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    I_Need_A_Detox
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2020 - 9:44 AM ET #1876

    WHO now opposes lockdowns 

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    WHO now opposes lockdowns 

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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2020 - 4:53 PM ET #1877

    Achieve herd immunity by "protecting people from a virus,
    not by exposing them to it," WHO director-general says


    “Allowing a dangerous virus that we don't fully understand to run free
    is simply unethical,” Tedros said, adding that herd immunity is a
    “concept used for vaccination.”

    “For example, herd immunity against measles requires about 95%
    of the population to be vaccinated. The remaining 5% will be
    protected by the fact that measles will not spread among those
    who are vaccinated,” Tedros said.
    “In other words, herd immunity is achieved by protecting people
    from a virus, not by exposing them to it."

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    Achieve herd immunity by "protecting people from a virus,
    not by exposing them to it," WHO director-general says


    “Allowing a dangerous virus that we don't fully understand to run free
    is simply unethical,” Tedros said, adding that herd immunity is a
    “concept used for vaccination.”

    “For example, herd immunity against measles requires about 95%
    of the population to be vaccinated. The remaining 5% will be
    protected by the fact that measles will not spread among those
    who are vaccinated,” Tedros said.
    “In other words, herd immunity is achieved by protecting people
    from a virus, not by exposing them to it."

     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2020 - 5:04 PM ET #1878

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    To save his own life, Trump is a hypocrite to accept covid miracle treatments which relies on cells linked to abortions. But he suspends use of fetus tissue in scientific research to woo evangelical votes. Some drugs and vaccines wouldn't exist without such research. He is the opposite of Jesus but pretends to be religious.

     

    rump is a hypocrit

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    To save his own life, Trump is a hypocrite to accept covid miracle treatments which relies on cells linked to abortions. But he suspends use of fetus tissue in scientific research to woo evangelical votes. Some drugs and vaccines wouldn't exist without such research. He is the opposite of Jesus but pretends to be religious.

     

    rump is a hypocrit

     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2020 - 12:53 AM ET #1879

    Nevada man's COVID-19 reinfection,
    the first in the US, is 'yellow caution light'
    about risk of coronavirus


    USA TODAY
    An otherwise healthy 25-year-old Nevada man is the first American confirmed
    to have caught COVID-19 twice, with the second infection worse than the first.

    He has recovered, but his case raises questions about how long people are protected
    after being infected with the coronavirus that causes the disease, and potentially
    how protective a vaccine might be.

    Respiratory infections like COVID-19 don't provide lifelong immunity like a measles
    infection. So, Dr. Paul Offit, an infectious disease expert at Children's Hospital of
    Philadelphia, said he's not at all surprised people could get infected twice with
    the coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2.

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    Nevada man's COVID-19 reinfection,
    the first in the US, is 'yellow caution light'
    about risk of coronavirus


    USA TODAY
    An otherwise healthy 25-year-old Nevada man is the first American confirmed
    to have caught COVID-19 twice, with the second infection worse than the first.

    He has recovered, but his case raises questions about how long people are protected
    after being infected with the coronavirus that causes the disease, and potentially
    how protective a vaccine might be.

    Respiratory infections like COVID-19 don't provide lifelong immunity like a measles
    infection. So, Dr. Paul Offit, an infectious disease expert at Children's Hospital of
    Philadelphia, said he's not at all surprised people could get infected twice with
    the coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2020 - 11:37 AM ET #1880

    Quote Originally Posted by undefined:

    In misleading ad, Trump campaign twists Fauci comments to suggest approval of president response to pandemic.  Fauci says comments are taken out of context without his permission.  Actually, he was praising public health officials.  He never publicly endorses any political candidate.  Meanwhile white house blocks Fauci and members of task force from participating in interviews hosted by ABC, CBS and NBC news.

    Biden campaign slams Trump for exploiting Fauci's comment out of context.  He uses the ad while knowing it is a lie.  So Biden campaign releases  ad copying Trump technique to show him attacking himself by saying "I am failing at managing the coronavirus outbreak."

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    Quote Originally Posted by undefined:

    In misleading ad, Trump campaign twists Fauci comments to suggest approval of president response to pandemic.  Fauci says comments are taken out of context without his permission.  Actually, he was praising public health officials.  He never publicly endorses any political candidate.  Meanwhile white house blocks Fauci and members of task force from participating in interviews hosted by ABC, CBS and NBC news.

    Biden campaign slams Trump for exploiting Fauci's comment out of context.  He uses the ad while knowing it is a lie.  So Biden campaign releases  ad copying Trump technique to show him attacking himself by saying "I am failing at managing the coronavirus outbreak."

     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2020 - 11:40 AM ET #1881

    Try explaining how it was taken out of context 

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    Try explaining how it was taken out of context 

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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2020 - 12:22 PM ET #1882

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: the declaration has now been signed by nearly 6,000 scientists and medical experts across the globe.   They say keeping the lockdown policies in place until a vaccine is available would cause "irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed", with children more at risk from flu than Covid-19. Barrington declaration is a controversial fringe approach opposed by World health organizaion and most public health experts.  It argues against lockdowns in favor of protecting the elderly and vulnerable while allowing everyone else a normal life to build herd immunity.  This misleading fix appeals to those who pretend coronavirus is not worse than the flu.  However declaration is signed by many fake experts and is unsupported by evidence.  Countries that manage the pandemic well have adopted aggressive mitigation that don't include letting coronavirus run wild according to University of Southampton.  England tried herd immunity and then retreated as covid toll increases rapidly.  Sweden gamble has been a failure with higher rates of hospitalizations and deaths compared to neighbouring countries.   Sweden is far from achieving herd immunity and economic recovery ranks among the worst in its region according to Royal society of medicine journal.  Yale and British academy of medical sciences raise concerns about lasting protection.  Doubtful if vulnerable people can avoid infection.  Unclear if everyone infected develops immunity.  Young people can still be infected leading to hospitalizations or deaths.  Immunity diminish over time and re-infection is possible.  Fact is herd immunity cannot be achieved without a massive loss of life or a vaccine.  One estimate is that natural herd immunity in the US requires 2 million deaths and 200 million infections.  Instead a better strategy is to double down on universal mask wearing, testing and contact tracing until a vaccine is available according to Harvard.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: the declaration has now been signed by nearly 6,000 scientists and medical experts across the globe.   They say keeping the lockdown policies in place until a vaccine is available would cause "irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed", with children more at risk from flu than Covid-19. Barrington declaration is a controversial fringe approach opposed by World health organizaion and most public health experts.  It argues against lockdowns in favor of protecting the elderly and vulnerable while allowing everyone else a normal life to build herd immunity.  This misleading fix appeals to those who pretend coronavirus is not worse than the flu.  However declaration is signed by many fake experts and is unsupported by evidence.  Countries that manage the pandemic well have adopted aggressive mitigation that don't include letting coronavirus run wild according to University of Southampton.  England tried herd immunity and then retreated as covid toll increases rapidly.  Sweden gamble has been a failure with higher rates of hospitalizations and deaths compared to neighbouring countries.   Sweden is far from achieving herd immunity and economic recovery ranks among the worst in its region according to Royal society of medicine journal.  Yale and British academy of medical sciences raise concerns about lasting protection.  Doubtful if vulnerable people can avoid infection.  Unclear if everyone infected develops immunity.  Young people can still be infected leading to hospitalizations or deaths.  Immunity diminish over time and re-infection is possible.  Fact is herd immunity cannot be achieved without a massive loss of life or a vaccine.  One estimate is that natural herd immunity in the US requires 2 million deaths and 200 million infections.  Instead a better strategy is to double down on universal mask wearing, testing and contact tracing until a vaccine is available according to Harvard.

     

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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2020 - 12:24 PM ET #1883

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    In misleading ad, Trump campaign twists Fauci comments to suggest approval of president response to pandemic.  Fauci says comments are taken out of context without his permission.  Actually, he was praising white house coronavirus task force in first month.  He never publicly endorses any political candidate.  Meanwhile white house blocks Fauci and members of task force from participating in interviews hosted by ABC, CBS and NBC news.

    facts

    fauci noticably upset that rump campaign took his comments out of context

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    In misleading ad, Trump campaign twists Fauci comments to suggest approval of president response to pandemic.  Fauci says comments are taken out of context without his permission.  Actually, he was praising white house coronavirus task force in first month.  He never publicly endorses any political candidate.  Meanwhile white house blocks Fauci and members of task force from participating in interviews hosted by ABC, CBS and NBC news.

    facts

    fauci noticably upset that rump campaign took his comments out of context

     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2020 - 1:51 PM ET #1884

    A third of U.S. states are reporting higher coronavirus case counts
    than they've ever had before.

    A USA TODAY analysis of Johns Hopkins data shows 16 states set records
    for new cases in a week. But nearly all states are surging: 41 states had
    worse weeks than they did a week earlier. And an analysis of COVID
    Tracking Project data shows that in 36 states, a higher rate of people
    were testing positive than in the week before.

    Reply

    A third of U.S. states are reporting higher coronavirus case counts
    than they've ever had before.

    A USA TODAY analysis of Johns Hopkins data shows 16 states set records
    for new cases in a week. But nearly all states are surging: 41 states had
    worse weeks than they did a week earlier. And an analysis of COVID
    Tracking Project data shows that in 36 states, a higher rate of people
    were testing positive than in the week before.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2020 - 4:46 PM ET #1885

    Johnson & Johnson as well as Eli Lily have temporarily halted their clinical covid trials due to potential safety concerns. 

    Although disappointing news, it's typical during the developmental period of a vaccine.

    We are lucky they came clean with the issues rather than keeping the American public in the dark. 

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    Johnson & Johnson as well as Eli Lily have temporarily halted their clinical covid trials due to potential safety concerns. 

    Although disappointing news, it's typical during the developmental period of a vaccine.

    We are lucky they came clean with the issues rather than keeping the American public in the dark. 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2020 - 1:35 AM ET #1886

    YouTube bans Covid-19 misinformation videos

    YouTube on Wednesday said it would take down videos
    that include misinformation about Covid-19 vaccines.

    The company noted it's already taken action on other types of coronavirus-related
    misinformation, such as content that disputes the existence of the virus.
    The company said it's removed over 200,000 videos containing dangerous or
    misleading information about Covid-19 since February.

    YouTube's announcement comes a day after Facebook said it would no longer allow
    ads that discourage people from getting vaccinated.

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    YouTube bans Covid-19 misinformation videos

    YouTube on Wednesday said it would take down videos
    that include misinformation about Covid-19 vaccines.

    The company noted it's already taken action on other types of coronavirus-related
    misinformation, such as content that disputes the existence of the virus.
    The company said it's removed over 200,000 videos containing dangerous or
    misleading information about Covid-19 since February.

    YouTube's announcement comes a day after Facebook said it would no longer allow
    ads that discourage people from getting vaccinated.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2020 - 9:22 AM ET #1887

    Herd immunity strategy endorsed by White House
    a 'ridiculous' way to stop COVID, say scientists
    — "it will just kill people"

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    The idea that the public can infect its way out of the COVID-19 pandemic is
    "a dangerous fallacy unsupported by the scientific evidence,"
    80 researchers said Wednesday in a letter published in the Lancet.

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    Herd immunity strategy endorsed by White House
    a 'ridiculous' way to stop COVID, say scientists
    — "it will just kill people"

    USA TODAY

    The idea that the public can infect its way out of the COVID-19 pandemic is
    "a dangerous fallacy unsupported by the scientific evidence,"
    80 researchers said Wednesday in a letter published in the Lancet.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2020 - 7:42 PM ET #1888

    Dr. Tony Fauci calls "herd immunity" against Covi-19 is "nonsense" and "dangerous" 

    “Quite frankly that is nonsense, and anybody who knows anything about epidemiology will tell you that that is nonsense and very dangerous,” Fauci told Yahoo! News.

    So, the decision has to come as which one you will trust? Dr. Tony Fauci or "herd mentality"?   

     

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    Dr. Tony Fauci calls "herd immunity" against Covi-19 is "nonsense" and "dangerous" 

    “Quite frankly that is nonsense, and anybody who knows anything about epidemiology will tell you that that is nonsense and very dangerous,” Fauci told Yahoo! News.

    So, the decision has to come as which one you will trust? Dr. Tony Fauci or "herd mentality"?   

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2020 - 7:50 PM ET #1889

    Anyone gets the News that former NJ Governor, Chris Christie, that reads he “was wrong” to not wear a mask at the Rose Garden event and in his debate prep sessions with Trump?

    Now finally someone out of the WH inner circle gets CDC guidance. Hats off to Mr. Christie on his sensible remark onto the Covid-19 pandemic mitigation. 

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    Anyone gets the News that former NJ Governor, Chris Christie, that reads he “was wrong” to not wear a mask at the Rose Garden event and in his debate prep sessions with Trump?

    Now finally someone out of the WH inner circle gets CDC guidance. Hats off to Mr. Christie on his sensible remark onto the Covid-19 pandemic mitigation. 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2020 - 7:54 PM ET #1890

    Sad though Christie had to get the virus before he would admit how dangerous it is. He got really sick & I think it probably really scared him.

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    Sad though Christie had to get the virus before he would admit how dangerous it is. He got really sick & I think it probably really scared him.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2020 - 9:24 PM ET #1891

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Dr. Tony Fauci calls "herd immunity" against Covi-19 is "nonsense" and "dangerous" 

    “Quite frankly that is nonsense, and anybody who knows anything about epidemiology will tell you that that is nonsense and very dangerous,” Fauci told Yahoo! News.

    So, the decision has to come as which one you will trust? Dr. Tony Fauci or "herd mentality"? 

    choice between decorated infectious disease expert    or   mr. inject bleach

    rump lickers believe the choice is clear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Dr. Tony Fauci calls "herd immunity" against Covi-19 is "nonsense" and "dangerous" 

    “Quite frankly that is nonsense, and anybody who knows anything about epidemiology will tell you that that is nonsense and very dangerous,” Fauci told Yahoo! News.

    So, the decision has to come as which one you will trust? Dr. Tony Fauci or "herd mentality"? 

    choice between decorated infectious disease expert    or   mr. inject bleach

    rump lickers believe the choice is clear

     
    fubah2
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2020 - 12:42 PM ET #1892

    Big global study finds remdesivir
    doesn't help Covid-19 patients

    In a study it described as both conclusive and disappointing, the
    World Health Organization said the antiviral drug remdesivir has
    "little or no effect on mortality" for patients hospitalized with
    coronavirus and it doesn't seem to help patients recover any faster, either.


    Source: https://tinyurl.com/y4wtfyvo

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    Big global study finds remdesivir
    doesn't help Covid-19 patients

    In a study it described as both conclusive and disappointing, the
    World Health Organization said the antiviral drug remdesivir has
    "little or no effect on mortality" for patients hospitalized with
    coronavirus and it doesn't seem to help patients recover any faster, either.


    Source: https://tinyurl.com/y4wtfyvo

     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2020 - 1:23 PM ET #1893

    Coronavirus is so dangerous that professional athletes who catch it are ready to play professional sports while still in quarantine. 

    How much of a coward do you have to be to think this horror needs lockdown & economic suicide until mass vaccination?

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    Coronavirus is so dangerous that professional athletes who catch it are ready to play professional sports while still in quarantine. 

    How much of a coward do you have to be to think this horror needs lockdown & economic suicide until mass vaccination?

     
    scooby-doos
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2020 - 1:28 PM ET #1894

    If it was so scary and lethal,  the worlds richest and powerful would be walking around in space suits, making sure their personal is protected from head to toe, every part protected... 

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    If it was so scary and lethal,  the worlds richest and powerful would be walking around in space suits, making sure their personal is protected from head to toe, every part protected... 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2020 - 1:48 PM ET #1895

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Anyone gets the News that former NJ Governor, Chris Christie, that reads he “was wrong” to not wear a mask at the Rose Garden event and in his debate prep sessions with Trump?

    Now finally someone out of the WH inner circle gets CDC guidance. Hats off to Mr. Christie on his sensible remark onto the Covid-19 pandemic mitigation.

     

    glad he is ok

    there r  217000 Americans who cant say the same thing

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Anyone gets the News that former NJ Governor, Chris Christie, that reads he “was wrong” to not wear a mask at the Rose Garden event and in his debate prep sessions with Trump?

    Now finally someone out of the WH inner circle gets CDC guidance. Hats off to Mr. Christie on his sensible remark onto the Covid-19 pandemic mitigation.

     

    glad he is ok

    there r  217000 Americans who cant say the same thing

     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2020 - 2:26 PM ET #1896

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    If it was so scary and lethal,  the worlds richest and powerful would be walking around in space suits, making sure their personal is protected from head to toe, every part protected...

    Don't be ridiculous. Only now are we starting to learn more about this virus & the after effects like brain fogginess, brain lesions, shortness of breath, fatigue etc.

    Stop downplaying the serious nature of this virus because there are too many morons that will agree with you & put others in jeopardy. 

    That goes for you too detox. 

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    If it was so scary and lethal,  the worlds richest and powerful would be walking around in space suits, making sure their personal is protected from head to toe, every part protected...

    Don't be ridiculous. Only now are we starting to learn more about this virus & the after effects like brain fogginess, brain lesions, shortness of breath, fatigue etc.

    Stop downplaying the serious nature of this virus because there are too many morons that will agree with you & put others in jeopardy. 

    That goes for you too detox. 

     
    KellyM_1964
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2020 - 3:10 PM ET #1897

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Don't be ridiculous. Only now are we starting to learn more about this virus & the after effects like brain fogginess, brain lesions, shortness of breath, fatigue etc.

    Stop downplaying the serious nature of this virus because there are too many morons that will agree with you & put others in jeopardy.

    That goes for you too detox.

                  an_clap

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Don't be ridiculous. Only now are we starting to learn more about this virus & the after effects like brain fogginess, brain lesions, shortness of breath, fatigue etc.

    Stop downplaying the serious nature of this virus because there are too many morons that will agree with you & put others in jeopardy.

    That goes for you too detox.

                  an_clap

     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2020 - 5:59 PM ET #1898

    The chief executive of Pfizer said Friday that the company would not apply for emergency authorization of its coronavirus vaccine before mid-November, ruling out President Trump’s assertion that a vaccine would be ready before Election Day on Nov. 3.

    Thankfully this executive isn't on the Piggy "hope train" and is giving Americans the straight dope on their progress.

    an_clap

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    The chief executive of Pfizer said Friday that the company would not apply for emergency authorization of its coronavirus vaccine before mid-November, ruling out President Trump’s assertion that a vaccine would be ready before Election Day on Nov. 3.

    Thankfully this executive isn't on the Piggy "hope train" and is giving Americans the straight dope on their progress.

    an_clap

     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2020 - 6:12 PM ET #1899

    Not downplaying , just making a point that it is not an automatic death sentence.  

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    Not downplaying , just making a point that it is not an automatic death sentence.  

     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2020 - 7:05 PM ET #1900

    It certainly Is not a death sentence. I posted the following before.

    From 50 major US universities. 70,000 positive tests. 3 hospitalizations and 0 deaths! 

    It is time to get back to normal. Let's open all the schools, no e learning, 100% capacity in all venues etc

    Let's put the country back to work at 3.5% unemployment stat!

     

    Reply

    It certainly Is not a death sentence. I posted the following before.

    From 50 major US universities. 70,000 positive tests. 3 hospitalizations and 0 deaths! 

    It is time to get back to normal. Let's open all the schools, no e learning, 100% capacity in all venues etc

    Let's put the country back to work at 3.5% unemployment stat!

     

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