Covid-19 Good And Bad

They cannot make their minds up.  Scare the people until they clamor for boosters.  Then when there are not enough boosters ready yet they say they are not needed...yet.  Now they have boosters and would like the money, so you should get them and they are good and long-lasting.  The issue is still the same as the original vaccine -- they are good for that one variant.  So, do you constantly have to keep getting boosted?  No...wait...yes, you should and it is good for you.

The elephant in the room is our vaccinated pilots who can no longer fly because of serious health issues caused by the forced vax. I want an unvaxxed pilot the next time I fly. Do we have any pilots that did not put the poison from Fauci inside their body?

“When we came up with these incredible vaccines
— three of them! — we did a TREMENDOUS job, 
and we should NEVER disparage them!! We should
be REALLY HAPPY about it because we’ve all saved
MILLIONS of lives all over the world!!”

                              - convicted TAX FRAUD, donald trump, December 2021

(quote from sundance's favorite fascist cult hero)

@fubah2

 "Name calling is the liberal "go to" when then have nothing intelligent to offer to the conversation.  Time for you grow up."

"When does Trump's lease of your mind expire?"

Try to stay caught up with the big boy conversations.  It is NOT always about your guy Trump -- he has to be your guy by now, because it seems everyone but the far Left has moved on from him.

Sure, his administration rushed through the vaccines and he had to promote them.  

But there is nothing wrong with saying new information has come out and it is time to change your mind, or at least have an open mind.  Trump also 'promoted' some other drugs as well.  Why does the Far Left not promote those as well?  

I know it is hard for you Fringe Left to realize it -- but Trump is not the only 'retort' to anything the Right says.

Try to give well-thought out answers, with data, to back up your replies. 

                Trump-Vaccine!

Fupa! Fupa! Fupa!  

You just got smoked big time lmao..... Raiders dropping some medicine on dat phat Foopa   

In all seriousness to Al Davis, you'll never get any response from the algobotfarm army otherwise known as "Foops & the Alias friends" account.  It is great fun, time to time, to drop TRUTH bombs on them and make them look like the complete clowns that they are within the clown show, but don't ever hold your breath expecting a response.  That is not their "job"  here.  

Yes he does deserve a small amount of credit there, I agree.

Federal aviation administration says there is no evidence pilot incapacities or airplane accidents are associated with covid vaccines.  In the US, the number of airplane accidents remain steady in the last 5 years even during the pandemic according to National transportation safety board which investigates all aviation accidents.

I would agree with this statement.

I am an avid watcher of Smithsonian's show Air Disasters. Most airline accidents pilot error or maintenence errors. With today's equity agenda no f-ing way do I want to fly again. Can see it coming, especially in the maintenence area. Just my cautious opinion. 

Anytime you introduce a substance into your body there is a "risk vs reward" to review. 

If I get covid what is the probability I will be injured from it, will I die?

Then, will the vaccine prevent me from getting covid? Will it prevent me from dying from covid?

And, could the vaccine harm me, could the vaccine damage my body? 

The harm question always seemed to be drowned out and thrown out of the review. "Perfectly safe" and if you question your labeled many things, removed from social media.

My take is the vaccines were developed for those that have a high risk of dying or permanent injury. Testing was very limited and as a result required a "no harm clause" by it's manufacture. Those with comorbidities that increase the probability of injury or death should seriously consider the vaccine even though testing was limited. Those healthy could say no I want more testing before I commit. But that is not how it went.

And then there is this....when you get the annual flu shot it is based on the most likely flu virus to dominate that year. So if a different flu virus is dominate you may get it anyways. Covid has been several different viruses, original, Delta, lamda, omicron, etc, etc. As soon as Delta dominated the vaccine was a mismatch. Yet it was shoved out as all curing. 

And an observation; Iceland had a very good Covid website on cases, hospitalizations, deaths, vaxed and unvaxed. Believe it was February where those vaccinated and boostered passed the unvaxed and vaxed-not boostered in deaths per 100,000 of each category. Shortly after the trends changed they discontinued the website. Minnesota was a state that had an excellent site too. One thing they didnt do was note how many boostered. Download able data I still have. Just looking at deaths I see a monthly increase;

           % vaxed.               % of deaths that were vaxed

June.     44.9.                         17.9

July.       52.2.                         27.4

August.  55.0                         37.2

Sept.       57.1.                        39.1

Oct.         59.6.                       43.7.  Note; Minnesota had a big booster shot campaign that shows dividends in Nov and Dec

Nov.        61.0.                        37.5

Dec.        64.0.                        29.5

Jan.        67.                           55.5     Note the sudden change, almost double the percentage of Nov.

Feb.        69.                           65.6  at this point the vaxed are dying from covid just about as much as an unvaxed person

My take on this data is the boosters appear to work for about 60 days and then crash. 

And to think our media never reported this data.

          what HE said   

More Minnesota data. From May 2nd 2021 when they first started reporting to April 10th, 2022 when they stopped reporting an excel spreadsheet each week.

Total vaccinated that had cases of COVID; 377,052

Total unvaccinated cases; 353,727

Total vaccinated COVID hospitalizations; 10,856

Total unvaccinated hospitalizations; 19,137

Total vaccinated deaths from COVID; 2,013

Total unvaccinated deaths; 2,837

Vaccination rates from a low in May of 40% to 68%

Interesting notes; If you were vaxed and contracted covid, chance of hospitalization was 1 in 34.73, chance of death was 1 in 187.31.

For the unvaccinated chance of hospitalization after contracting covid was 1 in 18.48, chance of death 1 in 124.68.

So vaccines helped some. Yet, if you were vaccinated and still ended up in the hospital, chance of dying was 1 in 5.39 whereas the unvaxed chance was 1 in 6.75. 

A FAR CRY FROM PANDEMIC OF THE UNVACCINATED. 

Important data missing.  What is the number of covid deaths per 100,000 population for vaccinated and unvaccinated by different age groups?  Death rate among unvaccinated should still be far higher than vaccinated people in same age group although vaccinated population comprises higher proportion of deaths.

Yes it was too bad Minnesota did not drill down to age groups. Early on their data was adults only and later when children were being vaxed they lowered it to 12 year old and up and then late in the data they went 5 years old and up. Yet in February when 69% of the population was vaccinated and 65.6% of the deaths are the vaxed, there is a problem. If you break it down to age groups I would think lowering it to 12 yr olds and then 5yr olds only helps the vaccinated numbers as those age groups have little fatalities from covid to begin with.  Wisconsin had a wonderful data site but limited how one could querie it. Then in Jan of 2022 they stopped for about 8 weeks and then resumed. A little messy but did have age groups. 

The whole point of the above posts is #1; Obvious NOT a pandemic of unvaccinated. #2. The vaccine had some benefits preventing death and hospitalizations yet it got worse as time went on and other varients dominated. #3. You do not find our media investigating and reporting this data.

@MrWhatsItToYa

you must be new.... who are you ?? 

"US" 

bwahahahahaha so you ADMIT it ahahahahaahaha 

Yes, an alias....thank you for your honesty 

Spent some time reading old posts here, interesting. 

Here is one from Fubah, February 16th of 2021, post #2195;

"More new covid variants,
Relaxing restrictions.
Experts fear COVID's 4th wave [image from unapproved source]

USA TODAY
Experts talk in dire terms about what will happen 
if variants of the virus are allowed to surge this spring.

"I'm very worried we're letting our foot off the brakes," said Atul Gawande,
a surgeon at Brigham and Women’s Hospital and a professor at the
Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

"It's like we're trying our best to help the virus rather than stopping it,"
said Theodora Hatziioannou, a virologist and research associate professor
at the Rockefeller University in New York City.

More contagious variants of the virus have raced across Europe, South Africa and
Latin America. They have all arrived in the U.S., and one first identified in the
United Kingdom is likely to be dominant here by the end of next month,
according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The variants will continue to change and eventually will 
evade vaccines and diagnostic tests  if they keep spreading."

SO IT DID HAPPEN, DELTA MADE IT TO THE UNITED STATES, EVADED THE VACCINE AS EXPERTS PERDICTED. UK TOLD US THAT DELTA WAS EVADING THE VACCINE ON JULY 19, 2021.

SO WHY DID THE WHITEHOUSE GO ON AN ALLOUT "PANDEMIC OF THE UNVACCINATED" IN LATE JULY OF 2021? WHY SAY GET VACCINATED YOU WON'T DIE, GO TO THE HOSPITAL OR EVEN GET COVID IF EXPERTS WERE WARNING IN FEBRUARY THE VARIENTS COULD EVADE THE VACCINE AND THERE WAS ABSOLUTE PROOF DELTA DID JUST THAT AND WAS HERE IN THE U.S.? WHY DID WHITEHOUSE PRESS BRIEFINGS SHOW CHARTS OF OHIO AND COLORADO SHOWING 99% ARE THE UNVACCINATED BY GOING BACK TO JANUARY SURGE DATA FROM THE ORIGINAL COVID? THEY HAD TO KNOW DELTA WAS DIFFERENT. THE EXPERTS WERE WARNING BACK IN FEBRUARY! WHY DID THEY LIE?

Another, from Midnight1, post #2200 on February 21, 2021;

500,000 Americans dead.

It didn't have to happen.

NOW WE HAVE 1.2 MILLION DEAD. HOW MANY DIDN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN NOW?

And this one;

Posted on March 4th, 2021 by Fubah, post #2204;

New COVID-19 variants emerge closer to home

USA TODAY
Health officials are urging Americans to not let their guards down against COVID-19
as researchers discover new variants that may already be more transmissible and
could also be somewhat resistant to the vaccine. [image from unapproved source]

“At this level of cases, with variants spreading, we stand to completely lose the
hard-earned ground we have gained,” Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said during a White House briefing Monday.
“These variants are a very real threat to our people and our progress.”

While experts have been following variants first identified in the United Kingdom
and South Africa, they're also seeing red flags in other variants discovered
closer to home in Brazil, New York and California.

SO THE DIRECTOR OF THE CDC SAYS IN MARCH, "WE COULD LOSE ALL THE GROUND WE'VE GAINED." "THESE VARIANTS ARE A REAL TREAT TO OUR PEOPLE AND OUR PROGRESS."

SO WHY WASN'T ANYTHING DONE TO PREVENT OVERSEA VARIANTS FROM ENTERING OUR COUNTRY??? NOTHING!!! WAS THE OPEN SOUTHERN BORDER A GOOD IDEA?

Moving on to the end of July, 2021;

I made this statement on July 17th, 2021; 

Conclusion; When the Delta takes hold in the U.S. we should expect the same results. As many as 50% of the vaccinated representing new cases, the older will still be much more vulnerable, 10 to 1. If you are over 50 and vaccinated you almost have the same chance of dying 42/58% as the unvaccinated as reported from the UK. (9,571 delta cases over 50. 99 of those died. 42% were vaccinated) 

Europa responded with;

Another study, cited by Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, suggests that the Pfizer vaccine is approximately 80% effective against preventing infection from Delta, 88% effective at preventing symptomatic disease and 96% effective at preventing hospitalizations caused by the virus.*

*https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/delta-variant-what-we-know-about-the-efficacy-of-covid-vaccines/2427527/

YET WHEN I REVIEW MINNESOTA DATA FROM JUNE 27TH TO JULY 18TH OF 2021 I FIND 27% OF HOSPITALIZATIONS ARE ALREADY THE VACCINATED AND DELTA JUST GETTING STARTED. 96%, REALLY??? SO WAS FAUCI RIGHT IN CITING THAT DATA? THINK NOT.