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    thirdperson
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2024 - 5:04 AM ET #626

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarossa:

    the US has and is importing the criminal underworlds of more than a hundred different countries

    No evidence supports Trump's misleading claim that countries are sending criminals to the US according to Migrant policy institute.  Border patrol checks for criminal records to deny entry of migrants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarossa:

    the US has and is importing the criminal underworlds of more than a hundred different countries

    No evidence supports Trump's misleading claim that countries are sending criminals to the US according to Migrant policy institute.  Border patrol checks for criminal records to deny entry of migrants.

     
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    @thirdperson

     

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarossa: the US has and is importing the criminal underworlds of more than a hundred different countries No evidence supports Trump's misleading claim that countries are sending criminals to the US according to Migrant policy institute.  Border patrol checks for criminal records to deny entry of migrants.

    https://www.wxyz.com/news/region/oakland-county/busted-3-members-of-an-international-crime-ring-the-burglarized-high-end-homes-across-michigan-apprehended

    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics/criminal-noncitizen-statistics

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/02/a-vast-burglary-ring-from-chile-has-been-targeting-wealthy-us-households

    they originate in Chile before flying to a designated country, generally on a 90-day tourist visa. Once overseas, they move from city to city, committing crimes, fencing their goods, and sending home their illicit gains—before returning to Chile and, many times, heading out on the road again. “Some come here to work every day,” Bonilla asserts. In fact, one member of Maldonado’s team had landed in the U.S. just two days earlier.

    https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-chilean-burglars-robbery-fbi-crime-ring-20190423-story.html

    "...Eimiller, the FBI spokeswoman, said the bureau had contacted its FBI representative in Santiago, Chile, for assistance. Local police agencies and the FBI cannot access criminal histories of foreign nationals and rely on help from FBI agents stationed in other countries, she said."

     

    Those are examples of one country that has folks intentionally doing it by taking advantage of their home country not reporting their criminal background status.  They are doing this on a legitimate tourist visa.  So, of course the illegals are even more poorly vetted.  You can find many reports about this as well.  For example:

    https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/immigration/border-coverage/migrant-vetting-process/

    Migrants with criminal records could be making it to the U.S. undetected thanks to a spotty vetting process.

    Since the migrants aren’t apprehended, they don’t go through the vetting process.

    In the Tuscon sector last week, three Mexican nationals with criminal convictions for sexual assault in the U.S. were arrested among groups trying to remain undetected.

    But even when migrants self-surrender, criminal histories may not be discovered.

    The criminal background check system only detects crimes committed in the U.S. and not those committed in other countries.

     

    So, I would do better research on this and not just disagree with it because it is something Trump said.  Almost by very definition it has to be true.

     

    “The system is able to see if you’ve committed a crime in the United States. But if you’ve committed a crime in your own country, your record is going to be squeaky clean here,” said National Border Patrol Council Vice President Art del Cueto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarossa: the US has and is importing the criminal underworlds of more than a hundred different countries No evidence supports Trump's misleading claim that countries are sending criminals to the US according to Migrant policy institute.  Border patrol checks for criminal records to deny entry of migrants.

    https://www.wxyz.com/news/region/oakland-county/busted-3-members-of-an-international-crime-ring-the-burglarized-high-end-homes-across-michigan-apprehended

    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics/criminal-noncitizen-statistics

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/02/a-vast-burglary-ring-from-chile-has-been-targeting-wealthy-us-households

    they originate in Chile before flying to a designated country, generally on a 90-day tourist visa. Once overseas, they move from city to city, committing crimes, fencing their goods, and sending home their illicit gains—before returning to Chile and, many times, heading out on the road again. “Some come here to work every day,” Bonilla asserts. In fact, one member of Maldonado’s team had landed in the U.S. just two days earlier.

    https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-chilean-burglars-robbery-fbi-crime-ring-20190423-story.html

    "...Eimiller, the FBI spokeswoman, said the bureau had contacted its FBI representative in Santiago, Chile, for assistance. Local police agencies and the FBI cannot access criminal histories of foreign nationals and rely on help from FBI agents stationed in other countries, she said."

     

    Those are examples of one country that has folks intentionally doing it by taking advantage of their home country not reporting their criminal background status.  They are doing this on a legitimate tourist visa.  So, of course the illegals are even more poorly vetted.  You can find many reports about this as well.  For example:

    https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/immigration/border-coverage/migrant-vetting-process/

    Migrants with criminal records could be making it to the U.S. undetected thanks to a spotty vetting process.

    Since the migrants aren’t apprehended, they don’t go through the vetting process.

    In the Tuscon sector last week, three Mexican nationals with criminal convictions for sexual assault in the U.S. were arrested among groups trying to remain undetected.

    But even when migrants self-surrender, criminal histories may not be discovered.

    The criminal background check system only detects crimes committed in the U.S. and not those committed in other countries.

     

    So, I would do better research on this and not just disagree with it because it is something Trump said.  Almost by very definition it has to be true.

     

    “The system is able to see if you’ve committed a crime in the United States. But if you’ve committed a crime in your own country, your record is going to be squeaky clean here,” said National Border Patrol Council Vice President Art del Cueto.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2024 - 12:15 PM ET #628

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    @thirdperson   Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by Barbarossa: the US has and is importing the criminal underworlds of more than a hundred different countries No evidence supports Trump's misleading claim that countries are sending criminals to the US according to Migrant policy institute.  Border patrol checks for criminal records to deny entry of migrants. https://www.wxyz.com/news/region/oakland-county/busted-3-members-of-an-international-crime-ring-the-burglarized-high-end-homes-across-michigan-apprehended https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics/criminal-noncitizen-statistics https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/02/a-vast-burglary-ring-from-chile-has-been-targeting-wealthy-us-households they originate in Chile before flying to a designated country, generally on a 90-day tourist visa. Once overseas, they move from city to city, committing crimes, fencing their goods, and sending home their illicit gains—before returning to Chile and, many times, heading out on the road again. “Some come here to work every day,” Bonilla asserts. In fact, one member of Maldonado’s team had landed in the U.S. just two days earlier. https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-chilean-burglars-robbery-fbi-crime-ring-20190423-story.html "...Eimiller, the FBI spokeswoman, said the bureau had contacted its FBI representative in Santiago, Chile, for assistance. Local police agencies and the FBI cannot access criminal histories of foreign nationals and rely on help from FBI agents stationed in other countries, she said."   Those are examples of one country that has folks intentionally doing it by taking advantage of their home country not reporting their criminal background status.  They are doing this on a legitimate tourist visa.  So, of course the illegals are even more poorly vetted.  You can find many reports about this as well.  For example: https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/immigration/border-coverage/migrant-vetting-process/ Migrants with criminal records could be making it to the U.S. undetected thanks to a spotty vetting process. Since the migrants aren’t apprehended, they don’t go through the vetting process. In the Tuscon sector last week, three Mexican nationals with criminal convictions for sexual assault in the U.S. were arrested among groups trying to remain undetected. But even when migrants self-surrender, criminal histories may not be discovered. The criminal background check system only detects crimes committed in the U.S. and not those committed in other countries.   So, I would do better research on this and not just disagree with it because it is something Trump said.  Almost by very definition it has to be true.   “The system is able to see if you’ve committed a crime in the United States. But if you’ve committed a crime in your own country, your record is going to be squeaky clean here,” said National Border Patrol Council Vice President Art del Cueto.

     

    Great info and they are dumping the worst of the worst imaginable. Once in our society they will cost us billions and many lives from the drugs, sex trade, and murders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    @thirdperson   Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by Barbarossa: the US has and is importing the criminal underworlds of more than a hundred different countries No evidence supports Trump's misleading claim that countries are sending criminals to the US according to Migrant policy institute.  Border patrol checks for criminal records to deny entry of migrants. https://www.wxyz.com/news/region/oakland-county/busted-3-members-of-an-international-crime-ring-the-burglarized-high-end-homes-across-michigan-apprehended https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics/criminal-noncitizen-statistics https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/02/a-vast-burglary-ring-from-chile-has-been-targeting-wealthy-us-households they originate in Chile before flying to a designated country, generally on a 90-day tourist visa. Once overseas, they move from city to city, committing crimes, fencing their goods, and sending home their illicit gains—before returning to Chile and, many times, heading out on the road again. “Some come here to work every day,” Bonilla asserts. In fact, one member of Maldonado’s team had landed in the U.S. just two days earlier. https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-chilean-burglars-robbery-fbi-crime-ring-20190423-story.html "...Eimiller, the FBI spokeswoman, said the bureau had contacted its FBI representative in Santiago, Chile, for assistance. Local police agencies and the FBI cannot access criminal histories of foreign nationals and rely on help from FBI agents stationed in other countries, she said."   Those are examples of one country that has folks intentionally doing it by taking advantage of their home country not reporting their criminal background status.  They are doing this on a legitimate tourist visa.  So, of course the illegals are even more poorly vetted.  You can find many reports about this as well.  For example: https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/immigration/border-coverage/migrant-vetting-process/ Migrants with criminal records could be making it to the U.S. undetected thanks to a spotty vetting process. Since the migrants aren’t apprehended, they don’t go through the vetting process. In the Tuscon sector last week, three Mexican nationals with criminal convictions for sexual assault in the U.S. were arrested among groups trying to remain undetected. But even when migrants self-surrender, criminal histories may not be discovered. The criminal background check system only detects crimes committed in the U.S. and not those committed in other countries.   So, I would do better research on this and not just disagree with it because it is something Trump said.  Almost by very definition it has to be true.   “The system is able to see if you’ve committed a crime in the United States. But if you’ve committed a crime in your own country, your record is going to be squeaky clean here,” said National Border Patrol Council Vice President Art del Cueto.

     

    Great info and they are dumping the worst of the worst imaginable. Once in our society they will cost us billions and many lives from the drugs, sex trade, and murders.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2024 - 12:21 PM ET #629

    Uncommon cases of migrant crimes don't prove countries are sending criminals to the US.  Except for Cuba, no evidence of other governments sending criminals from prisons into the US.  In research, large samples of populations are statistically more significant than small samples.  So big picture shows native born Americans are far more likely to commit crimes than immigrants.   More immigration doesn't increase crime rates and cities with more immigrants tend to have lower crime rates.  Trump demonizes immigrants as criminals to appeal to fears, prejudices and ignorance of voters.

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    Uncommon cases of migrant crimes don't prove countries are sending criminals to the US.  Except for Cuba, no evidence of other governments sending criminals from prisons into the US.  In research, large samples of populations are statistically more significant than small samples.  So big picture shows native born Americans are far more likely to commit crimes than immigrants.   More immigration doesn't increase crime rates and cities with more immigrants tend to have lower crime rates.  Trump demonizes immigrants as criminals to appeal to fears, prejudices and ignorance of voters.

     
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     Pay close attention when you read the articles about Chile.  When a country does NOT provide a person's criminal background, they are allowing their criminals to travel to other countries.

    When pressed on this, they acknowledged it and say they will provide it -- yet are still not adequately doing it.

    You can also research how slack other countries are on this as well.  So, when a country allows this -- they are knowingly sending criminals to other countries.

    When it is proved over and over some of these guys have repeated offenses in their home country and are still allowed to travel abroad it disproves your whole narrative.

    peace_5

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     Pay close attention when you read the articles about Chile.  When a country does NOT provide a person's criminal background, they are allowing their criminals to travel to other countries.

    When pressed on this, they acknowledged it and say they will provide it -- yet are still not adequately doing it.

    You can also research how slack other countries are on this as well.  So, when a country allows this -- they are knowingly sending criminals to other countries.

    When it is proved over and over some of these guys have repeated offenses in their home country and are still allowed to travel abroad it disproves your whole narrative.

    peace_5

     
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    Extremely valid point about previous criminal history of others in other countries...they don;t have systems in place like we do here in America and even ours is flawed a bit...however, other countries are worse...you are correct in that if some are fleeing their own country due to criminal activity and coming here to the US then most of that is not being checked or cannot be verified because who the hell are these people...are we even getting a real name...if you are fleeing then you most certainly are not providing who you really are and are providing fake information....

    This is an unspoken problem that is not really addressed as it should, but your points are extremely valid...A criminal is a criminal and will do anything criminally to achieve what they are looking for....

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    Extremely valid point about previous criminal history of others in other countries...they don;t have systems in place like we do here in America and even ours is flawed a bit...however, other countries are worse...you are correct in that if some are fleeing their own country due to criminal activity and coming here to the US then most of that is not being checked or cannot be verified because who the hell are these people...are we even getting a real name...if you are fleeing then you most certainly are not providing who you really are and are providing fake information....

    This is an unspoken problem that is not really addressed as it should, but your points are extremely valid...A criminal is a criminal and will do anything criminally to achieve what they are looking for....

     
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     It is worse than that in some areas.  Like Chile, in the examples I listed.  There are crime syndicates that are taking advantage of that by sending theft rings to the higher end areas of the USA and other countries and robbing the jewelry, cash, etc. -- then sending the money back home.

    Then when the Chilean authorities are notified, they still do not put a check in place to prevent this.  This has been very organized for years now.

     

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     It is worse than that in some areas.  Like Chile, in the examples I listed.  There are crime syndicates that are taking advantage of that by sending theft rings to the higher end areas of the USA and other countries and robbing the jewelry, cash, etc. -- then sending the money back home.

    Then when the Chilean authorities are notified, they still do not put a check in place to prevent this.  This has been very organized for years now.

     

     
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     So this international issue just originated when Biden came into office and such things did not exist before? I dont see how ANY US president can magically create an international crime database or demand that any foreign country provide details that they probably do not have, tariffs and social media yammering wont change the problem because the countries mentioned do not have the infrastructure or database for their own country let alone supply that to other countries and then for the US to obtain this data, make it useable to national databases THEN circulate to state databases and to the hands of officers who could make best use of it.

    If this is such a complex situation then why has it not been dealt with for ten, twenty, thirty years? And isnt the FBI able to create a strategy and not be nearly as partisan and petty as our elected politicians?

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     So this international issue just originated when Biden came into office and such things did not exist before? I dont see how ANY US president can magically create an international crime database or demand that any foreign country provide details that they probably do not have, tariffs and social media yammering wont change the problem because the countries mentioned do not have the infrastructure or database for their own country let alone supply that to other countries and then for the US to obtain this data, make it useable to national databases THEN circulate to state databases and to the hands of officers who could make best use of it.

    If this is such a complex situation then why has it not been dealt with for ten, twenty, thirty years? And isnt the FBI able to create a strategy and not be nearly as partisan and petty as our elected politicians?

     
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     I think the program started under the Obama administration.  I am not sure when Chile joined.  I think it was later, but still under Obama.

    But I am pretty sure Chile is still the only LA country that is a member.

    They have been exploiting the program ever since.

    The issue is not solely a Biden problem in this case.  It has just grown far worse under Biden and come more to light and he has not done anything to fix the leak, except to ask if Chile could help, etc.

    The only reason I pointed this particular issue out is to show the guy was wrong to say countries are not sending criminals to the USA -- they are in this program.

    But, sure, you are correct in that the illegal problem overall has certainly existed before.  See IKE, even.

    For sure, it got better under Trump and has gotten way worse under Biden.

    Biden happens to be in office while the current crisis has gotten worse -- so he owns that part of it, as well as flat-out not addressing it at all.

    You can rest assured if it were getting better he would take credit for it -- as he tried to in a deceptive manner earlier, but now has dropped that.

    For example, if Trump were in office now, the Democrats would be up in arms and even a lot of Republicans.  It simply matters that it needs to be fixed because it is getting worse.  You do not fix it by allowing it and encouraging it -- no matter who is in office.  Their job is to fix it.

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     I think the program started under the Obama administration.  I am not sure when Chile joined.  I think it was later, but still under Obama.

    But I am pretty sure Chile is still the only LA country that is a member.

    They have been exploiting the program ever since.

    The issue is not solely a Biden problem in this case.  It has just grown far worse under Biden and come more to light and he has not done anything to fix the leak, except to ask if Chile could help, etc.

    The only reason I pointed this particular issue out is to show the guy was wrong to say countries are not sending criminals to the USA -- they are in this program.

    But, sure, you are correct in that the illegal problem overall has certainly existed before.  See IKE, even.

    For sure, it got better under Trump and has gotten way worse under Biden.

    Biden happens to be in office while the current crisis has gotten worse -- so he owns that part of it, as well as flat-out not addressing it at all.

    You can rest assured if it were getting better he would take credit for it -- as he tried to in a deceptive manner earlier, but now has dropped that.

    For example, if Trump were in office now, the Democrats would be up in arms and even a lot of Republicans.  It simply matters that it needs to be fixed because it is getting worse.  You do not fix it by allowing it and encouraging it -- no matter who is in office.  Their job is to fix it.

     
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    It's more reason to stop any crossings until this can be sorted out...this will put the demand on the powers that be that no entry is gained until there is some accountability...makes no sense to allow anyone into the country if measures like these are not in place...what is sad is that this has been a known problem for so long yet no one is doing anything to fix it and yet with each person that comes to the US who is escaping or fleeing with criminal activity may be potentially allowed to enter and therefore endangering the communities they end up in...just a sad sad predicament all around...should be no hurry to allow anyone entry in today's world that is crime ridden without first vetting that individual first...bad on American politicians for allowing this to continue taking place and not keeping its citizens safe from potential harmful individuals entering this country...another political meltdown happening right under citizens noses...

     

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    It's more reason to stop any crossings until this can be sorted out...this will put the demand on the powers that be that no entry is gained until there is some accountability...makes no sense to allow anyone into the country if measures like these are not in place...what is sad is that this has been a known problem for so long yet no one is doing anything to fix it and yet with each person that comes to the US who is escaping or fleeing with criminal activity may be potentially allowed to enter and therefore endangering the communities they end up in...just a sad sad predicament all around...should be no hurry to allow anyone entry in today's world that is crime ridden without first vetting that individual first...bad on American politicians for allowing this to continue taking place and not keeping its citizens safe from potential harmful individuals entering this country...another political meltdown happening right under citizens noses...

     

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     I am suggesting that as this is an international issue it would be better if more people were involved than Biden and Harris that maybe it would be better served for groups that deal with crime and international relationships as a core of their purpose...so the FBI and even the CIA. To me if there is any malfeasance the CIA knows about it already and they have greater contacts and resources than just the POTUS and especially the dopes in congress.

    What best serves the problem isnt finger pointing it would likely be an international database for all and any country interested in sharing details about criminals and to me that seems pretty straightforward but it is not anything I've ever heard of that a real time history and fingerprints/mugs of criminals be available immediately and on demand for law enforcement agencies both here and in other countries. I know that there are databases for passports that are shared so it is not impossible to think a larger criminal database makes sense but then even if you had it on a federal level that is not the last mile of the road it has to get to the state and local databases and to the border police so they have this and can utilize it immediately. Its for sure not a Biden issue, the criminals are just more motivated than our ill-equipped government workers are and that also includes states and local police and staff. Its fun to say that Trump would do things differently but outside of carrying a big mouth and golden shoes he is not the one who is doing the hard work and dealing with the criminal element...nor does he or any politician really want to do what it takes to solve the problem, he just wants to get elected and get more attention, outside that I do not see any gameplan or roadmap from Trump that will make a bit of difference outside of vote grabbing and fake accolades. 

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     I am suggesting that as this is an international issue it would be better if more people were involved than Biden and Harris that maybe it would be better served for groups that deal with crime and international relationships as a core of their purpose...so the FBI and even the CIA. To me if there is any malfeasance the CIA knows about it already and they have greater contacts and resources than just the POTUS and especially the dopes in congress.

    What best serves the problem isnt finger pointing it would likely be an international database for all and any country interested in sharing details about criminals and to me that seems pretty straightforward but it is not anything I've ever heard of that a real time history and fingerprints/mugs of criminals be available immediately and on demand for law enforcement agencies both here and in other countries. I know that there are databases for passports that are shared so it is not impossible to think a larger criminal database makes sense but then even if you had it on a federal level that is not the last mile of the road it has to get to the state and local databases and to the border police so they have this and can utilize it immediately. Its for sure not a Biden issue, the criminals are just more motivated than our ill-equipped government workers are and that also includes states and local police and staff. Its fun to say that Trump would do things differently but outside of carrying a big mouth and golden shoes he is not the one who is doing the hard work and dealing with the criminal element...nor does he or any politician really want to do what it takes to solve the problem, he just wants to get elected and get more attention, outside that I do not see any gameplan or roadmap from Trump that will make a bit of difference outside of vote grabbing and fake accolades. 

     
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     I am not sure what you mean about it being an 'international issue'.  It really is not -- other than the illegals are coming from multiple countries.  It is the responsibility of THE country they are entering illegally to stop the entry.  They can do it through diplomatic means with the other countries.  Like Trump did with Mexico.  So, maybe that can be deemed 'international'.  But essentially this is an USA problem, alone, to fix.

    The CIA does not really handle this sort of thing unless the individuals are on a terrorist-watch list or something along those lines.  This is more of a Homeland-type job.

    But the blame can be shared by both parties going way back.

    However, from day-one the Biden administration undid and moved away from the Trump stance that had curtailed it somewhat.  So, again, Biden is in charge at this time he has the blame for making it worse; he also has the responsibility to remedy it.  He can absolutely do this by involving the folks in Congress and removing the 'incentives' that encourage illegals to attempt to enter the USA.  He can do this by NOT fighting the states that are trying to stop it as well.

    He can do it by re-implementing the Trump policies through EOs/directives.  It is just not what the Democrats want to do because that would admit that Trump was right and his policies were better at curtailing the illegals.  Most of them are not at a point of thinking there is really a problem yet.

    The Chilean issue can be easily resolved by revoking their inclusion in the program -- that is a very easy fix.  They have abused the program -- or at least, allowed their citizens to enter without the criminal background vetting the USA has requested.  There are no other Latin American countries in the program anyway.

    But I think you are very wrong if you do not think 'finger-pointing' does not need to have a role.  Absolutely, you have to blame the party(ies) that caused it and allowed it to happen in the first place.  You also have to blame the person that has exacerbated it.  Why start looking around for someone else to fix the problem that they caused.  This guy is the head guy in the USA.  He messed it up, he is to blame; he can fix it and take 'credit'.

     

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     I am not sure what you mean about it being an 'international issue'.  It really is not -- other than the illegals are coming from multiple countries.  It is the responsibility of THE country they are entering illegally to stop the entry.  They can do it through diplomatic means with the other countries.  Like Trump did with Mexico.  So, maybe that can be deemed 'international'.  But essentially this is an USA problem, alone, to fix.

    The CIA does not really handle this sort of thing unless the individuals are on a terrorist-watch list or something along those lines.  This is more of a Homeland-type job.

    But the blame can be shared by both parties going way back.

    However, from day-one the Biden administration undid and moved away from the Trump stance that had curtailed it somewhat.  So, again, Biden is in charge at this time he has the blame for making it worse; he also has the responsibility to remedy it.  He can absolutely do this by involving the folks in Congress and removing the 'incentives' that encourage illegals to attempt to enter the USA.  He can do this by NOT fighting the states that are trying to stop it as well.

    He can do it by re-implementing the Trump policies through EOs/directives.  It is just not what the Democrats want to do because that would admit that Trump was right and his policies were better at curtailing the illegals.  Most of them are not at a point of thinking there is really a problem yet.

    The Chilean issue can be easily resolved by revoking their inclusion in the program -- that is a very easy fix.  They have abused the program -- or at least, allowed their citizens to enter without the criminal background vetting the USA has requested.  There are no other Latin American countries in the program anyway.

    But I think you are very wrong if you do not think 'finger-pointing' does not need to have a role.  Absolutely, you have to blame the party(ies) that caused it and allowed it to happen in the first place.  You also have to blame the person that has exacerbated it.  Why start looking around for someone else to fix the problem that they caused.  This guy is the head guy in the USA.  He messed it up, he is to blame; he can fix it and take 'credit'.

     

     
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    The Democrats are realizing a little late the seriousness of this problem and the concern the voters have about it.  They are extremely lucky it is Trump running instead of a more palatable Republican.  Otherwise, they could very well lose a lot of elections over this one issue without even including the economy side of things.

    You do not need a database to stop it.  There is enough Government involvement already -- no more rules or databases are needed.  Just enforce the laws, rules, and security of the border that exist now.  

    Simply remove the incentives, punish employers, deport the ones that make it in.  When there is less incentives and help to enter -- fewer will attempt and it is easier to maintain the border and, thus, fewer legitimate criminals that make it in with the illegals.

    If you ever go to any of the countries that these folks are coming from you will see how unrealistic a data base like that would be.  In a lot of these areas there is very little tracking of this sort.  Then even if they were to be in the database, they will enter with no papers or fake papers and can be whomever they want.  Just stop all of them, period.  Then deport the ones that make it in.

    So, yes, it is a Biden issue.  He is in charge and he removed some of the stops and he has put incentives in place and he is not doing what he can to stop it.  Bottomline is he is the CEO of the country.  Just as a CEO of a company has to take the blame for things that happen under his watch -- so does the President.

    It is not just fun to say Trump would do things differently -- he did do things differently.  Unless you want to say it is a 'fun fact'.  Folks also act a lot on anticipation and even before Trump was in office long it changed the perception of what was 'allowed' and changed the motivation of a lot of the folks.  The numbers are what the numbers are.  What Biden is doing and allowing is NOT helping or fixing it.  He has to take the blame just because he is in charge AND this is certainly NOT something he can blame on 'his predecessor'.

    You are correct that most of the politicians -- of BOTH parties -- do not have the resolve yet to fix it.  

    But that does not mean it does not need to be addressed and fixed.

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    The Democrats are realizing a little late the seriousness of this problem and the concern the voters have about it.  They are extremely lucky it is Trump running instead of a more palatable Republican.  Otherwise, they could very well lose a lot of elections over this one issue without even including the economy side of things.

    You do not need a database to stop it.  There is enough Government involvement already -- no more rules or databases are needed.  Just enforce the laws, rules, and security of the border that exist now.  

    Simply remove the incentives, punish employers, deport the ones that make it in.  When there is less incentives and help to enter -- fewer will attempt and it is easier to maintain the border and, thus, fewer legitimate criminals that make it in with the illegals.

    If you ever go to any of the countries that these folks are coming from you will see how unrealistic a data base like that would be.  In a lot of these areas there is very little tracking of this sort.  Then even if they were to be in the database, they will enter with no papers or fake papers and can be whomever they want.  Just stop all of them, period.  Then deport the ones that make it in.

    So, yes, it is a Biden issue.  He is in charge and he removed some of the stops and he has put incentives in place and he is not doing what he can to stop it.  Bottomline is he is the CEO of the country.  Just as a CEO of a company has to take the blame for things that happen under his watch -- so does the President.

    It is not just fun to say Trump would do things differently -- he did do things differently.  Unless you want to say it is a 'fun fact'.  Folks also act a lot on anticipation and even before Trump was in office long it changed the perception of what was 'allowed' and changed the motivation of a lot of the folks.  The numbers are what the numbers are.  What Biden is doing and allowing is NOT helping or fixing it.  He has to take the blame just because he is in charge AND this is certainly NOT something he can blame on 'his predecessor'.

    You are correct that most of the politicians -- of BOTH parties -- do not have the resolve yet to fix it.  

    But that does not mean it does not need to be addressed and fixed.

     
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    William La Jeunesse reports on the Obama-appointed federal judge ruling that the law prohibiting illegal immigrants from owning a gun is unconstitutional. confused

    How does an Illegal immigrant own ANY constitutional rights?

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    William La Jeunesse reports on the Obama-appointed federal judge ruling that the law prohibiting illegal immigrants from owning a gun is unconstitutional. confused

    How does an Illegal immigrant own ANY constitutional rights?

     
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    Amendments:

    1st: speech, religion, press, assembly, and petition...nope become a citizen to enjoy these rights

    2nd: the right to keep and bear arms....nope but left wing judges think this is a human right for immigrants AND they also want all the citizens to report all those guns confused

    3rd: NO quartering soldiers in private homes during peacetime...unless we are taking about the squatters in citizens homes this may apply

    4th:  Protects citizens against unreasonable searches and seizures without a warrant or probable cause......well it does literally say CITIZENS

    5th: Provides protections for citizens accused of crimes, including protection against double jeopardy, self-incrimination, and loss of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.....this is a good one that's used way too much.  Also only applies to CITIZENS.  Also these same leftist judges need to re-read what the meaning of Due Process actually means!!  Its fair treatment through the normal judicial system, especially as a citizen's entitlement.  tell that to Trumps lawyers WTF

    6th: Guarantees the right to a fair and speedy trial by an impartial jury in criminal cases.... nope, no Illegal immigrant who is ever arrested for a crime will ever go to jury

    they let em walk as they give you the finger

    7th: Guarantees the right to a trial by jury in civil cases...... just ask Trump how this amendment is going for him!!  only applies to citizens AGAIN.  Illegals have free reign

    8th: Prohibits excessive bail, excessive fines, and cruel and unusual punishment....WOW how did some of these rights go completely against the most famous citizen on trial right now?  Not only have the corrupt judges and D.A.s have middle fingered the constitutional bill of rights right in our faces...in real time, They now want to give these rights and more to people not willing to actually be an AMERICAN.  Take our country AND our rights as CITIZENS

    9th: Affirms that the people have rights not listed in the Constitution.....this maybe the only grey area that illegal immigrants have, but again the constitution ONLY APPLIES TO CITIZENS.  It's not a human right constitution for Fug sake

    10th: Reserves powers not granted to the federal government to the states or the people..... HELLO TEXAS, HELLO FLORIDA

    Now can you lefty radicals truely say that Illegal immigrants have 2nd amendment right to possess firearms?

    I would really like to hear from 3rdperson on this who has an opinion on everything against a conservative view.  Also would like input from wallstreet, kelly, fubah....all you trump haters on how you feel about our guns taken away but these "undocumented FRIENDS" can

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    Amendments:

    1st: speech, religion, press, assembly, and petition...nope become a citizen to enjoy these rights

    2nd: the right to keep and bear arms....nope but left wing judges think this is a human right for immigrants AND they also want all the citizens to report all those guns confused

    3rd: NO quartering soldiers in private homes during peacetime...unless we are taking about the squatters in citizens homes this may apply

    4th:  Protects citizens against unreasonable searches and seizures without a warrant or probable cause......well it does literally say CITIZENS

    5th: Provides protections for citizens accused of crimes, including protection against double jeopardy, self-incrimination, and loss of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.....this is a good one that's used way too much.  Also only applies to CITIZENS.  Also these same leftist judges need to re-read what the meaning of Due Process actually means!!  Its fair treatment through the normal judicial system, especially as a citizen's entitlement.  tell that to Trumps lawyers WTF

    6th: Guarantees the right to a fair and speedy trial by an impartial jury in criminal cases.... nope, no Illegal immigrant who is ever arrested for a crime will ever go to jury

    they let em walk as they give you the finger

    7th: Guarantees the right to a trial by jury in civil cases...... just ask Trump how this amendment is going for him!!  only applies to citizens AGAIN.  Illegals have free reign

    8th: Prohibits excessive bail, excessive fines, and cruel and unusual punishment....WOW how did some of these rights go completely against the most famous citizen on trial right now?  Not only have the corrupt judges and D.A.s have middle fingered the constitutional bill of rights right in our faces...in real time, They now want to give these rights and more to people not willing to actually be an AMERICAN.  Take our country AND our rights as CITIZENS

    9th: Affirms that the people have rights not listed in the Constitution.....this maybe the only grey area that illegal immigrants have, but again the constitution ONLY APPLIES TO CITIZENS.  It's not a human right constitution for Fug sake

    10th: Reserves powers not granted to the federal government to the states or the people..... HELLO TEXAS, HELLO FLORIDA

    Now can you lefty radicals truely say that Illegal immigrants have 2nd amendment right to possess firearms?

    I would really like to hear from 3rdperson on this who has an opinion on everything against a conservative view.  Also would like input from wallstreet, kelly, fubah....all you trump haters on how you feel about our guns taken away but these "undocumented FRIENDS" can

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

      When a country does NOT provide a person's criminal background, they are allowing their criminals to travel to other countries. -- they are knowingly sending criminals to other countries.

    Countries not providing criminal records isn't the same as intentionally sending criminals from prison to the US.  That is what Trump falsely claims.  According to Cato institute study, more enforcement of immigration laws won't change crime rates.  Deporting all illegal and asylum immigrants wouldn't reduce crime rates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

      When a country does NOT provide a person's criminal background, they are allowing their criminals to travel to other countries. -- they are knowingly sending criminals to other countries.

    Countries not providing criminal records isn't the same as intentionally sending criminals from prison to the US.  That is what Trump falsely claims.  According to Cato institute study, more enforcement of immigration laws won't change crime rates.  Deporting all illegal and asylum immigrants wouldn't reduce crime rates.

     
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    It's this simple folks, not joking, Biden said prior to getting elected, "immigrants should surge the border". Then he relaxed everything that could slow a surge. Then he gave away free airline flights across the country. Free phones, etc.

    There have been more gotaways in the last three years than all the encounters during Trump's four years. 

    IT IS SO OBVIOUS, FINGER POINTING IS SO EASY HERE. an_light

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    It's this simple folks, not joking, Biden said prior to getting elected, "immigrants should surge the border". Then he relaxed everything that could slow a surge. Then he gave away free airline flights across the country. Free phones, etc.

    There have been more gotaways in the last three years than all the encounters during Trump's four years. 

    IT IS SO OBVIOUS, FINGER POINTING IS SO EASY HERE. an_light

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:   When a country does NOT provide a person's criminal background, they are allowing their criminals to travel to other countries. -- they are knowingly sending criminals to other countries. Countries not providing criminal records isn't the same as intentionally sending criminals from prison to the US.  That is what Trump falsely claims.  According to Cato institute study, more enforcement of immigration laws won't change crime rates.  Deporting all illegal and asylum immigrants wouldn't reduce crime rates.

    Correct.  They are two separate issues which BOTH happen to be true.

    Cato is wrong, yet again.  Of course if you prevent and remove the illegals and they are not there it reduces THEIR crime rate to zero.

    Absolutely, deporting all illegals WOULD reduce the illegal's crime rate.  If there were NO illegals THEN there would be NO illegal crime.

    Simple logic.  Just remove the narrative when you ponder it -- that is all you need to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:   When a country does NOT provide a person's criminal background, they are allowing their criminals to travel to other countries. -- they are knowingly sending criminals to other countries. Countries not providing criminal records isn't the same as intentionally sending criminals from prison to the US.  That is what Trump falsely claims.  According to Cato institute study, more enforcement of immigration laws won't change crime rates.  Deporting all illegal and asylum immigrants wouldn't reduce crime rates.

    Correct.  They are two separate issues which BOTH happen to be true.

    Cato is wrong, yet again.  Of course if you prevent and remove the illegals and they are not there it reduces THEIR crime rate to zero.

    Absolutely, deporting all illegals WOULD reduce the illegal's crime rate.  If there were NO illegals THEN there would be NO illegal crime.

    Simple logic.  Just remove the narrative when you ponder it -- that is all you need to do.

     
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     Never ending:

    An illegal migrant, who was taken into custody following a barricade shooting incident in North Carolina, was allegedly found to be on a terrorist watch list and had been living in the area for six months.

    According to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), 32-year-old Awet Hagos is a citizen of Eritrea, a small country on the coast of Northeast Africa.

    Immigration officers said that Hagos entered the U.S. illegally after residing in Haiti and had been living in North Carolina for the last six months.

    I can only imagine when that day will come
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     Never ending:

    An illegal migrant, who was taken into custody following a barricade shooting incident in North Carolina, was allegedly found to be on a terrorist watch list and had been living in the area for six months.

    According to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), 32-year-old Awet Hagos is a citizen of Eritrea, a small country on the coast of Northeast Africa.

    Immigration officers said that Hagos entered the U.S. illegally after residing in Haiti and had been living in North Carolina for the last six months.

     
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     Adding North Carolina to the list.

    By the year end, illegal invaders will have created problems in all 50 states.

    AMAZING.

    I can only imagine when that day will come
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     Adding North Carolina to the list.

    By the year end, illegal invaders will have created problems in all 50 states.

    AMAZING.

     
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     Yessir -- I saw peace_5

     
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    Posted: Mar. 23, 2024 - 9:42 PM ET #647

    @Raiders22

     Of course it is an international issue because the solution to a US problem with international illegals makes it an INTERNATIONAL ISSUE. The US needs to have criminal records, photos, finger prints, history all of that from ANY country that potentially could be the residence of a person who COULD enter the US, that database is an INTERNATIONAL issue, that means as many countries as possible need to work with each other not just the US and make a real time, detailed, accurate record of criminal history so that other countries can use this if the situation presents itself. This is not a Biden issue or a Trump issue, that is the viewpoint of a narrow minded US GOP trying to grab votes mindset. If you want INFORMATION about someone NOT from your country then you need as many countries to share their details as you can, the more the better.

    You think this isnt an international issue? The UK has been dealing with international illegals on a larger scale for a longer time than the US has and I dont recall them over the years pumping social media to blame Joe Biden for why their borders are being run over and criminals causing havoc.

    Its amusing seeing the partisan minds in this forum that are really not seriously interested in a solution just to blame the other party and get their golden butt in the seat and that it will magically solve all the ills of the country. What a really flawed way of thinking.

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    @Raiders22

     Of course it is an international issue because the solution to a US problem with international illegals makes it an INTERNATIONAL ISSUE. The US needs to have criminal records, photos, finger prints, history all of that from ANY country that potentially could be the residence of a person who COULD enter the US, that database is an INTERNATIONAL issue, that means as many countries as possible need to work with each other not just the US and make a real time, detailed, accurate record of criminal history so that other countries can use this if the situation presents itself. This is not a Biden issue or a Trump issue, that is the viewpoint of a narrow minded US GOP trying to grab votes mindset. If you want INFORMATION about someone NOT from your country then you need as many countries to share their details as you can, the more the better.

    You think this isnt an international issue? The UK has been dealing with international illegals on a larger scale for a longer time than the US has and I dont recall them over the years pumping social media to blame Joe Biden for why their borders are being run over and criminals causing havoc.

    Its amusing seeing the partisan minds in this forum that are really not seriously interested in a solution just to blame the other party and get their golden butt in the seat and that it will magically solve all the ills of the country. What a really flawed way of thinking.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 23, 2024 - 10:04 PM ET #648

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    How about a wall, National Guard at the border and anyone that comes in illegally (against the actual laws) gets deported immediately. You broke "our laws" and you do not pass go and get free healthcare, housing, schooling, food stamps and a free ride on the tax payer dime.

    How about making it simple and explain the only way in is legally. If you are in the US  Illegally currently you have 18 months to get a US approved ID and if not and you are caught for any reason, you will be held and deported. Keep it simple! No excuses and follow the laws. Without laws or borders we are not a Country.

     

     

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    @wallstreetcappers

    How about a wall, National Guard at the border and anyone that comes in illegally (against the actual laws) gets deported immediately. You broke "our laws" and you do not pass go and get free healthcare, housing, schooling, food stamps and a free ride on the tax payer dime.

    How about making it simple and explain the only way in is legally. If you are in the US  Illegally currently you have 18 months to get a US approved ID and if not and you are caught for any reason, you will be held and deported. Keep it simple! No excuses and follow the laws. Without laws or borders we are not a Country.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Mar. 23, 2024 - 10:30 PM ET #649

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    I am using 'international' to mean several countries need to form a pact or something to fix it.  

    Otherwise it is simply a 'national' problem -- the nation that is trying to prevent the illegals from entering.

    It is that ONE country's responsibility alone to fix it.  The USA needs to stop blaming other countries and asking them for help -- the USA alone has created this problem and allowed it to worsen; they ALONE can fix it.

    Sure, they are coming from multiple countries.  But when it was largely just illegal Mexicans -- it was not deemed a 'bi-national' or 'international' problem.  It was still an USA problem to prevent the Mexican illegals from entering.

    The USA does NOT need any information on illegals at all, fingerprints or criminal backgrounds -- nothing at all.  They only need to know they are illegal.  Then they need to be deported.

    The assumption is that an illegal without a criminal past would be 'allowed' into the country -- tacitly, or not.  They should NOT be allowed in OR to stay.

    The faulty part of this is that they are not catching all of the illegals -- let alone all of the illegals with a criminal past.  Once they are in, they can become anyone and from anywhere.  You cannot just demand a database from every other country in the world on all of their citizens just because they might potentially one day be an illegal in your country.  You then run into the same reciprocation issue the USA ran into with the visa problem.

    Yes, it is a Biden issue, absolutely.  It was a Trump issue when he was in office.  No matter who is in office, it is their job to address it.  For certain, IF YOU made it worse then it IS YOUR PROBLEM as well.  Biden is in charge AND he made it worse -- so it is his issue.  How each handles it is to their credit or their blame.

    NO, again it is NOT an international issue.  IT is each individual country's issue.  Some handle it; some do not handle it.

    Certain countries you can enter illegally with little effort or problem and some you cannot do it -- and if you do you would face dire consequences.

    Why would the UK blame Biden?  That does not make sense -- he is not in charge of the UK.  

    Make it make sense.  ABSOLUTELY, they blame THEIR own leaders!  They do not blame the international leaders.  They blame their guys that are in charge of their ONE country.

    What is amusing is that it is a very, very partisan issue.  ONLY one party is even remotely interested in a solution AND it is NOT you guys on the Left.

    The issue could largely be solved simply by enforcing the laws, rules and securing the border.

    If the leaders of the USA in Congress -- with pressure from Biden and the citizenry -- would act, this could be resolved.

    The fortitude is just not there to get it done, yet.

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    @wallstreetcappers

    I am using 'international' to mean several countries need to form a pact or something to fix it.  

    Otherwise it is simply a 'national' problem -- the nation that is trying to prevent the illegals from entering.

    It is that ONE country's responsibility alone to fix it.  The USA needs to stop blaming other countries and asking them for help -- the USA alone has created this problem and allowed it to worsen; they ALONE can fix it.

    Sure, they are coming from multiple countries.  But when it was largely just illegal Mexicans -- it was not deemed a 'bi-national' or 'international' problem.  It was still an USA problem to prevent the Mexican illegals from entering.

    The USA does NOT need any information on illegals at all, fingerprints or criminal backgrounds -- nothing at all.  They only need to know they are illegal.  Then they need to be deported.

    The assumption is that an illegal without a criminal past would be 'allowed' into the country -- tacitly, or not.  They should NOT be allowed in OR to stay.

    The faulty part of this is that they are not catching all of the illegals -- let alone all of the illegals with a criminal past.  Once they are in, they can become anyone and from anywhere.  You cannot just demand a database from every other country in the world on all of their citizens just because they might potentially one day be an illegal in your country.  You then run into the same reciprocation issue the USA ran into with the visa problem.

    Yes, it is a Biden issue, absolutely.  It was a Trump issue when he was in office.  No matter who is in office, it is their job to address it.  For certain, IF YOU made it worse then it IS YOUR PROBLEM as well.  Biden is in charge AND he made it worse -- so it is his issue.  How each handles it is to their credit or their blame.

    NO, again it is NOT an international issue.  IT is each individual country's issue.  Some handle it; some do not handle it.

    Certain countries you can enter illegally with little effort or problem and some you cannot do it -- and if you do you would face dire consequences.

    Why would the UK blame Biden?  That does not make sense -- he is not in charge of the UK.  

    Make it make sense.  ABSOLUTELY, they blame THEIR own leaders!  They do not blame the international leaders.  They blame their guys that are in charge of their ONE country.

    What is amusing is that it is a very, very partisan issue.  ONLY one party is even remotely interested in a solution AND it is NOT you guys on the Left.

    The issue could largely be solved simply by enforcing the laws, rules and securing the border.

    If the leaders of the USA in Congress -- with pressure from Biden and the citizenry -- would act, this could be resolved.

    The fortitude is just not there to get it done, yet.

     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 23, 2024 - 10:34 PM ET #650

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    Quote Originally Posted by witswits:

    @wallstreetcappers How about a wall, National Guard at the border and anyone that comes in illegally (against the actual laws) gets deported immediately. You broke "our laws" and you do not pass go and get free healthcare, housing, schooling, food stamps and a free ride on the tax payer dime. How about making it simple and explain the only way in is legally. If you are in the US  Illegally currently you have 18 months to get a US approved ID and if not and you are caught for any reason, you will be held and deported. Keep it simple! No excuses and follow the laws. Without laws or borders we are not a Country.

    I disagree with allowing them to get an ID, period, if they are caught there illegally.  If caught, they should be deported and NEVER allowed back.

    If the folks do not have the willpower to stop this and want to constantly make concessions with the Left on this issue it will never get better.

    No concessions at all should be made to illegals or about them.

    peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by witswits:

    @wallstreetcappers How about a wall, National Guard at the border and anyone that comes in illegally (against the actual laws) gets deported immediately. You broke "our laws" and you do not pass go and get free healthcare, housing, schooling, food stamps and a free ride on the tax payer dime. How about making it simple and explain the only way in is legally. If you are in the US  Illegally currently you have 18 months to get a US approved ID and if not and you are caught for any reason, you will be held and deported. Keep it simple! No excuses and follow the laws. Without laws or borders we are not a Country.

    I disagree with allowing them to get an ID, period, if they are caught there illegally.  If caught, they should be deported and NEVER allowed back.

    If the folks do not have the willpower to stop this and want to constantly make concessions with the Left on this issue it will never get better.

    No concessions at all should be made to illegals or about them.

    peace_5

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