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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2022 - 12:08 PM ET #3951

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by sundance: rather than wearing a useless mask. Anti-maskers or anti-vaxxers only want to undermine public confidence in scientific establishment.      According to Center for disease control, "masking is a critical health tool for preventing spread of covid.  It is important to have a well fitted mask and to remember that any mask is better than none."   Absolutely.     Not 100% perfect, but definitely better than nothing.   Proven to work well in Asian countries.   I agree.  It is far from perfect protection, but it works at least to a reasonable degree and is better than nothing  

     

     

    the biden admin distributing 400 million free n95 masks to help the cause thumbs_up

     

     

    Late, but better late than never.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by sundance: rather than wearing a useless mask. Anti-maskers or anti-vaxxers only want to undermine public confidence in scientific establishment.      According to Center for disease control, "masking is a critical health tool for preventing spread of covid.  It is important to have a well fitted mask and to remember that any mask is better than none."   Absolutely.     Not 100% perfect, but definitely better than nothing.   Proven to work well in Asian countries.   I agree.  It is far from perfect protection, but it works at least to a reasonable degree and is better than nothing  

     

     

    the biden admin distributing 400 million free n95 masks to help the cause thumbs_up

     

     

    Late, but better late than never.

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2022 - 12:14 PM ET #3952

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Center for disease control and most doctors still recommend vaccines even for those who survive infection.  Problem with natural immunity is that the risk of illness or death far outweigh any benefit from infection especially for the elderly.  Immunity varies widely among individuals.  University of Pennsylvania study reveals 36% of those infected fail to produce anti-bodies.  In contrast, vaccines provide safer, reliable and more consistent protection.  Since vaccine and natural immunity don't last forever, booster shots help to restore immunity.  Best protection combines both infection and vaccine.  Better to be vaccinated before infection to avoid illness.

     

    The efficacy (to prevent hospitalization/death) wanes significantly within 6 months but is pumped up to levels approaching 90% efficacy when boosted, even though the trump-vaccine was never designed specifically for delta or omicron variants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Center for disease control and most doctors still recommend vaccines even for those who survive infection.  Problem with natural immunity is that the risk of illness or death far outweigh any benefit from infection especially for the elderly.  Immunity varies widely among individuals.  University of Pennsylvania study reveals 36% of those infected fail to produce anti-bodies.  In contrast, vaccines provide safer, reliable and more consistent protection.  Since vaccine and natural immunity don't last forever, booster shots help to restore immunity.  Best protection combines both infection and vaccine.  Better to be vaccinated before infection to avoid illness.

     

    The efficacy (to prevent hospitalization/death) wanes significantly within 6 months but is pumped up to levels approaching 90% efficacy when boosted, even though the trump-vaccine was never designed specifically for delta or omicron variants.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2022 - 12:34 PM ET #3953

    Per CDC....

    Approved or Authorized Vaccines Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna (COVID-19 mRNA vaccines) are preferred.

    You may get Johnson & Johnson's Janssen COVID-19 vaccine in some situations. Pfizer-BioNTech Moderna Johnson & Johnson's Janssen.

     

    Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't see "trump-vaccine" listed anywhere on the CDC website for approved vaccines....Pfizer is a multinational company, not a Trump owned or operated Company, and their CEO is a jewish-greek immigrant.... 

    By your flawed logic, since Trump was the President when PFIZER developed and rolled out the vaccine; and now Biden is the President, shouldn't the BOOSTERS be called the "Biden-Boosters".  Please correct my Fupa logic if I am off on this...might need to bring 3rd in for some resident fact checking an_beatup

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    Per CDC....

    Approved or Authorized Vaccines Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna (COVID-19 mRNA vaccines) are preferred.

    You may get Johnson & Johnson's Janssen COVID-19 vaccine in some situations. Pfizer-BioNTech Moderna Johnson & Johnson's Janssen.

     

    Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't see "trump-vaccine" listed anywhere on the CDC website for approved vaccines....Pfizer is a multinational company, not a Trump owned or operated Company, and their CEO is a jewish-greek immigrant.... 

    By your flawed logic, since Trump was the President when PFIZER developed and rolled out the vaccine; and now Biden is the President, shouldn't the BOOSTERS be called the "Biden-Boosters".  Please correct my Fupa logic if I am off on this...might need to bring 3rd in for some resident fact checking an_beatup

     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2022 - 3:53 PM ET #3954

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    the five biggest states with mask mandates in place for several months, New York, California, Illinois, Washington, and Oregon.  Not seeing ANY evidence these mask mandates are doing anything. In fact mandated states are worse.

    Those 5 states have lower covid case rates (per 100,000 residents) than many states according to Statista.  Oregon 13,536 (2nd lowest), Washington 15,126 (5th), California 19,467 (12th), Illinois 21,886 (28th) and New York 24,168 (41st). 

    The science behind masks is fairly clear and has become stronger during pandemic.   First, National academy of science look at 150 studies to conclude the evidences show that universal use of masks in public when combined with public health measures could successfully reduce virus spread and add $1 trillion to US economy by preventing business closures.  Secondly, Lancet reviews 172 studies from 16 countries and found that masks overall result in reduced risk of infection.  Third, lab, observational and modeling studies consistently support mask wearing.  But even  stronger gold standard evidence is revealed in large scale randomized Bangladesh study involving over 340,000 people.  World health organization considers masks a key measure to reduce virus spread and save lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    the five biggest states with mask mandates in place for several months, New York, California, Illinois, Washington, and Oregon.  Not seeing ANY evidence these mask mandates are doing anything. In fact mandated states are worse.

    Those 5 states have lower covid case rates (per 100,000 residents) than many states according to Statista.  Oregon 13,536 (2nd lowest), Washington 15,126 (5th), California 19,467 (12th), Illinois 21,886 (28th) and New York 24,168 (41st). 

    The science behind masks is fairly clear and has become stronger during pandemic.   First, National academy of science look at 150 studies to conclude the evidences show that universal use of masks in public when combined with public health measures could successfully reduce virus spread and add $1 trillion to US economy by preventing business closures.  Secondly, Lancet reviews 172 studies from 16 countries and found that masks overall result in reduced risk of infection.  Third, lab, observational and modeling studies consistently support mask wearing.  But even  stronger gold standard evidence is revealed in large scale randomized Bangladesh study involving over 340,000 people.  World health organization considers masks a key measure to reduce virus spread and save lives.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2022 - 4:05 PM ET #3955

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

     

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Center for disease control and most doctors still recommend vaccines even for those who survive infection.  Problem with natural immunity is that the risk of illness or death far outweigh any benefit from infection especially for the elderly.  Immunity varies widely among individuals.  University of Pennsylvania study reveals 36% of those infected fail to produce anti-bodies.  In contrast, vaccines provide safer, reliable and more consistent protection.  Since vaccine and natural immunity don't last forever, booster shots help to restore immunity.  Best protection combines both infection and vaccine.  Better to be vaccinated before infection to avoid illness.

     

     

    The efficacy (to prevent hospitalization/death) wanes significantly within 6 months but is pumped up to levels approaching 90% efficacy when boosted, even though the trump-vaccine was never designed specifically for delta or omicron variants.

     

    health authorities have suggested from the start that there may need to be ongoing boosters to an ever evolving virus -- very much like the annual flu shots

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Center for disease control and most doctors still recommend vaccines even for those who survive infection.  Problem with natural immunity is that the risk of illness or death far outweigh any benefit from infection especially for the elderly.  Immunity varies widely among individuals.  University of Pennsylvania study reveals 36% of those infected fail to produce anti-bodies.  In contrast, vaccines provide safer, reliable and more consistent protection.  Since vaccine and natural immunity don't last forever, booster shots help to restore immunity.  Best protection combines both infection and vaccine.  Better to be vaccinated before infection to avoid illness.

     

     

    The efficacy (to prevent hospitalization/death) wanes significantly within 6 months but is pumped up to levels approaching 90% efficacy when boosted, even though the trump-vaccine was never designed specifically for delta or omicron variants.

     

    health authorities have suggested from the start that there may need to be ongoing boosters to an ever evolving virus -- very much like the annual flu shots

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2022 - 7:27 PM ET #3956

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: the five biggest states with mask mandates in place for several months, New York, California, Illinois, Washington, and Oregon.  Not seeing ANY evidence these mask mandates are doing anything. In fact mandated states are worse. Those 5 states have lower covid case rates (per 100,000 residents) than many states according to Statista.  Oregon 13,536 (2nd lowest), Washington 15,126 (5th), California 19,467 (12th), Illinois 21,886 (28th) and New York 24,168 (41st).  The science behind masks is fairly clear and has become stronger during pandemic.   First, National academy of science look at 150 studies to conclude the evidences show that universal use of masks in public when combined with public health measures could successfully reduce virus spread and add $1 trillion to US economy by preventing business closures.  Secondly, Lancet reviews 172 studies from 16 countries and found that masks overall result in reduced risk of infection.  Third, lab, observational and modeling studies consistently support mask wearing.  But even  stronger gold standard evidence is revealed in large scale randomized Bangladesh study involving over 340,000 people.  World health organization considers masks a key measure to reduce virus spread and save lives.

    We're those low case rates for mandated time only? NO. Irrelevant data. Oregon and Washington were lucky in 2020.

    Oregon implemented indoor mask mandate on August 17th, 2021, and then included an outdoor mandate on August 27th, 2021.

    Since August 17th, 2021 Oregon has had their highest case rates and death rates. More cases and deaths in the last 5 mask mandated months than the entire first 17 months of the pandemic!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: the five biggest states with mask mandates in place for several months, New York, California, Illinois, Washington, and Oregon.  Not seeing ANY evidence these mask mandates are doing anything. In fact mandated states are worse. Those 5 states have lower covid case rates (per 100,000 residents) than many states according to Statista.  Oregon 13,536 (2nd lowest), Washington 15,126 (5th), California 19,467 (12th), Illinois 21,886 (28th) and New York 24,168 (41st).  The science behind masks is fairly clear and has become stronger during pandemic.   First, National academy of science look at 150 studies to conclude the evidences show that universal use of masks in public when combined with public health measures could successfully reduce virus spread and add $1 trillion to US economy by preventing business closures.  Secondly, Lancet reviews 172 studies from 16 countries and found that masks overall result in reduced risk of infection.  Third, lab, observational and modeling studies consistently support mask wearing.  But even  stronger gold standard evidence is revealed in large scale randomized Bangladesh study involving over 340,000 people.  World health organization considers masks a key measure to reduce virus spread and save lives.

    We're those low case rates for mandated time only? NO. Irrelevant data. Oregon and Washington were lucky in 2020.

    Oregon implemented indoor mask mandate on August 17th, 2021, and then included an outdoor mandate on August 27th, 2021.

    Since August 17th, 2021 Oregon has had their highest case rates and death rates. More cases and deaths in the last 5 mask mandated months than the entire first 17 months of the pandemic!!

     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2022 - 8:01 PM ET #3957

    Hawaii has had mask mandates, recently peaked at 5017 7-day average cases. Florida recently peaked at 77,061 7-day average cases.

    Adjusted to US population Hawaii had the equivalent of an 1.18 million 7-day avg, Florida to 1.19 million 7-day avg. 

    Why isn't Hawaii doing much better?? Because the masks make little difference anymore. an_light

     

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    Hawaii has had mask mandates, recently peaked at 5017 7-day average cases. Florida recently peaked at 77,061 7-day average cases.

    Adjusted to US population Hawaii had the equivalent of an 1.18 million 7-day avg, Florida to 1.19 million 7-day avg. 

    Why isn't Hawaii doing much better?? Because the masks make little difference anymore. an_light

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2022 - 8:33 PM ET #3958

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: the five biggest states with mask mandates in place for several months, New York, California, Illinois, Washington, and Oregon.  Not seeing ANY evidence these mask mandates are doing anything. In fact mandated states are worse. Those 5 states have lower covid case rates (per 100,000 residents) than many states according to Statista.  Oregon 13,536 (2nd lowest), Washington 15,126 (5th), California 19,467 (12th), Illinois 21,886 (28th) and New York 24,168 (41st).  The science behind masks is fairly clear and has become stronger during pandemic.   First, National academy of science look at 150 studies to conclude the evidences show that universal use of masks in public when combined with public health measures could successfully reduce virus spread and add $1 trillion to US economy by preventing business closures.  Secondly, Lancet reviews 172 studies from 16 countries and found that masks overall result in reduced risk of infection.  Third, lab, observational and modeling studies consistently support mask wearing.  But even  stronger gold standard evidence is revealed in large scale randomized Bangladesh study involving over 340,000 people.  World health organization considers masks a key measure to reduce virus spread and save lives.

     

    very good points  thirdperson  thumbs_up

    masks have been proven to work in the countries that have not only adopted them for practical public health but have almost universally complied with the measure .  in societies where half the population rejects the science and refuses to comply at all or much of the time    then everything falls apart     it would be akin to a defensive secondary where half the guys do their job covering receivers extremely well and the other 2  DBs hate the task and so theydont        the results r inevitable

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: the five biggest states with mask mandates in place for several months, New York, California, Illinois, Washington, and Oregon.  Not seeing ANY evidence these mask mandates are doing anything. In fact mandated states are worse. Those 5 states have lower covid case rates (per 100,000 residents) than many states according to Statista.  Oregon 13,536 (2nd lowest), Washington 15,126 (5th), California 19,467 (12th), Illinois 21,886 (28th) and New York 24,168 (41st).  The science behind masks is fairly clear and has become stronger during pandemic.   First, National academy of science look at 150 studies to conclude the evidences show that universal use of masks in public when combined with public health measures could successfully reduce virus spread and add $1 trillion to US economy by preventing business closures.  Secondly, Lancet reviews 172 studies from 16 countries and found that masks overall result in reduced risk of infection.  Third, lab, observational and modeling studies consistently support mask wearing.  But even  stronger gold standard evidence is revealed in large scale randomized Bangladesh study involving over 340,000 people.  World health organization considers masks a key measure to reduce virus spread and save lives.

     

    very good points  thirdperson  thumbs_up

    masks have been proven to work in the countries that have not only adopted them for practical public health but have almost universally complied with the measure .  in societies where half the population rejects the science and refuses to comply at all or much of the time    then everything falls apart     it would be akin to a defensive secondary where half the guys do their job covering receivers extremely well and the other 2  DBs hate the task and so theydont        the results r inevitable

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2022 - 12:30 AM ET #3959

    It's akin to wearing leather helmets.

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    It's akin to wearing leather helmets.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: the five biggest states with mask mandates in place for several months, New York, California, Illinois, Washington, and Oregon.  Not seeing ANY evidence these mask mandates are doing anything. In fact mandated states are worse. Those 5 states have lower covid case rates (per 100,000 residents) than many states according to Statista.  Oregon 13,536 (2nd lowest), Washington 15,126 (5th), California 19,467 (12th), Illinois 21,886 (28th) and New York 24,168 (41st).  The science behind masks is fairly clear and has become stronger during pandemic.   First, National academy of science look at 150 studies to conclude the evidences show that universal use of masks in public when combined with public health measures could successfully reduce virus spread and add $1 trillion to US economy by preventing business closures.  Secondly, Lancet reviews 172 studies from 16 countries and found that masks overall result in reduced risk of infection.  Third, lab, observational and modeling studies consistently support mask wearing.  But even  stronger gold standard evidence is revealed in large scale randomized Bangladesh study involving over 340,000 people.  World health organization considers masks a key measure to reduce virus spread and save lives.

     

     

    very good points  thirdperson  thumbs_up

    masks have been proven to work in the countries that have not only adopted them for practical public health but have almost universally complied with the measure .  in societies where half the population rejects the science and refuses to comply at all or much of the time    then everything falls apart     it would be akin to a defensive secondary where half the guys do their job covering receivers extremely well and the other 2  DBs hate the task and so they dont        the results r inevitable

     

    Perfect analogy!

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: the five biggest states with mask mandates in place for several months, New York, California, Illinois, Washington, and Oregon.  Not seeing ANY evidence these mask mandates are doing anything. In fact mandated states are worse. Those 5 states have lower covid case rates (per 100,000 residents) than many states according to Statista.  Oregon 13,536 (2nd lowest), Washington 15,126 (5th), California 19,467 (12th), Illinois 21,886 (28th) and New York 24,168 (41st).  The science behind masks is fairly clear and has become stronger during pandemic.   First, National academy of science look at 150 studies to conclude the evidences show that universal use of masks in public when combined with public health measures could successfully reduce virus spread and add $1 trillion to US economy by preventing business closures.  Secondly, Lancet reviews 172 studies from 16 countries and found that masks overall result in reduced risk of infection.  Third, lab, observational and modeling studies consistently support mask wearing.  But even  stronger gold standard evidence is revealed in large scale randomized Bangladesh study involving over 340,000 people.  World health organization considers masks a key measure to reduce virus spread and save lives.

     

     

    very good points  thirdperson  thumbs_up

    masks have been proven to work in the countries that have not only adopted them for practical public health but have almost universally complied with the measure .  in societies where half the population rejects the science and refuses to comply at all or much of the time    then everything falls apart     it would be akin to a defensive secondary where half the guys do their job covering receivers extremely well and the other 2  DBs hate the task and so they dont        the results r inevitable

     

    Perfect analogy!

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Hawaii has had mask mandates, recently peaked at 5017 7-day average cases. Florida recently peaked at 77,061 7-day average cases.   Why isn't Hawaii doing much better?? Because the masks make little difference anymore.

    Most public health experts still recommend masks.  Overall, Hawaii has done better than Florida during the pandemic.  According to Statista, covid case rate (per 100,000 residents) is 14,753 (4th lowest) for Hawaii and 25,239 (46th) for Florida.  Covid death rate is 81 (1st lowest) for Hawaii and 300 (35th) for Florida.  Latest 7 day averages are limited snapshots of a moment in time and statistically less significant than large scale data revealing the big picture. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Hawaii has had mask mandates, recently peaked at 5017 7-day average cases. Florida recently peaked at 77,061 7-day average cases.   Why isn't Hawaii doing much better?? Because the masks make little difference anymore.

    Most public health experts still recommend masks.  Overall, Hawaii has done better than Florida during the pandemic.  According to Statista, covid case rate (per 100,000 residents) is 14,753 (4th lowest) for Hawaii and 25,239 (46th) for Florida.  Covid death rate is 81 (1st lowest) for Hawaii and 300 (35th) for Florida.  Latest 7 day averages are limited snapshots of a moment in time and statistically less significant than large scale data revealing the big picture. 

     
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    How Hawaii, an Island state, has done over the course of the pandemic is not the talking point here. They were lucky and were able to lockdown early on, easier when your surrounded by water.

    The point is there is no credible evidence to show mask mandates are currently reducing cases. Data speaks for itself. Why do think the recent push for N95's? Omicron has evolved to get by the masks better than previous strains.

     

    On another note;

    Took at look at Portugal this morning, wow. The equivalent of 1.8 million US cases per day and now averaging an equivalent 1400 deaths a day. 

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    How Hawaii, an Island state, has done over the course of the pandemic is not the talking point here. They were lucky and were able to lockdown early on, easier when your surrounded by water.

    The point is there is no credible evidence to show mask mandates are currently reducing cases. Data speaks for itself. Why do think the recent push for N95's? Omicron has evolved to get by the masks better than previous strains.

     

    On another note;

    Took at look at Portugal this morning, wow. The equivalent of 1.8 million US cases per day and now averaging an equivalent 1400 deaths a day. 

     
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     If they even gave a crap they would have made these masks the only ones you could wear, and started it from the BEGINNING. Not some damn bandana

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     If they even gave a crap they would have made these masks the only ones you could wear, and started it from the BEGINNING. Not some damn bandana

     
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     They key word is JEWISH OWNED. And no biden had ZERO to do with anything. Hes just a puppet on a string that cant even complete a sentence 

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     They key word is JEWISH OWNED. And no biden had ZERO to do with anything. Hes just a puppet on a string that cant even complete a sentence 

     
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    Stunning death numbers in the UK. Numbers from a funeral director in the UK. 500-600% increase in the deaths of young adults! The very obvious reason for this? The poison inside the vaccine that people allow to be injected inside their body! 9-10 that died of a blood clot were vaccinated? 

    I was a substitute last night on a bowling team of some of my golf buddies. One of the guys told me his future mother-in-law died a month ago because of a heart attack and a stroke. I asked if she was vaccinated. He said yes yes. I said there is a good likelihood she died of the vaccine. He gave me a look like 'Sundance, you are nuts! ' I did not say anything else. She was 74.

    "I've Never Seen as Many Deaths.. It's Around a 500 or 600% Increase" - Funeral Director in UK Reveals Increasing Number of Death in Vaccinated Young Adults (thegatewaypundit.com)

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    Stunning death numbers in the UK. Numbers from a funeral director in the UK. 500-600% increase in the deaths of young adults! The very obvious reason for this? The poison inside the vaccine that people allow to be injected inside their body! 9-10 that died of a blood clot were vaccinated? 

    I was a substitute last night on a bowling team of some of my golf buddies. One of the guys told me his future mother-in-law died a month ago because of a heart attack and a stroke. I asked if she was vaccinated. He said yes yes. I said there is a good likelihood she died of the vaccine. He gave me a look like 'Sundance, you are nuts! ' I did not say anything else. She was 74.

    "I've Never Seen as Many Deaths.. It's Around a 500 or 600% Increase" - Funeral Director in UK Reveals Increasing Number of Death in Vaccinated Young Adults (thegatewaypundit.com)

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Most public health experts still recommend masks.  Overall, Hawaii has done better than Florida during the pandemic.  According to Statista, covid case rate (per 100,000 residents) is 14,753 (4th lowest) for Hawaii and 25,239 (46th) for Florida.  Covid death rate is 81 (1st lowest) for Hawaii and 300 (35th) for Florida.  Latest 7 day averages are limited snapshots of a moment in time and statistically less significant than large scale data revealing the big picture.

    In countries where compliance with masking requirements is very high their incidence of severe covid is incredibly low; almost miniscule compares to here.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Most public health experts still recommend masks.  Overall, Hawaii has done better than Florida during the pandemic.  According to Statista, covid case rate (per 100,000 residents) is 14,753 (4th lowest) for Hawaii and 25,239 (46th) for Florida.  Covid death rate is 81 (1st lowest) for Hawaii and 300 (35th) for Florida.  Latest 7 day averages are limited snapshots of a moment in time and statistically less significant than large scale data revealing the big picture.

    In countries where compliance with masking requirements is very high their incidence of severe covid is incredibly low; almost miniscule compares to here.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    Funeral Director in UK Reveals Increasing Number of Death in Vaccinated Young Adults (thegatewaypundit.com)

    No evidence of large increase in deaths among young vaccinated adults according to fact checks by Reuters, politifact facebook and full fact.  In the US, National funeral directors association is unaware of anyone making that claim.  Vaccine adverse event reporting system report 9 blood clot deaths that might be linked to vaccines out of over 500 million doses administered.

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    Funeral Director in UK Reveals Increasing Number of Death in Vaccinated Young Adults (thegatewaypundit.com)

    No evidence of large increase in deaths among young vaccinated adults according to fact checks by Reuters, politifact facebook and full fact.  In the US, National funeral directors association is unaware of anyone making that claim.  Vaccine adverse event reporting system report 9 blood clot deaths that might be linked to vaccines out of over 500 million doses administered.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: Funeral Director in UK Reveals Increasing Number of Death in Vaccinated Young Adults (thegatewaypundit.com) No evidence of large increase in deaths among young vaccinated adults according to fact checks by Reuters, politifact facebook and full fact.  In the US, National funeral directors association is unaware of anyone making that claim.  Vaccine adverse event reporting system report 9 blood clot deaths that might be linked to vaccines out of over 500 million doses administered.

    When is the last time you talked to 1 of your local funeral directors? The PTB will not be able to hide the planetary 'die off' forever. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: Funeral Director in UK Reveals Increasing Number of Death in Vaccinated Young Adults (thegatewaypundit.com) No evidence of large increase in deaths among young vaccinated adults according to fact checks by Reuters, politifact facebook and full fact.  In the US, National funeral directors association is unaware of anyone making that claim.  Vaccine adverse event reporting system report 9 blood clot deaths that might be linked to vaccines out of over 500 million doses administered.

    When is the last time you talked to 1 of your local funeral directors? The PTB will not be able to hide the planetary 'die off' forever. 

     
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    Denmark decides to end all COVID restrictions next week despite highest case numbers ever. They point to lower hospital admissions.

    Saw a statement in a Bloomberg article that hits the nail on the head;

    "There’s also a sense that restrictions just aren’t able to stop the highly transmissible omicron strain."

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    Denmark decides to end all COVID restrictions next week despite highest case numbers ever. They point to lower hospital admissions.

    Saw a statement in a Bloomberg article that hits the nail on the head;

    "There’s also a sense that restrictions just aren’t able to stop the highly transmissible omicron strain."

     
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    Scared communist tyrant Trudeau on the run and in hiding as protesters and truckers are currently gathered outside Parliament Hill in Ottawa. an_cheers

    A truck convoy in Canada reported to be over 50K trucks has arrived in Ottawa. People on the ground there are saying they are there for the long haul and claim to have supplies that will last months until their demands are met. Trudeau had previously smeared what is now the longest convoy in history (43 miles) as a "Fringe Minority."  an_roll_laugh

    So the tyrant has to shelter in place like the COWARD he is, because of a real threat, after he locked down citizens over a fake (threat) pandemic, because all his lies and fake narratives are crumbling in front of him.win

    Relax. I'm unvaxxed!
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    Scared communist tyrant Trudeau on the run and in hiding as protesters and truckers are currently gathered outside Parliament Hill in Ottawa. an_cheers

    A truck convoy in Canada reported to be over 50K trucks has arrived in Ottawa. People on the ground there are saying they are there for the long haul and claim to have supplies that will last months until their demands are met. Trudeau had previously smeared what is now the longest convoy in history (43 miles) as a "Fringe Minority."  an_roll_laugh

    So the tyrant has to shelter in place like the COWARD he is, because of a real threat, after he locked down citizens over a fake (threat) pandemic, because all his lies and fake narratives are crumbling in front of him.win

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: Funeral Director in UK Reveals Increasing Number of Death in Vaccinated Young Adults (thegatewaypundit.com)

     

    No evidence of large increase in deaths among young vaccinated adults according to fact checks by Reuters, politifact facebook and full fact.

    Confirmed.

    The gatewaypundit as a source is only a very slightly more truthful and reliable source of information than the National Enquirer convenience store tabloid.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: Funeral Director in UK Reveals Increasing Number of Death in Vaccinated Young Adults (thegatewaypundit.com)

     

    No evidence of large increase in deaths among young vaccinated adults according to fact checks by Reuters, politifact facebook and full fact.

    Confirmed.

    The gatewaypundit as a source is only a very slightly more truthful and reliable source of information than the National Enquirer convenience store tabloid.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: Funeral Director in UK Reveals Increasing Number of Death in Vaccinated Young Adults (thegatewaypundit.com)

     

    No evidence of large increase in deaths among young vaccinated adults according to fact checks by Reuters, politifact facebook and full fact.

    Confirmed.

    The gatewaypundit as a source is only a very slightly more truthful and reliable source of information than the National Enquirer convenience store tabloid.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: Funeral Director in UK Reveals Increasing Number of Death in Vaccinated Young Adults (thegatewaypundit.com)

     

    No evidence of large increase in deaths among young vaccinated adults according to fact checks by Reuters, politifact facebook and full fact.

    Confirmed.

    The gatewaypundit as a source is only a very slightly more truthful and reliable source of information than the National Enquirer convenience store tabloid.

     

     
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by sundance]Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by sundance: Funeral Director in UK Reveals Increasing Number of Death in Vaccinated Young Adults (thegatewaypundit.com) No evidence of large increase in deaths among young vaccinated adults according to fact checks by Reuters, politifact facebook and full fact.  In the US, National funeral directors association is unaware of anyone making that claim.  Vaccine adverse event reporting system report 9 blood clot deaths that might be linked to vaccines out of over 500 million doses administered.

     

     

    That's really not the point though.

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by sundance]Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by sundance: Funeral Director in UK Reveals Increasing Number of Death in Vaccinated Young Adults (thegatewaypundit.com) No evidence of large increase in deaths among young vaccinated adults according to fact checks by Reuters, politifact facebook and full fact.  In the US, National funeral directors association is unaware of anyone making that claim.  Vaccine adverse event reporting system report 9 blood clot deaths that might be linked to vaccines out of over 500 million doses administered.

     

     

    That's really not the point though.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Most public health experts still recommend masks. 

     

    As long as public compliance is exceptionally high masking has been proven to be highly effective at reducing viral spread.

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    Most public health experts still recommend masks. 

     

    As long as public compliance is exceptionally high masking has been proven to be highly effective at reducing viral spread.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Most public health experts still recommend masks.    As long as public compliance is exceptionally high masking has been proven to be highly effective at reducing viral spread.

    You truly are a comedian of total disinformation! 

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Most public health experts still recommend masks.    As long as public compliance is exceptionally high masking has been proven to be highly effective at reducing viral spread.

    You truly are a comedian of total disinformation! 

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