Trump had it correct and had Mexico helping. Now Mexico is telling Biden how it will be and they even said to the Texas Gov. that they will refuse taking back illegals. Joe Biden is the weakest President in my lifetime.
Watch how the Biden migrant crime plays out in the coming years and decades. It will be the Country biggest problem by far as the gangs, out-of-control crime, drugs, sex workers and murders become normal. Biden will be long gone but the horror he created will be with us for decades.
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@Raiders22
Trump had it correct and had Mexico helping. Now Mexico is telling Biden how it will be and they even said to the Texas Gov. that they will refuse taking back illegals. Joe Biden is the weakest President in my lifetime.
Watch how the Biden migrant crime plays out in the coming years and decades. It will be the Country biggest problem by far as the gangs, out-of-control crime, drugs, sex workers and murders become normal. Biden will be long gone but the horror he created will be with us for decades.
How was Mexico helping? Outside of what Trump tells you on social media and exaggerates ad nauseum what has Mexico done to help at all? This is not just a Mexico issue as we know many people are coming up from other countries THROUGH Mexico, so how can Mexico help anything, they have horrendous cartels, destitute impoverished citizens they have no tax base they have massive police corruption. Did Trump tell you that Mexico was helping or just that he was going to force Mexico to pay for the wall?
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@witswits
How was Mexico helping? Outside of what Trump tells you on social media and exaggerates ad nauseum what has Mexico done to help at all? This is not just a Mexico issue as we know many people are coming up from other countries THROUGH Mexico, so how can Mexico help anything, they have horrendous cartels, destitute impoverished citizens they have no tax base they have massive police corruption. Did Trump tell you that Mexico was helping or just that he was going to force Mexico to pay for the wall?
Backward thinking...you think and many of your pals think that making some wall will stop illegals from coming or that somehow hilariously Mexico is going to have ANY impact on what happens at the border. There is no history or any means that Mexico has the ability to police or influence what their citizens or citizens of other countries do.
Its ok that you do not see the importance of a database, I disagree with that approach as I think information and history of a foreign individual has enormous benefit and maybe if we knew of certain individuals who were of high risk and danger we might be able to be looking for them. One thing I really like about the UK and Europe is the use of CCTV and shared databases, those countries work together because why would we even think that the US can control or eliminate a problem on our own even with a useless wall that is not monitored and without the proper funding and personnel required to even do a half baked job.
A single politician even as a leader being blamed for a multi decade long problem created by ineptitude of thousands is par for the course with the shallow minded public.
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@Raiders22
Backward thinking...you think and many of your pals think that making some wall will stop illegals from coming or that somehow hilariously Mexico is going to have ANY impact on what happens at the border. There is no history or any means that Mexico has the ability to police or influence what their citizens or citizens of other countries do.
Its ok that you do not see the importance of a database, I disagree with that approach as I think information and history of a foreign individual has enormous benefit and maybe if we knew of certain individuals who were of high risk and danger we might be able to be looking for them. One thing I really like about the UK and Europe is the use of CCTV and shared databases, those countries work together because why would we even think that the US can control or eliminate a problem on our own even with a useless wall that is not monitored and without the proper funding and personnel required to even do a half baked job.
A single politician even as a leader being blamed for a multi decade long problem created by ineptitude of thousands is par for the course with the shallow minded public.
Really? Even the Leftist media outlets PBS and NPR did articles and shows about Mexico was helping after Trump asked (pressured) them to.
Now, the asylum program was causing some issues with their border towns being overwhelmed with having them held.
But, for sure, both of those programs (policies) were working somewhat.
Then what did Biden do? First thing he did was repeal them.
It would be simple for Biden to come up with his own plan if he does not want to go back to Trump's things; but he does not want to do anything about it at all.
He just made a show of appointing Harris the czar and she has done nothing; the Left thought the issue would go away after they did that little tidbit.
That is why I say the Democrats are underestimating this issue.
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Really? Even the Leftist media outlets PBS and NPR did articles and shows about Mexico was helping after Trump asked (pressured) them to.
Now, the asylum program was causing some issues with their border towns being overwhelmed with having them held.
But, for sure, both of those programs (policies) were working somewhat.
Then what did Biden do? First thing he did was repeal them.
It would be simple for Biden to come up with his own plan if he does not want to go back to Trump's things; but he does not want to do anything about it at all.
He just made a show of appointing Harris the czar and she has done nothing; the Left thought the issue would go away after they did that little tidbit.
That is why I say the Democrats are underestimating this issue.
When have I ever said anything about a wall? I have not. I have repeatedly said it can -- and should -- be done without a wall.
But if folks want a wall -- it can only help.
Maybe you have not kept up with Mexico and their history as well as you think. Or maybe you have recency bias about Mexico.
Database is fine -- if that is what you folks want to do. Go fingerprint every citizen in Mexico and get a background check on everyone and then send it to the USA. You think Mexico is going to do that -- even for themselves? The USA does not even have a database like that to hand out if another country were to ask for it.
Of course you like the databases and the CCTV -- you love government programs like that -- everyone on the Left sees it and thinks it is wonderful.
But what has it really done -- look at their crime now. Look at the issues they still have even with these things in place. Why? Because they were not -- and still are not -- enforcing their own laws and holding criminals accountable. It certainly has not helped with their immigrant problem nor illegal problem.
They are sharing databases on known criminals -- NOT some random illegal that has changed to a fake identity. That is not different than what Mexico and the USA currently do with known criminals or any other countries around the world. These are NOT databases with everyone possible on them. No sane person wants that invasion of privacy I hope.
It is certainly not much help in those countries now -- a lot of them are dumpster fires right now even with all of that in place. They may be working together -- but it is not working any better.
Yes, whomever is in charge of something that they can influence and to some extent control AND does NOTHING has to be blamed.
Yes, I absolutely blame Biden for making it worse AND not addressing it. Who cares when the problem started -- his job is to fix it or at least try to.
Blame Congress more if you like -- certainly some of them have been in office for decades -- INCLUDING Biden.
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@wallstreetcappers
When have I ever said anything about a wall? I have not. I have repeatedly said it can -- and should -- be done without a wall.
But if folks want a wall -- it can only help.
Maybe you have not kept up with Mexico and their history as well as you think. Or maybe you have recency bias about Mexico.
Database is fine -- if that is what you folks want to do. Go fingerprint every citizen in Mexico and get a background check on everyone and then send it to the USA. You think Mexico is going to do that -- even for themselves? The USA does not even have a database like that to hand out if another country were to ask for it.
Of course you like the databases and the CCTV -- you love government programs like that -- everyone on the Left sees it and thinks it is wonderful.
But what has it really done -- look at their crime now. Look at the issues they still have even with these things in place. Why? Because they were not -- and still are not -- enforcing their own laws and holding criminals accountable. It certainly has not helped with their immigrant problem nor illegal problem.
They are sharing databases on known criminals -- NOT some random illegal that has changed to a fake identity. That is not different than what Mexico and the USA currently do with known criminals or any other countries around the world. These are NOT databases with everyone possible on them. No sane person wants that invasion of privacy I hope.
It is certainly not much help in those countries now -- a lot of them are dumpster fires right now even with all of that in place. They may be working together -- but it is not working any better.
Yes, whomever is in charge of something that they can influence and to some extent control AND does NOTHING has to be blamed.
Yes, I absolutely blame Biden for making it worse AND not addressing it. Who cares when the problem started -- his job is to fix it or at least try to.
Blame Congress more if you like -- certainly some of them have been in office for decades -- INCLUDING Biden.
Of course you blame Biden, it furthers your partisan narrative. What happens when the next GOP guy gets in the seat and problems still exist? Is it back to blaming the LIBERAL media and that congress blocks what the honest awesome GOP doob in the seat is trying to do? Is that the next conspiracy target?
And you are correct, I have zero confidence in anything relative to Mexico and I would say my eyesight from Arizona gives me some perspective that many do not have. I am quite confident in my understanding of Mexico but I take it from local knowledge and personal experience not from a crooked politician or some right wing media sources.
In reality you like most of your associates are not really interested in a solution just a finger to point at and someone on another party to blame. The funds and resources required to make an impact on the border are a massive multiple more than the US would ever invest...and invest and invest and invest. The opposing individuals are more motivated, more flexible and have more resources than the US does, more than the UK does more than Sweden or any country that has an illegals issue does. The politician in charge cannot make a problem go away or even remotely improve without resources and people to make it happen.
I also find it a bit curious how the GOP guys in here and in the mind numbing media say stupid things like Biden reversed blah blah blah and give no context just a blame flame thrower and chomping points but never context...why did Biden "change" things, what from the other perspective is the reason? It would be groovy conversation if doobs from your side were to give non-partisan details on why decisions are made rather than the tired lame blaming finger pointing we hear without end. Even though the DNC and liberals are the blame for everything, nothing is black and white crystal clear, I would enjoy non biased discord about the topic....but that never happens.
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@Raiders22
Of course you blame Biden, it furthers your partisan narrative. What happens when the next GOP guy gets in the seat and problems still exist? Is it back to blaming the LIBERAL media and that congress blocks what the honest awesome GOP doob in the seat is trying to do? Is that the next conspiracy target?
And you are correct, I have zero confidence in anything relative to Mexico and I would say my eyesight from Arizona gives me some perspective that many do not have. I am quite confident in my understanding of Mexico but I take it from local knowledge and personal experience not from a crooked politician or some right wing media sources.
In reality you like most of your associates are not really interested in a solution just a finger to point at and someone on another party to blame. The funds and resources required to make an impact on the border are a massive multiple more than the US would ever invest...and invest and invest and invest. The opposing individuals are more motivated, more flexible and have more resources than the US does, more than the UK does more than Sweden or any country that has an illegals issue does. The politician in charge cannot make a problem go away or even remotely improve without resources and people to make it happen.
I also find it a bit curious how the GOP guys in here and in the mind numbing media say stupid things like Biden reversed blah blah blah and give no context just a blame flame thrower and chomping points but never context...why did Biden "change" things, what from the other perspective is the reason? It would be groovy conversation if doobs from your side were to give non-partisan details on why decisions are made rather than the tired lame blaming finger pointing we hear without end. Even though the DNC and liberals are the blame for everything, nothing is black and white crystal clear, I would enjoy non biased discord about the topic....but that never happens.
Then I blame the GOP guy -- IF he does NOT do anything about it. I said at the outset of this that both parties have some blame.
Of course they all do. But bottom line is that whomever is in office now made it worse than it was -- or at least allowed it -- and that is Biden.
Yes, it for sure fits my narrative because overall the Democrats are awful on this issue -- this is evidenced by what has happened since Biden took over.
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@wallstreetcappers
Then I blame the GOP guy -- IF he does NOT do anything about it. I said at the outset of this that both parties have some blame.
Of course they all do. But bottom line is that whomever is in office now made it worse than it was -- or at least allowed it -- and that is Biden.
Yes, it for sure fits my narrative because overall the Democrats are awful on this issue -- this is evidenced by what has happened since Biden took over.
Is it back to blaming the LIBERAL media and that congress blocks what the honest awesome GOP doob in the seat is trying to do? Is that the next conspiracy target?
I would absolutely blame the Liberal Media when it is true -- certainly they push the Left's narrative. Not sure why you insist on name calling? I do not know what that has to do with making your point. They have a different view on the issue and think it is important -- just because they disagree with your view, that does not add anything constructive to them addressing the problem.
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@wallstreetcappers
Is it back to blaming the LIBERAL media and that congress blocks what the honest awesome GOP doob in the seat is trying to do? Is that the next conspiracy target?
I would absolutely blame the Liberal Media when it is true -- certainly they push the Left's narrative. Not sure why you insist on name calling? I do not know what that has to do with making your point. They have a different view on the issue and think it is important -- just because they disagree with your view, that does not add anything constructive to them addressing the problem.
In reality you like most of your associates are not really interested in a solution just a finger to point at and someone on another party to blame.
This is 100% wrong on one point and maybe 80% right on the other point. I do not think you realize they are two separate points though.
YES, WE want a solution and have suggested many of them. Yes, we point the finger at the party that has made this worse BUT we also blame BOTH parties for not fixing it. BUT at least the Right 'attempts' to address it, while the Left does not acknowledge that it is a problem.
That is the hard part to consolidate on those two very separate points.
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@wallstreetcappers
In reality you like most of your associates are not really interested in a solution just a finger to point at and someone on another party to blame.
This is 100% wrong on one point and maybe 80% right on the other point. I do not think you realize they are two separate points though.
YES, WE want a solution and have suggested many of them. Yes, we point the finger at the party that has made this worse BUT we also blame BOTH parties for not fixing it. BUT at least the Right 'attempts' to address it, while the Left does not acknowledge that it is a problem.
That is the hard part to consolidate on those two very separate points.
I also find it a bit curious how the GOP guys in here and in the mind numbing media say stupid things like Biden reversed blah blah blah and give no context just a blame flame thrower and chomping points but never context...why did Biden "change" things, what from the other perspective is the reason?
Nothing amusing about it at all. It was a very bad decisions and made the problem worse.
Again, 'stupid' is not the correct wording to use. It is an honest statement and there is a direct correlation to worsening the problem.
It is not a secret why he changed them. The context should be almost self-evident.
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@wallstreetcappers
I also find it a bit curious how the GOP guys in here and in the mind numbing media say stupid things like Biden reversed blah blah blah and give no context just a blame flame thrower and chomping points but never context...why did Biden "change" things, what from the other perspective is the reason?
Nothing amusing about it at all. It was a very bad decisions and made the problem worse.
Again, 'stupid' is not the correct wording to use. It is an honest statement and there is a direct correlation to worsening the problem.
It is not a secret why he changed them. The context should be almost self-evident.
It would be groovy conversation if doobs from your side were to give non-partisan details on why decisions are made rather than the tired lame blaming finger pointing we hear without end. Even though the DNC and liberals are the blame for everything, nothing is black and white crystal clear, I would enjoy non biased discord about the topic....but that never happens.
Again, it is a very, very partisan issue. Therefore, you CANNOT give non-partisan reasons for what happened and why -- IT WAS TOTALLY PARTISAN.
This is as very clear and as black and white as can be. The Left just does not want to admit it.
You can look at numbers and that would give you all the unbiased you need to see. You can look at all the extraneous stuff that comes with it and see that in an unbiased manner.
You must NOT have seen all of the Rightwing pundits that were livid with Trump for NOT doing more on this.
This is not like discussing a sports issue or a weather event -- this is very, very partisan and biased no matter what you try to bring into the discussion.
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@wallstreetcappers
It would be groovy conversation if doobs from your side were to give non-partisan details on why decisions are made rather than the tired lame blaming finger pointing we hear without end. Even though the DNC and liberals are the blame for everything, nothing is black and white crystal clear, I would enjoy non biased discord about the topic....but that never happens.
Again, it is a very, very partisan issue. Therefore, you CANNOT give non-partisan reasons for what happened and why -- IT WAS TOTALLY PARTISAN.
This is as very clear and as black and white as can be. The Left just does not want to admit it.
You can look at numbers and that would give you all the unbiased you need to see. You can look at all the extraneous stuff that comes with it and see that in an unbiased manner.
You must NOT have seen all of the Rightwing pundits that were livid with Trump for NOT doing more on this.
This is not like discussing a sports issue or a weather event -- this is very, very partisan and biased no matter what you try to bring into the discussion.
I am not so sure why you think you have to take anything from a 'local' or a rightwing media about Mexico. You can look on the Internet and find all of this stuff out from very straightforward sources about their polices and stances and past actions on this. There are places that actually study all of these countries and their past policies and think tanks that discuss what their future actions may be. Perception or anecdotal stories are not good evidence on historical data.
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@wallstreetcappers
I am not so sure why you think you have to take anything from a 'local' or a rightwing media about Mexico. You can look on the Internet and find all of this stuff out from very straightforward sources about their polices and stances and past actions on this. There are places that actually study all of these countries and their past policies and think tanks that discuss what their future actions may be. Perception or anecdotal stories are not good evidence on historical data.
You just did exactly what I was suggesting...I say it would be great to have a non-partisan conversation where details and truth were discussed not just blame throwing and yet that is exactly what your revert to. There is no altruism with politics and society there is no right party and wrong party there is no single finger blame there is nothing which is absolute and yet that is what you drive home over and over.
And yes one sided partisan nonsense is stupid...yup it is stupid. Narrow, closed minded blame throwing is stupid and that goes for both sides. I do not think you have a clue about a solution and neither does your party, neither does either party. Its always an election cycle when the extremists start pounding the pavement with woe blaming to get someone elected...never ever is there a solution or a plan, never a step in a positive direction just a step towards the voter booth and when that is done we move to real life until the next time a politician wants to sucker punch the voter again.
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@Raiders22
You just did exactly what I was suggesting...I say it would be great to have a non-partisan conversation where details and truth were discussed not just blame throwing and yet that is exactly what your revert to. There is no altruism with politics and society there is no right party and wrong party there is no single finger blame there is nothing which is absolute and yet that is what you drive home over and over.
And yes one sided partisan nonsense is stupid...yup it is stupid. Narrow, closed minded blame throwing is stupid and that goes for both sides. I do not think you have a clue about a solution and neither does your party, neither does either party. Its always an election cycle when the extremists start pounding the pavement with woe blaming to get someone elected...never ever is there a solution or a plan, never a step in a positive direction just a step towards the voter booth and when that is done we move to real life until the next time a politician wants to sucker punch the voter again.
@Raiders22 You just did exactly what I was suggesting...I say it would be great to have a non-partisan conversation where details and truth were discussed not just blame throwing and yet that is exactly what your revert to. There is no altruism with politics and society there is no right party and wrong party there is no single finger blame there is nothing which is absolute and yet that is what you drive home over and over. And yes one sided partisan nonsense is stupid...yup it is stupid. Narrow, closed minded blame throwing is stupid and that goes for both sides. I do not think you have a clue about a solution and neither does your party, neither does either party. Its always an election cycle when the extremists start pounding the pavement with woe blaming to get someone elected...never ever is there a solution or a plan, never a step in a positive direction just a step towards the voter booth and when that is done we move to real life until the next time a politician wants to sucker punch the voter again.
Again, you have to answer if it is a problem first. That is exactly where the bias breaks down. Even the ones on the Left that think it is a problem do not think it is a big problem. Those on the Right see it as a huge problem.
So, they have to BLAME those that mad what they think is a big problem worse. How can that be anything BUT partisan?
Narrow closed minded blame throignis no worse than the name calling for the other side.
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@wallstreetcappers
Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
@Raiders22 You just did exactly what I was suggesting...I say it would be great to have a non-partisan conversation where details and truth were discussed not just blame throwing and yet that is exactly what your revert to. There is no altruism with politics and society there is no right party and wrong party there is no single finger blame there is nothing which is absolute and yet that is what you drive home over and over. And yes one sided partisan nonsense is stupid...yup it is stupid. Narrow, closed minded blame throwing is stupid and that goes for both sides. I do not think you have a clue about a solution and neither does your party, neither does either party. Its always an election cycle when the extremists start pounding the pavement with woe blaming to get someone elected...never ever is there a solution or a plan, never a step in a positive direction just a step towards the voter booth and when that is done we move to real life until the next time a politician wants to sucker punch the voter again.
Again, you have to answer if it is a problem first. That is exactly where the bias breaks down. Even the ones on the Left that think it is a problem do not think it is a big problem. Those on the Right see it as a huge problem.
So, they have to BLAME those that mad what they think is a big problem worse. How can that be anything BUT partisan?
Narrow closed minded blame throignis no worse than the name calling for the other side.
I do not think you have a clue about a solution and neither does your party, neither does either party.
Then you simply have not been paying attention.
The better question is what would be your solution if not what was working OR what I, or others, have suggested?
What would be your solution -- because I do not think you have a clue about a solution either -- BECAUSE I am not even sure you think it is a problem.
I have not seen you suggest anything all.
You just do what you normally do -- come in here and say anyone that complains about it is biased and partisan. So what? Of course they are. I just explained to you this is a fundamental disagreement, politically.
The issue would be at least for the Left to decide that it is a problem -- they do not.
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@wallstreetcappers
I do not think you have a clue about a solution and neither does your party, neither does either party.
Then you simply have not been paying attention.
The better question is what would be your solution if not what was working OR what I, or others, have suggested?
What would be your solution -- because I do not think you have a clue about a solution either -- BECAUSE I am not even sure you think it is a problem.
I have not seen you suggest anything all.
You just do what you normally do -- come in here and say anyone that complains about it is biased and partisan. So what? Of course they are. I just explained to you this is a fundamental disagreement, politically.
The issue would be at least for the Left to decide that it is a problem -- they do not.
Its always an election cycle when the extremists start pounding the pavement with woe blaming to get someone elected...never ever is there a solution or a plan, never a step in a positive direction just a step towards the voter booth and when that is done we move to real life until the next time a politician wants to sucker punch the voter again.
This is very true. As soon as Democrats get in they make it worse. Then the Republicans use it as a campaign issue to get elected.
AND THEN they get in office and THEY do very little also.
It seems to me it is going to have to get very bad before both parties decide to at least compromise enough to put in better policies and enforce the border better.
Again, remember the tremendous heat Trump took after he did not do enough? Now there are folks that will stay home and NOT vote for Trump because of this ONE issue. It is that important to them; but it has never been that important to the other side.
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@wallstreetcappers
Its always an election cycle when the extremists start pounding the pavement with woe blaming to get someone elected...never ever is there a solution or a plan, never a step in a positive direction just a step towards the voter booth and when that is done we move to real life until the next time a politician wants to sucker punch the voter again.
This is very true. As soon as Democrats get in they make it worse. Then the Republicans use it as a campaign issue to get elected.
AND THEN they get in office and THEY do very little also.
It seems to me it is going to have to get very bad before both parties decide to at least compromise enough to put in better policies and enforce the border better.
Again, remember the tremendous heat Trump took after he did not do enough? Now there are folks that will stay home and NOT vote for Trump because of this ONE issue. It is that important to them; but it has never been that important to the other side.
Hilarious...you hide behind partisan blame in every single message you make. Your party is just as faulted and flawed as the other party and any party, and that reality is the answer to your question of origin to the or any problem. Our human nature our selfish greedy partisan warped minds make every problem and it has zero to do with conservative versus liberal mindset or what party you belong to.
I've given my answer to the problem but you have not, your answer as above is "what is your solution" not to answer the question directly, rather dish off and point fingers. Ive given my answer, you have not ever outside of GOP talking points and rhetoric and those soundbites are not solutions. When I speak and have spoken of a solution I do not revert to what other people have said via cut paste or quoting stuff I found somewhere else I actually make direct conversation and give explanation, details, insight and I never make my solution about what party is in charge or that the solution is a diversion to blame.
You write so many words but they are partisan and so biased so blank there is no discussion or common ground, you are just a verbose partisan follower who is so bothered by another political party that you cant find solutions. If you are constrained by an ideology then you have no chance at finding solutions and answers, that is because all exclusive/extreme ideologies are flawed and are not considering all of society, thus they cannot work.
Please dont reply back with blame or diversion garbage, you have done that enough. If you or any of the other bots are really seeking solutions and dialogue then start bringing THAT to this conversation and leave the other sewer blame deflection crap out.
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@Raiders22
Hilarious...you hide behind partisan blame in every single message you make. Your party is just as faulted and flawed as the other party and any party, and that reality is the answer to your question of origin to the or any problem. Our human nature our selfish greedy partisan warped minds make every problem and it has zero to do with conservative versus liberal mindset or what party you belong to.
I've given my answer to the problem but you have not, your answer as above is "what is your solution" not to answer the question directly, rather dish off and point fingers. Ive given my answer, you have not ever outside of GOP talking points and rhetoric and those soundbites are not solutions. When I speak and have spoken of a solution I do not revert to what other people have said via cut paste or quoting stuff I found somewhere else I actually make direct conversation and give explanation, details, insight and I never make my solution about what party is in charge or that the solution is a diversion to blame.
You write so many words but they are partisan and so biased so blank there is no discussion or common ground, you are just a verbose partisan follower who is so bothered by another political party that you cant find solutions. If you are constrained by an ideology then you have no chance at finding solutions and answers, that is because all exclusive/extreme ideologies are flawed and are not considering all of society, thus they cannot work.
Please dont reply back with blame or diversion garbage, you have done that enough. If you or any of the other bots are really seeking solutions and dialogue then start bringing THAT to this conversation and leave the other sewer blame deflection crap out.
Hilarious...you hide behind partisan blame in every single message you make. Your party is just as faulted and flawed as the other party and any party, and that reality is the answer to your question of origin to the or any problem. Our human nature our selfish greedy partisan warped minds make every problem and it has zero to do with conservative versus liberal mindset or what party you belong to.
Not a hilarious matter at all. I am not hiding behind any partisan blame. I am very out front about it.
I have not even seen you say it is a problem. You just give some overall statement about how everyone is to blame and it has been going on for decades.
WHO do you blame for why it has gotten worse.
IT HAS VERY MUCH to do with what party you are aligned with. You guys on the LEFT are okay with it; folks on the RIGHT are not okay with it.
It is NOT a situation where you can take out your philosophy and say what needs to be done. Otherwise, you would have done it by now.
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@wallstreetcappers
Hilarious...you hide behind partisan blame in every single message you make. Your party is just as faulted and flawed as the other party and any party, and that reality is the answer to your question of origin to the or any problem. Our human nature our selfish greedy partisan warped minds make every problem and it has zero to do with conservative versus liberal mindset or what party you belong to.
Not a hilarious matter at all. I am not hiding behind any partisan blame. I am very out front about it.
I have not even seen you say it is a problem. You just give some overall statement about how everyone is to blame and it has been going on for decades.
WHO do you blame for why it has gotten worse.
IT HAS VERY MUCH to do with what party you are aligned with. You guys on the LEFT are okay with it; folks on the RIGHT are not okay with it.
It is NOT a situation where you can take out your philosophy and say what needs to be done. Otherwise, you would have done it by now.
You write so many words but they are partisan and so biased so blank there is no discussion or common ground, you are just a verbose partisan follower who is so bothered by another political party that you cant find solutions. If you are constrained by an ideology then you have no chance at finding solutions and answers, that is because all exclusive/extreme ideologies are flawed and are not considering all of society, thus they cannot work.
Absolutely. Because it is partisan.
How about you say what you think would be COMMON ground?
You are just as constrained by your Leftist ideology that you cannot even admit that it is a problem,
All you do is attack the folks that point it out as a problem and say they are partisan. So, what if only one party realizes it is a problem.
AGAIN, you guys on the LEFT that do not see it as a problem need to look at some of the European countries to see the issues they are having. That are good leading indicators.
Who cares about it being inclusive to other societies? That is absurd. You need to care about your society first. No way it is good for your society to allow just anyone to enter illegally. It certainly is NOT overall GOOD for your society it is BAD. You need to inclusively make this issue better for all of your folks.
BUT first you have to admit it is a problem and the LEFT refuses to do this -- because of their partisan ideology.
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@wallstreetcappers
You write so many words but they are partisan and so biased so blank there is no discussion or common ground, you are just a verbose partisan follower who is so bothered by another political party that you cant find solutions. If you are constrained by an ideology then you have no chance at finding solutions and answers, that is because all exclusive/extreme ideologies are flawed and are not considering all of society, thus they cannot work.
Absolutely. Because it is partisan.
How about you say what you think would be COMMON ground?
You are just as constrained by your Leftist ideology that you cannot even admit that it is a problem,
All you do is attack the folks that point it out as a problem and say they are partisan. So, what if only one party realizes it is a problem.
AGAIN, you guys on the LEFT that do not see it as a problem need to look at some of the European countries to see the issues they are having. That are good leading indicators.
Who cares about it being inclusive to other societies? That is absurd. You need to care about your society first. No way it is good for your society to allow just anyone to enter illegally. It certainly is NOT overall GOOD for your society it is BAD. You need to inclusively make this issue better for all of your folks.
BUT first you have to admit it is a problem and the LEFT refuses to do this -- because of their partisan ideology.
Please dont reply back with blame or diversion garbage, you have done that enough. If you or any of the other bots are really seeking solutions and dialogue then start bringing THAT to this conversation and leave the other sewer blame deflection crap out.
You have to first admit there is a problem. Part of doing that is to ask how did you get to this point. Then you start seeing the policies that allowed and encouraged it. Then you ask who implemented those. It has to be blamed on those folks -- no other way around it.
It does not mean they are bad people are that they even had bad intentions. It means that what they did simply did not work for the best of the country and its citizens.
What do you think the folks on the RIGHT should do? Sit by quietly and HOPE the LEFT will change their minds -- just so they are not mean and blame them.
Nonsense, folks need to take accountability for their actions. The CEO and others in charge would be fired in this case in the job market. But in politics they keep get elected no matter what failed policies they put in place.
Someone has to be blamed because someone got you to this point. If you get called out and blamed for bad policies -- do not get offended; learn from them and get better.
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@wallstreetcappers
Please dont reply back with blame or diversion garbage, you have done that enough. If you or any of the other bots are really seeking solutions and dialogue then start bringing THAT to this conversation and leave the other sewer blame deflection crap out.
You have to first admit there is a problem. Part of doing that is to ask how did you get to this point. Then you start seeing the policies that allowed and encouraged it. Then you ask who implemented those. It has to be blamed on those folks -- no other way around it.
It does not mean they are bad people are that they even had bad intentions. It means that what they did simply did not work for the best of the country and its citizens.
What do you think the folks on the RIGHT should do? Sit by quietly and HOPE the LEFT will change their minds -- just so they are not mean and blame them.
Nonsense, folks need to take accountability for their actions. The CEO and others in charge would be fired in this case in the job market. But in politics they keep get elected no matter what failed policies they put in place.
Someone has to be blamed because someone got you to this point. If you get called out and blamed for bad policies -- do not get offended; learn from them and get better.
I think I asked not to finger point deflect as a response, you did that several times and you are also wrong with how you generalize what I have said. I find zero value in blaming a party on a national issue, especially one which spans decades and involves a large geography and millions of people. Nothing partisan about this topic but that aside I am not going to keep deflecting as a conversation. When you say "you guys on the left are ok with it and folks on the right are not" that is a conversation ender.
You are not interested in a solution, you are a partisan blamer and that has no conversational value at all. At least you use many paragraphs which is more than I can say about some of your other pals.
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@Raiders22
I think I asked not to finger point deflect as a response, you did that several times and you are also wrong with how you generalize what I have said. I find zero value in blaming a party on a national issue, especially one which spans decades and involves a large geography and millions of people. Nothing partisan about this topic but that aside I am not going to keep deflecting as a conversation. When you say "you guys on the left are ok with it and folks on the right are not" that is a conversation ender.
You are not interested in a solution, you are a partisan blamer and that has no conversational value at all. At least you use many paragraphs which is more than I can say about some of your other pals.
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