We have/are battling three major strains of this virus. Each strain with its own characteristics. To use data from previous strains that no longer predominate and then make desicions for action based on outdated data is foolish.
The current dominate strain readily gets past the vaccine. The second dominate strain (delta) also has the ability to get past the vaccine. For many the vaccine helps fight against severe infection. For some it does not.
My data is what currently is happening, not spanning back into the past. Not saying vaccines do not work, rather they are more limited than advertised as those promoting false narratives on the vaccines abilities resort to data not pertinent to today's dominate strain(s)
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We have/are battling three major strains of this virus. Each strain with its own characteristics. To use data from previous strains that no longer predominate and then make desicions for action based on outdated data is foolish.
The current dominate strain readily gets past the vaccine. The second dominate strain (delta) also has the ability to get past the vaccine. For many the vaccine helps fight against severe infection. For some it does not.
My data is what currently is happening, not spanning back into the past. Not saying vaccines do not work, rather they are more limited than advertised as those promoting false narratives on the vaccines abilities resort to data not pertinent to today's dominate strain(s)
Quote Originally Posted by baish2012: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Center for disease control is right that states with higher rates of fully vaccinated residents have lower covid death rates. This is confirmed by Statista data on covid death rates (per 100,000 residents) as follows. Vermont 80, Maine 123, Connecticut 268, Rhode island 300 and Massachusetts 304 overall have lower mortality than Idaho 239, Wyoming 274, Lousiana 326, Alabama 341 and Mississippi 357. According to Chicago daily herald, only 1 of 14 states with highest covid death rates in 2021 has a vaccination rate above 58%. Almost all states with higher than average vaccination rates saw covid death rates decline in 2021. I wish the whole damn virus would just vanish. well if chump and his accomplices had not downplayed the whole thing then allowed the virus to run roughshod over the entire country we wouldnt b in this predicament
Certainly several other countries responded much better than we did in 2020. As a world leader we should've been among them.
baish , thats the bottom line right there . massive failure in 2020 !!
and almost everything related that follows is a direct result from that 2020 failure, including the economy as well as covid related issues
"I'm the MOST HONEST HUMAN BEING that God has EVER created!!" - Donald Trump
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Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:
Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:
Quote Originally Posted by baish2012: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Center for disease control is right that states with higher rates of fully vaccinated residents have lower covid death rates. This is confirmed by Statista data on covid death rates (per 100,000 residents) as follows. Vermont 80, Maine 123, Connecticut 268, Rhode island 300 and Massachusetts 304 overall have lower mortality than Idaho 239, Wyoming 274, Lousiana 326, Alabama 341 and Mississippi 357. According to Chicago daily herald, only 1 of 14 states with highest covid death rates in 2021 has a vaccination rate above 58%. Almost all states with higher than average vaccination rates saw covid death rates decline in 2021. I wish the whole damn virus would just vanish. well if chump and his accomplices had not downplayed the whole thing then allowed the virus to run roughshod over the entire country we wouldnt b in this predicament
Certainly several other countries responded much better than we did in 2020. As a world leader we should've been among them.
baish , thats the bottom line right there . massive failure in 2020 !!
and almost everything related that follows is a direct result from that 2020 failure, including the economy as well as covid related issues
Quote Originally Posted by baish2012: Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by baish2012: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Center for disease control is right that states with higher rates of fully vaccinated residents have lower covid death rates. This is confirmed by Statista data on covid death rates (per 100,000 residents) as follows. Vermont 80, Maine 123, Connecticut 268, Rhode island 300 and Massachusetts 304 overall have lower mortality than Idaho 239, Wyoming 274, Lousiana 326, Alabama 341 and Mississippi 357. According to Chicago daily herald, only 1 of 14 states with highest covid death rates in 2021 has a vaccination rate above 58%. Almost all states with higher than average vaccination rates saw covid death rates decline in 2021. I wish the whole damn virus would just vanish. well if chump and his accomplices had not downplayed the whole thing then allowed the virus to run roughshod over the entire country we wouldnt b in this predicament Certainly several other countries responded much better than we did in 2020. As a world leader we should've been among them. baish , thats the bottom line right there . massive failure in 2020 !! and almost everything related that follows is a direct result from that 2020 failure, including the economy as well as covid related issues
Reading these posts reminds me of vomiting in your own mouth.
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Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:
Quote Originally Posted by baish2012: Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by baish2012: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Center for disease control is right that states with higher rates of fully vaccinated residents have lower covid death rates. This is confirmed by Statista data on covid death rates (per 100,000 residents) as follows. Vermont 80, Maine 123, Connecticut 268, Rhode island 300 and Massachusetts 304 overall have lower mortality than Idaho 239, Wyoming 274, Lousiana 326, Alabama 341 and Mississippi 357. According to Chicago daily herald, only 1 of 14 states with highest covid death rates in 2021 has a vaccination rate above 58%. Almost all states with higher than average vaccination rates saw covid death rates decline in 2021. I wish the whole damn virus would just vanish. well if chump and his accomplices had not downplayed the whole thing then allowed the virus to run roughshod over the entire country we wouldnt b in this predicament Certainly several other countries responded much better than we did in 2020. As a world leader we should've been among them. baish , thats the bottom line right there . massive failure in 2020 !! and almost everything related that follows is a direct result from that 2020 failure, including the economy as well as covid related issues
Reading these posts reminds me of vomiting in your own mouth.
People who had previously been infected with COVID-19 were better protected against the Delta variant than those who were vaccinated alone,
Center for disease control and most doctors still recommend vaccines even for those who survive infection. Problem with natural immunity is that the risk of illness or death far outweigh any benefit from infection especially for the elderly. Immunity varies widely among individuals. University of Pennsylvania study reveals 36% of those infected fail to produce anti-bodies. In contrast, vaccines provide safer, reliable and more consistent protection. Since vaccine and natural immunity don't last forever, booster shots help to restore immunity. Best protection combines both infection and vaccine. Better to be vaccinated before infection to avoid illness.
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Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:
People who had previously been infected with COVID-19 were better protected against the Delta variant than those who were vaccinated alone,
Center for disease control and most doctors still recommend vaccines even for those who survive infection. Problem with natural immunity is that the risk of illness or death far outweigh any benefit from infection especially for the elderly. Immunity varies widely among individuals. University of Pennsylvania study reveals 36% of those infected fail to produce anti-bodies. In contrast, vaccines provide safer, reliable and more consistent protection. Since vaccine and natural immunity don't last forever, booster shots help to restore immunity. Best protection combines both infection and vaccine. Better to be vaccinated before infection to avoid illness.
Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg: People who had previously been infected with COVID-19 were better protected against the Delta variant than those who were vaccinated alone, Center for disease control and most doctors still recommend vaccines even for those who survive infection. Problem with natural immunity is that the risk of illness or death far outweigh any benefit from infection especially for the elderly. Immunity varies widely among individuals. University of Pennsylvania study reveals 36% of those infected fail to produce anti-bodies. In contrast, vaccines provide safer, reliable and more consistent protection. Since vaccine and natural immunity don't last forever, booster shots help to restore immunity. Best protection combines both infection and vaccine. Better to be vaccinated before infection to avoid illness.
I challenge you to post the data per demographic for this statement....stats on non-immunocompromised under the age of 60....under the age of 40....under the age of 30.
We know you will not because those facts don't play into your narrative....elderly population??? YES, THEY ARE THE MOST VULNERABLE, GET FUCKING VACCINATED....who the hell is arguing that the elderly population doesn't need vaccinated???....the data clearly shows that the risks drop dramatically as age goes down....so, "natural immunity" as you define it only includes those previously infected??? What about those people with very strong immune systems, white cells and all??? Those who have been exposed multiple times to covid but did not contract the virus???
Please tell me you realize that for some individuals, the body's immune system can fight off this virus just as it can other viruses. It's not limited to just those "previously infected"
I've posted plenty of information on the first and most vaccinated population in the world, Israel. Everything they have discovered first, we learn after the fact and continue to be blind to the reality of what we are currently dealing with. I know you've seen the stats and choose to ignore them. Keep it going tho Third, like I said, this website keeps all the receipts where we can easily access them....you and your brethren's positions and beliefs have been absolutely slaughtered over the past two years but you shills just keep on keeping on huh, your own MSM / CNN media is starting to eat it's own.... let the truth set you free....
America First
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg: People who had previously been infected with COVID-19 were better protected against the Delta variant than those who were vaccinated alone, Center for disease control and most doctors still recommend vaccines even for those who survive infection. Problem with natural immunity is that the risk of illness or death far outweigh any benefit from infection especially for the elderly. Immunity varies widely among individuals. University of Pennsylvania study reveals 36% of those infected fail to produce anti-bodies. In contrast, vaccines provide safer, reliable and more consistent protection. Since vaccine and natural immunity don't last forever, booster shots help to restore immunity. Best protection combines both infection and vaccine. Better to be vaccinated before infection to avoid illness.
I challenge you to post the data per demographic for this statement....stats on non-immunocompromised under the age of 60....under the age of 40....under the age of 30.
We know you will not because those facts don't play into your narrative....elderly population??? YES, THEY ARE THE MOST VULNERABLE, GET FUCKING VACCINATED....who the hell is arguing that the elderly population doesn't need vaccinated???....the data clearly shows that the risks drop dramatically as age goes down....so, "natural immunity" as you define it only includes those previously infected??? What about those people with very strong immune systems, white cells and all??? Those who have been exposed multiple times to covid but did not contract the virus???
Please tell me you realize that for some individuals, the body's immune system can fight off this virus just as it can other viruses. It's not limited to just those "previously infected"
I've posted plenty of information on the first and most vaccinated population in the world, Israel. Everything they have discovered first, we learn after the fact and continue to be blind to the reality of what we are currently dealing with. I know you've seen the stats and choose to ignore them. Keep it going tho Third, like I said, this website keeps all the receipts where we can easily access them....you and your brethren's positions and beliefs have been absolutely slaughtered over the past two years but you shills just keep on keeping on huh, your own MSM / CNN media is starting to eat it's own.... let the truth set you free....
Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: Remember Portugal, "no one left to vaccinate". They currently have the equivalent (by population) of 1.4 million U.S. cases a day. Daily death rate has doubled since December 26th and climbing. Current equivalent of 900 U.S. deaths a day.....and unfortunately on the rise as reported cases have increased 400% in the last 28 days
According to Vaccine Today, Portugal is faring far better than countries with low vaccination rates. Covid hospitalizations and death toll are a fraction of that seen in previous surges despite increasing infections. Afterall, vaccines are designed primarily to prevent severe illness but less effective against infections.
What is the Portuguese secret?
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: Remember Portugal, "no one left to vaccinate". They currently have the equivalent (by population) of 1.4 million U.S. cases a day. Daily death rate has doubled since December 26th and climbing. Current equivalent of 900 U.S. deaths a day.....and unfortunately on the rise as reported cases have increased 400% in the last 28 days
According to Vaccine Today, Portugal is faring far better than countries with low vaccination rates. Covid hospitalizations and death toll are a fraction of that seen in previous surges despite increasing infections. Afterall, vaccines are designed primarily to prevent severe illness but less effective against infections.
"We are continuing to turn the corner against the winter surge thanks to New Yorkers getting vaccinated, boosted and masking up," Gov. Kathy Hochull said in a statement. "But we can't let our guard down and undo all of the progress we've made. Please keep wearing your masks and make sure you get your vaccination or booster as soon as possible."
SEE HOW THEY TAKE CREDIT FOR A NATURAL RISE AND SUDDEN DROP OF OMICRON SEEN AROUND THE WORLD INCLUDING UNVACCINATED AND UNMASKED REGIONS.
UNBLIEVABLE!!!!
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"We are continuing to turn the corner against the winter surge thanks to New Yorkers getting vaccinated, boosted and masking up," Gov. Kathy Hochull said in a statement. "But we can't let our guard down and undo all of the progress we've made. Please keep wearing your masks and make sure you get your vaccination or booster as soon as possible."
SEE HOW THEY TAKE CREDIT FOR A NATURAL RISE AND SUDDEN DROP OF OMICRON SEEN AROUND THE WORLD INCLUDING UNVACCINATED AND UNMASKED REGIONS.
@UNIMAN OK, so you obviously believe the data being reported by the states. So let me ask you this.. Do you think the 2020 election was stolen like some in here?
Actually no, how could I believe data from every state. Michigan audit shows over 2000 more died in nursing homes, just like New York. I just use the same available data everyone else has access to.
Election;
No, but I believe it was manipulated. Several states, very late in the game, changed voting rules using COVID as an excuse. Only state legislators decide voting rules. Several areas failed to follow the rules including allowing oversight. Media totaling shutting down Hunters laptop besides all the other lies. The democrat state secretary from the state of Washington WARNED it took them 5 years to get mail in ballots right, that was totally ignored. That election had f-up written all over it.
The Constitution of The United States appears to be "in the way" of current democratic leaders, it clearly states voting decided by state legislators, seems I remember Biden say "this may be unconstitutional but I'm doing it anyways". Yet they say democracy will be lost without them.
Now the same people who cheer needing a passport to buy chicken nuggets at McDonald's scream that requiring an ID to vote is Jim Crow 2.0
So let me ask you; Do you think it's important that there be no voter ID?
Biden's home state of Delaware has voting restrictions and requires ID. Never been a problem for him last 50 years.
I find it.......wanna say funny........but it's not, that the 2016 election was accussed as being illegitimate with Russian interference. Then we find out it was a hoax. Then the 2020 election is questioned after several last minute changes and it's shot right down. Now Biden says 2022 may not be legit unless we do it his way. HA!!!
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Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
@UNIMAN OK, so you obviously believe the data being reported by the states. So let me ask you this.. Do you think the 2020 election was stolen like some in here?
Actually no, how could I believe data from every state. Michigan audit shows over 2000 more died in nursing homes, just like New York. I just use the same available data everyone else has access to.
Election;
No, but I believe it was manipulated. Several states, very late in the game, changed voting rules using COVID as an excuse. Only state legislators decide voting rules. Several areas failed to follow the rules including allowing oversight. Media totaling shutting down Hunters laptop besides all the other lies. The democrat state secretary from the state of Washington WARNED it took them 5 years to get mail in ballots right, that was totally ignored. That election had f-up written all over it.
The Constitution of The United States appears to be "in the way" of current democratic leaders, it clearly states voting decided by state legislators, seems I remember Biden say "this may be unconstitutional but I'm doing it anyways". Yet they say democracy will be lost without them.
Now the same people who cheer needing a passport to buy chicken nuggets at McDonald's scream that requiring an ID to vote is Jim Crow 2.0
So let me ask you; Do you think it's important that there be no voter ID?
Biden's home state of Delaware has voting restrictions and requires ID. Never been a problem for him last 50 years.
I find it.......wanna say funny........but it's not, that the 2016 election was accussed as being illegitimate with Russian interference. Then we find out it was a hoax. Then the 2020 election is questioned after several last minute changes and it's shot right down. Now Biden says 2022 may not be legit unless we do it his way. HA!!!
Ok well, if you can't believe every state how can you make a comment re: mask mandated states having a higher % of Covid than non masked states?
You probably missed it but I am a proponent of voter ID which we follow in Florida.
I also haven't seen the manipulation of which you speak. Did some states attempt to make it easier for voters to cast their ballots? Yes and I think voting should be made as easy & secure as possible. Right?
Hunter's laptop is a red herring IMO until proven otherwise & I'm not going down that rabbit hole here.
We are learning more & more about how the GOP tried to overturn our election & this will stain our country forever. Anyone & everyone who took part in this insurrection should be held accountable.
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@UNIMAN
Ok well, if you can't believe every state how can you make a comment re: mask mandated states having a higher % of Covid than non masked states?
You probably missed it but I am a proponent of voter ID which we follow in Florida.
I also haven't seen the manipulation of which you speak. Did some states attempt to make it easier for voters to cast their ballots? Yes and I think voting should be made as easy & secure as possible. Right?
Hunter's laptop is a red herring IMO until proven otherwise & I'm not going down that rabbit hole here.
We are learning more & more about how the GOP tried to overturn our election & this will stain our country forever. Anyone & everyone who took part in this insurrection should be held accountable.
Arizona health department reveals that unvaccinated people are 17 times more likely to be hospitalized according to KTAR news. 31 times more likely to die from covid. Hospitals report almost 90% of covid hospitalizations are unvaccinated especially in intensive care for the sickest patients.
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Arizona health department reveals that unvaccinated people are 17 times more likely to be hospitalized according to KTAR news. 31 times more likely to die from covid. Hospitals report almost 90% of covid hospitalizations are unvaccinated especially in intensive care for the sickest patients.
We are learning more & more about how the GOP tried to overturn our election & this will stain our country forever. Anyone & everyone who took part in this insurrection should be held accountable.
And on two levels!
The trump-regime inner circle and several states complicit in THE BIG LIE with their fraudulent "electors"
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Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
We are learning more & more about how the GOP tried to overturn our election & this will stain our country forever. Anyone & everyone who took part in this insurrection should be held accountable.
And on two levels!
The trump-regime inner circle and several states complicit in THE BIG LIE with their fraudulent "electors"
Arizona health department reveals that unvaccinated people are 17 times more likely to be hospitalizedaccording to KTAR news. 31 times more likely to die from covid.
Hospitals report almost 90% of covid hospitalizations are unvaccinated especially in intensive care for the sickest patients.
New AZ Department of Health report shows UNvaccinated at 17.5 times greater risk of COVID hospitalization
PHOENIX – Newly released data shows that the risk of being hospitalized for COVID-19 was 17.5 times higher in November for unvaccinated Arizonans than those who were fully vaccinated.
Arizonans were 31.1 times more likely to die of the virus in November and 4.9 times more likely to test positive.
Source: https://tinyurl.com/2m9ss826
*thank you to Thirdperson for posting this reaffirming story earlier
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Arizona health department reveals that unvaccinated people are 17 times more likely to be hospitalizedaccording to KTAR news. 31 times more likely to die from covid.
Hospitals report almost 90% of covid hospitalizations are unvaccinated especially in intensive care for the sickest patients.
New AZ Department of Health report shows UNvaccinated at 17.5 times greater risk of COVID hospitalization
PHOENIX – Newly released data shows that the risk of being hospitalized for COVID-19 was 17.5 times higher in November for unvaccinated Arizonans than those who were fully vaccinated.
Arizonans were 31.1 times more likely to die of the virus in November and 4.9 times more likely to test positive.
Source: https://tinyurl.com/2m9ss826
*thank you to Thirdperson for posting this reaffirming story earlier
The link below is a FB thread regarding the very safe and effective vaccine.
"When we came up with these INCREDIBLE VACCINES — three of them — and therapeutics, we did a tremendous job, and we should NEVER disparage them," Trump continued. "We should be really happy about it because we’ve all saved millions and millions of lives all over the world."
- donald trump, on FOX News
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Quote Originally Posted by sundance:
The link below is a FB thread regarding the very safe and effective vaccine.
"When we came up with these INCREDIBLE VACCINES — three of them — and therapeutics, we did a tremendous job, and we should NEVER disparage them," Trump continued. "We should be really happy about it because we’ve all saved millions and millions of lives all over the world."
Q: The Covid test positivity rate in your state is 41 percent. What are you doing to bring that down? KRISTI NOEM: "We are doing exactly what we have been doing the last two years." In the lower 48, South Dakota is the 4th least populated state. Something isn't working Governor?
South Dakota 7-day case average drops 33% last 5 days.
Using democrat logic; LOOK, WE ARE MAKING IT GO DOWN! NOW DONT LET YOUR GUARD DOWN, FOLLOW WHAT I SAY!!!
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Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
Q: The Covid test positivity rate in your state is 41 percent. What are you doing to bring that down? KRISTI NOEM: "We are doing exactly what we have been doing the last two years." In the lower 48, South Dakota is the 4th least populated state. Something isn't working Governor?
South Dakota 7-day case average drops 33% last 5 days.
Using democrat logic; LOOK, WE ARE MAKING IT GO DOWN! NOW DONT LET YOUR GUARD DOWN, FOLLOW WHAT I SAY!!!
Good info inside the link below. For those of you who took the experimental gene therapy shot. You can still help yourself with the info inside the link.
Good info inside the link below. For those of you who took the experimental gene therapy shot. You can still help yourself with the info inside the link.
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Donald Trump delivered a ringing endorsement of the jab in an interview with the New York Post:
‘It’s A Real Lifesaver’
Trump said he’s “all in favor” of the shot, adding
it’s a “great thing” that people “should take advantage of.”
The former president has endorsed the vaccine several times— he advocated for the shot during two separate interviews with Fox News!
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Quote Originally Posted by sundance:
Good info inside the link below. For those of you who took the experimental gene therapy shot. You can still help yourself with the info inside the link. FGce4rSSUoK.jpeg (2530×3862) (riots.win)
Donald Trump delivered a ringing endorsement of the jab in an interview with the New York Post:
‘It’s A Real Lifesaver’
Trump said he’s “all in favor” of the shot, adding
it’s a “great thing” that people “should take advantage of.”
The former president has endorsed the vaccine several times— he advocated for the shot during two separate interviews with Fox News!
Quote Originally Posted by sundance: Good info inside the link below. For those of you who took the experimental gene therapy shot. You can still help yourself with the info inside the link. FGce4rSSUoK.jpeg (2530×3862) (riots.win) Donald Trump delivered a ringing endorsement of the jab in an interview with the New York Post: ‘It’s A Real Lifesaver’ Trump said he’s “all in favor” of the shot, adding it’s a “great thing” that people “should take advantage of.” The former president has endorsed the vaccine several times—he advocated for the shot during two separate interviews with Fox News!
Life according to FUPA only includes two types of people....Joe Biden people, and Donald Trump people....
It's a sad shame that one individual's life is so limited by black and white logic....the grey area gap between the two is where you find the right balance.
I'm guessing you keep your Fauci action figure on your mantle beside your bed
America First
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by sundance: Good info inside the link below. For those of you who took the experimental gene therapy shot. You can still help yourself with the info inside the link. FGce4rSSUoK.jpeg (2530×3862) (riots.win) Donald Trump delivered a ringing endorsement of the jab in an interview with the New York Post: ‘It’s A Real Lifesaver’ Trump said he’s “all in favor” of the shot, adding it’s a “great thing” that people “should take advantage of.” The former president has endorsed the vaccine several times—he advocated for the shot during two separate interviews with Fox News!
Life according to FUPA only includes two types of people....Joe Biden people, and Donald Trump people....
It's a sad shame that one individual's life is so limited by black and white logic....the grey area gap between the two is where you find the right balance.
I'm guessing you keep your Fauci action figure on your mantle beside your bed
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massive failure in 2020 !! 
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