I bet with history, but recent history, not ancient history
Good to hear. Recent history (the moment the format expanded to 16 teams in 1996) has never had a champ make then next final. It's only ancient history that's seen that happen.
Good luck betting against Spain
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Quote Originally Posted by MWdePro:
I bet with history, but recent history, not ancient history
Good to hear. Recent history (the moment the format expanded to 16 teams in 1996) has never had a champ make then next final. It's only ancient history that's seen that happen.
not really sure why something that happened in the 60s or 70s would change the way you cap a game. BOL though, Spain is easily the better team, I would sure hate to be on France +.5 and sweating that one out. It is either Spain or no play. Good luck
History evidences the simple logic that as the comp has grown to include more teams, hence demand teams play more games in order to make the final, it's become harder for defending champs to do so. Surely that's not going over your head.
Oh, and Russia was easily a better team than than Greece. How'd that result turn out? I swear some people here must be soccer noobs. But then this tourney has produced an ungodly number of Fav results, against the norm for this type of format, so the unsuspecting think the Fav is to be prerennially respected. I guess they should just let Germany and Spain play the final in a few hours and tell all the other teams to go home, because clearly no 2 other teams are better than they are, of that there can be no argument.
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Quote Originally Posted by CoachE:
not really sure why something that happened in the 60s or 70s would change the way you cap a game. BOL though, Spain is easily the better team, I would sure hate to be on France +.5 and sweating that one out. It is either Spain or no play. Good luck
History evidences the simple logic that as the comp has grown to include more teams, hence demand teams play more games in order to make the final, it's become harder for defending champs to do so. Surely that's not going over your head.
Oh, and Russia was easily a better team than than Greece. How'd that result turn out? I swear some people here must be soccer noobs. But then this tourney has produced an ungodly number of Fav results, against the norm for this type of format, so the unsuspecting think the Fav is to be prerennially respected. I guess they should just let Germany and Spain play the final in a few hours and tell all the other teams to go home, because clearly no 2 other teams are better than they are, of that there can be no argument.
there are a few uncertainties on what team del bosque will field tonight.pedro could find a place in spain formation with torres again staying out.pedro,for me,has shown with barcelona he's a big match player.he's good at pressing the oposition and being direct.arbeloa was criticized for his performances and could be replaced by juanfran.del bosque is also considering a change in midfield,with one of the defensive midfielders(xabi alonso and busquets) being replaced by a creative midfielder.this could change completely the shape of the game and i think it would bring more fluidity to the spanish game.anyway,nothing sure for the moment as to which players del forrest will field tonight.
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there are a few uncertainties on what team del bosque will field tonight.pedro could find a place in spain formation with torres again staying out.pedro,for me,has shown with barcelona he's a big match player.he's good at pressing the oposition and being direct.arbeloa was criticized for his performances and could be replaced by juanfran.del bosque is also considering a change in midfield,with one of the defensive midfielders(xabi alonso and busquets) being replaced by a creative midfielder.this could change completely the shape of the game and i think it would bring more fluidity to the spanish game.anyway,nothing sure for the moment as to which players del forrest will field tonight.
Those writing off France, just remember this. Only 2 teams in the history of this comp have made the final following having won the previous tournament.
Germany won it in '72, made the final (lost) in '76 (interesting, Germany also won the WC played between these Euros).
Soviet Union won it in '60, made the final (lost) in '64.
Now, the kicker? The tournmanet was only expanded to 8 teams in size (still half less than what it is now) in 1980. So, the only 2 instances ever of a Euro champ repeating a finals appearance, came when all a team had to do was win 1 match (a default semi-final) to make the final. the feat was never achieved when only 8 teams were involved, now 16 are. All this means that the odds are severely against Spain even making the final, so they're likely either slip here or slip in their semi.
Bet with history, or bet against it?
history also tells us spain never beat france in competitive matches.france 5 wins and 1 draw
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Quote Originally Posted by BetCrimes1984:
Those writing off France, just remember this. Only 2 teams in the history of this comp have made the final following having won the previous tournament.
Germany won it in '72, made the final (lost) in '76 (interesting, Germany also won the WC played between these Euros).
Soviet Union won it in '60, made the final (lost) in '64.
Now, the kicker? The tournmanet was only expanded to 8 teams in size (still half less than what it is now) in 1980. So, the only 2 instances ever of a Euro champ repeating a finals appearance, came when all a team had to do was win 1 match (a default semi-final) to make the final. the feat was never achieved when only 8 teams were involved, now 16 are. All this means that the odds are severely against Spain even making the final, so they're likely either slip here or slip in their semi.
Bet with history, or bet against it?
history also tells us spain never beat france in competitive matches.france 5 wins and 1 draw
Why not Spain at this point? I don't like laying too much juice in soccer, but they just seem too good to bet against. I will lay -115 on the favorite here vs. a good France team, but I think they get it done.
I don't know much about soccer, and trust van on almost everything, as he has proven to be one of the best cappers on Covers for years...but nobody wins all the time... Spain-115 GLTA
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Why not Spain at this point? I don't like laying too much juice in soccer, but they just seem too good to bet against. I will lay -115 on the favorite here vs. a good France team, but I think they get it done.
I don't know much about soccer, and trust van on almost everything, as he has proven to be one of the best cappers on Covers for years...but nobody wins all the time... Spain-115 GLTA
So here is a semi-writeup for France - all that time will allow me.....
In France's 3 games so far - they have been forced in to a ball possession type of attack - one that is similar to what Spain likes to play. This is not necessarily by their own choice - but by what their opposition forced them in to.
Time and time again - we saw that France was not comfortable in this position. Against England - they struggled - kind of like a basketball team without a probing point guard - they were unable to break down England for many quality chances - though seemingly domintating possession and the stats. Against Ukraine - they looked their best of their 3 games - and in the second half specifically - not surprisingly it was their least % of possession in all 3 games. Against Sweden - they had most of the ball - but same story.
Some teams just dont play well when they have the bulk of possession and are faced with having to break down a double bank of 4 defenders. France has proven this is their weakness. Nasri just hasnt been able to do it from the quarterback position - I am hopeful that they play BOTH Cabaye and MVila today - they missed Cabaye greatly against Sweden. France is best when they absorb and attack in a more even game - with space to operate.
Well - here is the good news for France - they play a side today that is certainly going to have most of the possession - and will not change their style of play. We saw that Spain is vulverable at the back - Croatia threatened them several times and had some point blank opportunities. When those 6 midfielders push up, the wing backs often drift up with them, and you can counter in to 2 backs with numbers and speed - which France has.
This is a matchup play. Yes Spain has the talent advantage - they do over anyone in the world. But France is versatile - we have seen 3 games where they were forced in to a style that didnt suit them - and now they will be forced in to a style that I believe suits them best. Watch for Spain to have most of the ball - especially early - but France will be dangerous on the counter. I dont believe that France will be surprised with anything Spain throws at them - they know what they will see - and it will come down to being able to have the fitness to chase it for 90+ mins and being dicsiplined.
Sure - most who post here say "Spain is BETTER than France" - and that is true - they are. But I do think France is almost a perfect team to counter what Spain has to offer, and if the ball takes a few favorable bounces - could shock the tournament today.
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So here is a semi-writeup for France - all that time will allow me.....
In France's 3 games so far - they have been forced in to a ball possession type of attack - one that is similar to what Spain likes to play. This is not necessarily by their own choice - but by what their opposition forced them in to.
Time and time again - we saw that France was not comfortable in this position. Against England - they struggled - kind of like a basketball team without a probing point guard - they were unable to break down England for many quality chances - though seemingly domintating possession and the stats. Against Ukraine - they looked their best of their 3 games - and in the second half specifically - not surprisingly it was their least % of possession in all 3 games. Against Sweden - they had most of the ball - but same story.
Some teams just dont play well when they have the bulk of possession and are faced with having to break down a double bank of 4 defenders. France has proven this is their weakness. Nasri just hasnt been able to do it from the quarterback position - I am hopeful that they play BOTH Cabaye and MVila today - they missed Cabaye greatly against Sweden. France is best when they absorb and attack in a more even game - with space to operate.
Well - here is the good news for France - they play a side today that is certainly going to have most of the possession - and will not change their style of play. We saw that Spain is vulverable at the back - Croatia threatened them several times and had some point blank opportunities. When those 6 midfielders push up, the wing backs often drift up with them, and you can counter in to 2 backs with numbers and speed - which France has.
This is a matchup play. Yes Spain has the talent advantage - they do over anyone in the world. But France is versatile - we have seen 3 games where they were forced in to a style that didnt suit them - and now they will be forced in to a style that I believe suits them best. Watch for Spain to have most of the ball - especially early - but France will be dangerous on the counter. I dont believe that France will be surprised with anything Spain throws at them - they know what they will see - and it will come down to being able to have the fitness to chase it for 90+ mins and being dicsiplined.
Sure - most who post here say "Spain is BETTER than France" - and that is true - they are. But I do think France is almost a perfect team to counter what Spain has to offer, and if the ball takes a few favorable bounces - could shock the tournament today.
i agree with your write up completely Van. It was strange how seemingly useless they were against Sweden. They were moving in slow motion but they seemed to have the ball the whole time. I still don't understand why Sweden played so defensively but whatever. Ribery can't beat two defenders on the flank EVERY time. It wore him down. Both he and Benzema NEED space to be effective. They will get that space today as Spain has a whole lot more faith in their back line. I hope there is an early goal in this match as that is the only situation that will allow for an exciting 90 minutes of play. The Sweden match set up this play perfectly. Hopefully not too perfectly haha
BOL today Van
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i agree with your write up completely Van. It was strange how seemingly useless they were against Sweden. They were moving in slow motion but they seemed to have the ball the whole time. I still don't understand why Sweden played so defensively but whatever. Ribery can't beat two defenders on the flank EVERY time. It wore him down. Both he and Benzema NEED space to be effective. They will get that space today as Spain has a whole lot more faith in their back line. I hope there is an early goal in this match as that is the only situation that will allow for an exciting 90 minutes of play. The Sweden match set up this play perfectly. Hopefully not too perfectly haha
Can't believe a lot in here are saying France can't win, Spain has NEVER, I repeat NEVER beat Spain in the latter stages of a tourney. Off course this could happen given Spain's talent, but it just shows how Spain typically has trouble with Spain's style of play and counters. This combined with Spain's lesser form makes this a solid play I guess. I do think however it will be a draw as I foresee a tight 0-0 with the game going into OT. Also loving the under, doubting bout taking the juice or going for under 2, any tip on that Van?
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Agree with the write up and play van
Can't believe a lot in here are saying France can't win, Spain has NEVER, I repeat NEVER beat Spain in the latter stages of a tourney. Off course this could happen given Spain's talent, but it just shows how Spain typically has trouble with Spain's style of play and counters. This combined with Spain's lesser form makes this a solid play I guess. I do think however it will be a draw as I foresee a tight 0-0 with the game going into OT. Also loving the under, doubting bout taking the juice or going for under 2, any tip on that Van?
Can't believe a lot in here are saying France can't win, Spain has NEVER, I repeat NEVER beat Spain in the latter stages of a tourney. Off course this could happen given Spain's talent, but it just shows how Spain typically has trouble with Spain's style of play and counters. This combined with Spain's lesser form makes this a solid play I guess. I do think however it will be a draw as I foresee a tight 0-0 with the game going into OT. Also loving the under, doubting bout taking the juice or going for under 2, any tip on that Van?
what channel is the Spain vs Spain game on?
Van, appreciate all your input. Looking forward to your plays for England/Italy - Thanks for everything, BOL
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Quote Originally Posted by Mamba_24:
Agree with the write up and play van
Can't believe a lot in here are saying France can't win, Spain has NEVER, I repeat NEVER beat Spain in the latter stages of a tourney. Off course this could happen given Spain's talent, but it just shows how Spain typically has trouble with Spain's style of play and counters. This combined with Spain's lesser form makes this a solid play I guess. I do think however it will be a draw as I foresee a tight 0-0 with the game going into OT. Also loving the under, doubting bout taking the juice or going for under 2, any tip on that Van?
what channel is the Spain vs Spain game on?
Van, appreciate all your input. Looking forward to your plays for England/Italy - Thanks for everything, BOL
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GO PORTUGAL (their winning the whole thing)
France is going to advance today. 
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