Undeniable that we are increasing CO2 levels(ppm) to unprecedented levels through emissions (transport, food, manufacturing,daily life, etc etc...) and too a lesser extent deforestation (trees eat CO2)
And that seems to be contributing to the speeding up of the melting of the ice cap in the arctic (north pole).
Not sure if you have read about "the milankovitch cycles" but check it out if you haven't. It relates to how the earth warms and cools in correspondence with its location to the sun. And how that lines up with the ice ages in history
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Similar thoughts.
Undeniable that we are increasing CO2 levels(ppm) to unprecedented levels through emissions (transport, food, manufacturing,daily life, etc etc...) and too a lesser extent deforestation (trees eat CO2)
And that seems to be contributing to the speeding up of the melting of the ice cap in the arctic (north pole).
Not sure if you have read about "the milankovitch cycles" but check it out if you haven't. It relates to how the earth warms and cools in correspondence with its location to the sun. And how that lines up with the ice ages in history
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: As winters warm over the long term, cold extremes can still occur. Arctic warming can push polar air south. But overall, global heat records outpace cold records. For example, trend shows declining snow levels in the US for 9 straight years. Ya. There's a good article online explaining how global warming can push arctic systems southward into regions that don't get it so frequently. If global warming pushes arctic systems to southward regions that don't get it so frequently should not there be a slew of low record temps in soutward regions? Could you give some examples? Of course not. I know you were compiling data on highest highs and lowest lows but wouldn't average temp be more of an indicator? And ocean temp? And size of glaciers? I am using raw data that I see available to me. Unfortunately have not found average monthly/yearly temps at Extremeweatherwatch. Have found daily/monthly/yearly temps at weatherunderground going back to early 70's but wouldn't you know it the older data is corrupted with zero temps entered in to the mix. Example, I spent over two hours dissecting August of 1973 data for Midland Michigan. If you look for monthly avg you find 67.46F as the avg. When you drill down to daily records you find zero degree F entered many times over about half the days in the month. August 1st 1973 has a zero temp entered 9 times. Take out all those zeros and the avg actually was 71.59F, not 67.46F. USELESS DATA! I DO NOT rely on opinions, I want raw data. Let me decide. We came out of the Little Ice Age around 1850. Ice has been melting since then. If you look at NASA's own sea level chart, 1900-1918, you can see from about 1935 to 1955 a 75 mm rise. From 1998 to 2018 a 75 mm rise. So recent rise compares to 1930's. Then there was a lull from 1960 to 1980 in sea level rise. NASA says it's because MAN built dams. I'm not buying that! If you look at NASA's Global Temp chart you see a peak in 1942 and then a drop and lull through 1975. It is obvious this three decade temp lull slowed the rising oceans, not manmade dam projects. For me it's a credibility RED FLAG. Why would they say that? If you overlay Global Temps with sea level rise it's obvious. I have no doubt the yearly avg temps are most likely rising since 1850. Have no doubt the ocean temps are rising too since 1850. Have no doubt CO2 in atmosphere is rising. And have no doubt that CO2 diffuses heat radiation. In fact, looking at highest/lowest temp data it appears CO2 helps reduce the hottest days and warms the coldest nights. But it also may retain heat for longer +80, +90 degree days. Double-edge sword so to speak. What I do doubt is severe weather is worse, hurricanes are worse, wildfires are worse, droughts, floods, are worse. The data I see doesn't back it up. So my question is what caused the sea level to rise 75mm from 1935-55? What caused the Global Temp bump of 1940-42? What caused the Global temp lull from 1945-75? What caused 26 of the 50 states to have alltime high temps to set prior to 1939? What caused the great California flood of 1861, parts of Sacremento were 30' underwater. What caused the Southwest mega-drought of 1276-1299? The answer of course is Mother Nature. The earth doesn't stay the same like the thermostat in your house.
Good stuff.
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Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: As winters warm over the long term, cold extremes can still occur. Arctic warming can push polar air south. But overall, global heat records outpace cold records. For example, trend shows declining snow levels in the US for 9 straight years. Ya. There's a good article online explaining how global warming can push arctic systems southward into regions that don't get it so frequently. If global warming pushes arctic systems to southward regions that don't get it so frequently should not there be a slew of low record temps in soutward regions? Could you give some examples? Of course not. I know you were compiling data on highest highs and lowest lows but wouldn't average temp be more of an indicator? And ocean temp? And size of glaciers? I am using raw data that I see available to me. Unfortunately have not found average monthly/yearly temps at Extremeweatherwatch. Have found daily/monthly/yearly temps at weatherunderground going back to early 70's but wouldn't you know it the older data is corrupted with zero temps entered in to the mix. Example, I spent over two hours dissecting August of 1973 data for Midland Michigan. If you look for monthly avg you find 67.46F as the avg. When you drill down to daily records you find zero degree F entered many times over about half the days in the month. August 1st 1973 has a zero temp entered 9 times. Take out all those zeros and the avg actually was 71.59F, not 67.46F. USELESS DATA! I DO NOT rely on opinions, I want raw data. Let me decide. We came out of the Little Ice Age around 1850. Ice has been melting since then. If you look at NASA's own sea level chart, 1900-1918, you can see from about 1935 to 1955 a 75 mm rise. From 1998 to 2018 a 75 mm rise. So recent rise compares to 1930's. Then there was a lull from 1960 to 1980 in sea level rise. NASA says it's because MAN built dams. I'm not buying that! If you look at NASA's Global Temp chart you see a peak in 1942 and then a drop and lull through 1975. It is obvious this three decade temp lull slowed the rising oceans, not manmade dam projects. For me it's a credibility RED FLAG. Why would they say that? If you overlay Global Temps with sea level rise it's obvious. I have no doubt the yearly avg temps are most likely rising since 1850. Have no doubt the ocean temps are rising too since 1850. Have no doubt CO2 in atmosphere is rising. And have no doubt that CO2 diffuses heat radiation. In fact, looking at highest/lowest temp data it appears CO2 helps reduce the hottest days and warms the coldest nights. But it also may retain heat for longer +80, +90 degree days. Double-edge sword so to speak. What I do doubt is severe weather is worse, hurricanes are worse, wildfires are worse, droughts, floods, are worse. The data I see doesn't back it up. So my question is what caused the sea level to rise 75mm from 1935-55? What caused the Global Temp bump of 1940-42? What caused the Global temp lull from 1945-75? What caused 26 of the 50 states to have alltime high temps to set prior to 1939? What caused the great California flood of 1861, parts of Sacremento were 30' underwater. What caused the Southwest mega-drought of 1276-1299? The answer of course is Mother Nature. The earth doesn't stay the same like the thermostat in your house.
@UNIMAN Similar thoughts. Undeniable that we are increasing CO2 levels(ppm) to unprecedented levels through emissions (transport, food, manufacturing,daily life, etc etc...) and too a lesser extent deforestation (trees eat CO2) And that seems to be contributing to the speeding up of the melting of the ice cap in the arctic (north pole). Not sure if you have read about "the milankovitch cycles" but check it out if you haven't. It relates to how the earth warms and cools in correspondence with its location to the sun. And how that lines up with the ice ages in history
Yeah, remember learning about Milakovitch cycles. That and the solar systems 200 million year rotation around the Milky Way.
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Quote Originally Posted by dubz4dummyz:
@UNIMAN Similar thoughts. Undeniable that we are increasing CO2 levels(ppm) to unprecedented levels through emissions (transport, food, manufacturing,daily life, etc etc...) and too a lesser extent deforestation (trees eat CO2) And that seems to be contributing to the speeding up of the melting of the ice cap in the arctic (north pole). Not sure if you have read about "the milankovitch cycles" but check it out if you haven't. It relates to how the earth warms and cools in correspondence with its location to the sun. And how that lines up with the ice ages in history
Yeah, remember learning about Milakovitch cycles. That and the solar systems 200 million year rotation around the Milky Way.
Antarctic sea ice, despite global warming has increased in overall extent over the past 40 years. Then followed last year by.....-antarctic-sea-ice-hits-troubling-low-for-third-consecutive-year. Who is right? Flip a coin.
Antarctic sea ice is irrelevant in sea level rise or fall. Melting land ice contributes to sea level rise. The total behavior of all ice is causing a rise in sea level in the long term.
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Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:
Antarctic sea ice, despite global warming has increased in overall extent over the past 40 years. Then followed last year by.....-antarctic-sea-ice-hits-troubling-low-for-third-consecutive-year. Who is right? Flip a coin.
Antarctic sea ice is irrelevant in sea level rise or fall. Melting land ice contributes to sea level rise. The total behavior of all ice is causing a rise in sea level in the long term.
Climate science journal "Carbon brief" warns that Trump's plan to reverse Biden policies would worsen global warming. Increase in US emissions could be roughly equal to that of European union and Japan combined. Negating last 5 years of global progress twice over. Trump is a threat to future generations if re-elected.
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Climate science journal "Carbon brief" warns that Trump's plan to reverse Biden policies would worsen global warming. Increase in US emissions could be roughly equal to that of European union and Japan combined. Negating last 5 years of global progress twice over. Trump is a threat to future generations if re-elected.
Climate science journal "Carbon brief" warns that Trump's plan to reverse Biden policies would worsen global warming. Increase in US emissions could be roughly equal to that of European union and Japan combined. Negating last 5 years of global progress twice over. Trump is a threat to future generations if re-elected.
European Union and Japan combined represent 4.8 million sq km of the globe
United States is 9.8 sq km of the globe.
Larger footprint means less CO2 per sq km and more area for CO2 capturing plant life.
Since 2017 the United States has shaved a mere 0.15 billion tons of CO2 per year.
Meanwhile China added 1.39 billion tons per yr since 2017 and India added .40 billion tons yearly as compared to 2017.
Let's do the math; 1.39 + .40 = 1.79 - .15 = 1.64 more tons per yr despite all the money we spent. No wonder 2023 had the worst CO2 emissions ever.
Climate science journal "Carbon brief" warns that Trump's plan to reverse Biden policies would worsen global warming. Increase in US emissions could be roughly equal to that of European union and Japan combined. Negating last 5 years of global progress twice over. Trump is a threat to future generations if re-elected.
European Union and Japan combined represent 4.8 million sq km of the globe
United States is 9.8 sq km of the globe.
Larger footprint means less CO2 per sq km and more area for CO2 capturing plant life.
Since 2017 the United States has shaved a mere 0.15 billion tons of CO2 per year.
Meanwhile China added 1.39 billion tons per yr since 2017 and India added .40 billion tons yearly as compared to 2017.
Let's do the math; 1.39 + .40 = 1.79 - .15 = 1.64 more tons per yr despite all the money we spent. No wonder 2023 had the worst CO2 emissions ever.
MSNBC reports on DeSantis costly denial of climate change. Previously, he vetoed $200 million in federal funding for storm water projects to improve climate resilence. Now after storms, there is massive flooding for over 8 million Floridians in vulnerable areas. Average global temperature for the last 12 months is the highest on record according to Copernicus of European union.
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MSNBC reports on DeSantis costly denial of climate change. Previously, he vetoed $200 million in federal funding for storm water projects to improve climate resilence. Now after storms, there is massive flooding for over 8 million Floridians in vulnerable areas. Average global temperature for the last 12 months is the highest on record according to Copernicus of European union.
Copernicus of the Europeon Union was created not to provide facts, rather to promote climate change.
Copernicus is just one of many organizations that monitor environment to provide accurate data. Information useful for regional planning, agriculture, forestry, fisheries, health, civil protection, infrastructure, transport and tourism. 99% of top climate scientists worldwide agree that humans are responsible for global warming and climate change.
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Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:
Copernicus of the Europeon Union was created not to provide facts, rather to promote climate change.
Copernicus is just one of many organizations that monitor environment to provide accurate data. Information useful for regional planning, agriculture, forestry, fisheries, health, civil protection, infrastructure, transport and tourism. 99% of top climate scientists worldwide agree that humans are responsible for global warming and climate change.
Copernicus of the Europeon Union was created not to provide facts, rather to promote climate change. The highest yearly Florida precip was 1947, second 1959, third 1953, forth 1983. In the last 24 years the best yearly rainfall ranked 17th for data dating back to 1895. This year, maybe, just maybe they might get one in the top 10. And climate change activists will scream "told ya so".
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Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:
Copernicus of the Europeon Union was created not to provide facts, rather to promote climate change. The highest yearly Florida precip was 1947, second 1959, third 1953, forth 1983. In the last 24 years the best yearly rainfall ranked 17th for data dating back to 1895. This year, maybe, just maybe they might get one in the top 10. And climate change activists will scream "told ya so".
Yo it’s gonna be hot as balls next week . Thankfully I invented “ The Taint Pad “ to keep everything dry down there so it doesn’t get too most . My slogan you ask ?
“ The Taint Pad . It ain’t Bad .
“ Look for it in department stores near you or online where you can order through Amazon . It’s packaged in non descript brown paper like they used to do in the old days with Playboys and the like . So your nosy neighbor “ Bob “ doesn’t know that you have irregular sweat glands or so he doesn’t consider you “ soft “ cuz you can’t take the heat on your nuts “ like a real man “ , as he puts it .
BACK PATTING and KISSING threads are like passing HAM SANDWICHES around over and over-wall
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Yo it’s gonna be hot as balls next week . Thankfully I invented “ The Taint Pad “ to keep everything dry down there so it doesn’t get too most . My slogan you ask ?
“ The Taint Pad . It ain’t Bad .
“ Look for it in department stores near you or online where you can order through Amazon . It’s packaged in non descript brown paper like they used to do in the old days with Playboys and the like . So your nosy neighbor “ Bob “ doesn’t know that you have irregular sweat glands or so he doesn’t consider you “ soft “ cuz you can’t take the heat on your nuts “ like a real man “ , as he puts it .
The rising temperatures that scientists began warning about decades ago have become a reality. If re-elected, Trump could make it worse by reversing policies to combat global warming in the future. US heat dome is a warning about 2024 election.
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The rising temperatures that scientists began warning about decades ago have become a reality. If re-elected, Trump could make it worse by reversing policies to combat global warming in the future. US heat dome is a warning about 2024 election.
What about the snow in Montana and Wyoming, etc. right now. I hope Trump can fix that also.
Mountain snowpack is an important source of fresh water that is threatened by global warming. Some cities depend on one third of their water from melting snow. More snow in the winter is needed to ensure enough water in the summer.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
What about the snow in Montana and Wyoming, etc. right now. I hope Trump can fix that also.
Mountain snowpack is an important source of fresh water that is threatened by global warming. Some cities depend on one third of their water from melting snow. More snow in the winter is needed to ensure enough water in the summer.
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: What about the snow in Montana and Wyoming, etc. right now. I hope Trump can fix that also. Mountain snowpack is an important source of fresh water that is threatened by global warming. Some cities depend on one third of their water from melting snow. More snow in the winter is needed to ensure enough water in the summer.
I am talking about the snow that is occurring right now as Summer begins — not a winter snowpack.
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: What about the snow in Montana and Wyoming, etc. right now. I hope Trump can fix that also. Mountain snowpack is an important source of fresh water that is threatened by global warming. Some cities depend on one third of their water from melting snow. More snow in the winter is needed to ensure enough water in the summer.
I am talking about the snow that is occurring right now as Summer begins — not a winter snowpack.
OMG! The HEAT DOME! Call out the National Guard New York!
Did you know that nine out of the ten years of the 1970's New York City had 90 degree temps before June 20th. Today New York City is supposed to hit 90 for the first time this year.
But, but, it's several days in a row they crow!! In 1976 NYC had three days in a row of 90's, 9th, 10th, and 11th. Six 90 degree days for the month in 1976.
New City has not seen 100F since 2011. The longest drought of not seeing 100F since 1881 to 1898.
But it's ELECTION YEAR people.
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OMG! The HEAT DOME! Call out the National Guard New York!
Did you know that nine out of the ten years of the 1970's New York City had 90 degree temps before June 20th. Today New York City is supposed to hit 90 for the first time this year.
But, but, it's several days in a row they crow!! In 1976 NYC had three days in a row of 90's, 9th, 10th, and 11th. Six 90 degree days for the month in 1976.
New City has not seen 100F since 2011. The longest drought of not seeing 100F since 1881 to 1898.
The fact that Earth has been hotter in the past doesn't mean that current global warming is natural or harmless. Some past hot periods led to mass extinctions of species. Humans didn't exist during Earth's hottest periods. Deadly heat waves are made 35 times more likely by man-made climate change according to World weather attribution network of scientists.
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The fact that Earth has been hotter in the past doesn't mean that current global warming is natural or harmless. Some past hot periods led to mass extinctions of species. Humans didn't exist during Earth's hottest periods. Deadly heat waves are made 35 times more likely by man-made climate change according to World weather attribution network of scientists.
OMG! The HEAT DOME! Call out the National Guard New York! Did you know that nine out of the ten years of the 1970's New York City had 90 degree temps before June 20th. Today New York City is supposed to hit 90 for the first time this year. But, but, it's several days in a row they crow!! In 1976 NYC had three days in a row of 90's, 9th, 10th, and 11th of JUNE. Six 90 degree days for the month in 1976. New YORK City has not seen 100F since 2011. The longest drought of not seeing 100F since 1881 to 1898. But it's ELECTION YEAR people.
That's what I get for posting while heading out the door. Corrections in bold.
Saw Heat Wave defined as two or more unusally hot days. Ok, let's look at Detroit MI. Periods of 2 days or more above 90F.
Last 5 years (2019-2023) there were 13 times with two days or more of 90F. Longest duration was 8 days in a row. No 100+F temps.
Last 5 years of the 1970's (1975-1979) saw 16 times with two days or more of 90F. Longest duration was again, 8 days with one day above 100F.
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Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:
OMG! The HEAT DOME! Call out the National Guard New York! Did you know that nine out of the ten years of the 1970's New York City had 90 degree temps before June 20th. Today New York City is supposed to hit 90 for the first time this year. But, but, it's several days in a row they crow!! In 1976 NYC had three days in a row of 90's, 9th, 10th, and 11th of JUNE. Six 90 degree days for the month in 1976. New YORK City has not seen 100F since 2011. The longest drought of not seeing 100F since 1881 to 1898. But it's ELECTION YEAR people.
That's what I get for posting while heading out the door. Corrections in bold.
Saw Heat Wave defined as two or more unusally hot days. Ok, let's look at Detroit MI. Periods of 2 days or more above 90F.
Last 5 years (2019-2023) there were 13 times with two days or more of 90F. Longest duration was 8 days in a row. No 100+F temps.
Last 5 years of the 1970's (1975-1979) saw 16 times with two days or more of 90F. Longest duration was again, 8 days with one day above 100F.
2024 election is about the future of Earth according to professor Michael Mann from University of Pennsylvania. A second Trump presidency would be game over for climate action. On the left is democracy and environmental stewardship. On the right is fascism and planetary devastation.
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2024 election is about the future of Earth according to professor Michael Mann from University of Pennsylvania. A second Trump presidency would be game over for climate action. On the left is democracy and environmental stewardship. On the right is fascism and planetary devastation.
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