Bigotry has blowback, even in mostly conservative North Carolina.
“Since the North Carolina legislature last March passed House Bill 2, a controversial law restricting transgender bathroom access and limiting the civil rights and bathroom usage of the LGBT community, the state has lost the NBA All-Star Game, Bruce Springsteen and other concerts and conventions and an untold amount of revenue,” the Raleigh News & Observer reports.
“Now North Carolina is losing the NCAA tournament. The NCAA announced on Monday that the seven championships scheduled in the state during this academic year, including NCAA men’s basketball tournament games in Greensboro, would be relocated because of House Bill 2, better known as HB2.”
Bigotry has blowback, even in mostly conservative North Carolina.
“Since the North Carolina legislature last March passed House Bill 2, a controversial law restricting transgender bathroom access and limiting the civil rights and bathroom usage of the LGBT community, the state has lost the NBA All-Star Game, Bruce Springsteen and other concerts and conventions and an untold amount of revenue,” the Raleigh News & Observer reports.
“Now North Carolina is losing the NCAA tournament. The NCAA announced on Monday that the seven championships scheduled in the state during this academic year, including NCAA men’s basketball tournament games in Greensboro, would be relocated because of House Bill 2, better known as HB2.”
The only idiots associated with this law are the ones that passed it. Letting a man in a woman's bathroom is beyond idiocy. Who is the corrupt NCAA anyway?
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The only idiots associated with this law are the ones that passed it. Letting a man in a woman's bathroom is beyond idiocy. Who is the corrupt NCAA anyway?
Duke and N.Carolina tarheels don't get to play home games in NCAA Men's Tourney because the NC Legislature doesn't want mentally ill sexual deviants in school bathrooms?? Both are hoisted on their petard!!
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Duke and N.Carolina tarheels don't get to play home games in NCAA Men's Tourney because the NC Legislature doesn't want mentally ill sexual deviants in school bathrooms?? Both are hoisted on their petard!!
I wonder how much people really cared about the transgender people before the war against gays and lesbians are toppled with the offering equal rights to marriage. But now that the focus is off of attacking that group transgendered people seem to be in the crosshairs for certain groups of people that concern themsleves with this type of thing.
I wonder what the next group of people these types of people will focus on next?
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Wow the dominos are really falling here.
I wonder how much people really cared about the transgender people before the war against gays and lesbians are toppled with the offering equal rights to marriage. But now that the focus is off of attacking that group transgendered people seem to be in the crosshairs for certain groups of people that concern themsleves with this type of thing.
I wonder what the next group of people these types of people will focus on next?
I wonder how much people really cared about the transgender people
before the war against gays and lesbians are toppled with the offering
equal rights to marriage.
i mentioned this before. after almost 20 years in criminal law, i've never seen or heard of a transvestite committing a crime anywhere, let alone in a bathroom. beyond that, i've never heard of anyone raising a concern over this issue in my life. yet, you have wingnut politicians or the media or religious people telling people to be scared of transvestites in the bathroom and the next thing you know, you have new laws and more government on a complete nonissue. even worse, you have a state like NC losing a shitload of money and jobs over it. you have "small government conservatives" defending the increased laws/government over this non-issue. it's truly and completely insane.
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I wonder how much people really cared about the transgender people
before the war against gays and lesbians are toppled with the offering
equal rights to marriage.
i mentioned this before. after almost 20 years in criminal law, i've never seen or heard of a transvestite committing a crime anywhere, let alone in a bathroom. beyond that, i've never heard of anyone raising a concern over this issue in my life. yet, you have wingnut politicians or the media or religious people telling people to be scared of transvestites in the bathroom and the next thing you know, you have new laws and more government on a complete nonissue. even worse, you have a state like NC losing a shitload of money and jobs over it. you have "small government conservatives" defending the increased laws/government over this non-issue. it's truly and completely insane.
Has it yet occurred to the ACC that it is located in North Carolina?
they know. they are working on moving it to a location that is a little more progressive than north carolina and similar southern states. the trick is to do it in the least burdensome way so they don't have to change merchandise, naming rights, etc. i hear the Afghanistan Coast Conference is in the lead right now.
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Quote Originally Posted by MaineRoad:
Has it yet occurred to the ACC that it is located in North Carolina?
they know. they are working on moving it to a location that is a little more progressive than north carolina and similar southern states. the trick is to do it in the least burdensome way so they don't have to change merchandise, naming rights, etc. i hear the Afghanistan Coast Conference is in the lead right now.
I wonder how much people really cared about the transgender people before the war against gays and lesbians are toppled with the offering equal rights to marriage.
i mentioned this before. after almost 20 years in criminal law, i've never seen or heard of a transvestite committing a crime anywhere, let alone in a bathroom. beyond that, i've never heard of anyone raising a concern over this issue in my life. yet, you have wingnut politicians or the media or religious people telling people to be scared of transvestites in the bathroom and the next thing you know, you have new laws and more government on a complete nonissue. even worse, you have a state like NC losing a shitload of money and jobs over it. you have "small government conservatives" defending the increased laws/government over this non-issue. it's truly and completely insane.
This has nothing to do with trannies committing a crime, nor has anything to do with their "rights" , as I think so many have confused on this issue. (NCAA, NBA, etc.) This has everything to do with a "privacy" issue, and I see no reason why 999 straight people must feel awkward for the 1 person that is the strange one.
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Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:
I wonder how much people really cared about the transgender people before the war against gays and lesbians are toppled with the offering equal rights to marriage.
i mentioned this before. after almost 20 years in criminal law, i've never seen or heard of a transvestite committing a crime anywhere, let alone in a bathroom. beyond that, i've never heard of anyone raising a concern over this issue in my life. yet, you have wingnut politicians or the media or religious people telling people to be scared of transvestites in the bathroom and the next thing you know, you have new laws and more government on a complete nonissue. even worse, you have a state like NC losing a shitload of money and jobs over it. you have "small government conservatives" defending the increased laws/government over this non-issue. it's truly and completely insane.
This has nothing to do with trannies committing a crime, nor has anything to do with their "rights" , as I think so many have confused on this issue. (NCAA, NBA, etc.) This has everything to do with a "privacy" issue, and I see no reason why 999 straight people must feel awkward for the 1 person that is the strange one.
This has nothing to do with trannies committing a crime, nor has anything to do with their "rights" , as I think so many have confused on this issue. (NCAA, NBA, etc.) This has everything to do with a "privacy" issue, and I see no reason why 999 straight people must feel awkward for the 1 person that is the strange one.
so we need more laws and more government to appease people's privacy concerns in bathrooms? that's republican "small government conservatism" at its finest.
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Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:
This has nothing to do with trannies committing a crime, nor has anything to do with their "rights" , as I think so many have confused on this issue. (NCAA, NBA, etc.) This has everything to do with a "privacy" issue, and I see no reason why 999 straight people must feel awkward for the 1 person that is the strange one.
so we need more laws and more government to appease people's privacy concerns in bathrooms? that's republican "small government conservatism" at its finest.
i'm curious. can any "small government conservatives" tell me how much more government we need to make sure insecure people are completely comfortable and never feel awkward when they go to public bathrooms?
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i'm curious. can any "small government conservatives" tell me how much more government we need to make sure insecure people are completely comfortable and never feel awkward when they go to public bathrooms?
How many problems are people in NC having in public restrooms down there? Seems odd, and I think it's pretty obvious that the people who support it are discriminating. Same people who don't want men in the bathrooms with their young girls probably won't want men who dress like women hiking up their skirt and pissing next to your young boys. In my state we just go in there and take care of our business and get out. Why is it that we aren't hearing a bunch of awful stories out of NC about attacks and molestations in the public restrooms? Does that even happen?
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How many problems are people in NC having in public restrooms down there? Seems odd, and I think it's pretty obvious that the people who support it are discriminating. Same people who don't want men in the bathrooms with their young girls probably won't want men who dress like women hiking up their skirt and pissing next to your young boys. In my state we just go in there and take care of our business and get out. Why is it that we aren't hearing a bunch of awful stories out of NC about attacks and molestations in the public restrooms? Does that even happen?
I wonder how much people really cared about the transgender people
before the war against gays and lesbians are toppled with the offering
equal rights to marriage.
i mentioned this before. after almost 20 years in criminal law, i've never seen or heard of a transvestite committing a crime anywhere, let alone in a bathroom. beyond that, i've never heard of anyone raising a concern over this issue in my life. yet, you have wingnut politicians or the media or religious people telling people to be scared of transvestites in the bathroom and the next thing you know, you have new laws and more government on a complete nonissue. even worse, you have a state like NC losing a shitload of money and jobs over it. you have "small government conservatives" defending the increased laws/government over this non-issue. it's truly and completely insane.
I have stayed out of this discussion because I can see both sides of it, and I'm not really sure there is a right or wrong answer to this.
On one hand, I fully support the LGBT community, and their rights.
On the other hand, allowing a person to use the bathroom to which they identify creates a potential problem ...
When (IMO not what if, but when) a grown man who is a sexual predator puts on a wig so he can legally follow a young girl into the women's bathroom, and commits the unspeakable, does the argument on this topic change?
Are there more transgendered people in this country, or sexual deviants? (as far as I can tell we have 1 of each right in this forum with islp and scalabrine, so that would make it 50-50)
It's a serious question which must be considered.
Does allowing transgendered people to choose which bathroom to use open up pandora's box?
If the argument against the NC law is that the LGBT community are sexual deviants, then that argument is baseless.
If the argument for the NC law is that there is no risk in it, then that argument is flawed.
Any law, which "potentially" puts children at risk must be thoroughly reviewed
bigreds daddy
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Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:
I wonder how much people really cared about the transgender people
before the war against gays and lesbians are toppled with the offering
equal rights to marriage.
i mentioned this before. after almost 20 years in criminal law, i've never seen or heard of a transvestite committing a crime anywhere, let alone in a bathroom. beyond that, i've never heard of anyone raising a concern over this issue in my life. yet, you have wingnut politicians or the media or religious people telling people to be scared of transvestites in the bathroom and the next thing you know, you have new laws and more government on a complete nonissue. even worse, you have a state like NC losing a shitload of money and jobs over it. you have "small government conservatives" defending the increased laws/government over this non-issue. it's truly and completely insane.
I have stayed out of this discussion because I can see both sides of it, and I'm not really sure there is a right or wrong answer to this.
On one hand, I fully support the LGBT community, and their rights.
On the other hand, allowing a person to use the bathroom to which they identify creates a potential problem ...
When (IMO not what if, but when) a grown man who is a sexual predator puts on a wig so he can legally follow a young girl into the women's bathroom, and commits the unspeakable, does the argument on this topic change?
Are there more transgendered people in this country, or sexual deviants? (as far as I can tell we have 1 of each right in this forum with islp and scalabrine, so that would make it 50-50)
It's a serious question which must be considered.
Does allowing transgendered people to choose which bathroom to use open up pandora's box?
If the argument against the NC law is that the LGBT community are sexual deviants, then that argument is baseless.
If the argument for the NC law is that there is no risk in it, then that argument is flawed.
Any law, which "potentially" puts children at risk must be thoroughly reviewed
I think NC was puttin' the fix on what Charlotte was trying to pass. Isn't that the genesis of this beautiful mess ?
i do think it started with charlotte so i would say the same to them. but, the answer to excessive government is not more government. also, the NC law, and this is part of their problem, goes well beyond bathroom etiquette and includes all sorts of other discrimination.
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Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:
I think NC was puttin' the fix on what Charlotte was trying to pass. Isn't that the genesis of this beautiful mess ?
i do think it started with charlotte so i would say the same to them. but, the answer to excessive government is not more government. also, the NC law, and this is part of their problem, goes well beyond bathroom etiquette and includes all sorts of other discrimination.
When (IMO not what if, but when) a grown man who is a sexual predator
puts on a wig so he can legally follow a young girl into the women's
bathroom, and commits the unspeakable, does the argument on this topic
change?
that's a valid argument. first, this law isn't the answer. as i mentioned, this law goes well beyond bathroom use and includes all sorts of other discrimination. secondly, we already have laws that make committing sex crimes against kids or anyone else illegal. creating another law that purportedly carves out some sort of safe space (i thought those didn't work) in bathrooms provides no extra protection to stop what you described. it's just more laws and more government which is almost never the answer. however, in this case, while it doesn't add any protection above what is already in place, it discriminates against various groups and brought a huge shitstorm upon north carolina.
so, we have criminal laws to try and limit crime. we don't need discriminatory bathroom safe space laws that cause more problems and solve none and at best are really a solution without a problem.
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When (IMO not what if, but when) a grown man who is a sexual predator
puts on a wig so he can legally follow a young girl into the women's
bathroom, and commits the unspeakable, does the argument on this topic
change?
that's a valid argument. first, this law isn't the answer. as i mentioned, this law goes well beyond bathroom use and includes all sorts of other discrimination. secondly, we already have laws that make committing sex crimes against kids or anyone else illegal. creating another law that purportedly carves out some sort of safe space (i thought those didn't work) in bathrooms provides no extra protection to stop what you described. it's just more laws and more government which is almost never the answer. however, in this case, while it doesn't add any protection above what is already in place, it discriminates against various groups and brought a huge shitstorm upon north carolina.
so, we have criminal laws to try and limit crime. we don't need discriminatory bathroom safe space laws that cause more problems and solve none and at best are really a solution without a problem.
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