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    BWS77
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    Posted: Jun. 10, 2016 - 8:49 AM ET #126

    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:



    Some people should be more careful about their accusations that may or may not be true. Some libs will go to any length....

    “During a deposition given by me in connection with my matrimonial case, I stated that my husband had raped me,” the Ivana Trump statement said. “[O]n one occasion during 1989, Mr. Trump and I had marital relations in which he behaved very differently toward me than he had during our marriage. As a woman, I felt violated, as the love and tenderness, which he normally exhibited towards me, was absent. I referred to this as a ‘rape,’ but I do not want my words to be interpreted in a literal or criminal sense.”

    It's funny that you left off the first part of that, here it is for everyone's viewing pleasure..


     After a painful scalp reduction surgery to remove a bald spot, Donald Trump confronted his then-wife, who had previously used the same plastic surgeon.

    “Your friggin doctor has ruined me!” Trump cried.

    What followed was a “violent assault,” according to Lost Tycoon. Donald held back Ivana’s arms and began to pull out fistfuls of hair from her scalp, as if to mirror the pain he felt from his own operation. He tore off her clothes and unzipped his pants.

    “Then he jams his penis inside her for the first time in more than sixteen months. Ivana is terrified… It is a violent assault,” Hurt writes. “According to versions she repeats to some of her closest confidantes, ‘he raped me.’”

    Following the incident, Ivana ran upstairs, hid behind a locked door, and remained there “crying for the rest of night.” When she returned to the master bedroom in the morning, he was there.

    “As she looks in horror at the ripped-out hair scattered all over the bed, he glares at her and asks with menacing casualness: ‘Does it hurt?’” Hurt writes.






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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:



    Some people should be more careful about their accusations that may or may not be true. Some libs will go to any length....

    “During a deposition given by me in connection with my matrimonial case, I stated that my husband had raped me,” the Ivana Trump statement said. “[O]n one occasion during 1989, Mr. Trump and I had marital relations in which he behaved very differently toward me than he had during our marriage. As a woman, I felt violated, as the love and tenderness, which he normally exhibited towards me, was absent. I referred to this as a ‘rape,’ but I do not want my words to be interpreted in a literal or criminal sense.”

    It's funny that you left off the first part of that, here it is for everyone's viewing pleasure..


     After a painful scalp reduction surgery to remove a bald spot, Donald Trump confronted his then-wife, who had previously used the same plastic surgeon.

    “Your friggin doctor has ruined me!” Trump cried.

    What followed was a “violent assault,” according to Lost Tycoon. Donald held back Ivana’s arms and began to pull out fistfuls of hair from her scalp, as if to mirror the pain he felt from his own operation. He tore off her clothes and unzipped his pants.

    “Then he jams his penis inside her for the first time in more than sixteen months. Ivana is terrified… It is a violent assault,” Hurt writes. “According to versions she repeats to some of her closest confidantes, ‘he raped me.’”

    Following the incident, Ivana ran upstairs, hid behind a locked door, and remained there “crying for the rest of night.” When she returned to the master bedroom in the morning, he was there.

    “As she looks in horror at the ripped-out hair scattered all over the bed, he glares at her and asks with menacing casualness: ‘Does it hurt?’” Hurt writes.






     
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    Posted: Jun. 10, 2016 - 9:58 AM ET #127

    Was he convicted of gross sexual assault. Was he indicted. Did this even make it to the grand jury????? Then this to me is a story of a lady who wants more money in a divorce proceedings against a former husband.   
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    Was he convicted of gross sexual assault. Was he indicted. Did this even make it to the grand jury????? Then this to me is a story of a lady who wants more money in a divorce proceedings against a former husband.   
     
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    Posted: Jun. 10, 2016 - 10:01 AM ET #128

    Is their even a police report?.....
    Cry me a river ..... Did Paula Jones career was ruined did bill use position to gain leverage over an observation weight intern did Clinton perjure himself and need a pardon from bush to keep his lis lisence to practice law. ...
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    Is their even a police report?.....
    Cry me a river ..... Did Paula Jones career was ruined did bill use position to gain leverage over an observation weight intern did Clinton perjure himself and need a pardon from bush to keep his lis lisence to practice law. ...
     
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    Posted: Jun. 10, 2016 - 10:03 AM ET #129

    What difference does it make? Hillary Bernie vs Trump and ?. That's our choice. It's her or him will be our next president.
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    What difference does it make? Hillary Bernie vs Trump and ?. That's our choice. It's her or him will be our next president.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 10, 2016 - 11:12 AM ET #130

    BWS77, where is Trumps bald spot?

    He has more hair and had more hair than Danny Bonaduce did in his prime.

    You wouldn't make a good detective would you? (Rhetorical) That means we already know the answer.
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    BWS77, where is Trumps bald spot?

    He has more hair and had more hair than Danny Bonaduce did in his prime.

    You wouldn't make a good detective would you? (Rhetorical) That means we already know the answer.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 10, 2016 - 11:17 AM ET #131

    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:


    It's getting to the point that it's no longer any fun to argue with you because your reading comprehension needs a lot of work.

    I clearly said that both parties elect despicable people but the libs are more apt to overlook shenanigans while conservatives tend to be less forgiving. 

    This thread pretty much sums that up because you guys said that you don't care if your political figures rob a bank as long as they pay taxes on the loot or something like that. If they can kiss a lot of babies it doesn't matter what they've done, Right?





    even obama joked about this during his dinner speech

    few understand politcs and law. open a law office downtown next to a courthouse and you will figured it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:


    It's getting to the point that it's no longer any fun to argue with you because your reading comprehension needs a lot of work.

    I clearly said that both parties elect despicable people but the libs are more apt to overlook shenanigans while conservatives tend to be less forgiving. 

    This thread pretty much sums that up because you guys said that you don't care if your political figures rob a bank as long as they pay taxes on the loot or something like that. If they can kiss a lot of babies it doesn't matter what they've done, Right?





    even obama joked about this during his dinner speech

    few understand politcs and law. open a law office downtown next to a courthouse and you will figured it out.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 10, 2016 - 11:59 AM ET #132

    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:


    Are you quite sure that you want to lump me in with those that believe infidelity should be punished by death even though I have never even remotely hinted anything close.

    You say you're not a liberal but that is a play from the liberal playbook.

    There it is!!! The "conservative" defense mechanism!!!

       

    Someone doesn't agree with what you say? Call them a Liberal!!

    Ignore their stance on topics, call them a liberal!!!!

    Don't use rational logic and thought, just call them a liberal!!!


    Bowl, you'e the one that brought up adultery being punishable "in most states", which actually turned out to be less than half of states. Now you're moving off that stance to something like assets being divided up proportionally (seems like a socialist idea if you ask me). Doesn't that happen to most guys anyways when they get a divorce? Doesn't seem like much of a deterrent to adultery to me if a guy risks losing an extra couch or tv if he's already unhappy. Even people who claim to be fearful of God aren't deterred from cheating. If the threat of an eternal hell doesn't scare people way, I'm not sure coughing up an extra piece of furniture or savings account is going to stop them. 

    Good to see we've moved you away from clogging up the court system with adultery cases though! 


    I absolutely think that prosecuting adultery would be the same as prosecuting anyone driving 5 mph over the speed limit. It would be a waste of resources and time for our law enforcement and court system. That's how I equate the two. 

    I would love to live in a world where adultery doesn't happen but it does. Unfortunately that perfect world doesn't exist. BTW, cheating on a girlfriend doesn't constitute adultery anyways. Just to clarify that. 

    Also, I don't claim to be, or not be, a liberal or conservative or NPI. I just don't blindly follow one party or another. I try to think for myself as best I can and use logic to arrive at a decision. 

    With that being said, why are you supporting a candidate that has admitted to cheating on a spouse in the past? Especially given the rest of your views (though they are ever-shifting views) on adultery in this thread? 




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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:


    Are you quite sure that you want to lump me in with those that believe infidelity should be punished by death even though I have never even remotely hinted anything close.

    You say you're not a liberal but that is a play from the liberal playbook.

    There it is!!! The "conservative" defense mechanism!!!

       

    Someone doesn't agree with what you say? Call them a Liberal!!

    Ignore their stance on topics, call them a liberal!!!!

    Don't use rational logic and thought, just call them a liberal!!!


    Bowl, you'e the one that brought up adultery being punishable "in most states", which actually turned out to be less than half of states. Now you're moving off that stance to something like assets being divided up proportionally (seems like a socialist idea if you ask me). Doesn't that happen to most guys anyways when they get a divorce? Doesn't seem like much of a deterrent to adultery to me if a guy risks losing an extra couch or tv if he's already unhappy. Even people who claim to be fearful of God aren't deterred from cheating. If the threat of an eternal hell doesn't scare people way, I'm not sure coughing up an extra piece of furniture or savings account is going to stop them. 

    Good to see we've moved you away from clogging up the court system with adultery cases though! 


    I absolutely think that prosecuting adultery would be the same as prosecuting anyone driving 5 mph over the speed limit. It would be a waste of resources and time for our law enforcement and court system. That's how I equate the two. 

    I would love to live in a world where adultery doesn't happen but it does. Unfortunately that perfect world doesn't exist. BTW, cheating on a girlfriend doesn't constitute adultery anyways. Just to clarify that. 

    Also, I don't claim to be, or not be, a liberal or conservative or NPI. I just don't blindly follow one party or another. I try to think for myself as best I can and use logic to arrive at a decision. 

    With that being said, why are you supporting a candidate that has admitted to cheating on a spouse in the past? Especially given the rest of your views (though they are ever-shifting views) on adultery in this thread? 




     
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    Posted: Jun. 10, 2016 - 1:25 PM ET #133

    I didn't call you a liberal, I said you used a play from the liberal playbook. And it wasn't the first time.

    If a wife was sure she wouldn't get alimony it might deter some from stepping out. Men are not the only ones to cheat you know.

    The civil courts are not funded like the criminal courts are. Civil courts are paid for by the litigants...meaning they can build as many courthouses as the divorce market can support. 

    You read that article wrong (surprised) again. There are 21 states that currently have adultery laws, some misdemeanors, some felony.

    Some cities within those states may have ordinances so don't go claiming victory on that point until you're sure you have checked them all. Only need find 5 more to qualify for most so.....

    I'll hand it to you...I don't know if I've ever met someone like you who likes to argue so much about immaterial points.
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    I didn't call you a liberal, I said you used a play from the liberal playbook. And it wasn't the first time.

    If a wife was sure she wouldn't get alimony it might deter some from stepping out. Men are not the only ones to cheat you know.

    The civil courts are not funded like the criminal courts are. Civil courts are paid for by the litigants...meaning they can build as many courthouses as the divorce market can support. 

    You read that article wrong (surprised) again. There are 21 states that currently have adultery laws, some misdemeanors, some felony.

    Some cities within those states may have ordinances so don't go claiming victory on that point until you're sure you have checked them all. Only need find 5 more to qualify for most so.....

    I'll hand it to you...I don't know if I've ever met someone like you who likes to argue so much about immaterial points.
     
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    Oh, I forgot since you're probably the only one who can't read AND comprehend at the same time.

    I've said over and over that the ONLY reason I support Trump is because I loath Hillary.

    I'm positive that if you take another 3 looks and really focus and scrutinize, you will find several times that I've made exactly that point.
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    Oh, I forgot since you're probably the only one who can't read AND comprehend at the same time.

    I've said over and over that the ONLY reason I support Trump is because I loath Hillary.

    I'm positive that if you take another 3 looks and really focus and scrutinize, you will find several times that I've made exactly that point.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 10, 2016 - 2:54 PM ET #135

    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:

    I didn't call you a liberal, I said you used a play from the liberal playbook. And it wasn't the first time.

    If a wife was sure she wouldn't get alimony it might deter some from stepping out. Men are not the only ones to cheat you know.

    The civil courts are not funded like the criminal courts are. Civil courts are paid for by the litigants...meaning they can build as many courthouses as the divorce market can support. 

    You read that article wrong (surprised) again. There are 21 states that currently have adultery laws, some misdemeanors, some felony.

    Some cities within those states may have ordinances so don't go claiming victory on that point until you're sure you have checked them all. Only need find 5 more to qualify for most so.....

    I'll hand it to you...I don't know if I've ever met someone like you who likes to argue so much about immaterial points.

    I understand adultery is a sensitive subject for you, but I doubt your ex-wife's decision was for any reason other than seeking intellectual stimulation. 

    Civil courts are not funded by litigants. The court costs, like fines and taxes, are general income for the government, who has the sole control over the courts. Money is then paid for the courts out of those funds. 

    Adultery has been prosecuted five times in the last 20 years, most recently in a case in Wisconsin. Your talk of morality whilst defending Trump constantly is laughable. 


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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:

    I didn't call you a liberal, I said you used a play from the liberal playbook. And it wasn't the first time.

    If a wife was sure she wouldn't get alimony it might deter some from stepping out. Men are not the only ones to cheat you know.

    The civil courts are not funded like the criminal courts are. Civil courts are paid for by the litigants...meaning they can build as many courthouses as the divorce market can support. 

    You read that article wrong (surprised) again. There are 21 states that currently have adultery laws, some misdemeanors, some felony.

    Some cities within those states may have ordinances so don't go claiming victory on that point until you're sure you have checked them all. Only need find 5 more to qualify for most so.....

    I'll hand it to you...I don't know if I've ever met someone like you who likes to argue so much about immaterial points.

    I understand adultery is a sensitive subject for you, but I doubt your ex-wife's decision was for any reason other than seeking intellectual stimulation. 

    Civil courts are not funded by litigants. The court costs, like fines and taxes, are general income for the government, who has the sole control over the courts. Money is then paid for the courts out of those funds. 

    Adultery has been prosecuted five times in the last 20 years, most recently in a case in Wisconsin. Your talk of morality whilst defending Trump constantly is laughable. 


     
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    Posted: Jun. 10, 2016 - 2:56 PM ET #136

    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:

    I didn't call you a liberal, I said you used a play from the liberal playbook. And it wasn't the first time.

    If a wife was sure she wouldn't get alimony it might deter some from stepping out. Men are not the only ones to cheat you know.

    The civil courts are not funded like the criminal courts are. Civil courts are paid for by the litigants...meaning they can build as many courthouses as the divorce market can support. 

    You read that article wrong (surprised) again. There are 21 states that currently have adultery laws, some misdemeanors, some felony.

    Some cities within those states may have ordinances so don't go claiming victory on that point until you're sure you have checked them all. Only need find 5 more to qualify for most so.....

    I'll hand it to you...I don't know if I've ever met someone like you who likes to argue so much about immaterial points.

    You want to talk about splitting hairs now.....

    But since we are splitting hairs now, you could be correct. There very well could be cities that have ordinances against adultery....but then would wouldn't be comparing that against 50 states, we could be comparing that against all American cities. And even then, I'm not finding sources that are saying prosecuting adultery is a priority for those states, cities, villages, neighborhoods, households, whatever unit size you want to use. 

    I probably enjoy arguing immaterial points with you because I find your hypocrisy to be so persistent and you to be so narrow minded. You know that "if you don't agree with me, you're a Liberal!" stance. 

      

    It's a cute defense mechanism, it really is. It reminds me of a little kid trying to make fun of someone. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:

    I didn't call you a liberal, I said you used a play from the liberal playbook. And it wasn't the first time.

    If a wife was sure she wouldn't get alimony it might deter some from stepping out. Men are not the only ones to cheat you know.

    The civil courts are not funded like the criminal courts are. Civil courts are paid for by the litigants...meaning they can build as many courthouses as the divorce market can support. 

    You read that article wrong (surprised) again. There are 21 states that currently have adultery laws, some misdemeanors, some felony.

    Some cities within those states may have ordinances so don't go claiming victory on that point until you're sure you have checked them all. Only need find 5 more to qualify for most so.....

    I'll hand it to you...I don't know if I've ever met someone like you who likes to argue so much about immaterial points.

    You want to talk about splitting hairs now.....

    But since we are splitting hairs now, you could be correct. There very well could be cities that have ordinances against adultery....but then would wouldn't be comparing that against 50 states, we could be comparing that against all American cities. And even then, I'm not finding sources that are saying prosecuting adultery is a priority for those states, cities, villages, neighborhoods, households, whatever unit size you want to use. 

    I probably enjoy arguing immaterial points with you because I find your hypocrisy to be so persistent and you to be so narrow minded. You know that "if you don't agree with me, you're a Liberal!" stance. 

      

    It's a cute defense mechanism, it really is. It reminds me of a little kid trying to make fun of someone. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    I understand adultery is a sensitive subject for you, but I doubt your ex-wife's decision was for any reason other than seeking intellectual stimulation. 

    Civil courts are not funded by litigants. The court costs, like fines and taxes, are general income for the government, who has the sole control over the courts. Money is then paid for the courts out of those funds. 

    Adultery has been prosecuted five times in the last 20 years, most recently in a case in Wisconsin. Your talk of morality whilst defending Trump constantly is laughable. 



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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    I understand adultery is a sensitive subject for you, but I doubt your ex-wife's decision was for any reason other than seeking intellectual stimulation. 

    Civil courts are not funded by litigants. The court costs, like fines and taxes, are general income for the government, who has the sole control over the courts. Money is then paid for the courts out of those funds. 

    Adultery has been prosecuted five times in the last 20 years, most recently in a case in Wisconsin. Your talk of morality whilst defending Trump constantly is laughable. 



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    I understand adultery is a sensitive subject for you, but I doubt your ex-wife's decision was for any reason other than seeking intellectual stimulation. 

    Civil courts are not funded by litigants. The court costs, like fines and taxes, are general income for the government, who has the sole control over the courts. Money is then paid for the courts out of those funds. 

    Adultery has been prosecuted five times in the last 20 years, most recently in a case in Wisconsin. Your talk of morality whilst defending Trump constantly is laughable. 



    Please see post #134
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    I understand adultery is a sensitive subject for you, but I doubt your ex-wife's decision was for any reason other than seeking intellectual stimulation. 

    Civil courts are not funded by litigants. The court costs, like fines and taxes, are general income for the government, who has the sole control over the courts. Money is then paid for the courts out of those funds. 

    Adultery has been prosecuted five times in the last 20 years, most recently in a case in Wisconsin. Your talk of morality whilst defending Trump constantly is laughable. 



    Please see post #134
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    I understand adultery is a sensitive subject for you, but I doubt your ex-wife's decision was for any reason other than seeking intellectual stimulation. 

    Civil courts are not funded by litigants. The court costs, like fines and taxes, are general income for the government, who has the sole control over the courts. Money is then paid for the courts out of those funds. 

    Adultery has been prosecuted five times in the last 20 years, most recently in a case in Wisconsin. Your talk of morality whilst defending Trump constantly is laughable. 



    Show me where I said that it is prosecuted with vigor.

    If my memory serves me correctly, I think I said I wish it would be prosecuted MORE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    I understand adultery is a sensitive subject for you, but I doubt your ex-wife's decision was for any reason other than seeking intellectual stimulation. 

    Civil courts are not funded by litigants. The court costs, like fines and taxes, are general income for the government, who has the sole control over the courts. Money is then paid for the courts out of those funds. 

    Adultery has been prosecuted five times in the last 20 years, most recently in a case in Wisconsin. Your talk of morality whilst defending Trump constantly is laughable. 



    Show me where I said that it is prosecuted with vigor.

    If my memory serves me correctly, I think I said I wish it would be prosecuted MORE!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:


    Show me where I said that it is prosecuted with vigor.

    If my memory serves me correctly, I think I said I wish it would be prosecuted MORE!


    Which would still be ignorant and wasteful....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:


    Show me where I said that it is prosecuted with vigor.

    If my memory serves me correctly, I think I said I wish it would be prosecuted MORE!


    Which would still be ignorant and wasteful....

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Was he convicted of gross sexual assault. Was he indicted. Did this even make it to the grand jury????? Then this to me is a story of a lady who wants more money in a divorce proceedings against a former husband.   


    Trump loves him some rape!  

    Two years ago, Trump weighed in on the alarming rate of sexual assault and rape in the military—and in doing so, pinned the blame on the presence of women.

    “26,000 unreported sexual [assaults] in the military—only 238 convictions. What did these geniuses expect when they put men & women together?” he tweeted in 2013. “The Generals and top military brass never wanted a mixer but were forced to do it by very dumb politicians who wanted to be politically [correct]!” he continued.


    Trump’s other public statements on rape cases range from tone-deaf to offensive. In 1992, he floated the idea that convicted rapist and boxer Mike Tyson should be allowed to pay “millions and millions” of dollars to rape victims instead of serving jail time. Trump’s modest proposal did not go over well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Was he convicted of gross sexual assault. Was he indicted. Did this even make it to the grand jury????? Then this to me is a story of a lady who wants more money in a divorce proceedings against a former husband.   


    Trump loves him some rape!  

    Two years ago, Trump weighed in on the alarming rate of sexual assault and rape in the military—and in doing so, pinned the blame on the presence of women.

    “26,000 unreported sexual [assaults] in the military—only 238 convictions. What did these geniuses expect when they put men & women together?” he tweeted in 2013. “The Generals and top military brass never wanted a mixer but were forced to do it by very dumb politicians who wanted to be politically [correct]!” he continued.


    Trump’s other public statements on rape cases range from tone-deaf to offensive. In 1992, he floated the idea that convicted rapist and boxer Mike Tyson should be allowed to pay “millions and millions” of dollars to rape victims instead of serving jail time. Trump’s modest proposal did not go over well.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:

    BWS77, where is Trumps bald spot?

    He has more hair and had more hair than Danny Bonaduce did in his prime.

    You wouldn't make a good detective would you? (Rhetorical) That means we already know the answer.

    This explains why his hair looks like the tail of large animal combed over.   

    Scalp reduction is a surgical treatment to remove parts of the scalp that are affected by alopecia, the purpose being to reduce the overall area of bald skin. The healthier parts of the scalp are then stretched and re-positioned, making the balding area smaller and more manageable.



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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:

    BWS77, where is Trumps bald spot?

    He has more hair and had more hair than Danny Bonaduce did in his prime.

    You wouldn't make a good detective would you? (Rhetorical) That means we already know the answer.

    This explains why his hair looks like the tail of large animal combed over.   

    Scalp reduction is a surgical treatment to remove parts of the scalp that are affected by alopecia, the purpose being to reduce the overall area of bald skin. The healthier parts of the scalp are then stretched and re-positioned, making the balding area smaller and more manageable.



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:



    Trump loves him some rape!  

    Two years ago, Trump weighed in on the alarming rate of sexual assault and rape in the military—and in doing so, pinned the blame on the presence of women.

    “26,000 unreported sexual [assaults] in the military—only 238 convictions. What did these geniuses expect when they put men & women together?” he tweeted in 2013. “The Generals and top military brass never wanted a mixer but were forced to do it by very dumb politicians who wanted to be politically [correct]!” he continued.


    Trump’s other public statements on rape cases range from tone-deaf to offensive. In 1992, he floated the idea that convicted rapist and boxer Mike Tyson should be allowed to pay “millions and millions” of dollars to rape victims instead of serving jail time. Trump’s modest proposal did not go over well.

    OK were going down this road. So rape is defined by male on female assault only? Trump has stated many things that are vulgar but the narrative the Dems need to drive is Hillary Clinton is a champion for women and Trump's the adversary. Or satan of them. OK what about Paula Jones? Where ice queen on that one.
    You driven a point of view of what Trump's ex did in negotiating a better deal than a penupt allowed in civil litigation as a basis to condemn trump as a rapist. OK. I countered with a argument this was to gain advantages in a civil divorce suit so in comes Tyson convicted of domestic violence and abuse. So trump stated bankrupt him and this is defending Tyson?...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:



    Trump loves him some rape!  

    Two years ago, Trump weighed in on the alarming rate of sexual assault and rape in the military—and in doing so, pinned the blame on the presence of women.

    “26,000 unreported sexual [assaults] in the military—only 238 convictions. What did these geniuses expect when they put men & women together?” he tweeted in 2013. “The Generals and top military brass never wanted a mixer but were forced to do it by very dumb politicians who wanted to be politically [correct]!” he continued.


    Trump’s other public statements on rape cases range from tone-deaf to offensive. In 1992, he floated the idea that convicted rapist and boxer Mike Tyson should be allowed to pay “millions and millions” of dollars to rape victims instead of serving jail time. Trump’s modest proposal did not go over well.

    OK were going down this road. So rape is defined by male on female assault only? Trump has stated many things that are vulgar but the narrative the Dems need to drive is Hillary Clinton is a champion for women and Trump's the adversary. Or satan of them. OK what about Paula Jones? Where ice queen on that one.
    You driven a point of view of what Trump's ex did in negotiating a better deal than a penupt allowed in civil litigation as a basis to condemn trump as a rapist. OK. I countered with a argument this was to gain advantages in a civil divorce suit so in comes Tyson convicted of domestic violence and abuse. So trump stated bankrupt him and this is defending Tyson?...
     
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    As far as WAC assimilation into the army well this road has paved. Women. Have proven they have the heart of stones to kill people and break things behind well as any male soldier.  Many beliwved that women should not be drafted for warand now we are setting up for a machine of equal rights than we now require women to register for a draft. How does this work with the ice Queen administration. 


    For what purpose does this begin to change not who we are but why we are better morally responsible for our citizens well being.
    Are we to become as ruthless as our enemies. And decptful as our adversary and turn to troubled areas with any moral standards and ethics. To deliver why they need to change what they do.???
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    As far as WAC assimilation into the army well this road has paved. Women. Have proven they have the heart of stones to kill people and break things behind well as any male soldier.  Many beliwved that women should not be drafted for warand now we are setting up for a machine of equal rights than we now require women to register for a draft. How does this work with the ice Queen administration. 


    For what purpose does this begin to change not who we are but why we are better morally responsible for our citizens well being.
    Are we to become as ruthless as our enemies. And decptful as our adversary and turn to troubled areas with any moral standards and ethics. To deliver why they need to change what they do.???
     
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    trump said yesterday at the faith and freedom conference

    "no person should be judged by their race"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMzIP2nxsgI

    there you go people.
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    trump said yesterday at the faith and freedom conference

    "no person should be judged by their race"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMzIP2nxsgI

    there you go people.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:

    Oh, I forgot since you're probably the only one who can't read AND comprehend at the same time.

    I've said over and over that the ONLY reason I support Trump is because I loath Hillary.

    I'm positive that if you take another 3 looks and really focus and scrutinize, you will find several times that I've made exactly that point.

    That's why I don't consider you as a conservative. Conservative has values and principles and you just an anti-D and you don't really care much about the character of the person you support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:

    Oh, I forgot since you're probably the only one who can't read AND comprehend at the same time.

    I've said over and over that the ONLY reason I support Trump is because I loath Hillary.

    I'm positive that if you take another 3 looks and really focus and scrutinize, you will find several times that I've made exactly that point.

    That's why I don't consider you as a conservative. Conservative has values and principles and you just an anti-D and you don't really care much about the character of the person you support.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    1.  So, no evidence then.  surely, the way the media love to report about happy people and transgender, if there was any sort of major issue with transgender people causing problems or committing crimes in bathrooms, there'd be some stories about it.  and definitely if it was such a problem that rightwingers need big government to protect them from transgender people, you'd be able to find some media attention.  but no.

    2. call it what you want, but when big government creates laws dealing with bathroom etiquette without any indication it's a problem that needs to be addressed, to me it's looks like a safe zone for scared rightwingers who look to the gov't for protection from pretend boogeymen. otherwise, no real conservative in his right mind would want big government creating more laws addressing this nonsense.

    3. maybe so, but if republicans really wanted to protect women, as you stated earlier, this would be much better place to start, with actual reports of rape and actual evidence collected by the police, which in many state just sit in a room collecting dust while possible rapists walk.

    call me heartless all you want.  i just don't want big government getting bigger and making more laws to address nonissues just to appease religious fanatics and  rightwingers scared of their shadows.

    i glossed over islam because it has nothing to do with these transgender bathroom laws.  we already have laws making child molestation illegal.  if muslims are breaking them, then they should be punished accordingly, just like anyone else.
    1. Do you even know what the definition of transgender is? I don’t think you do so let me save you the time of googleing it. It’s a man or woman that doesn’t except the gender assigned to them at birth. There is evidence of thousands of crimes committed by men who pose as women. As a republican, I can tell you I have ZERO fear of transgender people. I DO fear for the safety of my mother, wife, daughter, sister, niece and female cousins. Letting people have unrestricted access the bathroom that doesn’t not correspond with the sex on their birth certificate is a public safety issue. It puts all women in danger.

    2. There wasn’t an issue until transgender people started to publicly announce they were using women’s restrooms and it became a public safety issue. Stop with the big government nonsense. Are you against seat belt laws? Are you against public intoxication laws? How about DUI laws? Or building code laws, prescription drug regulation, food regulation, and occupational safety and health laws? You liberal libertarians are nuts.

    3. Rape kits and a public safety law are two separate issues that have no relation to each other. You have this delusional belief that republicans just don’t care about rape when in actuality its democrats throwing money blindly at an issue with no clear plan on how to address the problem. And that’s the heart of the issue for fiscal conservative republicans. They believe in a managing a balanced budget and having a clear plan and want to know exactly how the money will be spent. Another issue is police chiefs and sheriffs have finite resources. Also, testing a kit that would not result in a conviction is not a good use of money. Yes liberals, even crime fighters are told to abide by a budget. Some police investigators have also determined the kits that have not been tested already don't need to be. The untested tests have no evidentiary value considering police already know who the suspect is or the police determined no crime occurred in any of those cases. Another thing is congress set up grants in 2013 for police but none of the money was awarded and no protocols have been issued. Let me guess, fiscal conservatives are to blame - DUN-DUN-DUUUUN!!! Most police agencies have no written guidance, no policy, and no law at the state level telling police what to do with this evidence. And as a result, you see widespread inconsistencies in how this evidence is handled. You left leaner's just fabricated a fake narrative about rape kits to attack republicans as unsympathetic when the truth is the issue is more about budget costs and plan of execution.

    4. I brought up Islam because you asked me why I consider you left leaner’s to be pedophile enablers. I answered you by saying that you left leaner’s enable, condone, and accept the endorsement and practice of Islam. Islam’s prophet was a pedophile and the Quran is a prescriptive tool used to promote pedophilia, murder, rape, slavery, and terrorism. This is a public safety issue that the left leaner’s ignore. That makes the left leaner’s, like you, accomplices, accessories, aiders and abettors. Most republicans get this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    1.  So, no evidence then.  surely, the way the media love to report about happy people and transgender, if there was any sort of major issue with transgender people causing problems or committing crimes in bathrooms, there'd be some stories about it.  and definitely if it was such a problem that rightwingers need big government to protect them from transgender people, you'd be able to find some media attention.  but no.

    2. call it what you want, but when big government creates laws dealing with bathroom etiquette without any indication it's a problem that needs to be addressed, to me it's looks like a safe zone for scared rightwingers who look to the gov't for protection from pretend boogeymen. otherwise, no real conservative in his right mind would want big government creating more laws addressing this nonsense.

    3. maybe so, but if republicans really wanted to protect women, as you stated earlier, this would be much better place to start, with actual reports of rape and actual evidence collected by the police, which in many state just sit in a room collecting dust while possible rapists walk.

    call me heartless all you want.  i just don't want big government getting bigger and making more laws to address nonissues just to appease religious fanatics and  rightwingers scared of their shadows.

    i glossed over islam because it has nothing to do with these transgender bathroom laws.  we already have laws making child molestation illegal.  if muslims are breaking them, then they should be punished accordingly, just like anyone else.
    1. Do you even know what the definition of transgender is? I don’t think you do so let me save you the time of googleing it. It’s a man or woman that doesn’t except the gender assigned to them at birth. There is evidence of thousands of crimes committed by men who pose as women. As a republican, I can tell you I have ZERO fear of transgender people. I DO fear for the safety of my mother, wife, daughter, sister, niece and female cousins. Letting people have unrestricted access the bathroom that doesn’t not correspond with the sex on their birth certificate is a public safety issue. It puts all women in danger.

    2. There wasn’t an issue until transgender people started to publicly announce they were using women’s restrooms and it became a public safety issue. Stop with the big government nonsense. Are you against seat belt laws? Are you against public intoxication laws? How about DUI laws? Or building code laws, prescription drug regulation, food regulation, and occupational safety and health laws? You liberal libertarians are nuts.

    3. Rape kits and a public safety law are two separate issues that have no relation to each other. You have this delusional belief that republicans just don’t care about rape when in actuality its democrats throwing money blindly at an issue with no clear plan on how to address the problem. And that’s the heart of the issue for fiscal conservative republicans. They believe in a managing a balanced budget and having a clear plan and want to know exactly how the money will be spent. Another issue is police chiefs and sheriffs have finite resources. Also, testing a kit that would not result in a conviction is not a good use of money. Yes liberals, even crime fighters are told to abide by a budget. Some police investigators have also determined the kits that have not been tested already don't need to be. The untested tests have no evidentiary value considering police already know who the suspect is or the police determined no crime occurred in any of those cases. Another thing is congress set up grants in 2013 for police but none of the money was awarded and no protocols have been issued. Let me guess, fiscal conservatives are to blame - DUN-DUN-DUUUUN!!! Most police agencies have no written guidance, no policy, and no law at the state level telling police what to do with this evidence. And as a result, you see widespread inconsistencies in how this evidence is handled. You left leaner's just fabricated a fake narrative about rape kits to attack republicans as unsympathetic when the truth is the issue is more about budget costs and plan of execution.

    4. I brought up Islam because you asked me why I consider you left leaner’s to be pedophile enablers. I answered you by saying that you left leaner’s enable, condone, and accept the endorsement and practice of Islam. Islam’s prophet was a pedophile and the Quran is a prescriptive tool used to promote pedophilia, murder, rape, slavery, and terrorism. This is a public safety issue that the left leaner’s ignore. That makes the left leaner’s, like you, accomplices, accessories, aiders and abettors. Most republicans get this.

     
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    There is evidence of thousands of crimes committed by men who pose as women.

    all i'm asking is for you to prove this statement to establish that transgender people causing crimes in bathrooms is such a problem that we need big government to make more laws and bigger government to address it.

    once that happens, if it ever does, then we can move on to step two which is whether big government creating a safe space for scared rightwingers actually will solve the alleged problem.  but, we aren't quite at step two yet.



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    There is evidence of thousands of crimes committed by men who pose as women.

    all i'm asking is for you to prove this statement to establish that transgender people causing crimes in bathrooms is such a problem that we need big government to make more laws and bigger government to address it.

    once that happens, if it ever does, then we can move on to step two which is whether big government creating a safe space for scared rightwingers actually will solve the alleged problem.  but, we aren't quite at step two yet.



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    There is evidence of thousands of crimes committed by men who pose as women.

    all i'm asking is for you to prove this statement to establish that transgender people causing crimes in bathrooms is such a problem that we need big government to make more laws and bigger government to address it.

    once that happens, if it ever does, then we can move on to step two which is whether big government creating a safe space for scared rightwingers actually will solve the alleged problem.  but, we aren't quite at step two yet.



    OK. Crimes committed by men posing as women.

    James Jimmy Lilly, 24, a transgender Bluefield man involved in youth ministry at local Episcopal churches was arrested and charged with multiple counts of sexual abuse of a juvenile. He was charged with one count of incest, one count of second-degree sexual assault and 31 counts of first-degree sexual abuse. The victim was a juvenile female. The abuse began when the victim was 9 to 10 years old, and continued until she was 16.

    Taylor Buehler, 18, snuck into a women’s bathroom at a community college while wearing a bra and wig and later admitted to taking a shower in the women’s locker room. A predatory sex offender who dressed as a female and entered the women's locker room at North Clackamas Aquatic Park was sentenced to nine months in jail.

    Hadden Irving Clark, known as the Cross-dressing cannibal, loved to wear women’s clothes and killed multiple women and actually claims to be a woman. He told police that he thought if he drank the blood of women and ate some of their remains that it would transform him into a woman. He pleaded guilty to second-degree murder and was later convicted of another murder giving him a total of 60 years in prison. 10 more years were added to his sentence for robbery.

    Thomas Lee Benson, 39, dressed as a woman to enter the women's locker room at North Clackamas Aquatic Park. Benson was convicted of sexually abusing children 18 years ago and has a history of dressing as a woman. He was convicted in October of second-degree criminal trespassing, unlawful entry into a motor vehicle and frequenting a place where children regularly congregate -- a crime for predatory sex offenders. Sgt. Adam Phillips, Clackamas County Sheriff's Office spokesman, said Benson was convicted of first-degree sexual abuse and paying to view child pornography. In 2001, he was convicted of second-degree trespassing for entering a locker room at an aquatic center. Seven years later, he was convicted of unlawful contact with a child. "Mr. Benson has been known to dress as a female to gain access to undressed minor females by frequenting restrooms, dressing rooms, changing rooms, aquatic centers and pool locker rooms," Phillips said. "Mr. Benson has been known to use money, candy and threats to gain access to his victims."

    Christopher Hambrook, 37, under the name “Jessica,” was able to get into the women’s shelters, where he sexually assaulted several women in 2012. The court heard how one woman awoke to find Hambrook assaulting her on her bed. “Her tights had been pulled down past her bottom and her bathing suit had been pulled to the side,” court documents reveal. “She yelled at the accused, demanding to know what he was doing. He simply covered his face with his hands, said ‘Oops!’ and started giggling.” The court also heard evidence of Hambrook terrorizing a deaf woman living in the shelter. “The accused grabbed the complainant’s hand and forcibly placed it on his crotch area while his penis was erect,” the court heard. The same deaf women reported that Hambrook would peer at her through a gap between the door and its frame while she showered. Hambrook also served four years in jail for a 2002 sexual assault of a five-year-old girl who was a family friend and for raping a mentally challenged 27-year-old woman.

    I’m confused. Why would male right-wingers be afraid? Republican men who use the men’s room have nothing to fear. The predators are using the women’s restrooms not the men’s to attack women. Are you talking about female republican women?

    I think this is enough proof. I could keep going but why waste the time. I love your arrogance and ignorance. It humors me. That’s why I’m playing along. You tired of me schooling you and want to move on to step two now?  

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    There is evidence of thousands of crimes committed by men who pose as women.

    all i'm asking is for you to prove this statement to establish that transgender people causing crimes in bathrooms is such a problem that we need big government to make more laws and bigger government to address it.

    once that happens, if it ever does, then we can move on to step two which is whether big government creating a safe space for scared rightwingers actually will solve the alleged problem.  but, we aren't quite at step two yet.



    OK. Crimes committed by men posing as women.

    James Jimmy Lilly, 24, a transgender Bluefield man involved in youth ministry at local Episcopal churches was arrested and charged with multiple counts of sexual abuse of a juvenile. He was charged with one count of incest, one count of second-degree sexual assault and 31 counts of first-degree sexual abuse. The victim was a juvenile female. The abuse began when the victim was 9 to 10 years old, and continued until she was 16.

    Taylor Buehler, 18, snuck into a women’s bathroom at a community college while wearing a bra and wig and later admitted to taking a shower in the women’s locker room. A predatory sex offender who dressed as a female and entered the women's locker room at North Clackamas Aquatic Park was sentenced to nine months in jail.

    Hadden Irving Clark, known as the Cross-dressing cannibal, loved to wear women’s clothes and killed multiple women and actually claims to be a woman. He told police that he thought if he drank the blood of women and ate some of their remains that it would transform him into a woman. He pleaded guilty to second-degree murder and was later convicted of another murder giving him a total of 60 years in prison. 10 more years were added to his sentence for robbery.

    Thomas Lee Benson, 39, dressed as a woman to enter the women's locker room at North Clackamas Aquatic Park. Benson was convicted of sexually abusing children 18 years ago and has a history of dressing as a woman. He was convicted in October of second-degree criminal trespassing, unlawful entry into a motor vehicle and frequenting a place where children regularly congregate -- a crime for predatory sex offenders. Sgt. Adam Phillips, Clackamas County Sheriff's Office spokesman, said Benson was convicted of first-degree sexual abuse and paying to view child pornography. In 2001, he was convicted of second-degree trespassing for entering a locker room at an aquatic center. Seven years later, he was convicted of unlawful contact with a child. "Mr. Benson has been known to dress as a female to gain access to undressed minor females by frequenting restrooms, dressing rooms, changing rooms, aquatic centers and pool locker rooms," Phillips said. "Mr. Benson has been known to use money, candy and threats to gain access to his victims."

    Christopher Hambrook, 37, under the name “Jessica,” was able to get into the women’s shelters, where he sexually assaulted several women in 2012. The court heard how one woman awoke to find Hambrook assaulting her on her bed. “Her tights had been pulled down past her bottom and her bathing suit had been pulled to the side,” court documents reveal. “She yelled at the accused, demanding to know what he was doing. He simply covered his face with his hands, said ‘Oops!’ and started giggling.” The court also heard evidence of Hambrook terrorizing a deaf woman living in the shelter. “The accused grabbed the complainant’s hand and forcibly placed it on his crotch area while his penis was erect,” the court heard. The same deaf women reported that Hambrook would peer at her through a gap between the door and its frame while she showered. Hambrook also served four years in jail for a 2002 sexual assault of a five-year-old girl who was a family friend and for raping a mentally challenged 27-year-old woman.

    I’m confused. Why would male right-wingers be afraid? Republican men who use the men’s room have nothing to fear. The predators are using the women’s restrooms not the men’s to attack women. Are you talking about female republican women?

    I think this is enough proof. I could keep going but why waste the time. I love your arrogance and ignorance. It humors me. That’s why I’m playing along. You tired of me schooling you and want to move on to step two now?  

     
     
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    great, not sure your sources but maybe you have 4 examples over who knows what period of time in the entire country and only one of which involved a bathroom.  let's create more laws and bigger government. 

    i'm just trying to show you how to be a real conservative rather than a big government liberal who wants big brother to protect you. 

    you may be too far gone on the big government/safe space liberal spectrum, but in case you ever want to try and become a real conservative one day, here's a handy three step process to go through to determine whether more laws and bigger government is the answer to your fears and concerns:

    1. is there a verified, proven problem that needs to be addressed by more laws and bigger government?  in this scenario we'd be looking for some kind of consistent, significant pattern of transgender people committing crimes inside bathrooms. 

    2. if so, is the new law and bigger government likely to solve or improve the problem?  here, we'd need proof that creating a safe space in bathrooms is likely to deter criminals from committing the crimes that were proven to often occur in part one.  not just laws to try to appease rightwing bed wetting over the issue.

    3. if the answers to 1 and 2 are yes, are there already laws in place to deal with the problem so that we don't need any more?  for instance, if we are trying deter rape or child molestation, don't we already have such laws in place to do that?  if so, we don't need even more laws, and bigger government as it becomes redundant.

    so, i implore you to stop looking to big government to create a safe space for you.  stop being such a liberal who wants big brother to solve your issues, whether real or perceived.

    follow these steps to become a limited government conservative. 
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    great, not sure your sources but maybe you have 4 examples over who knows what period of time in the entire country and only one of which involved a bathroom.  let's create more laws and bigger government. 

    i'm just trying to show you how to be a real conservative rather than a big government liberal who wants big brother to protect you. 

    you may be too far gone on the big government/safe space liberal spectrum, but in case you ever want to try and become a real conservative one day, here's a handy three step process to go through to determine whether more laws and bigger government is the answer to your fears and concerns:

    1. is there a verified, proven problem that needs to be addressed by more laws and bigger government?  in this scenario we'd be looking for some kind of consistent, significant pattern of transgender people committing crimes inside bathrooms. 

    2. if so, is the new law and bigger government likely to solve or improve the problem?  here, we'd need proof that creating a safe space in bathrooms is likely to deter criminals from committing the crimes that were proven to often occur in part one.  not just laws to try to appease rightwing bed wetting over the issue.

    3. if the answers to 1 and 2 are yes, are there already laws in place to deal with the problem so that we don't need any more?  for instance, if we are trying deter rape or child molestation, don't we already have such laws in place to do that?  if so, we don't need even more laws, and bigger government as it becomes redundant.

    so, i implore you to stop looking to big government to create a safe space for you.  stop being such a liberal who wants big brother to solve your issues, whether real or perceived.

    follow these steps to become a limited government conservative. 
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