Confidence, trust and faith in Trump is/was huge vs a criminal like Hillary. That is not stupid!
Actually, it is pretty dumb but Hillary isn't great either. I suspect I'd prefer corporate corruption over mafia-style criminality out of Trump. However, it doesn't matter because the main point of your post was to suggest placing trust and faith in someone like Trump was smart. However, that's wrong. It's dumb. Very dumb. I'm not going to convince anyone on here so that's about all I'll say.
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Quote Originally Posted by sundance:
Confidence, trust and faith in Trump is/was huge vs a criminal like Hillary. That is not stupid!
Actually, it is pretty dumb but Hillary isn't great either. I suspect I'd prefer corporate corruption over mafia-style criminality out of Trump. However, it doesn't matter because the main point of your post was to suggest placing trust and faith in someone like Trump was smart. However, that's wrong. It's dumb. Very dumb. I'm not going to convince anyone on here so that's about all I'll say.
So the stock market is your measure of success for Trump?
The stock market is not the economy, the stock market is large cap multi national companies who profit from taking advantage of the economy...Trump was/is seen as an insider for corps and they are right.
Trump does not represent the economy or anyone but the elite, the elite like freebies, they like lack of regulation and carte blanche do to whatever the hell they want...just like Trump.
Yeah and they like allowing ivory to be imported too.
He didn't really care about the reply you provided. People who are disingenuous intentionally ask another question as a retort to an original query as an attempt to discredit the conversation entirely. I'd bet he employs that tactic frequently or uses the other tactic of asking but what about them or that other thing, rather than directly answering.
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
So the stock market is your measure of success for Trump?
The stock market is not the economy, the stock market is large cap multi national companies who profit from taking advantage of the economy...Trump was/is seen as an insider for corps and they are right.
Trump does not represent the economy or anyone but the elite, the elite like freebies, they like lack of regulation and carte blanche do to whatever the hell they want...just like Trump.
Yeah and they like allowing ivory to be imported too.
He didn't really care about the reply you provided. People who are disingenuous intentionally ask another question as a retort to an original query as an attempt to discredit the conversation entirely. I'd bet he employs that tactic frequently or uses the other tactic of asking but what about them or that other thing, rather than directly answering.
He didn't really care about the reply you provided. People who are disingenuous intentionally ask another question as a retort to an original query as an attempt to discredit the conversation entirely. I'd bet he employs that tactic frequently or uses the other tactic of asking but what about them or that other thing, rather than directly answering.
Quite true... I am ok with people having a legit difference in opinion, but the three in this thread are just a joke..this partisan garbage consv vs lib is so infantile and pathetic.
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Quote Originally Posted by sicknesscity:
He didn't really care about the reply you provided. People who are disingenuous intentionally ask another question as a retort to an original query as an attempt to discredit the conversation entirely. I'd bet he employs that tactic frequently or uses the other tactic of asking but what about them or that other thing, rather than directly answering.
Quite true... I am ok with people having a legit difference in opinion, but the three in this thread are just a joke..this partisan garbage consv vs lib is so infantile and pathetic.
1) Did Trump inherit the same economy Obama inherited ?
2) How many jobs was the US economy losing when Trump was inaugurated ?
3) Trump has not legislated anything that would have any impact on the deficit,economy or the fiscal accounts
How did Trump policies decrease the debt ?
4) Stock markets gains benefit stockholders.
The government does not get anything from stockholders to pay down debt or for government spending until assets are sold and taxed, which could take years.
It's also worth noting that some gains may never be taxed
5) From Obama’s inauguration through Oct. 12, 2009, the Standard & Poor’s index increased by a whopping 34 percent, outpacing Trump’s 19 percent over the same portion of his presidency.
under Obama there were wealth gains that could not be applied to reduce the debt.
what is Trump doing differently ?
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1) Did Trump inherit the same economy Obama inherited ?
2) How many jobs was the US economy losing when Trump was inaugurated ?
3) Trump has not legislated anything that would have any impact on the deficit,economy or the fiscal accounts
How did Trump policies decrease the debt ?
4) Stock markets gains benefit stockholders.
The government does not get anything from stockholders to pay down debt or for government spending until assets are sold and taxed, which could take years.
It's also worth noting that some gains may never be taxed
5) From Obama’s inauguration through Oct. 12, 2009, the Standard & Poor’s index increased by a whopping 34 percent, outpacing Trump’s 19 percent over the same portion of his presidency.
under Obama there were wealth gains that could not be applied to reduce the debt.
Why did every rag in the country say the market would crash if Trump won the election?
This question seems difficult for you to answer.
I answered it..post 20.
You really think it is difficult for me to answer?
The market was not listening to the MEDIA...the media tried to blow things out of proportion because that is what the media does...not just political media, exaggeration exists in every kind of media...sports, general news, politics, financial, all of them.
So who cares what the media was saying?
The market was not forecasting a drop, if so the indexes would have dropped in anticipation well before the election and as of the election and that did not happen.
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Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:
Why did every rag in the country say the market would crash if Trump won the election?
This question seems difficult for you to answer.
I answered it..post 20.
You really think it is difficult for me to answer?
The market was not listening to the MEDIA...the media tried to blow things out of proportion because that is what the media does...not just political media, exaggeration exists in every kind of media...sports, general news, politics, financial, all of them.
So who cares what the media was saying?
The market was not forecasting a drop, if so the indexes would have dropped in anticipation well before the election and as of the election and that did not happen.
My last post in this thread I will state the following. Our country will never be great again under leadership from the Left. The Left punishes success.
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My last post in this thread I will state the following. Our country will never be great again under leadership from the Left. The Left punishes success.
Wallstreetcapper is right. No evidence that Trump is responsible for decrease in national debt according to Center of budget and policy. Trump hasn't legislated anything that would have any impact on fiscal accounts. More likely cause is the federal debt ceiling imposed previously by Congress. Eventually, debt ceiling must be lifted and national debt should increase in the future.
Trump takes credit for strong economy built by Obama. Still too early to give Trump any credit. According to one university poll, more Americans give credit to Obama for current state of economy than to Trump.
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Wallstreetcapper is right. No evidence that Trump is responsible for decrease in national debt according to Center of budget and policy. Trump hasn't legislated anything that would have any impact on fiscal accounts. More likely cause is the federal debt ceiling imposed previously by Congress. Eventually, debt ceiling must be lifted and national debt should increase in the future.
Trump takes credit for strong economy built by Obama. Still too early to give Trump any credit. According to one university poll, more Americans give credit to Obama for current state of economy than to Trump.
The market was not listening to the media? No kidding. Why would the market listen to the media?
The media tried to blow things out of proportion? What? They said Hillary would be good for the market and Trump would be bad.... I ask you why they said this and your response is that the media blows things out of proportion?
Who cares what the media is saying?
What?
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The market was not listening to the media? No kidding. Why would the market listen to the media?
The media tried to blow things out of proportion? What? They said Hillary would be good for the market and Trump would be bad.... I ask you why they said this and your response is that the media blows things out of proportion?
The market was not listening to the media? No kidding. Why would the market listen to the media?
The media tried to blow things out of proportion? What? They said Hillary would be good for the market and Trump would be bad.... I ask you why they said this and your response is that the media blows things out of proportion?
Who cares what the media is saying?
What?
You said the media was predicting a market drop if Trump was elected, I said the market does not care what the media says...I also said the market did not drop either before (due to uncertainty) or after (to validate the opinion) and who cares what the media says?
The media exaggerates in every way in every segment...that is what attracts viewers and sells advertising. Who cares what the media says.
I guess these concepts are too difficult to understand, I am not sure what else to tell you. If you live your life based on what the media tells you I for sure cannot help you, not that I think I could anyway.
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Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:
The market was not listening to the media? No kidding. Why would the market listen to the media?
The media tried to blow things out of proportion? What? They said Hillary would be good for the market and Trump would be bad.... I ask you why they said this and your response is that the media blows things out of proportion?
Who cares what the media is saying?
What?
You said the media was predicting a market drop if Trump was elected, I said the market does not care what the media says...I also said the market did not drop either before (due to uncertainty) or after (to validate the opinion) and who cares what the media says?
The media exaggerates in every way in every segment...that is what attracts viewers and sells advertising. Who cares what the media says.
I guess these concepts are too difficult to understand, I am not sure what else to tell you. If you live your life based on what the media tells you I for sure cannot help you, not that I think I could anyway.
I knew Trump was going to win looooooooooong before you or anyone in the media did. It was the best bet of the century and I was telling it from the rooftops.
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I knew Trump was going to win looooooooooong before you or anyone in the media did. It was the best bet of the century and I was telling it from the rooftops.
The media said the market would react positively to Clinton and negatively to Trump.
Your response is that the media exaggerates in every way in every segment?
Yup...see the business model of a media company is to get people to watch their shows, so then they can sell advertising and that advertising pays for said shows.
Soooooooo can you do the simple math and extrapolate that the media in every segment exaggerates to attract viewers?
Sports shows exaggerate...market shows (CNBC especially) exaggerate, news shows exaggerate, religious shows exaggerate, local news have dramatic pieces at key times to keep viewers watching during their advertising.
Pretty simple concept...why are you so stuck on Clinton and what the media said? Was it the first time the media got something wrong? Will it be the last time?
Silly discussion here...lets move along and you can return to your other wandering thread.
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Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:
The media said the market would react positively to Clinton and negatively to Trump.
Your response is that the media exaggerates in every way in every segment?
Yup...see the business model of a media company is to get people to watch their shows, so then they can sell advertising and that advertising pays for said shows.
Soooooooo can you do the simple math and extrapolate that the media in every segment exaggerates to attract viewers?
Sports shows exaggerate...market shows (CNBC especially) exaggerate, news shows exaggerate, religious shows exaggerate, local news have dramatic pieces at key times to keep viewers watching during their advertising.
Pretty simple concept...why are you so stuck on Clinton and what the media said? Was it the first time the media got something wrong? Will it be the last time?
Silly discussion here...lets move along and you can return to your other wandering thread.
I like the president and the fact he openly is patriotic and is an American. We all know he has a big mouth but we can live with that, and I do feel like he has our back. I'm not so worried that he will become like the Clintons and sell us down the road for a bunch of money because Donald is already loaded. Would like to see Obama,Hillary and Eric holder all cozy in the same cell.
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I like the president and the fact he openly is patriotic and is an American. We all know he has a big mouth but we can live with that, and I do feel like he has our back. I'm not so worried that he will become like the Clintons and sell us down the road for a bunch of money because Donald is already loaded. Would like to see Obama,Hillary and Eric holder all cozy in the same cell.
My last post in this thread I will state the following. Our country will never be great again under leadership from the Left. The Left punishes success.
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Quote Originally Posted by sundance:
My last post in this thread I will state the following. Our country will never be great again under leadership from the Left. The Left punishes success.
What SPECIFICALLY related only to Trump and his actions can you attribute to what you claim?
Since you are asking me... I will have to assume you do not know.
So , I'll tell you ..
First off as a starting line.....When President-elect Donald Trump took the oath of office on January
20, 2017, debt as a share of the economy was higher than at the
start of any other presidency since Truman took office at the end of World War II.....
What President Trump has done to contribute to the decrease in the debt to GDP ratio is both tangible and intangible.. the most tangible action President Trump has done is his pro-business policies... e.i. deregulation and blocking new regulations..to help key industries with the reduction ofwasteful rules and regulations..
This is a big deal ...regulatory reform policy efforts by the Trump administration is improving the U.S. manufacturing sector’s operating environment and optimism..
..and optimism is the intangible part..and a very important part..consumers need to remain confident that the economy will continue to expand..business will spend and consumers will spend if they are optimistic.
As an example ....consumer confidence rose to 125.9 in October, according to the Conference Board. The index "increased to its highest level in almost 17 years.
President Trump is restoring confidence in America again..confidence in the economy and the prospect of improving business conditions.....he is working with the private sector to get companies re-investing in America. .. and creating an environment for job-creation..with his pro-growth agenda..
People are starting to feel like we are winning again..at home and abroad ( no more apologizing for America) America is winning again and President Trump is making America great again..
So,, all you Never-Trumpers can keep on crying and complaining because Donald Trump won the election,,but regardless "the beat goes on"..
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
Well can you answer the question?
What SPECIFICALLY related only to Trump and his actions can you attribute to what you claim?
Since you are asking me... I will have to assume you do not know.
So , I'll tell you ..
First off as a starting line.....When President-elect Donald Trump took the oath of office on January
20, 2017, debt as a share of the economy was higher than at the
start of any other presidency since Truman took office at the end of World War II.....
What President Trump has done to contribute to the decrease in the debt to GDP ratio is both tangible and intangible.. the most tangible action President Trump has done is his pro-business policies... e.i. deregulation and blocking new regulations..to help key industries with the reduction ofwasteful rules and regulations..
This is a big deal ...regulatory reform policy efforts by the Trump administration is improving the U.S. manufacturing sector’s operating environment and optimism..
..and optimism is the intangible part..and a very important part..consumers need to remain confident that the economy will continue to expand..business will spend and consumers will spend if they are optimistic.
As an example ....consumer confidence rose to 125.9 in October, according to the Conference Board. The index "increased to its highest level in almost 17 years.
President Trump is restoring confidence in America again..confidence in the economy and the prospect of improving business conditions.....he is working with the private sector to get companies re-investing in America. .. and creating an environment for job-creation..with his pro-growth agenda..
People are starting to feel like we are winning again..at home and abroad ( no more apologizing for America) America is winning again and President Trump is making America great again..
So,, all you Never-Trumpers can keep on crying and complaining because Donald Trump won the election,,but regardless "the beat goes on"..
You really said nothing and did not answer the question.
Intangibles are extremely subjective and mean nothing especially in the long term when it comes to policy. Perception of the business community to boost profits is not making America great, it is giving more freebies and profits to large corps who are already maximizing profits. Is this your idea of making America great?
What regulatory reform has Trump actually completed and how is the manufacturing sector better because of policies and reform that TRUMP has accomplished?
Please do more than twitter blabbering and generalizing. You created the thread with the absurd claims, please back them up with more than intangible, unquantifiable wandering.
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SS,
You really said nothing and did not answer the question.
Intangibles are extremely subjective and mean nothing especially in the long term when it comes to policy. Perception of the business community to boost profits is not making America great, it is giving more freebies and profits to large corps who are already maximizing profits. Is this your idea of making America great?
What regulatory reform has Trump actually completed and how is the manufacturing sector better because of policies and reform that TRUMP has accomplished?
Please do more than twitter blabbering and generalizing. You created the thread with the absurd claims, please back them up with more than intangible, unquantifiable wandering.
Mark Cuban: "If the polls look like there’s a decent chance that Donald could win, I’ll put a huge hedge on that’s over 100% of my equity positions… that protects me just in case he wins.”
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
Define IT please...Mark Cuban says many things...and Mark Cuban is no fan of Trump...so what is IT?
Mark Cuban: "If the polls look like there’s a decent chance that Donald could win, I’ll put a huge hedge on that’s over 100% of my equity positions… that protects me just in case he wins.”
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