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Cotton has been hurt by various fighters from 140 lbs up to 157 lbs. None of the fighters that hurt him hit as hard as Canelo. After so many wars Cotto's punch resistance is depleted.
Yes I agree that Cotto has the advantage in footwork, but he's no Mayweather, nor does he have the height and reach of Trout and Lara. Cotto's advantage in footwork and boxing skills is being highly overvalued. I think Cotto will look good in the fight until he gets hurt. Then it's all downhill from there. |
Jrod6 | 16 |
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Golovkin is still being built up by his promoters. They could make much more money if they keep the hype train rolling. And Ward needs to get back in the ring ASAP! He's accumulating rust and wasting his prime years. The casual fan has completely forgot about him. And yet I'm sure he feels he deserves the bigger portion of the pot even though he failed to take advantage of his new found appeal after winning the Super Six tournament. Ward messed up big time. His devout religious beliefs make him feel everything will be alright - somebody needs to tell him with no uncertainty that he's ruining his career by being so picky and demanding with negotiations. He wants to be the A side everytime, but that takes time and consistency unless you have a built in fanbase which he doesn't have.
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LarryParker | 27 |
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I bet on Lara and had Canelo winning 8 rounds to 4. Lara ran all night. 117-111 is only 1 round off from how I scored it. Don't let the commentators influence you. Lara was running and taking body shots in the process. Yeah he mad Canelo miss and look slow footed, but he rarely landed anything decent. He was hardly ever in range for himself to get off, which to me is the definition of running.
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Crazyremy | 14 |
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I hate to admit it because I'm a big Canelo fan but he's got heavy feet and bad stamina. Canelo is tailor made for Lara.
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rzagza | 21 |
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I scored the Canelo - Trout fight 6 rounds to 6 with the knockdown being the edge for Canelo. Lara is faster and smarter than Trout with a much better trainer. I'm just worried Lara's overuse of his legs will make him look like a runner in the judges eyes.
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rzagza | 21 |
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I agree with your overall assessment but I think Lara will make Canelo look even worse than he did in the Mayweather fight. 1 judge is automatically in the bag for Canelo. They probably got that judge smoking the same stuff CJ Ross was smoking. Lara is longer than Mayweather with more lateral movement plus he's a southpaw. I like the "Lara or draw" prop at +165
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rzagza | 21 |
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True champion? He's never won a championship. I feel bad that he got robbed - reminds me of his last fight where he was on his way to losing and got lucky the doctor stopped it in his favor. Or when he got schooled by Sergio Mora twice but got a gift decision both times. Between Corley, Stevenson by early KO, and Vera, how much did you lose this weekend? GTFOH like you said you would hoe.
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Jerseyboy89 | 30 |
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Between the losses on Corley, Stevenson by early KO, and Vera, how much did you lose tonight?
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Jerseyboy89 | 10 |
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Chavez JR sucks but Vera is complete utter garbage. Best case scenario for Vera is he survives the full 10 rounds while enduring the worst beating of his life.
Vera has broken down some fighters in the past, but those fighters didn't weigh 191 lbs and have a granite chin. Vera is outgunned and dare I say outclassed. Chavez JR has an extremely leaky defense but compared to Vera he's Willie Pep. Vera has zero chance. ZERO! Having said that I wish Vera the best of luck. I hope he retires Chavez JR. |
Jerseyboy89 | 30 |
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There's no question she was paid off, but my question is, Paid off by who?"
Goldenboy Promotions are a likely suspect but I'm thinking it was the sports casino who were taking big bets on Floyd by UD. Then again even the other judges had it closer than most. I had it 10-2 or 118-110. ESPN's fat guy boxing analyst had it a shutout. Oscar's timing to go into rehab is suspicious. Maybe he's the one who paid the judges but didn't want to be at the scene of the crime. Who knows? Hopefuly Floyd sees this as an impetus to stop relying on the judges. Maybe the state comission understands that Floyd's marketability is on the decline unless he's got a great B-side. Let's face it, many casual fans were turned off at having to pay 75 bucks for very little violence and won't buy another Mayweather PPV for a long time.
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DaddysHome | 11 |
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Quote Originally Posted by gridironguy: 1) may will not ko canelo because he will fight even more defensive than usual because canelo has good power. 2) even though you're bad bet will lose you will continue posting and not keep your word. guaranteed. LMFAO
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Jerseyboy89 | 28 |
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Rebuttal to your first point: "Why did Floyd go the full 12 with CARLOS BALDOMIR! If you think Canelo is slow...
2nd point: Anyone can get caught - ANYONE. Floyd's been buzzed or rocked a few times in his career himself and he has the best defense in the game. I favor Floyd to win but I highly doubt he wins by KO. 3rd point: Its true that Roger is considered the co-trainer. But liitle Floyd and Sr refer to Sr as "head trainer". It's obvious Floyd Sr is leaving his imprint on JR. Little Floyd is utilizing more distance and lateral movement and not letting himself get cornered like he used to. Im too lazy to look up the exact Youtube links, but there are old interviews (pre Guerrero fight) where Roger is obviously mad that he's no longer "head trainer", and another (after Guerrero fight) where Floyd Sr says, "If Canelo wants the fight he has to come down to 150". The unreasonable weight loss demand is a sign of fear on the part of Sr. Its unlikely that the gameplan is to force the KO. Like I said on another thread, Floyd had Cotto staggered in the last round and didn't go for the kill. That says it all. |
Jerseyboy89 | 9 |
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Canelo has an under-rated boxing IQ. He's not as predictable as people think and most importantly, he has true power and is naturally bigger. Maybe not in height, but if you look at the faceoff pictures, Canelo's wrist bones and forearms are way bigger than Floyd's.
Floyd Sr just relearned not to push for the KO if you're up on the scorecards. His fighter Mickey Bey was way ahead on the scorecards and before the last round Floyd Sr says, "If u go to the body you'll finish him." So Mickey Bey goes out and hurts Molina to the body, tries to finish him and ends up getting TKO'd himself. Floyd is too much of a "safety-first" fighter to try and KO the naturally bigger man. Why do think he switched trainers from his offensive-minded uncle to his defensive-minded father? There's a good chance Mayweather-Canelo turns into a defensive dud of a fight. That's another reason big money was spent on Garcia-Matthyse...so the casual fan doesn't leave with a bad taste in his mouth. |
Jerseyboy89 | 9 |
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His punch resistance is now garbage. His balance has gotten worse. His reflexes have slowed. He's always getting injured. I used to be a big Berto fan. Watching him last night made ME feel old.
Even before Berto hurt his shoulder last night he looked like "damaged goods". I hope he saved the money he made from fighting D level opponents back when he was considered a blue-chip prospect. What I never understood was how his stamina got worse before he even started taking beatings. (Do yall remember Berto-Estrada. His stamina was good back then) To me the drop in stamina while still in his "prime" is a is a sign of steroid use. The steroids compromised his cardiovascular health. And then of course he had the positive steroid test. He can claim all he wants that it was from a contaminated supplement, but I find it peculiar that he's having so many strains and injuries, which of course is another sign of steriod use. I have no proof that Berto has been juicing for years, but the signs are all there... Maybe I should ask one of his x-girlfriends about it. "Like raisins" |
DatMofoThere85 | 3 |
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They say don't hook with a hooker..Mathysse might have the better right hand, but if these guys hook at the same time, Garcia's hook is gonna land first. Garcia's hook is sharper, faster, more powerful, more natural and it can be thrown as a counter with good timing.
Gutting through tough fights makes a fighter stronger mentally. Garcia has had rough moments in more than one fight but never showed any "quit". The fact that he's won all of his tough fights shows that he'll never stop believing he can still win, no matter how bad Matthysse starts to bust him up. I favor Mattysse in this fight. I'll probably bet on him too. But Garcia does have real power and a come from behind win would not surprise me at all. Sooooooo, what do you guys predict the oods will be? I'm thinking Matthysse -210
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Jerseyboy89 | 11 |
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Canelo is green but his power must be respected. Austin Trout never looked troubled vs Cotto yet he let a close fight vs Canelo slip away because he over-respected Canelo. Floyd had Cotto staggered in the 12th and didn't even try for the KO - why? It wasn't because his hand was broken (only slightly swollen), it was because Floyd is a safety-first fighter.
Unless a fighter is wreckless like Hatton, Floyd is gonna be content to just win a decision. Remember when Floyd fought Baldomir? Baldomir was slower than anyone Floyd had ever fought and Floyd never even tried for the KO. Canelo isn't wreckless, he has a decent jab and boxing IQ, and he hits hard as bricks. The fact that Floyd got touched up vs Cotto tells me he'll be even less willing to sit on the ropes vs a bigger man. Floy'ds gonna employ tons of lateral movement just like in the Guerrero fight and hit Canelo with potshots all night. Canelo has his flaws, but Mayweather is too much of a safety-first fighter to even TRY for the KO.
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Jerseyboy89 | 28 |
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One punch can change everything at heavyweight, that's why I rarely bet on them. Chisora looks in the best shape of his life and he has real heart and balls. The fight is in the UK, plus Scott is unmarketable so you know Chisora has already won 2 rounds. I favor Scott but there are too many question marks for me to put money at -odds.
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EricLinny | 6 |
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I see absolutely nothing wrong with JerseyBoy89 posting his opinions. That's what your'e supposed to do on a forum. Now as far him boasting about his winnings, yea that's a different story, but he's toned it down recently it seems.
Keep posting Jersey. Somebody's gotta post something and most of the time I'm too busy or too lazy to post, yet I find myself visiting the forums quite often.
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nc1capper | 11 |
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Over 9.5 all day. What Judah has lost in stamina and reflexes, he's made up for in experience and a new found dedication. Garcia's best punch is his left hook but you can tell he's too in love with that punch right now because all his weight is always on his left foot. Garcia puts full leverage on all his power shots, but he loops them and telegraphs them with his feet (BTW Canelo does a good job of hiding his power shots - especially for a young fighter). Judah has both the speed and skill set to time Garcia and punch inside his wide looping punches. Judah also has better footwork than Garcia to extend the fight if necessary. Either fighter getting KO'd is a possibility, especially with Judah's track record and Garcia's wide open power punching, but I like the over. If Judah gets rocked early I'm banking on his superior footwork and ability to read Garcia's telegraphs to extend the fight. If Garcia gets rocked early I'm banking on his undefeated mentality (doesn't know how to lose) to keep him going. I put money on the over back when it was +175 and now its +165. I'm predicting it goes all the way down to +145. BTW Jerseyboy89 I congratulate on your recent wins and commend you on giving more in-depth analysis than in the past. I used to think you were obnoxious with your headlines, opinionated posts with little analysis, and picking every underdog. Let's keep the discussions civil and actually try to inform each other. The ish talking is unnecessary.
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Jerseyboy89 | 7 |
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This fight is impossible for me to bet on. I see everything but a Rigondeaux dec as possible (too inactive).
What my heart envisions is Rigondeaux getting rocked(weak chin) and Donaire getting overexcited and running into something ugly(too open). (Rigondeaux 7-12) +1020 My brain envisions "the most likely scenario" - Donaire fighting the smartest, safest fight of his life to win a dec in a snoozer. "Win today - Look good tommorrow" (Donaire by 12 rd dec) +209 |
LRM704 | 19 |
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