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    danielmphan
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    Posted: Nov. 17, 2008 - 1:29 PM ET #101

    Sure thing....Give your money to the bookie.
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    Sure thing....Give your money to the bookie.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 17, 2008 - 1:33 PM ET #102

    My model predicts a 75% chance you are 16 or younger
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    My model predicts a 75% chance you are 16 or younger
     
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    Posted: Nov. 17, 2008 - 2:03 PM ET #103

    Seriously, prove me WRONG if you play all games in NFL and win in 3 weeks. Play all games is not a good system. I don't care how good you are. It's just not wise to do that.
     
    I don't care how many games you play...I can tell you that you are losing...when you play all games. I GUESS YOU ARE NOT GETTING THE POINT
     
    This thread says "Critique my Method (NFL)"...if that is the case, then accept the critique...
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    Seriously, prove me WRONG if you play all games in NFL and win in 3 weeks. Play all games is not a good system. I don't care how good you are. It's just not wise to do that.
     
    I don't care how many games you play...I can tell you that you are losing...when you play all games. I GUESS YOU ARE NOT GETTING THE POINT
     
    This thread says "Critique my Method (NFL)"...if that is the case, then accept the critique...
     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2008 - 3:16 PM ET #104

    danielmphan is a dummy. You can 1000 games a week and win. Take a look at my last 2 weeks of ATS and totals.

    17-10 ATS 

    16-10-1 totals

    Clearly I am not winning here.

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    danielmphan is a dummy. You can 1000 games a week and win. Take a look at my last 2 weeks of ATS and totals.

    17-10 ATS 

    16-10-1 totals

    Clearly I am not winning here.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2008 - 1:47 PM ET #105

    MORON, Don't FUK ask for critique
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    MORON, Don't FUK ask for critique
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2008 - 2:18 PM ET #106

    system = play all games that fit the parameters of the system

    capping = playing games where you think you have an edge

    this is a systems thread.
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    system = play all games that fit the parameters of the system

    capping = playing games where you think you have an edge

    this is a systems thread.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2008 - 11:29 AM ET #107

    System formula shows high confidence PIT win but by only 7 pts, so the play is:

    CIN +10.5

    I know alot of you guys follow the O/U, my formula wasn't designed with that as an objective, but it does calculate a probable total, in this case 37 pts, so it would be an OVER if you play that game.

    Be sure to check out the NBA and NHL threads, the NHL is an underdog system similar to my MLB, thus far we are doing extremely well.

    Have a great day!
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    System formula shows high confidence PIT win but by only 7 pts, so the play is:

    CIN +10.5

    I know alot of you guys follow the O/U, my formula wasn't designed with that as an objective, but it does calculate a probable total, in this case 37 pts, so it would be an OVER if you play that game.

    Be sure to check out the NBA and NHL threads, the NHL is an underdog system similar to my MLB, thus far we are doing extremely well.

    Have a great day!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2008 - 12:24 PM ET #108

    Week 12:

    HOU +3
    DET +8.5
    NYJ +5
    KC +3
    STL +8.5
    MIA
    MIN +2.5
    PHI +1
    OAK +9.5
    ATL -1
    AZ +3



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    Week 12:

    HOU +3
    DET +8.5
    NYJ +5
    KC +3
    STL +8.5
    MIA
    MIN +2.5
    PHI +1
    OAK +9.5
    ATL -1
    AZ +3



     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2008 - 12:40 PM ET #109

    I've noticed some discussion regarding the wisdom of a large number of events when wagering.  It has been alleged, but not proven, that by wagering a large number of times, one is 'giving away' money to the sportsbook. 

    This myth is a widespread one, viz., that you are guaranteed to lose in the long run.  I believe the fallacy is rooted in the inherent advantage of the house in most casino games.  If one accepts this fact as the only consideration, then it does not matter whether one wagers many times or few, because the conclusion (total bankroll loss) is inevitable, the question is only when.

    Of course, I believe the myth is also fed by the mistaken impression that you are betting against the bookie when you wager in sports.  Of course you are not betting against the bookie, but against your fellow bettor, for the bookie is only a broker.  The bookie wins 100% of the time, whether you win or not (excepting a push), just as a real estate agent, mortgage broker, or stock broker earns a commission on a sale, whether it is profitable for you or not.

    Thus, if you factor the transaction costs (the juice) into your approach to sports investing, then it does not matter whether you wager 1 time a day or 20, because your success is not dependent upon the juice, but rather the performance of your methodology.

    Put another way, on a -110 spread, your break even point is roughly 53%.  It is 53% whether you bet 1 time or 10 times.  If your strategy is profitable above 53%, then of course you would want to bet as many times as possible.

    Amateurs or gamblers, as opposed to professionals or investors, will claim that it is better to have a high average with a fewer number of events than a lower average with a higher number of events, but of course this is not true.  If you averaged 70% and made 10 plays a week, versus a professional who averaged 55% but made 20 plays a week, it is easy to see that the professional nets far more.  Using a unit of $100:

    Amateur net gain:  7 wins x $91=$637
    Pro net gain:  11 wins x $91=$1001

    I hope this example is illustrative.
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    I've noticed some discussion regarding the wisdom of a large number of events when wagering.  It has been alleged, but not proven, that by wagering a large number of times, one is 'giving away' money to the sportsbook. 

    This myth is a widespread one, viz., that you are guaranteed to lose in the long run.  I believe the fallacy is rooted in the inherent advantage of the house in most casino games.  If one accepts this fact as the only consideration, then it does not matter whether one wagers many times or few, because the conclusion (total bankroll loss) is inevitable, the question is only when.

    Of course, I believe the myth is also fed by the mistaken impression that you are betting against the bookie when you wager in sports.  Of course you are not betting against the bookie, but against your fellow bettor, for the bookie is only a broker.  The bookie wins 100% of the time, whether you win or not (excepting a push), just as a real estate agent, mortgage broker, or stock broker earns a commission on a sale, whether it is profitable for you or not.

    Thus, if you factor the transaction costs (the juice) into your approach to sports investing, then it does not matter whether you wager 1 time a day or 20, because your success is not dependent upon the juice, but rather the performance of your methodology.

    Put another way, on a -110 spread, your break even point is roughly 53%.  It is 53% whether you bet 1 time or 10 times.  If your strategy is profitable above 53%, then of course you would want to bet as many times as possible.

    Amateurs or gamblers, as opposed to professionals or investors, will claim that it is better to have a high average with a fewer number of events than a lower average with a higher number of events, but of course this is not true.  If you averaged 70% and made 10 plays a week, versus a professional who averaged 55% but made 20 plays a week, it is easy to see that the professional nets far more.  Using a unit of $100:

    Amateur net gain:  7 wins x $91=$637
    Pro net gain:  11 wins x $91=$1001

    I hope this example is illustrative.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2008 - 12:22 PM ET #110

    If you average 52.5% WINNERS, it doesn't matter how many games you play. Period.
     
    Here is my picks for this week.
    We are going 10-5 ATS this week.
     
    Buf -3     
    NYJ +6      
    Chi -8     
    Ne  -1      
    Jax -2.5    
    Bal -1      
    SF +10    
    Cle -3     
    TB  -8      
    Den -9     
    Nyg -3      
    Was -3.5    
    Atl -1      
    Ind +3     
    NO  -2.5    
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    If you average 52.5% WINNERS, it doesn't matter how many games you play. Period.
     
    Here is my picks for this week.
    We are going 10-5 ATS this week.
     
    Buf -3     
    NYJ +6      
    Chi -8     
    Ne  -1      
    Jax -2.5    
    Bal -1      
    SF +10    
    Cle -3     
    TB  -8      
    Den -9     
    Nyg -3      
    Was -3.5    
    Atl -1      
    Ind +3     
    NO  -2.5    
     
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    Posted: Nov. 24, 2008 - 7:51 AM ET #111

    As stated, we are going 10-5 this week. We are 9-5 and waiting on Drew Brees to tear Green Bay's secondary a new asshole. If you are smart, you will log onto your friendly bookie website and say Mr. bookie I would like to wager 3-5% of my bankroll on New Orleans. Bookmaker.com has New orleans as a 1 point favorite. They are going to win by 10+. Then log back here and say mr. go2guys, thanks for the pick.
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    As stated, we are going 10-5 this week. We are 9-5 and waiting on Drew Brees to tear Green Bay's secondary a new asshole. If you are smart, you will log onto your friendly bookie website and say Mr. bookie I would like to wager 3-5% of my bankroll on New Orleans. Bookmaker.com has New orleans as a 1 point favorite. They are going to win by 10+. Then log back here and say mr. go2guys, thanks for the pick.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 24, 2008 - 11:57 AM ET #112

    go2guys Why dont you start your own thread.....
    And if you are so sharp like you claim to be, why are you using the worste possible books on the internet that no serious handicapper would touch with a 10 ft. pole. 
     
    Sdiinc Your input and plays are appreciated
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    go2guys Why dont you start your own thread.....
    And if you are so sharp like you claim to be, why are you using the worste possible books on the internet that no serious handicapper would touch with a 10 ft. pole. 
     
    Sdiinc Your input and plays are appreciated
     
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    Posted: Nov. 24, 2008 - 1:30 PM ET #113

    Sdiinc gets love for going 5-6 ATS and you hate on my picks?

    As for the bookie sites... does it really matter how " bad " they are if they give me the most favorable lines. Define " bad " anyways. They always take my wager and always pay out. They don't send me a  card on my birthday but I will get over it. To date 63.34% NFL. Thats sharppppppp baby.

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    Sdiinc gets love for going 5-6 ATS and you hate on my picks?

    As for the bookie sites... does it really matter how " bad " they are if they give me the most favorable lines. Define " bad " anyways. They always take my wager and always pay out. They don't send me a  card on my birthday but I will get over it. To date 63.34% NFL. Thats sharppppppp baby.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 24, 2008 - 1:30 PM ET #114

    P.S - You playing the saints tonight?
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    P.S - You playing the saints tonight?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 24, 2008 - 7:10 PM ET #115

    sdiinc,  I'm inclined to agree with your larger # of bets belief.  Another reason is that betting a few games can wipe out your bankroll a lot faster if you hit a bad streak, whereas betting more games makes the chances of hitting a devastating bad streak almost nil.  Now if I had a big enough bankroll that could absorb the ups and downs I would have to rethink that, especially if I believed some plays have a higher percent of winning.  I think your theory makes an assumption that all plays are equal ... ie you may have an edge, but it is shared equally across all your picks.
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    sdiinc,  I'm inclined to agree with your larger # of bets belief.  Another reason is that betting a few games can wipe out your bankroll a lot faster if you hit a bad streak, whereas betting more games makes the chances of hitting a devastating bad streak almost nil.  Now if I had a big enough bankroll that could absorb the ups and downs I would have to rethink that, especially if I believed some plays have a higher percent of winning.  I think your theory makes an assumption that all plays are equal ... ie you may have an edge, but it is shared equally across all your picks.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 24, 2008 - 8:47 PM ET #116

    sdinc What are the hidden factors that tend to lessen standard deviation in betting ?
     
    Can you comment on two points that came from previous posts, as I forget my stats theory due to extreme middle age?
     
    1: Regarding your observations on the 53.5 % win factor for the pro bettor. If you make 1000 bets and get 535 wins in a row and then 465 losers, still 53.5% ( this is an exageration but it gets to my point) : what about losing streaks or wining streaks. My tendency is to look at standard deviation, but what are the factors that lessen deviation?  Would an effort to examining these factors sgnificantly shorten my losing streaks? I would love to have a week where I could be assured of extremely short losing streaks while not getting too concerned about not getting long winning streaks.
     
    2: A question about style.  I would like to know if you use a system to filter out games you do not like to play and then go into a handicapping technique to examine the remainder? The purpose of this style would be to quickly get as many qualified games as possible to play .
     
    The questions might sound a little basic but sometimes the basics have to be re-introduced into my old head.
    I would appreciate any comment from you.
    And a thank you to all posters who contribute.
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    sdinc What are the hidden factors that tend to lessen standard deviation in betting ?
     
    Can you comment on two points that came from previous posts, as I forget my stats theory due to extreme middle age?
     
    1: Regarding your observations on the 53.5 % win factor for the pro bettor. If you make 1000 bets and get 535 wins in a row and then 465 losers, still 53.5% ( this is an exageration but it gets to my point) : what about losing streaks or wining streaks. My tendency is to look at standard deviation, but what are the factors that lessen deviation?  Would an effort to examining these factors sgnificantly shorten my losing streaks? I would love to have a week where I could be assured of extremely short losing streaks while not getting too concerned about not getting long winning streaks.
     
    2: A question about style.  I would like to know if you use a system to filter out games you do not like to play and then go into a handicapping technique to examine the remainder? The purpose of this style would be to quickly get as many qualified games as possible to play .
     
    The questions might sound a little basic but sometimes the basics have to be re-introduced into my old head.
    I would appreciate any comment from you.
    And a thank you to all posters who contribute.
     
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    Sdiinc gets love for going 5-6 ATS and you hate on my picks?

    As for the bookie sites... does it really matter how " bad " they are if they give me the most favorable lines. Define " bad " anyways. They always take my wager and always pay out. They don't send me a  card on my birthday but I will get over it. To date 63.34% NFL. Thats sharppppppp baby.



    I haven't been following the picks but 63% ATS in NFL would be very good indeed-better than my record-setting year in '07.  I suspect this is only over the course of a few weeks, because I follow the best stats guys in sports and no one I know is above 55% YTD for NFL.

    Of course, this thread is about critiquing my method, or even, critiquing the method of other contributors, such as go2guys.  Touting picks without much explanation doesn't offer much opportunity for constructive criticism.  I have nothing against selling picks-I'm all for it, in fact-but I sure wouldn't spend money without a 3rd party verified track record.

    I don't follow the banter, so my apologies if I've missed said explanation in a previous post.

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    Sdiinc gets love for going 5-6 ATS and you hate on my picks?

    As for the bookie sites... does it really matter how " bad " they are if they give me the most favorable lines. Define " bad " anyways. They always take my wager and always pay out. They don't send me a  card on my birthday but I will get over it. To date 63.34% NFL. Thats sharppppppp baby.



    I haven't been following the picks but 63% ATS in NFL would be very good indeed-better than my record-setting year in '07.  I suspect this is only over the course of a few weeks, because I follow the best stats guys in sports and no one I know is above 55% YTD for NFL.

    Of course, this thread is about critiquing my method, or even, critiquing the method of other contributors, such as go2guys.  Touting picks without much explanation doesn't offer much opportunity for constructive criticism.  I have nothing against selling picks-I'm all for it, in fact-but I sure wouldn't spend money without a 3rd party verified track record.

    I don't follow the banter, so my apologies if I've missed said explanation in a previous post.

     
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    sdiinc,  I'm inclined to agree with your larger # of bets belief.  Another reason is that betting a few games can wipe out your bankroll a lot faster if you hit a bad streak, whereas betting more games makes the chances of hitting a devastating bad streak almost nil.  Now if I had a big enough bankroll that could absorb the ups and downs I would have to rethink that, especially if I believed some plays have a higher percent of winning.  I think your theory makes an assumption that all plays are equal ... ie you may have an edge, but it is shared equally across all your picks.


    I know guys playing with only $500 bankroll, at 2% that's $10 a wager, I think the smallest most will allow.  Proper bankroll management requires that you use a small enough unit to weather the inevitable streaks. 

    My 'theory' doesn't make 'assumptions'.  Not every game has the same confidence, of course.  Last year I was able to much more easily identify the high confidence games.  This year has proven to be much more difficult.  I suspect it is because the actual result of the games has been so different from the expected result. That's called 'standard deviation' and I'll address it more in the next post.
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    sdiinc,  I'm inclined to agree with your larger # of bets belief.  Another reason is that betting a few games can wipe out your bankroll a lot faster if you hit a bad streak, whereas betting more games makes the chances of hitting a devastating bad streak almost nil.  Now if I had a big enough bankroll that could absorb the ups and downs I would have to rethink that, especially if I believed some plays have a higher percent of winning.  I think your theory makes an assumption that all plays are equal ... ie you may have an edge, but it is shared equally across all your picks.


    I know guys playing with only $500 bankroll, at 2% that's $10 a wager, I think the smallest most will allow.  Proper bankroll management requires that you use a small enough unit to weather the inevitable streaks. 

    My 'theory' doesn't make 'assumptions'.  Not every game has the same confidence, of course.  Last year I was able to much more easily identify the high confidence games.  This year has proven to be much more difficult.  I suspect it is because the actual result of the games has been so different from the expected result. That's called 'standard deviation' and I'll address it more in the next post.
     
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    sdinc What are the hidden factors that tend to lessen standard deviation in betting ?
     
    Can you comment on two points that came from previous posts, as I forget my stats theory due to extreme middle age?
     
    1: Regarding your observations on the 53.5 % win factor for the pro bettor. If you make 1000 bets and get 535 wins in a row and then 465 losers, still 53.5% ( this is an exageration but it gets to my point) : what about losing streaks or wining streaks. My tendency is to look at standard deviation, but what are the factors that lessen deviation?  Would an effort to examining these factors sgnificantly shorten my losing streaks? I would love to have a week where I could be assured of extremely short losing streaks while not getting too concerned about not getting long winning streaks.
     
    2: A question about style.  I would like to know if you use a system to filter out games you do not like to play and then go into a handicapping technique to examine the remainder? The purpose of this style would be to quickly get as many qualified games as possible to play .
     
    The questions might sound a little basic but sometimes the basics have to be re-introduced into my old head.
    I would appreciate any comment from you.
    And a thank you to all posters who contribute.


    Dabar,

    I'm not aware of any hidden factors.  Of course, the higher your accuracy rate, the lower the SD (over the long run).  Put another way, the more accurate you are, the fewer incidence of variation there are, thus your total deviation is reduced.  Simple, right?

    As for ques #1, I'm not sure I have an answer.  Because I invest in multiple sports at a time (presently NFL, NBA and NHL), I consider myself as having alot of diversification.  As a result I don't experience the streaks you mentioned, although they remain a theoretical possibility. 

    During MLB my longest win streak was 5, my longest losing streak was 7.  At only 50%, the odds of the latter are only 8/10 of 1 percent.  And yet it does happen.  My only protection against this is using a small unit size (I started at 2% and I'm working my way down to 1% due to total bankroll growth).  I started out with only 1 play per day, but will attempt to make 2-3 next year and watch to see if accuracy suffers.

    As to question #2, I'm not really a handicapper, more of an investor with contrarian approach.  I don't have the expertise or insight into the different sports to look at things that traditional handicappers follow.  What I do is look at the statistical factors I believe are central to team performance, then develop methods of comparing the sum of those factors for the two teams involved.  The result should be a prediction.  Then I compare that prediction against the line, and finally, I have accounts at multiple books, which sometimes can prove the difference.

    Most people think it is them against the bookie, but of course this is wrong.  Sometimes the line is influenced by the public betting and so there can be a larger than expected spread between the published line and reality.  I try to capitalize on this whenever possible, but this is a much bigger trend for me in MLB and NHL because those are ML payoffs (which I love).

    If you had a 'filter' with a long-term, quantifiable history of prediction, I would be interested.  However, I've been working on this for a few years now and the only credible guys I know are doing stats-related stuff, the rest are handicappers with 'secrets' and alot of ego.

    One of my favorites is Brian Burke, he doesn't do ATS predictions but he has a great blog on NFL stats, you can google 'advanced nfl stats'.

     
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    sdinc What are the hidden factors that tend to lessen standard deviation in betting ?
     
    Can you comment on two points that came from previous posts, as I forget my stats theory due to extreme middle age?
     
    1: Regarding your observations on the 53.5 % win factor for the pro bettor. If you make 1000 bets and get 535 wins in a row and then 465 losers, still 53.5% ( this is an exageration but it gets to my point) : what about losing streaks or wining streaks. My tendency is to look at standard deviation, but what are the factors that lessen deviation?  Would an effort to examining these factors sgnificantly shorten my losing streaks? I would love to have a week where I could be assured of extremely short losing streaks while not getting too concerned about not getting long winning streaks.
     
    2: A question about style.  I would like to know if you use a system to filter out games you do not like to play and then go into a handicapping technique to examine the remainder? The purpose of this style would be to quickly get as many qualified games as possible to play .
     
    The questions might sound a little basic but sometimes the basics have to be re-introduced into my old head.
    I would appreciate any comment from you.
    And a thank you to all posters who contribute.


    Dabar,

    I'm not aware of any hidden factors.  Of course, the higher your accuracy rate, the lower the SD (over the long run).  Put another way, the more accurate you are, the fewer incidence of variation there are, thus your total deviation is reduced.  Simple, right?

    As for ques #1, I'm not sure I have an answer.  Because I invest in multiple sports at a time (presently NFL, NBA and NHL), I consider myself as having alot of diversification.  As a result I don't experience the streaks you mentioned, although they remain a theoretical possibility. 

    During MLB my longest win streak was 5, my longest losing streak was 7.  At only 50%, the odds of the latter are only 8/10 of 1 percent.  And yet it does happen.  My only protection against this is using a small unit size (I started at 2% and I'm working my way down to 1% due to total bankroll growth).  I started out with only 1 play per day, but will attempt to make 2-3 next year and watch to see if accuracy suffers.

    As to question #2, I'm not really a handicapper, more of an investor with contrarian approach.  I don't have the expertise or insight into the different sports to look at things that traditional handicappers follow.  What I do is look at the statistical factors I believe are central to team performance, then develop methods of comparing the sum of those factors for the two teams involved.  The result should be a prediction.  Then I compare that prediction against the line, and finally, I have accounts at multiple books, which sometimes can prove the difference.

    Most people think it is them against the bookie, but of course this is wrong.  Sometimes the line is influenced by the public betting and so there can be a larger than expected spread between the published line and reality.  I try to capitalize on this whenever possible, but this is a much bigger trend for me in MLB and NHL because those are ML payoffs (which I love).

    If you had a 'filter' with a long-term, quantifiable history of prediction, I would be interested.  However, I've been working on this for a few years now and the only credible guys I know are doing stats-related stuff, the rest are handicappers with 'secrets' and alot of ego.

    One of my favorites is Brian Burke, he doesn't do ATS predictions but he has a great blog on NFL stats, you can google 'advanced nfl stats'.

     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2008 - 11:46 PM ET #120

    Quote Originally Posted by sdiinc:



    My 'theory' doesn't make 'assumptions'.  Not every game has the same confidence, of course.  Last year I was able to much more easily identify the high confidence games.  This year has proven to be much more difficult.  I suspect it is because the actual result of the games has been so different from the expected result. That's called 'standard deviation' and I'll address it more in the next post.

    Wow, My "question" about "assumptions" seems to have ruffled some feathers. LOL  Do you not consider your "Method", "System" or whatever you want to call it a theory?  Here is the definition.

    Broadly speaking we can say that a theory is some kind of belief or claim that (supposedly) explains, asserts, or consolidates some class of claims.

    I haven't followed your previous threads and I read though this one and didn't see anything about "confidence" assigned to games, so I "assumed" it didn't.  Sorry I made that "assumpion."  LOL

    The only reason I posted is because I am curious on the same issue as to # of games bet.  I "assume" this is a question that will go on forever.  I have my opinions but will keep them to myself.

    BOL

     

     

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    My 'theory' doesn't make 'assumptions'.  Not every game has the same confidence, of course.  Last year I was able to much more easily identify the high confidence games.  This year has proven to be much more difficult.  I suspect it is because the actual result of the games has been so different from the expected result. That's called 'standard deviation' and I'll address it more in the next post.

    Wow, My "question" about "assumptions" seems to have ruffled some feathers. LOL  Do you not consider your "Method", "System" or whatever you want to call it a theory?  Here is the definition.

    Broadly speaking we can say that a theory is some kind of belief or claim that (supposedly) explains, asserts, or consolidates some class of claims.

    I haven't followed your previous threads and I read though this one and didn't see anything about "confidence" assigned to games, so I "assumed" it didn't.  Sorry I made that "assumpion."  LOL

    The only reason I posted is because I am curious on the same issue as to # of games bet.  I "assume" this is a question that will go on forever.  I have my opinions but will keep them to myself.

    BOL

     

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2008 - 1:04 AM ET #121

    Regarding filters and # of games played.
     
    I used the information from the first post in this thread (biggest dog in the NFL from each week) and for the first 12 weeks of 2008
    the results are 10 wins 2 losses. I figure  the public massively overbets the favorite and creates an opportunity on the dog. That's as good a filter as any I can divine on my own.
     
    The results are for 2007  11 wins 10 loses
     
                               2006  13 wins 8 loses
     
    If it works for the NFL it might work on the NCAAF. 
     
    Its  7/7 for  2007 and 2008 ( I'm not including pushes)
    That 50% looked bad until I added all dogs +28 or greater, to try to get more games into play. I had to lower it to +14 in some of the weeks of the second half of the schedule to get more games. (+28, and +14 were chosen after reading about median points in standard deviation: of course they represent 2 or 4 touchdowns) and got better results.
     
    2007 19 wins and 17 losses   52.78%
    2008 27 wins and 18 losses so far or  60 %
     
    With this system I would have played about 57 games since the start of NCAA and pro football, about 85 days, or 2 games bet every 3 days. The number would have been lower in reality since I would have done the same things you mentioned, ie. find favourable lines, etc.. and remove some games from consideration.
     But if all were played then its 37 wins and 20 losses or 64.91 %.
    Looks good enough to try.
     
    Today I put down on
     
    Seatle Seahawks +12.5
    Notre Dame         +32
    Wash. State        +28.5
     
    Good luck to everyone and to those traveling tomorow for Thanksgiving down South
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    Regarding filters and # of games played.
     
    I used the information from the first post in this thread (biggest dog in the NFL from each week) and for the first 12 weeks of 2008
    the results are 10 wins 2 losses. I figure  the public massively overbets the favorite and creates an opportunity on the dog. That's as good a filter as any I can divine on my own.
     
    The results are for 2007  11 wins 10 loses
     
                               2006  13 wins 8 loses
     
    If it works for the NFL it might work on the NCAAF. 
     
    Its  7/7 for  2007 and 2008 ( I'm not including pushes)
    That 50% looked bad until I added all dogs +28 or greater, to try to get more games into play. I had to lower it to +14 in some of the weeks of the second half of the schedule to get more games. (+28, and +14 were chosen after reading about median points in standard deviation: of course they represent 2 or 4 touchdowns) and got better results.
     
    2007 19 wins and 17 losses   52.78%
    2008 27 wins and 18 losses so far or  60 %
     
    With this system I would have played about 57 games since the start of NCAA and pro football, about 85 days, or 2 games bet every 3 days. The number would have been lower in reality since I would have done the same things you mentioned, ie. find favourable lines, etc.. and remove some games from consideration.
     But if all were played then its 37 wins and 20 losses or 64.91 %.
    Looks good enough to try.
     
    Today I put down on
     
    Seatle Seahawks +12.5
    Notre Dame         +32
    Wash. State        +28.5
     
    Good luck to everyone and to those traveling tomorow for Thanksgiving down South
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenyonlv:

    Wow, My "question" about "assumptions" seems to have ruffled some feathers. LOL  Do you not consider your "Method", "System" or whatever you want to call it a theory?  Here is the definition.

    Broadly speaking we can say that a theory is some kind of belief or claim that (supposedly) explains, asserts, or consolidates some class of claims.

    I haven't followed your previous threads and I read though this one and didn't see anything about "confidence" assigned to games, so I "assumed" it didn't.  Sorry I made that "assumpion."  LOL

    The only reason I posted is because I am curious on the same issue as to # of games bet.  I "assume" this is a question that will go on forever.  I have my opinions but will keep them to myself.

    BOL

     

     



    No ruffled feathers here, your question was just imprecisely worded.  Assumptions are different from mathematical formulas which depend upon data which is empirical rather than theoretical.  Your 'assumption' was that in my previous comments about the measurable advantage of a larger number of events that I considered all events as equally probable.  That is incorrect.  I merely demonstrated how a larger number of events, even with a lower accuracy, results in a larger net profit, as part of disproving the fallacy of guaranteed profits through smaller number of events.

    No problem on the assumptions-I just don't post all the output of the calculation.  Feel free to inquire about anything else-that's why it's called "Critique My Method".


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    Wow, My "question" about "assumptions" seems to have ruffled some feathers. LOL  Do you not consider your "Method", "System" or whatever you want to call it a theory?  Here is the definition.

    Broadly speaking we can say that a theory is some kind of belief or claim that (supposedly) explains, asserts, or consolidates some class of claims.

    I haven't followed your previous threads and I read though this one and didn't see anything about "confidence" assigned to games, so I "assumed" it didn't.  Sorry I made that "assumpion."  LOL

    The only reason I posted is because I am curious on the same issue as to # of games bet.  I "assume" this is a question that will go on forever.  I have my opinions but will keep them to myself.

    BOL

     

     



    No ruffled feathers here, your question was just imprecisely worded.  Assumptions are different from mathematical formulas which depend upon data which is empirical rather than theoretical.  Your 'assumption' was that in my previous comments about the measurable advantage of a larger number of events that I considered all events as equally probable.  That is incorrect.  I merely demonstrated how a larger number of events, even with a lower accuracy, results in a larger net profit, as part of disproving the fallacy of guaranteed profits through smaller number of events.

    No problem on the assumptions-I just don't post all the output of the calculation.  Feel free to inquire about anything else-that's why it's called "Critique My Method".


     
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    Dabar, I have found the NCAAF very difficult to predict using statistical methods.  I suspect it is more of a handicappers game. 

    One of the things about football in general is the lower number of games creates a higher standard deviation, because there is no opportunity in the course of a season for 'luck' to be balanced out by a larger number of events.  I think NCAAF is even more the case here. 

    If you check thepredictiontracker.com, Todd Beck tracks all of the top handicappers (those willing to publish picks anyway), you'll see no one is above 53% ATS and many are below 50%.  That doesn't do much for my confidence level in college.  I hear from lots of guys bragging about 60 or 70% ATS, but they inevitably stop sending me reports after a few weeks.

    Anyway, best of luck and keep us posted.
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    Dabar, I have found the NCAAF very difficult to predict using statistical methods.  I suspect it is more of a handicappers game. 

    One of the things about football in general is the lower number of games creates a higher standard deviation, because there is no opportunity in the course of a season for 'luck' to be balanced out by a larger number of events.  I think NCAAF is even more the case here. 

    If you check thepredictiontracker.com, Todd Beck tracks all of the top handicappers (those willing to publish picks anyway), you'll see no one is above 53% ATS and many are below 50%.  That doesn't do much for my confidence level in college.  I hear from lots of guys bragging about 60 or 70% ATS, but they inevitably stop sending me reports after a few weeks.

    Anyway, best of luck and keep us posted.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdiinc:



    No ruffled feathers here, your question was just imprecisely worded.  Assumptions are different from mathematical formulas which depend upon data which is empirical rather than theoretical.  Your 'assumption' was that in my previous comments about the measurable advantage of a larger number of events that I considered all events as equally probable.  That is incorrect.  I merely demonstrated how a larger number of events, even with a lower accuracy, results in a larger net profit, as part of disproving the fallacy of guaranteed profits through smaller number of events.

    Thanks for the straight answer (the part in bold)

     

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    No ruffled feathers here, your question was just imprecisely worded.  Assumptions are different from mathematical formulas which depend upon data which is empirical rather than theoretical.  Your 'assumption' was that in my previous comments about the measurable advantage of a larger number of events that I considered all events as equally probable.  That is incorrect.  I merely demonstrated how a larger number of events, even with a lower accuracy, results in a larger net profit, as part of disproving the fallacy of guaranteed profits through smaller number of events.

    Thanks for the straight answer (the part in bold)

     

     
     
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