Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @MrWhatsItToYa Then wouldn't Texas sending them into other cities also be "supporting them"? Maybe you can make the argument they are tacitly but only because they are not in charge of deporting them, the Federal government is in charge of that. So, if they do not want to support them they shift that to a state that wants to support them. So, overall, no, they are not; they are shifting that support to another state.It's not "maybe" you can make that argument.That's exactly what it is,they are "supporting" the migrants efforts to not get deported and to use social services",just in other states.The other states aren't in charge of deporting them either.
In that case--if you want it to be binary -- the answer is NO. It is absolutely the opposite of that. The other states welcome them with open arms.
So, No, Texas is doing the opposite of supporting them.
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Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @MrWhatsItToYa Then wouldn't Texas sending them into other cities also be "supporting them"? Maybe you can make the argument they are tacitly but only because they are not in charge of deporting them, the Federal government is in charge of that. So, if they do not want to support them they shift that to a state that wants to support them. So, overall, no, they are not; they are shifting that support to another state.It's not "maybe" you can make that argument.That's exactly what it is,they are "supporting" the migrants efforts to not get deported and to use social services",just in other states.The other states aren't in charge of deporting them either.
In that case--if you want it to be binary -- the answer is NO. It is absolutely the opposite of that. The other states welcome them with open arms.
So, No, Texas is doing the opposite of supporting them.
@MrWhatsItToYa Is Texas wanting folks to come here (other cities) to avoid Federal deportation and use health and social services and enroll their children in school? No.
They sure are helping them not get deported by sending them to a sanctuary city.According to you isn't that the definition of a sanctuary city?A place that helps them not get deported?So by Texas sending them there,they are in fact "helping them not get deported",which is part of your definition of a sanctuary city.You can try to spin your way out of it,but that's according to your definition,not mine.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
@MrWhatsItToYa Is Texas wanting folks to come here (other cities) to avoid Federal deportation and use health and social services and enroll their children in school? No.
They sure are helping them not get deported by sending them to a sanctuary city.According to you isn't that the definition of a sanctuary city?A place that helps them not get deported?So by Texas sending them there,they are in fact "helping them not get deported",which is part of your definition of a sanctuary city.You can try to spin your way out of it,but that's according to your definition,not mine.
@MrWhatsItToYa The migrants don't get here unless Texas "supports their efforts' by sending them here Not, necessarily -- look back at what has happened before. When illegals realize that a state does not 'welcome' them as much as another to they cannot find work, etc. -- they will gravitate to other states by themselves. So, you can say Texas is accommodating them because they are all signing a waiver that they want to go to the other state. But, the main reason Texas is doing this part is because they do NOT want to support them, etc.
You said it yourself "they will gravitate to other states by themselves",that's not whats going on.Texas is supporting them by helping them get there to avoid deportation.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
@MrWhatsItToYa The migrants don't get here unless Texas "supports their efforts' by sending them here Not, necessarily -- look back at what has happened before. When illegals realize that a state does not 'welcome' them as much as another to they cannot find work, etc. -- they will gravitate to other states by themselves. So, you can say Texas is accommodating them because they are all signing a waiver that they want to go to the other state. But, the main reason Texas is doing this part is because they do NOT want to support them, etc.
You said it yourself "they will gravitate to other states by themselves",that's not whats going on.Texas is supporting them by helping them get there to avoid deportation.
@MrWhatsItToYa so I guess by your definition Texas is also supporting the migrants efforts to avoid Federal deportation and use health and social services. Again, no. The only 'support' they give them is to help them go somewhere else to be supported. They are making sure they do NOT have to continually support them. Absolutely they are NOT helping them avoid deportation -- they want them deported; BUT the Federal Government will not deport them. The Federal Government knows EXACTLY where they are if they ever want to deport them. Texas did not hide them; they tell everyone exactly where they are taking them.
By sending them to a sanctuary city,they sure are helping them avoid deportation.Thats the object of being in a sanctuary city,by your own definition.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
@MrWhatsItToYa so I guess by your definition Texas is also supporting the migrants efforts to avoid Federal deportation and use health and social services. Again, no. The only 'support' they give them is to help them go somewhere else to be supported. They are making sure they do NOT have to continually support them. Absolutely they are NOT helping them avoid deportation -- they want them deported; BUT the Federal Government will not deport them. The Federal Government knows EXACTLY where they are if they ever want to deport them. Texas did not hide them; they tell everyone exactly where they are taking them.
By sending them to a sanctuary city,they sure are helping them avoid deportation.Thats the object of being in a sanctuary city,by your own definition.
@MrWhatsItToYa Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @MrWhatsItToYa Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: @Raiders22 Again,I wasn't comparing an illegal immigration problem for a whole nation to one persons legal problems.I was comparing people justifying things in general.That Mugg thinks it's crazy how people can justify the issues going on with immigration.And that I think it's crazy that people can justify that 1 president supposedly should have absolute immunity,as those same people are looking for crimes a different president supposedly did.But the republican party is justifying this action. Who is saying this?Who is saying what? Who is saying that?
Umm,some republicans and trump and his lawyers.Isn't it supposed to go before the Supreme Court soon?
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
@MrWhatsItToYa Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @MrWhatsItToYa Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: @Raiders22 Again,I wasn't comparing an illegal immigration problem for a whole nation to one persons legal problems.I was comparing people justifying things in general.That Mugg thinks it's crazy how people can justify the issues going on with immigration.And that I think it's crazy that people can justify that 1 president supposedly should have absolute immunity,as those same people are looking for crimes a different president supposedly did.But the republican party is justifying this action. Who is saying this?Who is saying what? Who is saying that?
Umm,some republicans and trump and his lawyers.Isn't it supposed to go before the Supreme Court soon?
@MrWhatsItToYa Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @MrWhatsItToYa Then wouldn't Texas sending them into other cities also be "supporting them"? Maybe you can make the argument they are tacitly but only because they are not in charge of deporting them, the Federal government is in charge of that. So, if they do not want to support them they shift that to a state that wants to support them. So, overall, no, they are not; they are shifting that support to another state.It's not "maybe" you can make that argument.That's exactly what it is,they are "supporting" the migrants efforts to not get deported and to use social services",just in other states.The other states aren't in charge of deporting them either. In that case--if you want it to be binary -- the answer is NO. It is absolutely the opposite of that. The other states welcome them with open arms. So, No, Texas is doing the opposite of supporting them.
But the only way the migrants are getting there is by Texas "supporting" them by giving them a free bus ride.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
@MrWhatsItToYa Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @MrWhatsItToYa Then wouldn't Texas sending them into other cities also be "supporting them"? Maybe you can make the argument they are tacitly but only because they are not in charge of deporting them, the Federal government is in charge of that. So, if they do not want to support them they shift that to a state that wants to support them. So, overall, no, they are not; they are shifting that support to another state.It's not "maybe" you can make that argument.That's exactly what it is,they are "supporting" the migrants efforts to not get deported and to use social services",just in other states.The other states aren't in charge of deporting them either. In that case--if you want it to be binary -- the answer is NO. It is absolutely the opposite of that. The other states welcome them with open arms. So, No, Texas is doing the opposite of supporting them.
But the only way the migrants are getting there is by Texas "supporting" them by giving them a free bus ride.
They sure are helping them not get deported by sending them to a sanctuary city.According to you isn't that the definition of a sanctuary city?A place that helps them not get deported?So by Texas sending them there,they are in fact "helping them not get deported",which is part of your definition of a sanctuary city.You can try to spin your way out of it,but that's according to your definition,not mine.
No. They are NOT getting deported in Texas either -- that is the point. Moving them somewhere else so Texas does not have to support them is not supporting them.
That is not my definition of 'sanctuary city' -- you can find that online.
Its is not spin; it is FACT -- they are moving them out of Texas so they do NOT have to support them. Texas does NOT want them and the Federal Government will not deport them, period -- from either state.
Again, that is the definition online.
Bottomline they are out of Texas and Texas no longer has to support them or worry about them. This is not hard to comprehend -- you are just pretending you do not get it.
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They sure are helping them not get deported by sending them to a sanctuary city.According to you isn't that the definition of a sanctuary city?A place that helps them not get deported?So by Texas sending them there,they are in fact "helping them not get deported",which is part of your definition of a sanctuary city.You can try to spin your way out of it,but that's according to your definition,not mine.
No. They are NOT getting deported in Texas either -- that is the point. Moving them somewhere else so Texas does not have to support them is not supporting them.
That is not my definition of 'sanctuary city' -- you can find that online.
Its is not spin; it is FACT -- they are moving them out of Texas so they do NOT have to support them. Texas does NOT want them and the Federal Government will not deport them, period -- from either state.
Again, that is the definition online.
Bottomline they are out of Texas and Texas no longer has to support them or worry about them. This is not hard to comprehend -- you are just pretending you do not get it.
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @MrWhatsItToYa The migrants don't get here unless Texas "supports their efforts' by sending them here Not, necessarily -- look back at what has happened before. When illegals realize that a state does not 'welcome' them as much as another to they cannot find work, etc. -- they will gravitate to other states by themselves. So, you can say Texas is accommodating them because they are all signing a waiver that they want to go to the other state. But, the main reason Texas is doing this part is because they do NOT want to support them, etc.You said it yourself "they will gravitate to other states by themselves",that's not whats going on.Texas is supporting them by helping them get there to avoid deportation.
No. That is NOT the reason Texas is moving them. Texas wants them deported. IF Texas knew they would be deported if they held them for the Feds -- they would hold them to be deported.
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Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @MrWhatsItToYa The migrants don't get here unless Texas "supports their efforts' by sending them here Not, necessarily -- look back at what has happened before. When illegals realize that a state does not 'welcome' them as much as another to they cannot find work, etc. -- they will gravitate to other states by themselves. So, you can say Texas is accommodating them because they are all signing a waiver that they want to go to the other state. But, the main reason Texas is doing this part is because they do NOT want to support them, etc.You said it yourself "they will gravitate to other states by themselves",that's not whats going on.Texas is supporting them by helping them get there to avoid deportation.
No. That is NOT the reason Texas is moving them. Texas wants them deported. IF Texas knew they would be deported if they held them for the Feds -- they would hold them to be deported.
@Raiders22 Other states wouldn't be able to welcome them with open arms,unless Texas supports them by giving them a free bus ride there.
This is also untrue. As I pointed out, some have other states as a final destination in mind already; Texas just speed that process up so they can get rid of them and not have to support them.
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Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:
@Raiders22 Other states wouldn't be able to welcome them with open arms,unless Texas supports them by giving them a free bus ride there.
This is also untrue. As I pointed out, some have other states as a final destination in mind already; Texas just speed that process up so they can get rid of them and not have to support them.
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @MrWhatsItToYa Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @MrWhatsItToYa Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: @Raiders22 Again,I wasn't comparing an illegal immigration problem for a whole nation to one persons legal problems.I was comparing people justifying things in general.That Mugg thinks it's crazy how people can justify the issues going on with immigration.And that I think it's crazy that people can justify that 1 president supposedly should have absolute immunity,as those same people are looking for crimes a different president supposedly did.But the republican party is justifying this action. Who is saying this?Who is saying what? Who is saying that?Umm,some republicans and trump and his lawyers.Isn't it supposed to go before the Supreme Court soon?
Who? So, no one on here?
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Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @MrWhatsItToYa Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @MrWhatsItToYa Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: @Raiders22 Again,I wasn't comparing an illegal immigration problem for a whole nation to one persons legal problems.I was comparing people justifying things in general.That Mugg thinks it's crazy how people can justify the issues going on with immigration.And that I think it's crazy that people can justify that 1 president supposedly should have absolute immunity,as those same people are looking for crimes a different president supposedly did.But the republican party is justifying this action. Who is saying this?Who is saying what? Who is saying that?Umm,some republicans and trump and his lawyers.Isn't it supposed to go before the Supreme Court soon?
So you are saying that Texas is not intentionally bussing migrants to "liberal" destinations to make a point? If so I think you are mistaken. Why would Texas ship people up to New York when there are places of less distance to bus? To me it is a ploy, a tactic it is antagonistic and intentional. They are trying to force the issue and are using those people as pawns to their game. I am not siding with the deportation topic and saying open border and people should stay rather that Texas is taking specific and targeted steps to make their point.
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So you are saying that Texas is not intentionally bussing migrants to "liberal" destinations to make a point? If so I think you are mistaken. Why would Texas ship people up to New York when there are places of less distance to bus? To me it is a ploy, a tactic it is antagonistic and intentional. They are trying to force the issue and are using those people as pawns to their game. I am not siding with the deportation topic and saying open border and people should stay rather that Texas is taking specific and targeted steps to make their point.
No, I think you and others cannot have constructive conversations with anyone when your hate or dislike for a person you don't know is so great that it clouds any interaction one could have with you...imagine if every post that others make is about Biden all the time every time....kind of annoying and places you in a weak position about having a discussion...in a post/reply that has nothing to do about Trump but rather your dual accounts on COVERS you can't pass up the opportunity to slander Trump when that reply/discussion had nothing whatsoever to do with Trump....that was the point of my post and your response to that just proved my point...
A lot of you hate someone so much that you can't have conversations with you because your judgement is clouded...to then nines even....when you are interjecting Trump hate into posts and responses that are not even germane to the topic then you can already tell where that person is or stands....some of you are just filled with hate that you can't even see what my post was telling you....stop posting about Trump hate when no one is even talking about Trump....the discussion was about your two user accounts and that had nothing to do with Trump...yet, you can't even see what you are doing....
COVERS allows u to tell someone they are sexually frustrated so long as ur hands are clean
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No, I think you and others cannot have constructive conversations with anyone when your hate or dislike for a person you don't know is so great that it clouds any interaction one could have with you...imagine if every post that others make is about Biden all the time every time....kind of annoying and places you in a weak position about having a discussion...in a post/reply that has nothing to do about Trump but rather your dual accounts on COVERS you can't pass up the opportunity to slander Trump when that reply/discussion had nothing whatsoever to do with Trump....that was the point of my post and your response to that just proved my point...
A lot of you hate someone so much that you can't have conversations with you because your judgement is clouded...to then nines even....when you are interjecting Trump hate into posts and responses that are not even germane to the topic then you can already tell where that person is or stands....some of you are just filled with hate that you can't even see what my post was telling you....stop posting about Trump hate when no one is even talking about Trump....the discussion was about your two user accounts and that had nothing to do with Trump...yet, you can't even see what you are doing....
I am not siding with the deportation topic and saying open border and people should stay rather that Texas is taking specific and targeted steps to make their point.
Okay. I guess it is working then, since everyone seems to get their point.
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I am not siding with the deportation topic and saying open border and people should stay rather that Texas is taking specific and targeted steps to make their point.
Okay. I guess it is working then, since everyone seems to get their point.
No problem...I think using people of any origin as pawns for a political purpose is putrid and disgusting. What is worse is people applaud and support behavior like that because they think the goal is worth the tactic.
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No problem...I think using people of any origin as pawns for a political purpose is putrid and disgusting. What is worse is people applaud and support behavior like that because they think the goal is worth the tactic.
@Raiders22 No problem...I think using people of any origin as pawns for a political purpose is putrid and disgusting. What is worse is people applaud and support behavior like that because they think the goal is worth the tactic.
If that was the sole purpose, sure. But the folks would rather be in a place that wants them and can help them anyway.
What should they do? Just ask for more money from the states that are okay with illegals?
You can easily make the point that the other side is allowing the illegals in as political pawns as well -- very easy to make that case even easier I think.
But, nonetheless, it needs to be resolved better -- and not simply allowing illegals to enter and even encouraging it.
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
@Raiders22 No problem...I think using people of any origin as pawns for a political purpose is putrid and disgusting. What is worse is people applaud and support behavior like that because they think the goal is worth the tactic.
If that was the sole purpose, sure. But the folks would rather be in a place that wants them and can help them anyway.
What should they do? Just ask for more money from the states that are okay with illegals?
You can easily make the point that the other side is allowing the illegals in as political pawns as well -- very easy to make that case even easier I think.
But, nonetheless, it needs to be resolved better -- and not simply allowing illegals to enter and even encouraging it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYwLYMPLYbo Candidate Biden called on Illegal immigrants to surge the border. Now he claims he never said that. Biden's strategy , should i say the one of his handlers , is very simple. 1) Get as many illegal immigrants in the country 2) Legalize them to create a permanent majority , a one party country This is why they are encouraging so much illegal immigration , official numbers are what , like 9 million since he took office , estimates say it could be up to 20 million by now. Simple , yet effective.
those comments in there are right...that should be on loop...that is hilarious....
COVERS allows u to tell someone they are sexually frustrated so long as ur hands are clean
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYwLYMPLYbo Candidate Biden called on Illegal immigrants to surge the border. Now he claims he never said that. Biden's strategy , should i say the one of his handlers , is very simple. 1) Get as many illegal immigrants in the country 2) Legalize them to create a permanent majority , a one party country This is why they are encouraging so much illegal immigration , official numbers are what , like 9 million since he took office , estimates say it could be up to 20 million by now. Simple , yet effective.
those comments in there are right...that should be on loop...that is hilarious....
Speaker Johnson released a document of 64 actions taken by Biden and his administration undermining Border security and "encouraging illegal immigration" on January 31st , mostly by "Executive actions"
Speaker Johnson released a document of 64 actions taken by Biden and his administration undermining Border security and "encouraging illegal immigration" on January 31st , mostly by "Executive actions"
Biden's strategy. 1) Get as many illegal immigrants in the country 2) Legalize them to create a permanent majority , a one party country This is why they are encouraging so much illegal immigration
Great replacement conspiracy theory is absurd. Based on false assumptions that all immigrants are democrats and that no longer being the majority group means a loss of power. Biden administration is doing almost everything legal to reduce illegal immigration. The problem is that immigration officials aren't able to keep up with demand from global displacement of populations. Adding more officers and judges could help. No president has the authority to simply shut down border to violate asylum laws.
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Quote Originally Posted by Barbarossa:
Biden's strategy. 1) Get as many illegal immigrants in the country 2) Legalize them to create a permanent majority , a one party country This is why they are encouraging so much illegal immigration
Great replacement conspiracy theory is absurd. Based on false assumptions that all immigrants are democrats and that no longer being the majority group means a loss of power. Biden administration is doing almost everything legal to reduce illegal immigration. The problem is that immigration officials aren't able to keep up with demand from global displacement of populations. Adding more officers and judges could help. No president has the authority to simply shut down border to violate asylum laws.
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