had the popular vote and due to this stupid electoral college lost it. I dont see how we can allow a election system that one can cancel another, that the popular vote could be nullified because of electoral zoning scheming that goes on. I think the only situation where the electoral college should cancel out the popular is if there is more of a statistical minimum requirement similar to overturning a POTUS veto, that the threshold has to be more than a simple majority.
Gore was and is a statesman and solid class where Trump is a disgusting selfish pig who has no feeling of responsibility or respect for the position, especially when he loses. Trump is a temper tantrum selfish baby loser.
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The Gore vs Trump comparison is the most stark and realistic, Gore had the popular vote and due to this stupid electoral college lost it. I dont see how we can allow a election system that one can cancel another, that the popular vote could be nullified because of electoral zoning scheming that goes on. I think the only situation where the electoral college should cancel out the popular is if there is more of a statistical minimum requirement similar to overturning a POTUS veto, that the threshold has to be more than a simple majority.
Gore was and is a statesman and solid class where Trump is a disgusting selfish pig who has no feeling of responsibility or respect for the position, especially when he loses. Trump is a temper tantrum selfish baby loser.
The Gore vs Trump comparison is the most stark and realistic, Gore had the popular vote and due to this stupid electoral college lost it. I dont see how we can allow a election system that one can cancel another, that the popular vote could be nullified because of electoral zoning scheming that goes on. I think the only situation where the electoral college should cancel out the popular is if there is more of a statistical minimum requirement similar to overturning a POTUS veto, that the threshold has to be more than a simple majority. Gore was and is a statesman and solid class where Trump is a disgusting selfish pig who has no feeling of responsibility or respect for the position, especially when he loses. Trump is a temper tantrum selfish baby loser.
@wallstreetcappers
100% spot on ,wally
but we still want him to win the gop primaries !
"I'm the MOST HONEST HUMAN BEING that God has EVER created!!" - Donald Trump
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
The Gore vs Trump comparison is the most stark and realistic, Gore had the popular vote and due to this stupid electoral college lost it. I dont see how we can allow a election system that one can cancel another, that the popular vote could be nullified because of electoral zoning scheming that goes on. I think the only situation where the electoral college should cancel out the popular is if there is more of a statistical minimum requirement similar to overturning a POTUS veto, that the threshold has to be more than a simple majority. Gore was and is a statesman and solid class where Trump is a disgusting selfish pig who has no feeling of responsibility or respect for the position, especially when he loses. Trump is a temper tantrum selfish baby loser.
@THEMUGG We hit what 115 today, I dont see the portly Trump sweating it out in Tucson for a photo opp in August, but what do I know.
"But, but, but Trump!"
What is the point of Biden going to the Grand Canyon & calling it the 9th wonder of the world? He's the POTUS........but he sure doesn't act like one. He is a coward.
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@THEMUGG We hit what 115 today, I dont see the portly Trump sweating it out in Tucson for a photo opp in August, but what do I know.
"But, but, but Trump!"
What is the point of Biden going to the Grand Canyon & calling it the 9th wonder of the world? He's the POTUS........but he sure doesn't act like one. He is a coward.
So you GOP boys plan is to wall the whole thing and then poof its all good? Come on that is so absurd of a concept and it is not a solution. If you want to stop the border you have to spend a crap ton of dough every single year with detailed staffing, intel and inside info because the other side is 10x more financially incentivized than the USG and citizens are to make it across.
Reality is we have never as a country spanning 100 years really been interested in securing the border and that is because it is financially and physically impossible.
But hey another Biden dig in the books, so its all good for you guys...
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@scooby-doos
So you GOP boys plan is to wall the whole thing and then poof its all good? Come on that is so absurd of a concept and it is not a solution. If you want to stop the border you have to spend a crap ton of dough every single year with detailed staffing, intel and inside info because the other side is 10x more financially incentivized than the USG and citizens are to make it across.
Reality is we have never as a country spanning 100 years really been interested in securing the border and that is because it is financially and physically impossible.
But hey another Biden dig in the books, so its all good for you guys...
Wall, first off not my boy... the wall, yes absurd.. however this administration has done nothing but only encourage it. Illegals , criminals, have more rights than actual law abiding citizens, and that seems to be ok for the lefties. Over in Europe, I learned a lot from them. 1 thing (and this might hurt some ), msm reporting is completely opposite of truth. Which already we knew but to this extent. They only like biden cause they know he is weak , greedy, and easy to control... more importantly he will use us taxpayer dollars to pay the world's bills. We need new blood cause we are free falling ....
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Wall, first off not my boy... the wall, yes absurd.. however this administration has done nothing but only encourage it. Illegals , criminals, have more rights than actual law abiding citizens, and that seems to be ok for the lefties. Over in Europe, I learned a lot from them. 1 thing (and this might hurt some ), msm reporting is completely opposite of truth. Which already we knew but to this extent. They only like biden cause they know he is weak , greedy, and easy to control... more importantly he will use us taxpayer dollars to pay the world's bills. We need new blood cause we are free falling ....
What does the Biden is a dope comment have to do with your original reply? Biden hasnt gone to the border, cartels coming across...thanks for the repeated obvious Biden dig but which GOP president or congress had a REAL solution to the border? Trump didnt...his half wit plan was a fraud and even if you wall the ENTIRE thing that is not a solution, that is painting water color on your house because it needs a paint job.
We are not motivated to even put a minor dent into the border issue, in reality that is one of the only downsides to the US, we got away from Europe but have a massive open impossible border with the south.
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@scooby-doos
What does the Biden is a dope comment have to do with your original reply? Biden hasnt gone to the border, cartels coming across...thanks for the repeated obvious Biden dig but which GOP president or congress had a REAL solution to the border? Trump didnt...his half wit plan was a fraud and even if you wall the ENTIRE thing that is not a solution, that is painting water color on your house because it needs a paint job.
We are not motivated to even put a minor dent into the border issue, in reality that is one of the only downsides to the US, we got away from Europe but have a massive open impossible border with the south.
First of all, you have to acknowledge that the problem has gotten worse, which Mayorkas, Biden, & the rest of the dems won't do. They avoid the issue altogether, which tells us they have no plan to slow the flood. Their answer is to threaten to sue those that do.
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@wallstreetcappers
First of all, you have to acknowledge that the problem has gotten worse, which Mayorkas, Biden, & the rest of the dems won't do. They avoid the issue altogether, which tells us they have no plan to slow the flood. Their answer is to threaten to sue those that do.
@scooby-doos So you GOP boys plan is to wall the whole thing and then poof its all good? Come on that is so absurd of a concept and it is not a solution. If you want to stop the border you have to spend a crap ton of dough every single year with detailed staffing, intel and inside info because the other side is 10x more financially incentivized than the USG and citizens are to make it across. Reality is we have never as a country spanning 100 years really been interested in securing the border and that is because it is financially and physically impossible. But hey another Biden dig in the books, so its all good for you guys...
I would love for people to start thinking "out of the box" for once. To say it is physically impossible is disingenuous.
How about building the Wall "AND" using drones with thermal imaging to detect human movement on the most susceptible parts of the wall. The technology "IS" there. The will of the Biden Administration to do it "IS NOT."
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
@scooby-doos So you GOP boys plan is to wall the whole thing and then poof its all good? Come on that is so absurd of a concept and it is not a solution. If you want to stop the border you have to spend a crap ton of dough every single year with detailed staffing, intel and inside info because the other side is 10x more financially incentivized than the USG and citizens are to make it across. Reality is we have never as a country spanning 100 years really been interested in securing the border and that is because it is financially and physically impossible. But hey another Biden dig in the books, so its all good for you guys...
I would love for people to start thinking "out of the box" for once. To say it is physically impossible is disingenuous.
How about building the Wall "AND" using drones with thermal imaging to detect human movement on the most susceptible parts of the wall. The technology "IS" there. The will of the Biden Administration to do it "IS NOT."
Nah, the best example you can even REMOTELY compare it to is the great wall of China...at the time it was made that sucker was so far above and beyond what was needed that it served its purpose.
Wall and drones is not even close to enough, the expanse of distance makes that impossible because even if you have a drone in the reasonable vicinity you have to get to the location in time to take action...and that takes boots on the ground every day all day no matter what. We do not have the resources or capital to even get CLOSE to what might make an impact..notice I said make an impact, that isnt even enough to consider being in front of the problem.
The other side has an exponentially greater motivation than we do financially, you have to be exponentially MORE than they are, that aint happening and has never happened. Blame Clinton or Biden or Obama or JFK or whatever other DEM you want, thats just reality. We could spend a T on that sucker every single year and not stop the problem.
Mugg you are from here, you see the local news and you see the expanse and the territory in question and the conditions and lack of access...you more than anyone knows what a total political dividing joke the whole thing is.
Wise up you guys...its a partisan toy they dangle and you bite at it and they win, we lose.
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@Rush51
Nah, the best example you can even REMOTELY compare it to is the great wall of China...at the time it was made that sucker was so far above and beyond what was needed that it served its purpose.
Wall and drones is not even close to enough, the expanse of distance makes that impossible because even if you have a drone in the reasonable vicinity you have to get to the location in time to take action...and that takes boots on the ground every day all day no matter what. We do not have the resources or capital to even get CLOSE to what might make an impact..notice I said make an impact, that isnt even enough to consider being in front of the problem.
The other side has an exponentially greater motivation than we do financially, you have to be exponentially MORE than they are, that aint happening and has never happened. Blame Clinton or Biden or Obama or JFK or whatever other DEM you want, thats just reality. We could spend a T on that sucker every single year and not stop the problem.
Mugg you are from here, you see the local news and you see the expanse and the territory in question and the conditions and lack of access...you more than anyone knows what a total political dividing joke the whole thing is.
Wise up you guys...its a partisan toy they dangle and you bite at it and they win, we lose.
@scooby-doos So you GOP boys plan is to wall the whole thing and then poof its all good? Come on that is so absurd of a concept and it is not a solution. If you want to stop the border you have to spend a crap ton of dough every single year with detailed staffing, intel and inside info because the other side is 10x more financially incentivized than the USG and citizens are to make it across. Reality is we have never as a country spanning 100 years really been interested in securing the border and that is because it is financially and physically impossible. But hey another Biden dig in the books, so its all good for you guys...
3 words on how to protect the boarder....Armed Robot Dogs. You heard it here first.
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
@scooby-doos So you GOP boys plan is to wall the whole thing and then poof its all good? Come on that is so absurd of a concept and it is not a solution. If you want to stop the border you have to spend a crap ton of dough every single year with detailed staffing, intel and inside info because the other side is 10x more financially incentivized than the USG and citizens are to make it across. Reality is we have never as a country spanning 100 years really been interested in securing the border and that is because it is financially and physically impossible. But hey another Biden dig in the books, so its all good for you guys...
3 words on how to protect the boarder....Armed Robot Dogs. You heard it here first.
Well you are going to need like 50000 of them, this is thousands of miles we are talking here. And I guess we dont care much about the constitution which would swat that concept like a cockroach.
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@BigGame90
Well you are going to need like 50000 of them, this is thousands of miles we are talking here. And I guess we dont care much about the constitution which would swat that concept like a cockroach.
Ok so again you say Biden bad guy, got that in spades from your posts...what is the solution and how much does it cost every single year? Answer starts with a T btw..it has absolutely nothing to do with Biden, this country does not have the financial resources and manpower to take on the border and the financial incentives the other side has. A wall does zippo outside a few miles near a highly populated zone, outside that it means zero..so you cant throw out a Trump-ism and say wall wall wall, it means nothing, it just changes the variables to the other side. A wall is a massive waste of money without the infrastructure and DAILY high tech, heavy manpower enforcement...it cant and wont happen.
Do you want to double your taxes so we can waste money on the border?
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@scooby-doos
Ok so again you say Biden bad guy, got that in spades from your posts...what is the solution and how much does it cost every single year? Answer starts with a T btw..it has absolutely nothing to do with Biden, this country does not have the financial resources and manpower to take on the border and the financial incentives the other side has. A wall does zippo outside a few miles near a highly populated zone, outside that it means zero..so you cant throw out a Trump-ism and say wall wall wall, it means nothing, it just changes the variables to the other side. A wall is a massive waste of money without the infrastructure and DAILY high tech, heavy manpower enforcement...it cant and wont happen.
Do you want to double your taxes so we can waste money on the border?
@scooby-doos Ok so again you say Biden bad guy, got that in spades from your posts...what is the solution and how much does it cost every single year? Answer starts with a T btw..it has absolutely nothing to do with Biden, this country does not have the financial resources and manpower to take on the border and the financial incentives the other side has. A wall does zippo outside a few miles near a highly populated zone, outside that it means zero..so you cant throw out a Trump-ism and say wall wall wall, it means nothing, it just changes the variables to the other side. A wall is a massive waste of money without the infrastructure and DAILY high tech, heavy manpower enforcement...it cant and wont happen. Do you want to double your taxes so we can waste money on the border?
Come on Wallstreet. You know Scooby is not here for facts or solutions, only the partisan Biden and Dem blame game. That is 100% of his posts, no real substance.
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
@scooby-doos Ok so again you say Biden bad guy, got that in spades from your posts...what is the solution and how much does it cost every single year? Answer starts with a T btw..it has absolutely nothing to do with Biden, this country does not have the financial resources and manpower to take on the border and the financial incentives the other side has. A wall does zippo outside a few miles near a highly populated zone, outside that it means zero..so you cant throw out a Trump-ism and say wall wall wall, it means nothing, it just changes the variables to the other side. A wall is a massive waste of money without the infrastructure and DAILY high tech, heavy manpower enforcement...it cant and wont happen. Do you want to double your taxes so we can waste money on the border?
Come on Wallstreet. You know Scooby is not here for facts or solutions, only the partisan Biden and Dem blame game. That is 100% of his posts, no real substance.
@Rush51 Nah, the best example you can even REMOTELY compare it to is the great wall of China...at the time it was made that sucker was so far above and beyond what was needed that it served its purpose. Wall and drones is not even close to enough, the expanse of distance makes that impossible because even if you have a drone in the reasonable vicinity you have to get to the location in time to take action...and that takes boots on the ground every day all day no matter what. We do not have the resources or capital to even get CLOSE to what might make an impact..notice I said make an impact, that isnt even enough to consider being in front of the problem. The other side has an exponentially greater motivation than we do financially, you have to be exponentially MORE than they are, that aint happening and has never happened. Blame Clinton or Biden or Obama or JFK or whatever other DEM you want, thats just reality. We could spend a T on that sucker every single year and not stop the problem. Mugg you are from here, you see the local news and you see the expanse and the territory in question and the conditions and lack of access...you more than anyone knows what a total political dividing joke the whole thing is. Wise up you guys...its a partisan toy they dangle and you bite at it and they win, we lose.
Where is "here"? I live north of Seattle. I'm familiar with the PHX/TUC area.......been down numerous times.
Why is Dementia Joe so upset that locals are trying to do what his admin. won't? Is it "appearance"? It certainly makes him look bad, but he should be used to that.
Notice he deplanes AF1 from the cargo hold now?
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
@Rush51 Nah, the best example you can even REMOTELY compare it to is the great wall of China...at the time it was made that sucker was so far above and beyond what was needed that it served its purpose. Wall and drones is not even close to enough, the expanse of distance makes that impossible because even if you have a drone in the reasonable vicinity you have to get to the location in time to take action...and that takes boots on the ground every day all day no matter what. We do not have the resources or capital to even get CLOSE to what might make an impact..notice I said make an impact, that isnt even enough to consider being in front of the problem. The other side has an exponentially greater motivation than we do financially, you have to be exponentially MORE than they are, that aint happening and has never happened. Blame Clinton or Biden or Obama or JFK or whatever other DEM you want, thats just reality. We could spend a T on that sucker every single year and not stop the problem. Mugg you are from here, you see the local news and you see the expanse and the territory in question and the conditions and lack of access...you more than anyone knows what a total political dividing joke the whole thing is. Wise up you guys...its a partisan toy they dangle and you bite at it and they win, we lose.
Where is "here"? I live north of Seattle. I'm familiar with the PHX/TUC area.......been down numerous times.
Why is Dementia Joe so upset that locals are trying to do what his admin. won't? Is it "appearance"? It certainly makes him look bad, but he should be used to that.
A wall is more symbolic than effective. It's a starting point.
What we have now is the same old "bat azz hate Trump crazy train" Democrats. Almost every move by the Biden admin has not been thought out rather a knee-jerk if Trump did that, then we do the opposite! No matter how stupid it is. As soon as the election was over troves of immigrants began marching on borders wearing Biden T-shirts. He promised them the moon.
Border encounters by year;
2016; 415,826
2017; 310,531
2018; 404,142
2019; 859,501
2020; 405,036
2021; 1,662,167
2022; 2,214,652
And no, it's not Climate Change that caused this it was Trump hatred syndrome.
Same can be said for Keystone, same for Nordstream, same for defund the police, homeless encampments, males playing girl sports, you name it. The cost so far for housing and feeding these immigrants (note; real Trump hating locations put them in 5-star hotels, that'll show'em!) am sure far exceeds any wall costs. And we will be paying for years and years.
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A wall is more symbolic than effective. It's a starting point.
What we have now is the same old "bat azz hate Trump crazy train" Democrats. Almost every move by the Biden admin has not been thought out rather a knee-jerk if Trump did that, then we do the opposite! No matter how stupid it is. As soon as the election was over troves of immigrants began marching on borders wearing Biden T-shirts. He promised them the moon.
Border encounters by year;
2016; 415,826
2017; 310,531
2018; 404,142
2019; 859,501
2020; 405,036
2021; 1,662,167
2022; 2,214,652
And no, it's not Climate Change that caused this it was Trump hatred syndrome.
Same can be said for Keystone, same for Nordstream, same for defund the police, homeless encampments, males playing girl sports, you name it. The cost so far for housing and feeding these immigrants (note; real Trump hating locations put them in 5-star hotels, that'll show'em!) am sure far exceeds any wall costs. And we will be paying for years and years.
New York city ALONE, facing a $12 billion dollar cost by 2025 of caring for southern border crossers. They now have about 100,000 out of the millions who crossed.
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New York city ALONE, facing a $12 billion dollar cost by 2025 of caring for southern border crossers. They now have about 100,000 out of the millions who crossed.
I thought you were a Tuc boy, sorry about mistaking that!
The locals down here are not able to do anything and you know it. They are not magically able to lock in thousands of desert miles of open land and patrol the air and every tunnel that is made to even have a SNIFF about the situation. I am not sure where you got your info but I dont see it and I live here.
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@THEMUGG
I thought you were a Tuc boy, sorry about mistaking that!
The locals down here are not able to do anything and you know it. They are not magically able to lock in thousands of desert miles of open land and patrol the air and every tunnel that is made to even have a SNIFF about the situation. I am not sure where you got your info but I dont see it and I live here.
While that is true, your side is not any different...so remove Trump and a bit of a negative combative edge and its still the same with your lot. I do not see many solutions from the left and much of the same finger pointing and blaming. If an on looker from say Germany who had zero knowledge of US politics were to view the threads in this forum it is easy to see that there is a solid divide and neither side is adding much of true, real value in making things better.
I know this is just a little chatter sandbox and what the little folk here think means nothing but this is also society in a microcosm and is a solid indicator of how we vote and how we make decisions, and based on that reality this country will continue to go down the crapper as a divided partisan disaster.
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@DeezyAZ81
While that is true, your side is not any different...so remove Trump and a bit of a negative combative edge and its still the same with your lot. I do not see many solutions from the left and much of the same finger pointing and blaming. If an on looker from say Germany who had zero knowledge of US politics were to view the threads in this forum it is easy to see that there is a solid divide and neither side is adding much of true, real value in making things better.
I know this is just a little chatter sandbox and what the little folk here think means nothing but this is also society in a microcosm and is a solid indicator of how we vote and how we make decisions, and based on that reality this country will continue to go down the crapper as a divided partisan disaster.
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