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    Just Who Is Donald J Trump?

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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2020 - 8:43 PM ET #576

    No....actually they won't. 

    Hard to just use generalities and say well he doesn't care about me.  I could care less if he cares about me.  Obama , Bush didn't care about me either. 

    I care about their policies and how they affect me and the country in general. 

    I would rather argue policies from these guys --- let IRS see if there is tax fraud. 

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    No....actually they won't. 

    Hard to just use generalities and say well he doesn't care about me.  I could care less if he cares about me.  Obama , Bush didn't care about me either. 

    I care about their policies and how they affect me and the country in general. 

    I would rather argue policies from these guys --- let IRS see if there is tax fraud. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2020 - 8:51 PM ET #577

    I really do understand you guys not liking his policies.  I understand you not liking him as a person. 

    What I do not understand is making weak arguments because it sounds like you cannot come up with anything substantial.

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    I really do understand you guys not liking his policies.  I understand you not liking him as a person. 

    What I do not understand is making weak arguments because it sounds like you cannot come up with anything substantial.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2020 - 8:54 PM ET #578

    And the name calling is disrespectful.  I never saw this much name calling and hate with any of the last presidents.

    Like they say:

    "Insults, the last salvo of a mentally defeated person."

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    And the name calling is disrespectful.  I never saw this much name calling and hate with any of the last presidents.

    Like they say:

    "Insults, the last salvo of a mentally defeated person."

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2020 - 9:28 PM ET #579

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    And the name calling is disrespectful.  I never saw this much name calling and hate with any of the last presidents.

    Like they say:

    "Insults, the last salvo of a mentally defeated person."


    Honest question, are you talking about the names people call Trump, or the names Trump calls people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    And the name calling is disrespectful.  I never saw this much name calling and hate with any of the last presidents.

    Like they say:

    "Insults, the last salvo of a mentally defeated person."


    Honest question, are you talking about the names people call Trump, or the names Trump calls people?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2020 - 9:35 PM ET #580

    OK...let's talk about this Education policies...

    Work with Congress to ensure colleges are making a good faith effort to reduce the cost of college & student debt. (IMO Betsy Devos has been an absolute disaster & we have a generation of student's with debt that will saddle them for decades.)

    Ensure that the opportunity to attend a 2 year or 4 year college, or to pursue a trade or a skill set through vocational skills and technical education, will be easier to access, pay for and finish. (Most kids don't know what they want to do coming out of high school. I know I didn't. This is where I expect the business community to work hand in hand with our schools to not only train students in their given industries but also provide them jobs. Some kids are just not made out to attend college so the technical training they receive must result in jobs. With Trump's connections to business I'm really pissed these opportunities are not available equally for all.)

    Environment

    Make America energy independent, create millions of jobs and make and protect the quality of our air & water. (Trump has done more damage to our  environment & has basically reversed almost every environmental law passed by Obama.) 

    This are just a couple of his policies that have failed IMO. I could on but you get the point. 

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    OK...let's talk about this Education policies...

    Work with Congress to ensure colleges are making a good faith effort to reduce the cost of college & student debt. (IMO Betsy Devos has been an absolute disaster & we have a generation of student's with debt that will saddle them for decades.)

    Ensure that the opportunity to attend a 2 year or 4 year college, or to pursue a trade or a skill set through vocational skills and technical education, will be easier to access, pay for and finish. (Most kids don't know what they want to do coming out of high school. I know I didn't. This is where I expect the business community to work hand in hand with our schools to not only train students in their given industries but also provide them jobs. Some kids are just not made out to attend college so the technical training they receive must result in jobs. With Trump's connections to business I'm really pissed these opportunities are not available equally for all.)

    Environment

    Make America energy independent, create millions of jobs and make and protect the quality of our air & water. (Trump has done more damage to our  environment & has basically reversed almost every environmental law passed by Obama.) 

    This are just a couple of his policies that have failed IMO. I could on but you get the point. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2020 - 9:59 PM ET #581

    Here's a real beauty regarding Trump's Healthcare policies...

    Protect and promote honest employees at the VA who highlight wrongdoing. (You mean people like whistle blower Colonel Vindman? What VA employee is going to come forward after the way Vindman was treated?)

    End waste, fraud and abuse at the VA. (So Trump put some of his Mar A Lago buddies in charge of the Veterans Administration.)

    Trump has done nothing but added to our national debt that will be passed on to our kids & their kids.

     

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    Here's a real beauty regarding Trump's Healthcare policies...

    Protect and promote honest employees at the VA who highlight wrongdoing. (You mean people like whistle blower Colonel Vindman? What VA employee is going to come forward after the way Vindman was treated?)

    End waste, fraud and abuse at the VA. (So Trump put some of his Mar A Lago buddies in charge of the Veterans Administration.)

    Trump has done nothing but added to our national debt that will be passed on to our kids & their kids.

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2020 - 10:36 PM ET #582

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    And the name calling is disrespectful.  I never saw this much name calling and hate with any of the last presidents.Like they say:"Insults, the last salvo of a mentally defeated person."

    He's a total fraud.

    He has destroyed every business he has managed & his real estate holdinsg will be in jeopardy when the SDNY gets a hold of him.

    He has lost over 905 million in just one year. He has been sued over 3500 times.

    He has destroyed the Republican party.

    Everything he says about his own success is lies. 

    He has stiffed contractors, ripped off banks, bullied his employees & has cheated business clients & partners.

    He farked around on every one of his 3 wives.

    This qualifies him to be called a POS!

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    And the name calling is disrespectful.  I never saw this much name calling and hate with any of the last presidents.Like they say:"Insults, the last salvo of a mentally defeated person."

    He's a total fraud.

    He has destroyed every business he has managed & his real estate holdinsg will be in jeopardy when the SDNY gets a hold of him.

    He has lost over 905 million in just one year. He has been sued over 3500 times.

    He has destroyed the Republican party.

    Everything he says about his own success is lies. 

    He has stiffed contractors, ripped off banks, bullied his employees & has cheated business clients & partners.

    He farked around on every one of his 3 wives.

    This qualifies him to be called a POS!

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2020 - 10:44 PM ET #583

    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:


    Honest question, are you talking about the names people call Trump, or the names Trump calls people?

    Trump has not posted in this forum...yet  

    It was not and 'honest' question     but I get your point.

    I do not like it from/about anyone and try never to do it.  I get why he does he does it and it is sometimes funny -- but I don't have to like it. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:


    Honest question, are you talking about the names people call Trump, or the names Trump calls people?

    Trump has not posted in this forum...yet  

    It was not and 'honest' question     but I get your point.

    I do not like it from/about anyone and try never to do it.  I get why he does he does it and it is sometimes funny -- but I don't have to like it. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2020 - 10:47 PM ET #584

    Of course he is not a 'total fraud'  --silly to even say or think it.

    You may not agree with how he did it.  But he has been very successful.  Promoter, negotiator, real estate, TV show, and now politician.  I mean a total fraud does not make it to president.  Look at our last two presidents.

    I think folks are simply jealous of the guy.

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    Of course he is not a 'total fraud'  --silly to even say or think it.

    You may not agree with how he did it.  But he has been very successful.  Promoter, negotiator, real estate, TV show, and now politician.  I mean a total fraud does not make it to president.  Look at our last two presidents.

    I think folks are simply jealous of the guy.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2020 - 10:54 PM ET #585

    Not the federal government job to try to reduce college costs to me. They should be out of the education business altogether.  If he is trying to amend or correct some of the Leftist policies on education -- good for him, I guess.  I just would not recommend it.

    Sure we are energy-independent for the first time in a good while.  I am okay with that.  Sure the democrats have put in too many regulations -- I get that.  But nobody wants a dirty planet.  The left makes it sound like Trump has okayed pouring hazardous waste straight into the rivers.  Obviously, a large part of this is they are simply embarrassed that he turned our energy situation around so quickly after the Left and Obama nearly had us handcuffed.

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    Not the federal government job to try to reduce college costs to me. They should be out of the education business altogether.  If he is trying to amend or correct some of the Leftist policies on education -- good for him, I guess.  I just would not recommend it.

    Sure we are energy-independent for the first time in a good while.  I am okay with that.  Sure the democrats have put in too many regulations -- I get that.  But nobody wants a dirty planet.  The left makes it sound like Trump has okayed pouring hazardous waste straight into the rivers.  Obviously, a large part of this is they are simply embarrassed that he turned our energy situation around so quickly after the Left and Obama nearly had us handcuffed.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2020 - 11:01 PM ET #586

    At some point the Left looks ridiculous for not giving him credit for anything at all.  All the want to do is nitpick and bellyache and complain that we are not doing the same thing that got us into the messes we were in.  Just silly.  You really should give credit where it is due.

    Yes -- he has run up deficit like all the rest.  BUT you have to give credit on the things he has done.  Whether you like it or not.  Economy, judges, taxes, energy, employment.  Amazing -- because a lot of the time he has fought his own party.  Of course he has not destroyed the Republican party -- still going strong.  Look at the senate and up and coming young folks.  Democrats biggest issue is they do not have the rising stars outside of the Socialistic folks that can be seen as a separate party really.

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    At some point the Left looks ridiculous for not giving him credit for anything at all.  All the want to do is nitpick and bellyache and complain that we are not doing the same thing that got us into the messes we were in.  Just silly.  You really should give credit where it is due.

    Yes -- he has run up deficit like all the rest.  BUT you have to give credit on the things he has done.  Whether you like it or not.  Economy, judges, taxes, energy, employment.  Amazing -- because a lot of the time he has fought his own party.  Of course he has not destroyed the Republican party -- still going strong.  Look at the senate and up and coming young folks.  Democrats biggest issue is they do not have the rising stars outside of the Socialistic folks that can be seen as a separate party really.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2020 - 12:55 PM ET #587

    President Trump’s political grudges and grievances continue to drive everything from policy decisions to rally speeches to some of the biggest scandals of his presidency — including his impeachment.

     

     

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    President Trump’s political grudges and grievances continue to drive everything from policy decisions to rally speeches to some of the biggest scandals of his presidency — including his impeachment.

     

     

     
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    Define ‘grudges and grievances’ for me — with examples?

    I’m pretty sure all of the things he has done and proposed to do were suggested and part of his and some of the Right’s gameplan even before he decided to run for office.  

    So, who exactly does he have a grudge against?  Old business dealings?  Is that where the reduction of taxes came from?

    He does he have a grievance against that has put things in place to rally the economy and. Markets?

    This is another bland attempt at generalities.  

    USE solid points against policy — don’t just attack the man.  
    Too much right/left bickering with no substance that way. 

    Work with me. Give me something solid. 
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    Define ‘grudges and grievances’ for me — with examples?

    I’m pretty sure all of the things he has done and proposed to do were suggested and part of his and some of the Right’s gameplan even before he decided to run for office.  

    So, who exactly does he have a grudge against?  Old business dealings?  Is that where the reduction of taxes came from?

    He does he have a grievance against that has put things in place to rally the economy and. Markets?

    This is another bland attempt at generalities.  

    USE solid points against policy — don’t just attack the man.  
    Too much right/left bickering with no substance that way. 

    Work with me. Give me something solid. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2020 - 7:57 PM ET #589

    Define ‘grudges and grievances’ for me — with examples? ( Let's start with President O & Hillary. The whistle blower. California. Comey/Mueller. Bezos. Senator McCain. Generals. Every chance he gets, Trump attacks President O & other former presidents. He regularly attacks Hillary. He's attacked Tillerson, Mathis, Cohn et al. He challenged Tillerson to an IQ test but we know how that would have went. He told California to rake their forests. How farking dumb is that.)

     
    I’m pretty sure all of the things he has done and proposed to do were suggested and part of his and some of the Right’s gameplan even before he decided to run for office. ( His game plan was to reverse almost everything President O accomplished. His transition team was inexperienced & with very little governmental expertise. That was his plan but instead it's been a colossal failure with almost 500 people leaving his administration.. All he has is broken promises: Drain the Swamp, Build the Wall, replace Obamacare, lower drug prices, Middle East peace, bringing our troops home, eliminate the federal debt while he's added to it, enact term limits.He hasn't kept any of these promises he made. Instead he has lied to us over 15,000 times.)
     
     
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    Define ‘grudges and grievances’ for me — with examples? ( Let's start with President O & Hillary. The whistle blower. California. Comey/Mueller. Bezos. Senator McCain. Generals. Every chance he gets, Trump attacks President O & other former presidents. He regularly attacks Hillary. He's attacked Tillerson, Mathis, Cohn et al. He challenged Tillerson to an IQ test but we know how that would have went. He told California to rake their forests. How farking dumb is that.)

     
    I’m pretty sure all of the things he has done and proposed to do were suggested and part of his and some of the Right’s gameplan even before he decided to run for office. ( His game plan was to reverse almost everything President O accomplished. His transition team was inexperienced & with very little governmental expertise. That was his plan but instead it's been a colossal failure with almost 500 people leaving his administration.. All he has is broken promises: Drain the Swamp, Build the Wall, replace Obamacare, lower drug prices, Middle East peace, bringing our troops home, eliminate the federal debt while he's added to it, enact term limits.He hasn't kept any of these promises he made. Instead he has lied to us over 15,000 times.)
     
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2020 - 7:58 PM ET #590

     
    So, who exactly does he have a grudge against?  Old business dealings?  Is that where the reduction of taxes came from? (My taxes did not go down & his business dealings will become much more clear when SDNY exposes them.)
     
    He does he have a grievance against that has put things in place to rally the economy and. Markets? (Seriously, the market was on a positive trend 7 years before he even got to the WH, He gets some credit for not farking it up but his term isn't over yet..)  
     
    This is another bland attempt at generalities.  (Bullshit)
     
    USE solid points against policy — don’t just attack the man.  
    Too much right/left bickering with no substance that way. 
     
    Work with me. Give me something solid.  (Is that enough for now?)
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    So, who exactly does he have a grudge against?  Old business dealings?  Is that where the reduction of taxes came from? (My taxes did not go down & his business dealings will become much more clear when SDNY exposes them.)
     
    He does he have a grievance against that has put things in place to rally the economy and. Markets? (Seriously, the market was on a positive trend 7 years before he even got to the WH, He gets some credit for not farking it up but his term isn't over yet..)  
     
    This is another bland attempt at generalities.  (Bullshit)
     
    USE solid points against policy — don’t just attack the man.  
    Too much right/left bickering with no substance that way. 
     
    Work with me. Give me something solid.  (Is that enough for now?)
     
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    Your taxes went down.  Unless you are absolutely filthy rich or had something that was different than the last year.  

    So you listed a lot of things that are in process or not finished yet.  
    That is easy enough to do.  Now address the things that he has done and accomplished.  How were those because of grievances and who were they because of a grudge against?

    Have to see both sides to be clear about it.  
    But no, still nothing solid enough.  You cannot dispute the fact that the economy is on fire.  If it had gone in the drain you would’ve given him the blame — so now, give him credit for it doing great!  Of course, he is trying to turn around Obama’s policies.  But he is fighting congress every step of the way.  Wall?  Sure some is being built.  But is it a complete necessity?  No.  Illegal immigration is at  —what? — a 40 year low?

    But still generalities to me.  What EXACT policy did he implement that you do not like and why not?  
    For some silly reason I get the idea you don’t agree with the tax plan?  So you would like to pay more in taxes?

    What about judges?  
    Pick something in particular.  Don’t just grow a bunch of things at once that are general.  Be particular.  

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    Your taxes went down.  Unless you are absolutely filthy rich or had something that was different than the last year.  

    So you listed a lot of things that are in process or not finished yet.  
    That is easy enough to do.  Now address the things that he has done and accomplished.  How were those because of grievances and who were they because of a grudge against?

    Have to see both sides to be clear about it.  
    But no, still nothing solid enough.  You cannot dispute the fact that the economy is on fire.  If it had gone in the drain you would’ve given him the blame — so now, give him credit for it doing great!  Of course, he is trying to turn around Obama’s policies.  But he is fighting congress every step of the way.  Wall?  Sure some is being built.  But is it a complete necessity?  No.  Illegal immigration is at  —what? — a 40 year low?

    But still generalities to me.  What EXACT policy did he implement that you do not like and why not?  
    For some silly reason I get the idea you don’t agree with the tax plan?  So you would like to pay more in taxes?

    What about judges?  
    Pick something in particular.  Don’t just grow a bunch of things at once that are general.  Be particular.  

     
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    America First" Energy Plan

    On June 1, 2017, Trump announced the U.S. withdrawal from the Paris Climate Agreement.


    "Smart Trade, Not Stupid Trade"

    Trump's trade policies promote mercantilism. He uses protectionismto defend U.S. industries from foreign competition. His goal is to reduce the U.S. trade deficit. In theory, the wealthier companies then generate higher taxes to fund military growth.


    "Repeal and Replace Obamacare"

    The Trump administration has weakened Obamacare even without repealing and replacing it. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act repeals the Affordable Care Act's tax penalties for those who don't get insurance. On January 11, 2018, it allowed states to impose work requirements on Medicaid recipients.22? It shortened the enrollment period and closed the federal exchanges during peak times during enrollment. 


    "Reduce the Debt"

    Trump said he would reduce the national debtby eliminating waste in federal spending. He demonstrated this ability in his campaign by using Twitter instead of an expensive PR campaign.24? He emphasized cost containment in his book "The Art of the Deal."

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    America First" Energy Plan

    On June 1, 2017, Trump announced the U.S. withdrawal from the Paris Climate Agreement.


    "Smart Trade, Not Stupid Trade"

    Trump's trade policies promote mercantilism. He uses protectionismto defend U.S. industries from foreign competition. His goal is to reduce the U.S. trade deficit. In theory, the wealthier companies then generate higher taxes to fund military growth.


    "Repeal and Replace Obamacare"

    The Trump administration has weakened Obamacare even without repealing and replacing it. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act repeals the Affordable Care Act's tax penalties for those who don't get insurance. On January 11, 2018, it allowed states to impose work requirements on Medicaid recipients.22? It shortened the enrollment period and closed the federal exchanges during peak times during enrollment. 


    "Reduce the Debt"

    Trump said he would reduce the national debtby eliminating waste in federal spending. He demonstrated this ability in his campaign by using Twitter instead of an expensive PR campaign.24? He emphasized cost containment in his book "The Art of the Deal."

     
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    "Send Illegal Immigrants Back"

    Trump's immigration policies focus on blocking illegal immigration. He promised to deport the 2 million to 3 million immigrants in the United States illegally who have criminal records. On October 8, 2017, he asked Congress to withhold federal funds from "sanctuary cities." 


    "Cut the Red Tape"

    During Trump's first 100 days, he asked federal departments for a list of wasteful regulations to be eliminated. He also canceled all prior executive orders. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce reported the Trump administration had issued 29 deregulatory executive actions.30? Federal agencies promptly issued 100 more directives. Congress introduced 50 pieces of legislation. It also repealed 14 Obama regulations.


    "Cut Government Spending" 

    Trump promised to cut waste. He has reduced the number of federal employees with a hiring freeze and promised budget reductions.38? Many appointed positions remain unfilled.


    "Be the Greatest Job-Producing President in U.S. History"

    Trump would have to create more than 18.6 million jobs to take that title. That's how many jobs President Bill Clinton created. To create the most jobs percentage-wise, Trump would have to beat President Franklin D. Roosevelt. He increased jobs by 21.5%. Trump would have to create at least 32.7 million jobs to beat FDR's record. 


    "Spend $1 trillion to rebuild U.S. infrastructure." In January 2018, the administration is planning to release a 70-page infrastructure plan.


    "Make the U.S. Military So Strong No One Will Mess With Us"

    Trump promised to increase the Department of Defense budget by 10%.44? He added that 3% of GNP for military spending is too low, it should be 6.5%. Trump budgeted $574.5 billion for the DoD. That's exactly 10% more than the $526.1 billion in the FY 2017 enacted budget. U.S. military spending, including Homeland Security and Veterans Affairs,

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    "Send Illegal Immigrants Back"

    Trump's immigration policies focus on blocking illegal immigration. He promised to deport the 2 million to 3 million immigrants in the United States illegally who have criminal records. On October 8, 2017, he asked Congress to withhold federal funds from "sanctuary cities." 


    "Cut the Red Tape"

    During Trump's first 100 days, he asked federal departments for a list of wasteful regulations to be eliminated. He also canceled all prior executive orders. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce reported the Trump administration had issued 29 deregulatory executive actions.30? Federal agencies promptly issued 100 more directives. Congress introduced 50 pieces of legislation. It also repealed 14 Obama regulations.


    "Cut Government Spending" 

    Trump promised to cut waste. He has reduced the number of federal employees with a hiring freeze and promised budget reductions.38? Many appointed positions remain unfilled.


    "Be the Greatest Job-Producing President in U.S. History"

    Trump would have to create more than 18.6 million jobs to take that title. That's how many jobs President Bill Clinton created. To create the most jobs percentage-wise, Trump would have to beat President Franklin D. Roosevelt. He increased jobs by 21.5%. Trump would have to create at least 32.7 million jobs to beat FDR's record. 


    "Spend $1 trillion to rebuild U.S. infrastructure." In January 2018, the administration is planning to release a 70-page infrastructure plan.


    "Make the U.S. Military So Strong No One Will Mess With Us"

    Trump promised to increase the Department of Defense budget by 10%.44? He added that 3% of GNP for military spending is too low, it should be 6.5%. Trump budgeted $574.5 billion for the DoD. That's exactly 10% more than the $526.1 billion in the FY 2017 enacted budget. U.S. military spending, including Homeland Security and Veterans Affairs,

     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2020 - 9:05 PM ET #594

    Those are the economic policies that the guy highlighted to pick apart.  He also pointed out the ones that were dropped.  

    But just take one or two of those and see what you can do with them. 

    Start with one or two.  Don’t throw a whole bunch out there at once.  That way we can stay on point. 
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    Those are the economic policies that the guy highlighted to pick apart.  He also pointed out the ones that were dropped.  

    But just take one or two of those and see what you can do with them. 

    Start with one or two.  Don’t throw a whole bunch out there at once.  That way we can stay on point. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2020 - 9:24 PM ET #595

    Our Military...no one is going to screw with it. We have so many more resources than every other country. We spend more on our military than any other country.

    So if Trump really wants to cut the federal budget, he needs to start at the Pentagon.

     

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    Our Military...no one is going to screw with it. We have so many more resources than every other country. We spend more on our military than any other country.

    So if Trump really wants to cut the federal budget, he needs to start at the Pentagon.

     

     
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    Say that out loud and see how it sounds?
    Is that really the best plan?  
    Wouldn’t that obviously weaken our military?
    Don’t you think there are many other places that are not necessary and even wasteful that could be cut first?

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    Say that out loud and see how it sounds?
    Is that really the best plan?  
    Wouldn’t that obviously weaken our military?
    Don’t you think there are many other places that are not necessary and even wasteful that could be cut first?

     
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    Maybe the pentagon and some of the bureaucracy and some of the wasteful spending.  Sure, we can all agree with that.  
    But usually when people push this idea forward they are referring to programs, etc.  
    I remember years ago when Left kept wanting to cut C-17 cargo program because of the expense.  I think at one time was the number two line item in the defense budget.  So, I understand it would save money.  But look at how much we use those all over the world today and not just for military needs — but humanitarian needs.  If Democrats had their way — which they eventually did get — we would not have but a handful of these planes. 
    I just see many other places to cutback without starting with the military. 
    I think the issues around the world that we help out with — that is another argument — show we should be careful with that idea.  
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    Maybe the pentagon and some of the bureaucracy and some of the wasteful spending.  Sure, we can all agree with that.  
    But usually when people push this idea forward they are referring to programs, etc.  
    I remember years ago when Left kept wanting to cut C-17 cargo program because of the expense.  I think at one time was the number two line item in the defense budget.  So, I understand it would save money.  But look at how much we use those all over the world today and not just for military needs — but humanitarian needs.  If Democrats had their way — which they eventually did get — we would not have but a handful of these planes. 
    I just see many other places to cutback without starting with the military. 
    I think the issues around the world that we help out with — that is another argument — show we should be careful with that idea.  
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2020 - 12:53 PM ET #598

    Ever hear of TransGem? They make a part needed by our military that costs them $32 to produce. They sell it to the military for $1443.00 each at a total cost of almost $250k.

    The Army spent 5 billion for new uniforms for improved camouflage that literally did the opposite under Bush.

    Under President O 84 million was spent on erectile dysfunction. Save the jokes.

    53 million spent on sports related tributes. The NFL MLB, NBA etc charged the military "paid Patriotism."

    NASCAR got 136 million for these "meet & greets."

    1.33 billion on the flawed F-35's  where the manufacturer & software companies were never held accountable.

    Add all this to the pork Congress makes sure their districts get & this is the waste I am talking about.

    So don't try to spin it like I or the Left "want" to weaken our military. That's bullshit talking points from the Trump Party. 

     

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    Ever hear of TransGem? They make a part needed by our military that costs them $32 to produce. They sell it to the military for $1443.00 each at a total cost of almost $250k.

    The Army spent 5 billion for new uniforms for improved camouflage that literally did the opposite under Bush.

    Under President O 84 million was spent on erectile dysfunction. Save the jokes.

    53 million spent on sports related tributes. The NFL MLB, NBA etc charged the military "paid Patriotism."

    NASCAR got 136 million for these "meet & greets."

    1.33 billion on the flawed F-35's  where the manufacturer & software companies were never held accountable.

    Add all this to the pork Congress makes sure their districts get & this is the waste I am talking about.

    So don't try to spin it like I or the Left "want" to weaken our military. That's bullshit talking points from the Trump Party. 

     

     
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    I agree with the waste. Sure cut that out. 

    The left/right on the military has been going on since WAY before Trump.  Actually has nothing to do with him. 
    The program I mentioned was huge and was before Trump.  That is always the point the right has against the left in the military.  

    Ok. So we agree cut waste in pentagon.  I am sure that we agree on cutting waste and unneeded regulations all over.  
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    I agree with the waste. Sure cut that out. 

    The left/right on the military has been going on since WAY before Trump.  Actually has nothing to do with him. 
    The program I mentioned was huge and was before Trump.  That is always the point the right has against the left in the military.  

    Ok. So we agree cut waste in pentagon.  I am sure that we agree on cutting waste and unneeded regulations all over.  
     
     
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    Next subject....Peace in the Middle East

    I don't know if this will happen in our lifetime. However, Trump's selection of Jared Kushner to head up this effort for the United States is absolutely ridiculous.

    He doesn't understand the issues, the long history of failed peace plans, the broken promises, the cultural differences, the lack of trust, different agendas of both groups & the establishment of international law.

    All previous attempts have failed and naming Jared Kushner proves Trump has no interest in bringing peace between Israel & Palestine. 

    This Trump promise never had a chance of being fulfilled. 

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    Next subject....Peace in the Middle East

    I don't know if this will happen in our lifetime. However, Trump's selection of Jared Kushner to head up this effort for the United States is absolutely ridiculous.

    He doesn't understand the issues, the long history of failed peace plans, the broken promises, the cultural differences, the lack of trust, different agendas of both groups & the establishment of international law.

    All previous attempts have failed and naming Jared Kushner proves Trump has no interest in bringing peace between Israel & Palestine. 

    This Trump promise never had a chance of being fulfilled. 

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