KempDunkLister

2 hour drive from Pittsburgh to Cleveland, what are we thinking 60% Steeler Nation tonight? 70%?

There is wide speculation that Browns owner Jimmy Haslam paid Hue Jackson to lose games back in 2016, 2017 when the Browns went 1-31.

Now the Browns are in a mess at QB after the worst trade in NFL history and they are jockeying with teams like the Giants and Raiders in a draft where there appears to be two elite QB prospects, Shedeur Sanders and Cam Ward.

It is literally the only way they can fix the QB position, as there is no one of note in free agency aside from Sam Darnold. A young franchise QB on a rookie contract is their only way considering the bloat of Watson's fully guaranteed contract. Browns coach Kevin Stefanski recently said he does not feel he is on the hot seat - sounds like he is definitely "trusting the process".

Oh and BTW the Steelers are +7.1 ppg margin and the Browns are -8.6 ppg.

GL with your bets.

The Cleveland Browns under current ownership paid Hue Jackson to lose/tank for a QB in the draft (no proof, sure buddy).

So now that they're picking in the top 3 and the only way to get out from the DeShaun Watson mess is to draft Shedeur Sanders or Cam Ward they're going to try to go out and beat the Steelers? With what? Turnover machine bust Jameis Winston? The #1 WR they traded away? Nick Chubb averaging 40 rushing yards at 3.1 per carry since he came back from injury?

I took Steelers money line, with points at a premium there are plenty of scenarios where Steelers win 19-17, 17-14, 13-10. I'm sure plenty of frustrated Browns fans sold their tickets to Steeler Nation, the Terrible Towels should be out in force.

No idea why this spread is only 3 to 3.5, I suppose division rival, short week, bad weather, possible let down for Steelers are beating Ravens, Browns demoralized at Saints might get a dead cat bounce, but from all the power rankings and guys like Massey and Sagarin this should be more like Steelers -6.5 to -7.5.

Steelers look good with Russ, Steelers +7.1 scoring margin per game, Browns -8.6, I feel like people are overthinking this and hoping for a duplicate of Browns upset of Ravens. Bottom line - Steelers are a good team jockeying for the first round bye, Browns are a dismal team that should be tanking for a QB. 

Needed the miracle FG block by the Chiefs but the other 3 went according to plan.

I just did all the 2 team Wong teaser combos for these teams, like the QB matchups:

Chiefs -7.5 to -1.5, Mahomes finally with a legit WR vs rookie Nix on road vs Spags D

Chargers -8 to -2, Quality Herbert vs trash Levis

Eagles -7.5 to -1.5, Hurts and the unstoppable push vs Cowboys backup

Cards +2 to +8, Least mobile Rodgers vs most mobile Murray

So you get the better QB in each matchup, 3 out of 4 are at home, you get the much better scoring D in the Chargers and Eagles games. KC playing with some revenge motivation as last game vs Den they lost 24-9. In the case of Cardinals I think wrong team is favored so getting +8 is pretty big, with Jets issues at kicker they should be happy to claw out a win.

@brn2loslive2win

 Because it was!

Also Andy Reid off a bye week +++.

Detroit +7.5

KC +8

Teams are a combined 9-1 with Detroit losing one game by 4 points.

Both teams could win outright.

For all of the 2023 season, KC had only 1 loss of more than 8 points.

For all of the 2023 season, Detroit had only 2 losses of more than 7 points.

Giants will get a TD + extra point with under 20 seconds to play for backdoor now.

That's my guess.

It was 4th and 15 at the ATL 20, David intercepted at the 35 and returned it to the 28. So he cost them 8 yards.

Barton holding penalty was a horrible decision. If you have to just whiff on your block, take a no gain or 1-2 yard loss on a run play. Do these guys just hold instinctively when they get beat with no regard for the situation? The Irving fumble was worse but the defense did bail them out.

Ultimately Bucs had 4th down at the ATL 42, why not kick a 59 yarder, McLaughlin had just kicked a 53 yarder like it was nothing with plenty to spare.

Instead they send out a sketchy punter, who kicks a touchback for a 22 yard net.

Tomlin doesn't use timeout for a 4th and 11? Or after that shotgun snap hit Fields in the face? His team obviously needed to regroup.

Steelers D needs a big play, TJ Watt strip sack would be nice, he hasn't done anything all game.

You've got Joe Flacco 3rd and long three times and can't get him off the field. No pass rush, don't deserve to win at that point.

Stack the box and force Richardson to complete high school throws.

I'd be more worried about Richardson getting injured or yanked and Flacco getting in there.

Richardson is like Bryce Young and Flacco is like Andy Dalton.

So refs bogus facemask call potentially takes a TD away from the NYG who settled for a FG.

So refs nevermind holding call on Dallas gives the Cowboys a TD instead of potentially settling for a FG.

Not sketchy at all.

Just put a decent bet on Steelers -1.5 at Indy.

Colts D is not good, giving up about 400 yards every game, just gave up 363 passing to the clueless Caleb Williams.

Steelers D has given up what, 10, 7 and 10, dominant.

Colts QB Anthony Richardson has looked clueless all year, completing under 50% passes, and missing high school throws.

Justin Fields has looked sharp and has played mistake free football.

The Terrible Towel travels, and it is a six hour drive. Against the Falcons in game one, Kirk Cousins had to be on a silent count at home due to Steelers fan noise, with Steelers 3-0 I'd expect more of the same.

Steelers actually have revenge from a 30-13 loss at Indy last year, but Steelers had won the previous 8 meetings.

27-10, 24-3, 17-13, 23-20, 19-17? Any of those will work.

Bet this in the first half, 7-0 at halftime of this suckfest.

30 points in 2nd half, who could have guessed?

Herbert Bosa and Slater all go out during the game, hard to cap around that.

Charger penalty drive extenders have been brutal as well.

Mine

Caleb Williams

Anthony Richardson

Sam Darnold (past history)

Daniel Jones

DeShaun Watson

Bo Nix

Malik Willis

Will Levis

Andy Dalton (mostly because of Panthers)

Skylar Thompson (mostly because I hate Skyler White)

Kirk Cousins (off a win and versus GOAT)

Trevor Lawrence (because he doesn't play to potential and looks like a LOTR elf)

Just don't want to do the "Why did I bet on a team with this F'ing guy at QB" thing after a loss.

I don't know how much they'll miss his 53 rushing yards and 2 receiving yards, but he was averaging 6.6 yards per carry with 5 first downs.