Global warming :: is it just a 'chinese hoax' like trump told us or is it serious?

Not cost effective, takes a lot of energy and the leftover salt is an issue.

But hey, this is the politcal form, no room for intelligent talk. 

Not cost effective

Excess salt...how boit putting it back in the ocean where it came from

Just about every change towards climate talk is going to be energy tasked

Really

Hmmm, https://a-z-animals.com/blog/the-worst-floods-in-us-history/

Top 11 worst U.S. floods;

1889

1911

1913

1913

1927

1928

1937

1938

1972

1977

2005

Worst on the planet? China;

• The 1887 Yellow River Flood, killing 930,000 to 2,000,000 people.
• The 1931 China Flood killing from 422,000 to 4,000,000 people.
• The 1935 Yangtze River Flood killing 145,000 people.
• The 1938 Yellow River Flood killing 400,000 to over 890,000 people.

The next three were in Europe:

• The Flood of 1099 in the Netherlands and England killed up to 100,000 people.
• The North Sea Flood and storm surge in 1212 killed an estimated 60,000 people.
• St. Lucia’s Flood and storm surge in 1287 affected the Netherlands and northern Germany, killing 50,000 to 80,000 people.

In the United States it has been found 84% of wildfires are started by humans. 

Look at this pdf. Imagine the field day climate activists would have.

1861

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi3tM_OzqGEAxWV8MkDHTidBIAQFnoECCIQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcw3e.ucsd.edu%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F10%2FDettinger_Ingram_sciam13.pdf&usg=AOvVaw1dkq31xFcVvfJa8HLg4iKu&opi=89978449

https://www.foxweather.com/extreme-weather/arkstorm-california-floods-1861-8-weeks-atmospheric-rivers

Google it, I did.

Like getting away from fossil fuels, technology needs to lead the way in desalinization too.

Interesting article; https://news.mit.edu/2019/brine-desalianation-waste-sodium-hydroxide-0213

Just throwing the salt back into the ocean would create localized high salt concentrations that would then cause a bunch of things to die.

----Spent my whole career in the water industry.---

Right, so every counter has a counter measure

With that rationale you cant try or do anything 

It's like moving to electric cars...that also creates an impact on the disposal of all those batteries and how that affects the environment 

So nothing gets done and when it does you end up pissing of people or the environment in some way..therein lies the challenge...the balance

Total hoax to be used to enslave you with carbon credits on your CBDC (central bank digital currency) ! Please see the link below.

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Oh, no no no Sundance. You can't use just eight years of records. That's too short. (But they can use one storm or one record high. ) No, you see the "super" El Nino of 2015-16 is the reason why......now. 

And nevermind they said the summer of 2023 was the hottest in 400,000 years and now say eight years ago we had the highest temps. Nevermind that not one state recorded an alltime high during that 2015-16 "Super" El Nino. 

So apparently producers of plastic have known for 30 years that recycling is not a solution according to an advocacy group for Center for Climate Integrity....

They lied

Industry insiders over the past several decades have variously referred to plastic recycling as “uneconomical”, said it “cannot be considered a permanent solid waste solution”, and said it “cannot go on indefinitely”, the revelations show.

The authors say the evidence demonstrates that oil and petrochemical companies, as well as their trade associations, may have broken laws designed to protect the public from misleading marketing and pollution.

Recycling was not a real solution

The report does not allege that the companies broke specific laws. But Alyssa Johl, report co-author and attorney, said she suspects they violated public-nuisance, racketeering and consumer-fraud protections.

The industry’s misconduct continues today, the report alleges. Over the past several years, industry lobbying groups have promoted so-called chemical recycling, which breaks plastic polymers down into tiny molecules in order to make new plastics, synthetic fuels and other products. But the process creates pollution and is even more energy intensive than traditional plastic recycling.

The plastics sector has long known chemical recycling is also not a true solution to plastic waste, the report says. In a 1994 trade meeting, Exxon Chemical vice-president Irwin Levowitz called one common form of chemical recycling a “fundamentally uneconomical process”. And in 2003, a longtime trade consultant criticized the industry for promoting chemical recycling, calling it “another example of how non-science got into the minds of industry and environmental activists alike”.

 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/15/recycling-plastics-producers-report?utm_source=pocket-newtab-en-us

They tricked everyone...who would've thunk

@ABooksNightmare

 I forget where I was, but there was a supermarket I visited a few months ago that was using...... wait for it....   "Paper Bags"  

We've come full circle on this recycling garbage.  

No matter what we do as humans we will impact the earth. Plastic is a real issue, IMO. Working in water and wastewater treatment my whole career I have seen it first hand. 

I do have to laugh when I see New York looking at banning soap pods because of polyvinyle alcohol. Most sewage treatment plants add tons of polymers (liquid plastic) to thicken sludge and improve settling. Don't think the soap pods matter much. 

And I don't think recycling is a "solution" or was ever meant to be. It is an aid.

What you have to ban is bad behavior when it comes to plastics and reward good behavior. But that would lead to disgrunted voters and we can't have that. 

Interesting find you won't hear from the media.

Using the site Extremeweatherwatch.com. Full of data!

Michigan; When looking at Michigan cities with a history of weather data going back to at least the 1920's;

-The highest recorded temperature for each year is dropping, all cities. Has been steadly dropping since the 1920's.

-The lowest recorded lows are getting warmer and at a slightly higher pace then high's getting lower. 

So daily averages are increasing because lows are less severe yet highs are decreasing some too. 

Detroit Michigan's lowest yearly high temperature since 1897 is 90F. IT WAS SET LAST YEAR. (The reported hottest year in 400,000 years. Yah, right)

Saginaw Michigan a good example. Checkout the high temp graph trending down over 100 years. (Note: 2024 is of course incomplete) https://www.extremeweatherwatch.com/cities/saginaw/highest-temperatures-by-year

Looking at Chicago at a glance both high's and low's appear basically the same over 100+ years.

Yet Denver has high's getting hotter and low's getting colder! Just the opposite of Michigan cities. Interesting.

From 1921 to 1970 Denver recorded the yearly lowest low above zero degrees 9 times. From 1970 to present every lowest low has been below zero. 

Just wait till the sun burns out . Talk about cold . Damn . For a little while Hockey gonna be the number one sport ! Globally ! Till we all freeze to death of course . I’m working on my “ Jeremy Roenick “ as we speak cuz with all the practice that I’m doing I think I’ll be ready for the majors by then .

@UNIMAN

 I wonder what the highest high and lowest lows for Fairbanks have done.

Put it back in the ocean? 

With all the talk that melting glaciers are diluting the salinity of oceans putting it back is not a bad idea. Problem is mixing it and spreading it out.

Fairbanks data from 1930-present;

Fairbanks highest highs were highest in the 1990's, going by avg of each decade. Average for the 1990's was 89.8F The highest high was in 1969 at 96F. 

The coolest high temp decade was 2000-2019 that averaged 84.6F

Now the lows have been creeping up. Lows by decade;

1930's  -53F

1940's  -48.4F

1950's  -51.4F

1960's  -54.1F

1970's. -49.2F

1980's  -44F

1990's. -48.7F

2000's  -45.8F

2010's  -43.2F

I see a typo, should be 2000-2009.

i saw that one . solid research

If global warming pushes arctic systems to southward regions that don't get it so frequently should not there be a slew of low record temps in soutward regions? 

Could you give some examples? 

Of course not. 

I know you were compiling data on highest highs and lowest lows but wouldn't average temp be more of an indicator? And ocean temp? And size of glaciers?

That's funny. If someone actually looks up the data, like I just did, they find statements like these are complete falsehoods.

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/monthly-report/snow/202301

2016 ranked 7th largest total snowfall going back to 1967. 2017 was 13th highest.

1981 was the lowest. 1985 was the highest.

1972 through 1977 were all below average. The longest streak of below average in last 57 yrs. Way back then.

2018-2023 were all in the mid-range. 

Worst snowfalls;

1. 1981

2. 2006

3. 2012

4. 1989

5. 1972

I am using raw data that I see available to me. Unfortunately have not found average monthly/yearly temps at Extremeweatherwatch. Have found daily/monthly/yearly temps at weatherunderground going back to early 70's but wouldn't you know it the older data is corrupted with zero temps entered in to the mix. Example, I spent over two hours dissecting August of 1973 data for Midland Michigan. If you look for monthly avg you find 67.46F as the avg. When you drill down to daily records you find zero degree F entered many times over about half the days in the month. August 1st 1973 has a zero temp entered 9 times. Take out all those zeros and the avg actually was 71.59F, not 67.46F. USELESS DATA! 

I DO NOT rely on opinions, I want raw data. Let me decide. 

We came out of the Little Ice Age around 1850. Ice has been melting since then. If you look at NASA's own sea level chart, 1900-1918, you can see from about 1935 to 1955 a 75 mm rise. From 1998 to 2018 a 75 mm rise. So recent rise compares to 1930's. Then there was a lull from 1960 to 1980 in sea level rise. NASA says it's because MAN built dams. I'm not buying that! If you look at NASA's Global Temp chart you see a peak in 1942 and then a drop and lull through 1975. It is obvious this three decade temp lull slowed the rising oceans, not manmade dam projects. For me it's a credibility RED FLAG. Why would they say that? If you overlay Global Temps with sea level rise it's obvious.

I have no doubt the yearly avg temps are most likely rising since 1850. Have no doubt the ocean temps are rising too since 1850. Have no doubt CO2 in atmosphere is rising. And have no doubt that CO2 diffuses heat radiation. In fact, looking at highest/lowest temp data it appears CO2 helps reduce the hottest days and warms the coldest nights. But it also may retain heat for longer +80, +90 degree days. Double-edge sword so to speak.

What I do doubt is severe weather is worse, hurricanes are worse, wildfires are worse, droughts, floods, are worse. The data I see doesn't back it up. 

So my question is what caused the sea level to rise 75mm from 1935-55? What caused the Global Temp bump of 1940-42? What caused the Global temp lull from 1945-75? What caused 26 of the 50 states to have alltime high temps to set prior to 1939? What caused the great California flood of 1861, parts of Sacremento were 30' underwater. What caused the Southwest mega-drought of 1276-1299? 

The answer of course is Mother Nature. The earth doesn't stay the same like the thermostat in your house.