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    Posted: Feb. 16, 2018 - 3:10 PM ET #151

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    It is not nitpicking---I do not intend it that way.Either you can answer questions about your stances; or you cannot answer them. If you cannot, and just simply do not like companies, that is cool.  Again, you are one of the few that sometimes try to make a decent case.  But you cannot get upset every time someone questions you about something.  I just have the opposite stance is all.  In other words, I always try to think of what I would say to convince someone of something.  You are not successful by belittling them and name calling them.

    You have a history of nagging trolling on my posts. You are not coming in and having a discussion or make comments, you take your shots in nearly every single post you make...look at the recent history, you follow me around and come to ask nagging annoying unimportant questions and you did so again yesterday and today.

    I am not going to make a list of corps I like and why, what the crap would that accomplish? My position is that those with power abuse, those with money abuse and corps especially ones with both abuse. You think it is inside the bounds of the code and then it is ok, I do not agree. The individual should be treated the same, have the same benefit and access as corps do but it is not the case. Corps hire lobbyists, lawyers, government employees to exploit the code and you think that is good and legit. I think it is abuse of power and money. Loopholes exist to make way for the elite and powerful, they are never closed because our government is held hostage to money and power. 

    You are also mistaken about offshore money, it is not held at some bank like Wells Fargo Bahamas branch, it is twisted and hidden and shielded so it cannot be accessed...same goes for the elite, they have the power and options to keep 5 steps in front of any action the government can take. The government is not funded to track corps and their lawyers, we do not properly equip government employees or pay them commensurate to catch these cheats. My position is that the only way to catch a cheat who has more power and money than you is to use what resources you have to force their hand. So in my case as I stated above if you draw a line and let the corp or elitist choose to either come straight with their tax account or leave the country and be treated as a foreign entity and let them choose. Closing the loopholes is never going to happen because they are never closed, there might be a change or two but believe me corps are 5 steps in front and will have shifted before the ink is dry and nothing will change. 

     

    This country is for the benefit of all, everyone should be equal and treated the same...but that is not the case, those with money and power and control have opportunities and options that the majority do not.

    I dont mind a debate but you are a nagging gnat, pick pick pick, that is not a discussion that is you trying to find fault and tangent me to death. Its been going on a very long time and sometimes I just ignore your posts because you are not interested in having a discussion, you ask your questions then you repeat over and over and over. You rarely if ever make a counter or even state a position...its always just nag nag nag and that is quite boring when it is all you seem to do.

    How about instead of the picking questions YOU state a position, YOU state what your opinion is and why it might counter to mine...instead of asking how many corps I like or say a silly comment like employees can leave and what abuses? Oh my word it never ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    It is not nitpicking---I do not intend it that way.Either you can answer questions about your stances; or you cannot answer them. If you cannot, and just simply do not like companies, that is cool.  Again, you are one of the few that sometimes try to make a decent case.  But you cannot get upset every time someone questions you about something.  I just have the opposite stance is all.  In other words, I always try to think of what I would say to convince someone of something.  You are not successful by belittling them and name calling them.

    You have a history of nagging trolling on my posts. You are not coming in and having a discussion or make comments, you take your shots in nearly every single post you make...look at the recent history, you follow me around and come to ask nagging annoying unimportant questions and you did so again yesterday and today.

    I am not going to make a list of corps I like and why, what the crap would that accomplish? My position is that those with power abuse, those with money abuse and corps especially ones with both abuse. You think it is inside the bounds of the code and then it is ok, I do not agree. The individual should be treated the same, have the same benefit and access as corps do but it is not the case. Corps hire lobbyists, lawyers, government employees to exploit the code and you think that is good and legit. I think it is abuse of power and money. Loopholes exist to make way for the elite and powerful, they are never closed because our government is held hostage to money and power. 

    You are also mistaken about offshore money, it is not held at some bank like Wells Fargo Bahamas branch, it is twisted and hidden and shielded so it cannot be accessed...same goes for the elite, they have the power and options to keep 5 steps in front of any action the government can take. The government is not funded to track corps and their lawyers, we do not properly equip government employees or pay them commensurate to catch these cheats. My position is that the only way to catch a cheat who has more power and money than you is to use what resources you have to force their hand. So in my case as I stated above if you draw a line and let the corp or elitist choose to either come straight with their tax account or leave the country and be treated as a foreign entity and let them choose. Closing the loopholes is never going to happen because they are never closed, there might be a change or two but believe me corps are 5 steps in front and will have shifted before the ink is dry and nothing will change. 

     

    This country is for the benefit of all, everyone should be equal and treated the same...but that is not the case, those with money and power and control have opportunities and options that the majority do not.

    I dont mind a debate but you are a nagging gnat, pick pick pick, that is not a discussion that is you trying to find fault and tangent me to death. Its been going on a very long time and sometimes I just ignore your posts because you are not interested in having a discussion, you ask your questions then you repeat over and over and over. You rarely if ever make a counter or even state a position...its always just nag nag nag and that is quite boring when it is all you seem to do.

    How about instead of the picking questions YOU state a position, YOU state what your opinion is and why it might counter to mine...instead of asking how many corps I like or say a silly comment like employees can leave and what abuses? Oh my word it never ends.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 16, 2018 - 3:35 PM ET #152

    Speaking in favor of wallstreetcappers here, I have to agree with him that too many guys have no point to make, just asinine one-liners, wise azz cracks and cheap shots. Most are from posters that really have nothing of value to offer, but are 100% Trumper thumpers or 100% HRC liberals.

    I have news for you dolts: There has never in the history of humanity been an Emperor, King, President or General that was 100% correct every single time they proposed anything, nor 100% percent honest every time they spoke (or Tweeted). When you gather enough intelligence to not only clearly state your own point, but occasionally play Devil's Advocate for the sake of argument and discussion, you have will have come a long way toward maturity and wisdom. 

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    Speaking in favor of wallstreetcappers here, I have to agree with him that too many guys have no point to make, just asinine one-liners, wise azz cracks and cheap shots. Most are from posters that really have nothing of value to offer, but are 100% Trumper thumpers or 100% HRC liberals.

    I have news for you dolts: There has never in the history of humanity been an Emperor, King, President or General that was 100% correct every single time they proposed anything, nor 100% percent honest every time they spoke (or Tweeted). When you gather enough intelligence to not only clearly state your own point, but occasionally play Devil's Advocate for the sake of argument and discussion, you have will have come a long way toward maturity and wisdom. 

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    Posted: Feb. 16, 2018 - 4:43 PM ET #153

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    Posted: Feb. 16, 2018 - 6:31 PM ET #154

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    You have a history of nagging trolling on my posts. You are not coming in and having a discussion or make comments, you take your shots in nearly every single post you make...look at the recent history, you follow me around and come to ask nagging annoying unimportant questions and you did so again yesterday and today.


    Long post with not a lot of meat. So, I do one paragraph at a a time. 
    I have a history of questioning you about your comments or stances; you have a history of being vague and not giving examples or facts and not backing up your positions. Call it whatever you like.  Simply, thought you were the only worthwhile Liberal on here to discuss their points. 
    If you don't expect people to question you it simply becomes what most of this forum has become:  both sides calling people names that don't agree with them and a lot of wasted ranting and raving. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    You have a history of nagging trolling on my posts. You are not coming in and having a discussion or make comments, you take your shots in nearly every single post you make...look at the recent history, you follow me around and come to ask nagging annoying unimportant questions and you did so again yesterday and today.


    Long post with not a lot of meat. So, I do one paragraph at a a time. 
    I have a history of questioning you about your comments or stances; you have a history of being vague and not giving examples or facts and not backing up your positions. Call it whatever you like.  Simply, thought you were the only worthwhile Liberal on here to discuss their points. 
    If you don't expect people to question you it simply becomes what most of this forum has become:  both sides calling people names that don't agree with them and a lot of wasted ranting and raving. 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 16, 2018 - 6:56 PM ET #155

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    I am not going to make a list of corps I like and why, what the crap would that accomplish? My position is that those with power abuse, those with money abuse and corps especially ones with both abuse. You think it is inside the bounds of the code and then it is ok, I do not agree. The individual should be treated the same, have the same benefit and access as corps do but it is not the case. Corps hire lobbyists, lawyers, government employees to exploit the code and you think that is good and legit. I think it is abuse of power and money. Loopholes exist to make way for the elite and powerful, they are never closed because our government is held hostage to money and power. 

    I'm not asking for 20 of them.  You mean you can't think of 2/3 and why?

    It is same as when I asked about whom you'd rather see in Fed instead of new guy.  You couldn't name anyone. It is hard to have a discussion without a who, why, how, etc. 

    What are you calling abuse exactly?  Working conditions?  Pay?  Benefits?

    Companies do not exploit as much as use loop holes etc.  People do it just like companies do.  I'm not saying it is right or wrong. I am saying it is LEGAL.  If we don't like; we should change the law is all. 

    By now you know my stance:  no taxes at all. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    I am not going to make a list of corps I like and why, what the crap would that accomplish? My position is that those with power abuse, those with money abuse and corps especially ones with both abuse. You think it is inside the bounds of the code and then it is ok, I do not agree. The individual should be treated the same, have the same benefit and access as corps do but it is not the case. Corps hire lobbyists, lawyers, government employees to exploit the code and you think that is good and legit. I think it is abuse of power and money. Loopholes exist to make way for the elite and powerful, they are never closed because our government is held hostage to money and power. 

    I'm not asking for 20 of them.  You mean you can't think of 2/3 and why?

    It is same as when I asked about whom you'd rather see in Fed instead of new guy.  You couldn't name anyone. It is hard to have a discussion without a who, why, how, etc. 

    What are you calling abuse exactly?  Working conditions?  Pay?  Benefits?

    Companies do not exploit as much as use loop holes etc.  People do it just like companies do.  I'm not saying it is right or wrong. I am saying it is LEGAL.  If we don't like; we should change the law is all. 

    By now you know my stance:  no taxes at all. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 16, 2018 - 7:05 PM ET #156

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    You are also mistaken about offshore money, it is not held at some bank like Wells Fargo Bahamas branch, it is twisted and hidden and shielded so it cannot be accessed...same goes for the elite, they have the power and options to keep 5 steps in front of any action the government can take. The government is not funded to track corps and their lawyers, we do not properly equip government employees or pay them commensurate to catch these cheats. My position is that the only way to catch a cheat who has more power and money than you is to use what resources you have to force their hand. So in my case as I stated above if you draw a line and let the corp or elitist choose to either come straight with their tax account or leave the country and be treated as a foreign entity and let them choose. Closing the loopholes is never going to happen because they are never closed, there might be a change or two but believe me corps are 5 steps in front and will have shifted before the ink is dry and nothing will change. 


    Which is the whole point.  Lower their taxes and encourage them to keep their money here. You just automatically go to calling them cheats.  Absolutely, there may be some of that.  But it is minuscule compared to the money shifted overseas because of our outrageous tax rates on companies.  This is obvious to most people.  Democrats just are greedy and do not want to lower rates.  They refuse to accept the fact that it better to keep the companies money here at a lower rate. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    You are also mistaken about offshore money, it is not held at some bank like Wells Fargo Bahamas branch, it is twisted and hidden and shielded so it cannot be accessed...same goes for the elite, they have the power and options to keep 5 steps in front of any action the government can take. The government is not funded to track corps and their lawyers, we do not properly equip government employees or pay them commensurate to catch these cheats. My position is that the only way to catch a cheat who has more power and money than you is to use what resources you have to force their hand. So in my case as I stated above if you draw a line and let the corp or elitist choose to either come straight with their tax account or leave the country and be treated as a foreign entity and let them choose. Closing the loopholes is never going to happen because they are never closed, there might be a change or two but believe me corps are 5 steps in front and will have shifted before the ink is dry and nothing will change. 


    Which is the whole point.  Lower their taxes and encourage them to keep their money here. You just automatically go to calling them cheats.  Absolutely, there may be some of that.  But it is minuscule compared to the money shifted overseas because of our outrageous tax rates on companies.  This is obvious to most people.  Democrats just are greedy and do not want to lower rates.  They refuse to accept the fact that it better to keep the companies money here at a lower rate. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

     

    This country is for the benefit of all, everyone should be equal and treated the same...but that is not the case, those with money and power and control have opportunities and options that the majority do not.


    I mostly agree with this. Certainly people should be treated the same.  But part of the whole point of having money and power is that it does in a capitalistic society it will open more doors.  But the fact is, we all have the same opportunities to get to that point. 
    And of course, I don't mean that it allows you to do illegal things to get ahead.  
    But when you ask Liberals if this is the case, and you use an example of a flat tax or set % on taxes, they then don't feel that way.  Then it becomes completely subjective. 
    But of course we want fairness. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

     

    This country is for the benefit of all, everyone should be equal and treated the same...but that is not the case, those with money and power and control have opportunities and options that the majority do not.


    I mostly agree with this. Certainly people should be treated the same.  But part of the whole point of having money and power is that it does in a capitalistic society it will open more doors.  But the fact is, we all have the same opportunities to get to that point. 
    And of course, I don't mean that it allows you to do illegal things to get ahead.  
    But when you ask Liberals if this is the case, and you use an example of a flat tax or set % on taxes, they then don't feel that way.  Then it becomes completely subjective. 
    But of course we want fairness. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    I dont mind a debate but you are a nagging gnat, pick pick pick, that is not a discussion that is you trying to find fault and tangent me to death. Its been going on a very long time and sometimes I just ignore your posts because you are not interested in having a discussion, you ask your questions then you repeat over and over and over. You rarely if ever make a counter or even state a position...its always just nag nag nag and that is quite boring when it is all you seem to do.

    How about instead of the picking questions YOU state a position, YOU state what your opinion is and why it might counter to mine...instead of asking how many corps I like or say a silly comment like employees can leave and what abuses? Oh my word it never ends.

    These two are okay together.  I'm not into the name calling aspect of what you do.  I never see the point in that. So usually just skip over it. I don't like that you get onto others and then you turn around and do the same thing. 
    I'm always about civil discusssions.  Sure, some folks just want to be argumentative.  Some folks you aren't going to change their minds. 

    If I ask a question or make a comment it is obvious what my position is. My position is the opposite of whatever the person has stated.  Or I am really interested in why someone believes or feels what they stated. 

    My position is usually always from the Right. So, it is easy to see why I ask the question.  I want to hear a sensible reason why a person says what they say.  Especially, when the facts don't back up what they say. 

    Take any issue you like. The current issue with the shooting, for example.  It is the first mass shooting according to the FBI.  But the left prefers the 20 school shootings this year. Because it fits the narrative they want to promote.  This is something both sides do.  So you can understand where they are coming from. 

    But when a person states they don't like the new nominee and are asked another candidate they prefer.  If you can't answer at all it looks like a general bellyache. 
    Same with what companies you like and why.  If you have none to list off the top of your head --- same deal. 

    But sure ask me anything.  I can usually give you what I like or don't like and why.  And have no problem backing it up with facts.  
    And if someone convinces me I am wrong they will have done it in the same manner. 

    So you know my stances.  No taxes.  Or at least very low ones.  Close loopholes.  And after years of studying it, writing on it, speaking on it, and talking with others about it --- I feel pretty strongly about it. 
    So I was curious why someone that seems to be interested in the subject would be so adamant all the time about how horrible companies are. 
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    I dont mind a debate but you are a nagging gnat, pick pick pick, that is not a discussion that is you trying to find fault and tangent me to death. Its been going on a very long time and sometimes I just ignore your posts because you are not interested in having a discussion, you ask your questions then you repeat over and over and over. You rarely if ever make a counter or even state a position...its always just nag nag nag and that is quite boring when it is all you seem to do.

    How about instead of the picking questions YOU state a position, YOU state what your opinion is and why it might counter to mine...instead of asking how many corps I like or say a silly comment like employees can leave and what abuses? Oh my word it never ends.

    These two are okay together.  I'm not into the name calling aspect of what you do.  I never see the point in that. So usually just skip over it. I don't like that you get onto others and then you turn around and do the same thing. 
    I'm always about civil discusssions.  Sure, some folks just want to be argumentative.  Some folks you aren't going to change their minds. 

    If I ask a question or make a comment it is obvious what my position is. My position is the opposite of whatever the person has stated.  Or I am really interested in why someone believes or feels what they stated. 

    My position is usually always from the Right. So, it is easy to see why I ask the question.  I want to hear a sensible reason why a person says what they say.  Especially, when the facts don't back up what they say. 

    Take any issue you like. The current issue with the shooting, for example.  It is the first mass shooting according to the FBI.  But the left prefers the 20 school shootings this year. Because it fits the narrative they want to promote.  This is something both sides do.  So you can understand where they are coming from. 

    But when a person states they don't like the new nominee and are asked another candidate they prefer.  If you can't answer at all it looks like a general bellyache. 
    Same with what companies you like and why.  If you have none to list off the top of your head --- same deal. 

    But sure ask me anything.  I can usually give you what I like or don't like and why.  And have no problem backing it up with facts.  
    And if someone convinces me I am wrong they will have done it in the same manner. 

    So you know my stances.  No taxes.  Or at least very low ones.  Close loopholes.  And after years of studying it, writing on it, speaking on it, and talking with others about it --- I feel pretty strongly about it. 
    So I was curious why someone that seems to be interested in the subject would be so adamant all the time about how horrible companies are. 
     
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     As always, seriously interested in your replies. 
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    Posted: Feb. 16, 2018 - 8:47 PM ET #160

    Good Lord....

    ..and I'm the one that supposedly doesn't answer questions ..

    What a hoot ......





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    Good Lord....

    ..and I'm the one that supposedly doesn't answer questions ..

    What a hoot ......





     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Good Lord......and I'm the one that supposedly doesn't answer questions ..What a hoot ......

     

    Yes you are the one who never answers even ONE question, let alone the barrage from your right wing buddy here. Try actually answering A question before coming in to take a shot...it makes what little credibility you have really mean something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Good Lord......and I'm the one that supposedly doesn't answer questions ..What a hoot ......

     

    Yes you are the one who never answers even ONE question, let alone the barrage from your right wing buddy here. Try actually answering A question before coming in to take a shot...it makes what little credibility you have really mean something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

     

    Yes you are the one who never answers even ONE question, let alone the barrage from your right wing buddy here. Try actually answering A question before coming in to take a shot...it makes what little credibility you have really mean something.

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    I only answer important questions ... I ignore the unimportant ones................


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    Yes you are the one who never answers even ONE question, let alone the barrage from your right wing buddy here. Try actually answering A question before coming in to take a shot...it makes what little credibility you have really mean something.

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    I only answer important questions ... I ignore the unimportant ones................


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:   Yes you are the one who never answers even ONE question, let alone the barrage from your right wing buddy here. Try actually answering A question before coming in to take a shot...it makes what little credibility you have really mean something.   I only answer important questions ... I ignore the unimportant ones................
     

     

    HAHAHA oh thats cute, so what questions have you answered exactly as I do not recall much of any in the last decade or so. Just stick to cut and paste blind following of conservative clowns, that is your strong suit.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:   Yes you are the one who never answers even ONE question, let alone the barrage from your right wing buddy here. Try actually answering A question before coming in to take a shot...it makes what little credibility you have really mean something.   I only answer important questions ... I ignore the unimportant ones................
     

     

    HAHAHA oh thats cute, so what questions have you answered exactly as I do not recall much of any in the last decade or so. Just stick to cut and paste blind following of conservative clowns, that is your strong suit.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

     

    Yes you are the one who never answers even ONE question, let alone the barrage from your right wing buddy here. Try actually answering A question before coming in to take a shot...it makes what little credibility you have really mean something.

    an_shake

     



    Although I feel your question.. "what questions have you answered exactly as I do not recall much of any in the last decade".. is unimportant....I will answer it.. this one time, to show how fraudulent your claim is...like many of the other ones you have made against me..

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    Now that, that matter is settled ..you are free to answer Raider22 comments ..  have at it ..
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    Yes you are the one who never answers even ONE question, let alone the barrage from your right wing buddy here. Try actually answering A question before coming in to take a shot...it makes what little credibility you have really mean something.

    an_shake

     



    Although I feel your question.. "what questions have you answered exactly as I do not recall much of any in the last decade".. is unimportant....I will answer it.. this one time, to show how fraudulent your claim is...like many of the other ones you have made against me..

    [Politics] Topic: THOUGHTS and PRAYERS !

    Q.) Post #105

    A.) Post #107

    Now that, that matter is settled ..you are free to answer Raider22 comments ..  have at it ..
     
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    Raiders has his answers, he likes poking like you do. 

    I like answering questions with people wanting to debate back and forth and interested in discussion. 

    I'll answer questions but there is little to no discussion going on, just the same routine.

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    Raiders has his answers, he likes poking like you do. 

    I like answering questions with people wanting to debate back and forth and interested in discussion. 

    I'll answer questions but there is little to no discussion going on, just the same routine.

     
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    Less than 2% of American workers received a bonus, pay raise or perk as a result of the tax cuts. 

    43% went to shareholders.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/373365-trump-touts-reports-of-bonuses-higher-wages-after-tax-bill
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    Less than 2% of American workers received a bonus, pay raise or perk as a result of the tax cuts. 

    43% went to shareholders.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/373365-trump-touts-reports-of-bonuses-higher-wages-after-tax-bill
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Less than 2% of American workers received a bonus, pay raise or perk as a result of the tax cuts. 

    43% went to shareholders.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/373365-trump-touts-reports-of-bonuses-higher-wages-after-tax-bill


    That's because small businesses that account for 99.9% of all American companies..... and employ just under 60 million workers  are holding off and most have not yet given out rewards to their employees... the IRS still needs to issue regulations on how these small business owners income is calculated for S corporations.

    Unlike big companies like Walmart and Home Depot ,,who have an advantage of having billions of dollars in cash reserves...small businesses do not..some small business employees may have to wait to years end to receive their tax cut bonuses..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Less than 2% of American workers received a bonus, pay raise or perk as a result of the tax cuts. 

    43% went to shareholders.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/373365-trump-touts-reports-of-bonuses-higher-wages-after-tax-bill


    That's because small businesses that account for 99.9% of all American companies..... and employ just under 60 million workers  are holding off and most have not yet given out rewards to their employees... the IRS still needs to issue regulations on how these small business owners income is calculated for S corporations.

    Unlike big companies like Walmart and Home Depot ,,who have an advantage of having billions of dollars in cash reserves...small businesses do not..some small business employees may have to wait to years end to receive their tax cut bonuses..
     
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    Jam on those crumbs ?....


    The J.R. Smucker company announced that 5000 employees will be receiving $1000 bonuses as a result of the Trump tax plan. They also plan to add $20 million to the employee pension program and donate an additional $1 million to charity.

    CNNMoney notes that workers "have benefited in other ways from the tax law." For instance, it notes that Visa and Aflac have boosted their 401(k) matching programs, and Boeing has said it will invest $300 million in training, upgraded facilities and charitable giving.
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    The J.R. Smucker company announced that 5000 employees will be receiving $1000 bonuses as a result of the Trump tax plan. They also plan to add $20 million to the employee pension program and donate an additional $1 million to charity.

    CNNMoney notes that workers "have benefited in other ways from the tax law." For instance, it notes that Visa and Aflac have boosted their 401(k) matching programs, and Boeing has said it will invest $300 million in training, upgraded facilities and charitable giving.
     
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    Community bank crumbs....

     Employees of F&M Bank Harrisonburg Va..were surprised on Tuesday to learn they would receive a bonus, which the institution attributes to additional earnings expected as a result of the Trump tax plan.

    Those who work more than 30 hours a week were given a one-time bonus of $1,100 and those who work less were handed $750......the company also awarded $250,000 to three community foundations and a special dividend to shareholders

    Altogether, $1.1 million was given out.

    "The fact that we're a 110-year-old bank, $1.1 million was kind of a way of nodding to say thanks for making us successful for that long as a community bank in this market,"said Executive Vice President Neil Hayslett.
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     Employees of F&M Bank Harrisonburg Va..were surprised on Tuesday to learn they would receive a bonus, which the institution attributes to additional earnings expected as a result of the Trump tax plan.

    Those who work more than 30 hours a week were given a one-time bonus of $1,100 and those who work less were handed $750......the company also awarded $250,000 to three community foundations and a special dividend to shareholders

    Altogether, $1.1 million was given out.

    "The fact that we're a 110-year-old bank, $1.1 million was kind of a way of nodding to say thanks for making us successful for that long as a community bank in this market,"said Executive Vice President Neil Hayslett.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    That's because small businesses that account for 99.9% of all American companies..... and employ just under 60 million workers  are holding off and most have not yet given out rewards to their employees... the IRS still needs to issue regulations on how these small business owners income is calculated for S corporations.

    Unlike big companies like Walmart and Home Depot ,,who have an advantage of having billions of dollars in cash reserves...small businesses do not..some small business employees may have to wait to years end to receive their tax cut bonuses..

    Thanks for helping prove my point. This tax cut was not for the regular small businesses that Americans own but for the large corporations. These tax cuts will never trickle down to the neighborhood pizza place or the butchers or the barber shop owners.  Stop drinking the kool aid; it's very dangerous.
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    That's because small businesses that account for 99.9% of all American companies..... and employ just under 60 million workers  are holding off and most have not yet given out rewards to their employees... the IRS still needs to issue regulations on how these small business owners income is calculated for S corporations.

    Unlike big companies like Walmart and Home Depot ,,who have an advantage of having billions of dollars in cash reserves...small businesses do not..some small business employees may have to wait to years end to receive their tax cut bonuses..

    Thanks for helping prove my point. This tax cut was not for the regular small businesses that Americans own but for the large corporations. These tax cuts will never trickle down to the neighborhood pizza place or the butchers or the barber shop owners.  Stop drinking the kool aid; it's very dangerous.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:


    Thanks for helping prove my point. This tax cut was not for the regular small businesses that Americans own but for the large corporations. These tax cuts will never trickle down to the neighborhood pizza place or the butchers or the barber shop owners.  Stop drinking the kool aid; it's very dangerous.


    Proof that the Trump tax cuts are working for the middle class. More than 90% of working Americans ( that includes neighborhood pizza places,butchers or barber shop owners)...  will see greater take-home pay because of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act's new withholding guidelines

    Regular small businesses tax cuts that Americans own...Missouri-based Dynamic Fastener, a construction hardware supplier, is rewarding employees with bonuses of up to $1,000, while also opening a paint shop, buying new equipment and hiring more employees to make the expansion possible.

    Montana-based Rod's Harvest Foods, a local grocery store, is giving out 3% to 5% raises, increasing base wages to $11 an hour, and distributing $500 bonuses.

    Community News and Print, a weekly newspaper in Upstate New York, is dishing out pay raises averaging $1,000 each, boosting IRA contributions, and investing in software and equipment upgrades.
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    Thanks for helping prove my point. This tax cut was not for the regular small businesses that Americans own but for the large corporations. These tax cuts will never trickle down to the neighborhood pizza place or the butchers or the barber shop owners.  Stop drinking the kool aid; it's very dangerous.


    Proof that the Trump tax cuts are working for the middle class. More than 90% of working Americans ( that includes neighborhood pizza places,butchers or barber shop owners)...  will see greater take-home pay because of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act's new withholding guidelines

    Regular small businesses tax cuts that Americans own...Missouri-based Dynamic Fastener, a construction hardware supplier, is rewarding employees with bonuses of up to $1,000, while also opening a paint shop, buying new equipment and hiring more employees to make the expansion possible.

    Montana-based Rod's Harvest Foods, a local grocery store, is giving out 3% to 5% raises, increasing base wages to $11 an hour, and distributing $500 bonuses.

    Community News and Print, a weekly newspaper in Upstate New York, is dishing out pay raises averaging $1,000 each, boosting IRA contributions, and investing in software and equipment upgrades.
     
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    Lefties have to be the 'tightest' group of people on the planet. Cheap tippers! I mentioned the following in a thread awhile back. O and Biden go to lunch at a local diner near the White House. They each pay for the their own meal. Embarrassing. Neither one of them stepped to the plate to take care of the other guy!
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    Lefties have to be the 'tightest' group of people on the planet. Cheap tippers! I mentioned the following in a thread awhile back. O and Biden go to lunch at a local diner near the White House. They each pay for the their own meal. Embarrassing. Neither one of them stepped to the plate to take care of the other guy!
     
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    Slim..do you want me to name the small businesses that have closed since the beginning of the year or would you rather agree to disagree?
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    Slim..do you want me to name the small businesses that have closed since the beginning of the year or would you rather agree to disagree?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    Lefties have to be the 'tightest' group of people on the planet. Cheap tippers! I mentioned the following in a thread awhile back. O and Biden go to lunch at a local diner near the White House. They each pay for the their own meal. Embarrassing. Neither one of them stepped to the plate to take care of the other guy!
    At least they paid for their meals and not on the taxpayers dime. At least they didn't stiff the small business owner like the liar and theif that's in office now. Check out his ongoing lawsuits, like 2000 + .
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    Lefties have to be the 'tightest' group of people on the planet. Cheap tippers! I mentioned the following in a thread awhile back. O and Biden go to lunch at a local diner near the White House. They each pay for the their own meal. Embarrassing. Neither one of them stepped to the plate to take care of the other guy!
    At least they paid for their meals and not on the taxpayers dime. At least they didn't stiff the small business owner like the liar and theif that's in office now. Check out his ongoing lawsuits, like 2000 + .
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Slim..do you want me to name the small businesses that have closed since the beginning of the year or would you rather agree to disagree?


    Yeah,, I'd like to see that ...but also include the reason that they closed up shop ....I will bet it's not because of the Trump tax cuts...
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    Slim..do you want me to name the small businesses that have closed since the beginning of the year or would you rather agree to disagree?


    Yeah,, I'd like to see that ...but also include the reason that they closed up shop ....I will bet it's not because of the Trump tax cuts...
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