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to put it another way, in the context of your example, do we think this is the mindset of the sexual predator?

well, sexual assault is a serious felony and if i do it and get caught, i will likely (that stanford swimmer notwithstanding) serve a lot of time in prison.  but f*ck that, i don't care.  i'll do it anyway.  i'm getting my wig and i'm off to the public bathroom.  an odd place to commit a serious crime with the potential for so many witnesses, but so be it

but wait, there's this new law that says i can't go into the women's bathroom.  it's not a criminal law (or if it is, it's a very minor crime) so there's no real penalty attached to it (like with the sexual assault laws) and there's no way to enforce it absent some rightwinger at the door to the bathroom checking penises (which actually might happen in the south, i don't know) so maybe i shouldn't do it after all. 
 
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If anyone thinks the NC law is a sh!t show, wait until some perverted act happens in a public bathroom and it is blamed on an equal-rights law having been passed. THAT will be a real sh!t show. 

CD, I believe your example is flawed, but instead of trying to refute it, I will simply provide another hypothetical situation in an effort to point out that this issue is not so black and white.

In this hypothetical, it is obvious to most everyone with vision that a transgendered person was born a man but is dressed as a woman. This transgender walks into a woman's public bathroom where your 10 year old daughter is doing pee pee. Do you stay seated outside the bathroom so you do not infringe upon the transgendered persons rights? Are you comfortable that your daughter is perfectly safe sitting inside her own stall? Or are you concerned that it could be worse than this?

How about this hypothetical ... 
The unspeakable happens in a public bathroom (no, not scalabrine blowing some black guy) some transgendered person sexually assaults a child. What then?

I am in no way suggesting that all transgendered people are deviants, because I do not believe that they are. But I would venture a guess to say that there are some who are, and knowing that, before any laws is passed protecting the rights of a few, all ramifications should be thoroughly thought about.

I don't know what is right or wrong regarding this topic, but I will debate anyone who claims that having it their way, whatever way that might be, is the absolute correct way 
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In this hypothetical, it is obvious to most everyone with vision that a transgendered person was born a man but is dressed as a woman. This transgender walks into a woman's public bathroom where your 10 year old daughter is doing pee pee. Do you stay seated outside the bathroom so you do not infringe upon the transgendered persons rights? Are you comfortable that your daughter is perfectly safe sitting inside her own stall? Or are you concerned that it could be worse than this?

i answer this as a real conservative, which i consider to be the opposite of a republican "conservative". 

i've lived on this earth for 40+ years.  not once have i ever gone to a public bathroom and wondered or worried about the genitalia of anyone else in there or anyone else who might come in there.  now, if some transvestite did come in and i was in there or my kid was in there, i truly and honestly would not give a f*ck.  one, because i don't care about transvestites and two, i've never in my career heard of a transvestite causing any problems of a criminal nature in a bathroom, or elsewhere for that matter.

so we get to what rush said earlier and my position as to what government is and isn't for.  it's a matter of comfort and awkwardness.  and i don't think the government's job is to make laws to protect people who are uncomfortable or feel awkward in public bathrooms.  especially since we already have laws that deal with people actually committing crimes, if that's what they intend to do.

honestly, if my kid was in the bathroom, i'd be much less worried about a transvestite going in than someone who is worried about the genitalia of other people in that bathroom. 
 
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I would like to know why all of a sudden this became a very important issue to the Left. Apparently all in the name of Progressivism. Basically jamming it down our throats at warp speed. 
 
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How about this hypothetical ... 
The unspeakable happens in a public bathroom (no, not scalabrine blowing some black guy) some transgendered person sexually assaults a child. What then?


what then is you arrest that person for whatever crime they committed.  but as i said earlier, if a person is not deterred by a sexual assault crimes that comes with severe penalties, why would that same person be deterred by some law that doesn't come with penalties that tells them which bathroom they should go to?

this is another failure of the republican big government ideology.  they think government is the answer to every outlying situation and everything they have a problem with.  the government can only do so much.  and it's more reactionary than proactive.  we already have too many laws and too much government.  we don't need more because people are uncomfortable and we don't need more because of something that might happen although almost never does and that we already have laws in place to address.

more laws and more government is almost never the answer.  it should only be the answer when we have a significant, documented problem, the law specifically addresses the problem and we don't already have laws in place making it redundant.
 
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this is another failure of the republican big government ideology.  they think government is the answer to every outlying situation and everything they have a problem with.  the government can only do so much.  and it's more reactionary than proactive.  we already have too many laws and too much government.  we don't need more because people are uncomfortable and we don't need more because of something that might happen although almost never does and that we already have laws in place to address.

more laws and more government is almost never the answer.  it should only be the answer when we have a significant, documented problem, the law specifically addresses the problem and we don't already have laws in place making it redundant.

I agree we need less government ... 
But wasn't it MORE government which started this entire situation?

Rules were already in place that said if you have a penis, this is your toilet, you have a vagina than this is your toilet. It seemed to work.

Now government has gotten involved to change the rules on this. 
Am I mistaken? To be honest, this has been such a non-issue for me that I have not been paying attention, so my facts could be wrong.

CD, you're a good guy and I like you , but if your 10 year old daughter was in a public bathroom, and some person born a man, but now dressed as a woman enters that bathroom, and you are totally comfortable with that, than you and I are quite different in this situation. 

Perhaps I'm just overprotective, or old school, or just old ... I dunno 
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here's another way of looking at it.  when you are in government, your job, at least in theory, is to serve the people.  you have to do a cost benefit analysis when you consider a law where you are legislating bathroom attendance, for darn's sake, and also throw in a bunch of other anti-g*y stuff. 

you have to know there's going to be some major backlash.  and this isn't mississippi.  this is a state where people travel, and where there are jobs for educated people, and serious universities and major sporting events and a lot of money at stake.

why the f*ck would you risk all of that for your constituents over something this necessary and ridiculous. 
 
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I agree we need less government ... 
But wasn't it MORE government which started this entire situation?

yes and no.  i do think charlotte started it but the NC law goes beyond the bathroom issue.  so charlotte started some of it but NC took it to another level.  but again, the answer to excess government is never more government.


CD, you're a good guy and I like you , but if your 10 year old daughter was in a public bathroom, and some person born a man, but now dressed as a woman enters that bathroom, and you are totally comfortable with that, than you and I are quite different in this situation.

if you're trying to make scalabrine jealous, i think it's working. 

but for me, it's a simple matter of probability and statistics.  i'm always worried about my kids when i'm not with them.  but, transvestites have in fact been using public bathrooms for since the beginning of public bathrooms.  they just aren't in there committing crimes.  as a result, i'm just not worried about them.  also transvestites don't generally look like you might think.  you're probably not going to know if one goes in there anyway.  but that's not the point.  i don't care what transvestites do.  there are other groups to worry about though. 
 
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Posted: #34
enough of this silliness ...

on to more serious topics ... 


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Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:

enough of this silliness ...

on to more serious topics ... 





could work.  i'll bring this up at the next pta meeting. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:


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When (IMO not what if, but when) a grown man who is a sexual predator puts on a wig so he can legally follow a young girl into the women's bathroom, and commits the unspeakable, does the argument on this topic change?



Nope. Liberals and libertarians will not stop their agendas no matter how many die. Liberals and libertarians don't care about life. You could post 29,234 sexual assaults committed by sexual predators with wigs in bathrooms and still liberals would say that it's a small percentage and anyone who says otherwise is a racist and a bigot.
 
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Nope. Liberals and libertarians will not stop their agendas no matter how many die. Liberals and libertarians don't care about life. You could post 29,234 sexual assaults committed by sexual predators with wigs in bathrooms and still liberals would say that it's a small percentage and anyone who says otherwise is a racist and a bigot.

Libertarians don't win because Americans are uninformed and stupid. Democrats and republicans have brainwashed the American people into voting for communism and totalitarianism.

You LIE!

Libertarians are for:

Economic freedom
Free-markets
Free-market environmentalism
Free-society
Free-trade

Hmmm...who said this?
 
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Libertarians don't win because Americans are uninformed and stupid. Democrats and republicans have brainwashed the American people into voting for communism and totalitarianism.

You LIE!

Libertarians are for:

Economic freedom
Free-markets
Free-market environmentalism
Free-society
Free-trade

Hmmm...who said this?
I make it no secret that I used to be a liberal democrat. I also started to shift to libertarianism over my displeasure of both parties.

I came to the realization that everything liberal democrats believe in is a lie - academic-intellectual lies.

I came to the realization that libertarianism is stupid, childish - naive and dangerous - completely unrealistic.

History repeats itself. I came to the realization that republicanism started this country - and it is republicanism that is needed to save the country - once again - from leftist rule.

 
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Amen $... Happy rights started it in the 90's. Please don't bash me. Now it's jamming wedding cake down your throat and the LGBTQRSTKXYW b.s. Now we're on to bathroom issues. Big deal the NCAA won't play in NC.... I applaud NC standing up to the insane liberal agenda.
 
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It is always nice for killerb to offer the uneducated trump supporter perspective to a discussion. 

So happy rights started in the 1990s?  Are you making that up or can you even explain how happy rights started?   If you are just making facts up as usual and playing the victim of the other side and biased media, just let us know. But if you are really going to talk about happy rights movement and the actual topic which is concerning transgendered people and restrooms, than let us know also. 

The issue is not bathrooms but it is about transgendered people and how the ncca as a business is making a decision not to do business with people that may hurt their brand and business in the bigger picture. 

It is like if a business decided not to do business with terrorists or a group that supported a terrorist agenda.   They have that right to make a choice about how they run their own business.   Maybe that concept is tough for you to understand. 

But maybe not as tough as your understanding of reality and history. 

So you were saying happy rights started in the 1990s.  Where did it start exactly?  Where there any key events in the 1990s that started it in the 1990s?  What exactly happened? 

Looking forward to hearing about your perspective on happy rights starting in the 1990s.  Please respond to the questions above.  Thanks 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

Amen $... Happy rights started it in the 90's. Please don't bash me. Now it's jamming wedding cake down your throat and the LGBTQRSTKXYW b.s. Now we're on to bathroom issues. Big deal the NCAA won't play in NC.... I applaud NC standing up to the insane liberal agenda.

Amen to that Killer.. It would never happen, but I with Charlotte would tell the NBA to F&ck off and go find another state for their sh&tty franchise.  Michael Jordan is in the way though..

 
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Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



i do think it started with charlotte so i would say the same to them.  but, the answer to excessive government is not more government.  also, the NC law, and this is part of their problem, goes well beyond bathroom etiquette and includes all sorts of other discrimination. 

Of course it does... would you like to expand on those other sorts of discrimination ?    

 

 
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I hope folks have pondered on Clubdirts trash.. because that is what it truly is.

Let me summarize.  His 40+ years are a valuable experience, and we should understand that it would be highly unusual for a 'tranny to exert such "exert feelings" ....   How'd I do, tranny.. I mean 'dirt.

 

 
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DL - You seem to know so much about the happy rights movement. You got something to tell us?

The wedding bs started in the late 90s in the U.S., that's what I was referring to. It's been defeated most of the time when put to a vote but the judges know better.

Sorry if I struck a nerve with you, please accept my sincere apologies, I didn't realize this was such a sensitive subject to you. I hope you can suck it up and forgive me...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

I hope folks have pondered on Clubdirts trash.. because that is what it truly is.

Let me summarize.  His 40+ years are a valuable experience, and we should understand that it would be highly unusual for a 'tranny to exert such "exert feelings" ....   How'd I do, tranny.. I mean 'dirt.

Whenever anyone insults, demeans, or belittles me, I go on the verbal offensive, and I can be quite persistent in my attacks, so I'm no angel on this site. 

With that said, why are you attacking CD? (that stands for Club Dirt, not Cross Dresser. You're welcome, CD) Just because he has a different opinion than you? CD and I have different opinions on the subject in this thread, neither of us is right or wrong, it is simply contrasting opinions. 

Rush, your opinion is not a fact. It's ok for someone to disagree with it.

No need to go on the offensive here, it does not prove your side of the debate  

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if I feel like being a dog for the day can I whip out my dink and piss all over your front lawn?
NC is the only sensible state that protects women and children while in restrooms!
But then again maybe a 5 year old can take the advice of Massachusetts AG and fellow lesbian Maura Healey.....maybe your little female child should 'hold it' until they get home if you don't want them going pee pee next to a man dressed in a skirt!
 
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my argument isn't that complicated.   it's a matter of how much we want to look to big government to makes us feel comfortable, how much government we want in our lives and the ability of government to accomplish anything in this context anyway.

while i agree government has a role in protecting people, i don't think this particular law does that in any way.  because again, if you are looking for government to protect you in a bathroom from being uncomfortable, you're going to be disappointed.  also, this law does not address people who commit crimes in places where these crimes would be committed in any historically accurate manner.  it would be like fighting religious extremist violence by going after the amish. 

and finally, if you do the cost benefit analysis for a law like this, which government and the people who elect them should always do, this law with its added discriminatory elements is insane.

hugh understands the argument, we have some disagreements and we've discussed it.  some others don't get it, want to characterize it in terms of their insecurity about happy people or transvestites and i have no interest in discussing those particular personal issues you guys have about them.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

I make it no secret that I used to be a liberal democrat. I also started to shift to libertarianism over my displeasure of both parties.

I came to the realization that everything liberal democrats believe in is a lie - academic-intellectual lies.

I came to the realization that libertarianism is stupid, childish - naive and dangerous - completely unrealistic.

History repeats itself. I came to the realization that republicanism started this country - and it is republicanism that is needed to save the country - once again - from leftist rule.


I'm no longer going to use my words when responding to you. I'm going to use yours. 

Damn, I'm gonna enjoy this. 
 
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Just take the signs off all the bathrooms and make everything unisex. I'm sick of hearing people complain/argue over the dumbest things. No ones going to get molested based on what a sign on the bathroom door says. If someone wants in the bathroom they can walk in. Its same thing with the stupid gun argument. Enforcing stricter gun laws isn't going to do anything. If someone wants to commit a crime whether its molesting a child in a bathroom or shooting someone, the sign on the door or the restriction on the gun WILL NOT STOP IT. Open your eyes people 
 
 
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No ones going to get molested based on what a sign on the bathroom door says. If someone wants in the bathroom they can walk in...

That will never work ,because guys will not put the seat down when they leave and the women will be livid and extremely angry..
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