Natural Immunity

Why can’t people with natural immunity get a Covid certificate? Natural immunity is real. Why does the CDC deny science?

You mean people who have had covid and recovered or people who just say, "I have a really strong immune system?"

It would be people that test positive for COVID anti-bodies.

Stu, check this out,

Israeli study showed "People who had two vaccine shots had a six-fold higher chance of getting infected with Delta than patients who hadn’t been vaccinated but previously contracted the coronavirus, according to the research."

46,000 people in this study

https://www.timesofisrael.com/study-covid-recovery-gave-israelis-longer-lasting-delta-defense-than-vaccines/

So I can just see the folks at our CDC saying; "Quick find me a study that contradicts that Israeli study!!"

Here's what they threw at us and the media ran with it, of course; "In today’s MMWR, a study of COVID-19 infections in Kentucky among people who were previously infected with SAR-CoV-2 shows that unvaccinated individuals are more than twice as likely to be reinfected with COVID-19 than those who were fully vaccinated after initially contracting the virus. These data further indicate that COVID-19 vaccines offer better protection than natural immunity alone and that vaccines, even after prior infection, help prevent reinfections."

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection.html

NOW, there were 5 limitations to the Kentucky study. Try to find it!! Google it, "Kentucky natural immunity study five limitations."

It's almost completely buried Stu. I have it in another thread.

The 5 limitations were;

----Only 738 people in the study 

----reinfections were confirmed using an antigen test and not the whole genome sequencing needed to confirm that the reinfection was caused by a distinct virus and was not related to the first infection. 

----vaccinated people are less likely to get tested for COVID-19, which could overestimate the relationship between lack of vaccination and reinfection. 

----they used the Kentucky database to find the vaccinated. NOT all vaccinated people are in the database so some who were counted as unvaxed may have been. 

I'll have to keep digging to find that 5th limitation

A TOTALLY USELESS STUDY WITH THE RIGHT ANSWER. AND THAT's ALL THEY WANTED, NOT THE TRUTH, THE RIGHT ANSWER.

NATURAL IMMUNITY IS TOTALLY IGNORED. SCIENCE DOESN'T MATTER!!!!

Found those limitations, word for word; (try and find them on Google now)

--First, reinfection was not confirmed through whole genome sequencing, which would be necessary to definitively prove that the reinfection was caused from a distinct virus relative to the first infection. Although in some cases the repeat positive test could be indicative of prolonged viral shedding or failure to clear the initial viral infection (9), given the time between initial and subsequent positive molecular tests among participants in this study, reinfection is the most likely explanation.

--Second, persons who have been vaccinated are possibly less likely to get tested. Therefore, the association of reinfection and lack of vaccination might be overestimated.

--Third, vaccine doses administered at federal or out-of-state sites are not typically entered in KYIR, so vaccination data are possibly missing for some persons in these analyses. In addition, inconsistencies in name and date of birth between KYIR and NEDSS might limit ability to match the two databases. Because case investigations include questions regarding vaccination, and KYIR might be updated during the case investigation process, vaccination data might be more likely to be missing for controls. Thus, the OR might be even more favorable for vaccination.

--Fourth, although case-patients and controls were matched based on age, sex, and date of initial infection, other unknown confounders might be present.

--Finally, this is a retrospective study design using data from a single state during a 2-month period; therefore, these findings cannot be used to infer causation. Additional prospective studies with larger populations are warranted to support these findings.

I think you already know the answer Detox.

It's all about obidience.

OMG, the Trumpers will get natural immunity and ignore our demands!!!! NO SUCH THING!! NO SUCH THING!!! NATURAL IMMUNITY NO GOOD!! LOOK AT BOGUS KENTUCKY STUDY, SEE VACCINE ONLY WAY!!!!

So obvious.

@UNIMAN

 That's what I was getting at. As we creep towards vaccination passports being a universal thing, there should be an exemption for people who have previously contracted the virus and tested positive for antibodies.

Exemption for having antibodies indeed   

But they won't even talk about it because pushing the shot is all they, including Big pharma, care about.  So much for "the science".  

Doctors don't want to encourage vaccine hesitant people to intentionally get covid infections. Hippocratic oath requires them to do no harm.  Problem is that risks of serious illness or death outweigh any benefit from natural immunity.  Immune response varies widely in individuals.  Some develop super human immunity while others experience nothing.  At least vaccines are more researched and produce more consistent immune response.  For a large population, vaccination can safely produce immunity in far more people in less time.  Vast majority of doctors in vote by American medical association oppose immunity passport to agree with Center for disease control.  Only a few countries such as France issue immunity passports which aren't widely accepted worldwide.

What an insane answer 

Most of the country already has natural immunity. And people who have recovered from "Covid19" have superior antibodies compared to the fake vaccinated who produce antibodies to the spike protein and when variants change they don't work. This is why the Red Cross has warning all Americans that the Covid vaxxed are ineligible to donate convalescent plasma. The tainted blood of the vaxxed will wipe out any natural antibodies that any person's body has created to fight Covid19 or it's variants, so those people cannot help others fighting and or dying from the problem.

You ask rhetorical questions so that you can stand in the center of that circle jerk of pathetic trolls that will surround you. Your like the old man in the park who comes to feed the pigeons because they are his "friends" until one of them shits on your thread. Or the cat lady who goes around the neighborhood feeding the feral cats (troll queens) to satisfy some demented psychological need. It is what it is on Covers. If it wasn't you they would find someone else to do it.   

Fact checks by USAtoday, factcheck and Reuters rank false the claim that vaccinated people cannot donate blood to American or Japanese red cross.  Vaccines don't hinder pre-existing anti-bodies.   Convalescent plasma is collected from infected people who recover from disease.  Food drug administration states vaccinated people can donate convalescent plasma if they test positive for coronavirus.

Source? 

Humans have been roaming this planet for thousands of years but for some reason the MSM has convinced the sheeple that we need big pharma to save us from a virus

WAKE THE HELL UP PEOPLE…this is all about the money! We will survive and gain natural immunity, without this stupid vaccine and all it’s boosters, like we have since the beginning of time.

You fools don’t need to fact check that on your bullshit fake news fact checking sites because mankind is still here..so that’s the only fact you need. 

Foolish to choose disease over vaccine.  Historically, vaccines have been the solutions to every major infectious disease.  For examples, measles, HIV and influenza.  Before vaccination, smallpox pandemic killed over 500 million people over 100 years.  Vaccines help reduce infections, hospitalizations, deaths and duration of pandemics.  Without vaccines, there would be millions of covid deaths if entire US population is infected since coronavirus is 10 times deadlier than the flu.  No one wants to return to primitive times without modern medicine.

@thirdperson

FYI there is no vaccine for HIV. Polio and small pox had been around for many millennia so it was survival of the fittest.  Just like how every other species survives on this planet without vaccines! You also realize that there are many many side effects to these vaccines or has your puppet master (MSM) not told you that? Wake up man, your being conned. This is all about making money, not your safety.

Also you say about 5 million died a year from smallpox but you aren’t worried that almost 10 million die from heart disease every year. You should be campaigning against the FDA and corporations like mcdonolds who cause this disease but instead youre supporting the FDA/WHO/CDC and big pharma who only stand to profit from something 97.7% of the population would survive from without their bullshit intervention.

I prefer to eat healthy and exercise to strengthen my immune system so let me be me and you be you…but stop passing along government/big business propaganda and trying to manipulate other braindead soles.

Only a minority of people are vaccine hesitant.  Most Americans are smart in supporting vaccination.  Majority of those eligible have received their shots.  Serious side effects are very rare.  Most people just experience minor symptoms for a few days.  Vaccine adverse event reporting system disclaimer warns that reported data is unverified.  Food drug administration and European medicine agency confirm vaccines are safe and effective which have been proven by millions of doses administered worldwide.  Safety of covid vaccines are the most closely monitored in history.  No scientific evidence that nutrition and exercise can treat covid illness because evidences show healthy people are still vulnerable.  Covid infections are far more risky than vaccines.  

@thirdperson

Keep drinking the koolaid pal. These so called “experts” don’t really know the long term side effects so stop pushing a false narrative. Your trusted Doctors and Scientist aren't god. Mother nature and natural immunity have prevailed and will continue to do so without intervention. 

It can even be argued that all vaccines and most modern medicines (outside of surgery) are a detriment to mankind…you know the saying “the cure is worse than the disease”. 

Why do you think cancer is so prevalent? Is it because your trusted government (FDA) takes lobbyists money which allows corporations to pollute our food, water and air. All so them and the executives can profit. And I bet you are ok with that.

I should add… “They” don’t do any of  this because they’re evil (let’s hope), even though money is the root of all evil. “They” do it with good intentions (like this vaccine) but “they” don’t really know the longterm ramifications.

Neither do you, CNN or Dr Fauci

The FDA also spent 10 years saying that OxyContin wasn’t addictive. 

The Biopharmaceutical Industry Provides 75% Of The FDA's Drug Review Budget. Is This A Problem?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnlamattina/2018/06/28/the-biopharmaceutical-industry-provides-75-of-the-fdas-drug-review-budget-is-this-a-problem/?sh=15c3b01649ec

@I_Need_A_Detox

 Oh, it gets deeper that that. I read a couple books on the subject some years back. How about the doctors that sit on panels for the FDA often are also paid, as "consultants", by the pharmaceutical companies.

So you're a doctor, let's say you're making 200K a year, doctors salaries fluctuate wildly... You're making 200K a year as a doctor but 500K as a "consultant" to a pharmaceutical company. Subconsciously, or even consciously, where is your loyalty?

Not only that but people think the FDA is this army of doctors and pharmacologist. That all testing is rigorous and extremely stringent but the FDA is massively underfunded. As you spoke to, the drug companies have to find their own tests because if they didn't, nothing would get tested. And they do, what can only be described as "rush testing", I guess, for lack of a more nuanced term. They basically want to maximize the time they have before a patent runs out. So they rush drugs to market. This is how drugs make it to market only to be recalled 6 months later. You watch those commercials and ask yourself, "How did that stuff even make if through trials??"

Which drug company has the former FDA commissioner on its Board with a generous stock options package?

Would anyone like to take a guess? 

Pfizer or Moderna? We know it's one of them. Knowing what I know about the industry, and Moderna, I would guess Pfizer. Let me know i'm right so I don't have to Google.

Yep, Pfizer