Public option gets defeated

That's the huge part of the problem, the far left is killing this as much as the far right.  Both want an all or nothing approach and that's what going to happen.  For some reason they don't want to babystep this and that's the only way change is going to happen. 

You are right about the polls.  That's the reason some of the Dems are blocking this from passing.  They see poll numbers and know they won't be re-elected if they vote for it. Why else would they be against it.

Quote Originally Posted by DiscoD69:

People in KOAJ's family don't like dealing with the gov't?

 

Colour me shocked

 

you sound exactly like the typical person who needs the govt to hold your hand for everything in life.  Maybe in canada your all a bunch of little babies that need the govt for everything in life, but here in our country it was founded so govt could provide every single thing in a persons life.

Maybe if you didnt have your blinders on all the time you could see that all govts are corrupt and thats why lots of people dont want to deal with them.  Only people that love the govt so much are the free loaders like you who need everything given to you.

I agree alot of these things need to be fixed, but you dont need the govt taking over the entire health system in order to fix it, especially when they have proved time and time again they cant run any type of business.  Really why is that so hard for some of you to understand?  Some of you think the govt will suddenly be able to run such a huge task, when truth is they will fail.

Its really sad to see so many of you wanting this thing to pass, just so you can get some free health care.  Did any of you actually try working to get your health insurance?

I want insurance companies running it, but i also want tougher rules that these companies will have to follow in order for them to stay in business selling insurance.  And please dont even tell me that the only way the system can be fixed is if the govt takes it over, because thats totally not true.  On top of that once the govt gets a hold of the system they will for sure break it and make things worse then they are now.  Please just tell me why you would think they could run the whole system, when they fail at everything they touch.

They couldnt even manage a simple cash for clunkers program without screwing it up.  Do you really want them in charge of your health care?  Sorry but i dont.

I would have bet every dime i have that you would dance around the question i asked.

post office = completely broke

social security= completely broke

medicare = completely broke

Great track record the govt has trying to run businesess that really shouldnt be run by govt.

Quote Originally Posted by SecondAgain:

so you want the army to be privitised too? too big a task for the govt to run?

how much money will tort reform bring? how much of a saving will buying across state lines make? how will that help when your claim is denied?

and your question was answered by providing examples of govt run agencies.

no i dont want the military run by private outfits, even thou the military does waste lots of money.

Our country was founded to have a  military protecting its people.  It was never founded with the intent of govt running healthcare system.  There just is certain things the govt has no business running and the health insurance is for sure one of them.

Why stop at health insurance, lets have the govt take over the car insurance business also, since the rates for that insurance is also very high.  In fact lets just let govt take over every type of private business.  More and bigger govt is not the answer to problems.  The only people who want more govt is the leeches who are loking for handouts.

Quote Originally Posted by SecondAgain:

health insurance and car insurance are like apples and polar bears.  Nice try though, comparing the health and lives of people to a car. Do you pray to god each night to keep your family healthy and your car on 4 wheels?

I pity those leeches who get cancer and can't afford treatment because the health company denies their claim. Or those just starting out in this world who are on minimum wage, and get hit by your precious car, and can't afford post emergancy treatment?

fuck 'em, let them die. They are only poor anyway. Pity the poor insurance company who may have to pay a claim to a sick person, instead of adding fractions of a cent to the dividend

poor sods

All the govt has to do is pass laws saying insurance companies can no longer deny or drop people from coverage, so quit making it sound like the only way to fix that part of the problem is by having the govt take over the whole system

They will have no choice if they want to remain in business.

But since you answered the question the way you did, i now got to ask you why will that be an okay business model for the govt to do?  This means the govt will lose money running this type of business model, which will mean people will have to pay more money. So you see the govt is going to have the same problems then.

I have never claimed to have read the entire bill, so i dont know where your getting that crap from.  But i do know one thing am sure you didnt read the bill either.

I have read quite a few pages where people have posted certain pages of the bill to read and on every one of those page i read, things werent very promising.

Lastly if you think our govt is going to find 500 billion in waste and fraud to fund the bill, then you must be smoking some really good shit. If they could find that kind of money why havent they already done it?  BECAUSE THEY ARE BLOWING SMOKE UP PEOPLES ASS AND GUYS LIKE YOU FALL FOR THAT KIND OF CRAP HOOK LINE AND SINKER.