Saturday Manipulated Games System

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3-1 YTD &#x2B;220Yesterday&#x27;s Results:Mets &#x2B;111 (-9%) closed at &#x2B;103 (-13%) - Move -4% = PLAYJays &#x2B;174 (-10%) closed at &#x2B;142 (-20%) - Move -10% = NO PLAYTwins &#x2B;102 (-7%) closed at -107 (-11%) - Move -3% = PLAYA&#x27;s &#x2B;115 (-16%) closed at &#x2B;118 (-15%) - Move &#x2B;1% = NO PLAYSince people are having issues with game time decisions and aren&#x27;t quite as experienced with lines yet, I will increase the closing line to add in the fact that the line may be volatile by a few dollars at game time so we don&#x27;t have to worry about any small jumps.   Over time you&#x27;ll start to get a better feel for when to lock in games.  The main thing we don&#x27;t want to do is lock in too early and have a huge move go the other way.  This isn&#x27;t handicapping.  It&#x27;s reading lines.  This system is mainly for active participants who enjoy lines and want to be involved in the process along with making some money.  It&#x27;s fully understood that some of you haters out there have a tough time winning on your own, but please don&#x27;t come in here looking for flaws and negative things to say just because you&#x27;re mad because you can&#x27;t win.  This system has done a lot of good things for several people.  Nothing needs to be "proven".  For those who care that much, you can back track the system with previous day&#x27;s lines.  If you are too lazy to do that, then keep your mouth shut.  If you just expect picks, than this may not be the place for you.  There may be forum members who are actively participating and will announce whether a game fits, but don&#x27;t expect it.Feel free to ask any questions.  Notable Lines:Reds -120 (-12%) ideal line of -125 to -128 for safe lock in, but as low as -121 is fine.Jays &#x2B;132 (-16%) ideal line of &#x2B;127 to &#x2B;124 for safe lock in, but as low as &#x2B;131 is fine.

ProudJagsfan · Answer

3-1 YTD &#x2B;220Yesterday&#x27;s Results:Mets &#x2B;111 (-9%) closed at &#x2B;103 (-13%) - Move -4% = PLAYJays &#x2B;174 (-10%) closed at &#x2B;142 (-20%) - Move -10% = NO PLAYTwins &#x2B;102 (-7%) closed at -107 (-11%) - Move -3% = PLAYA&#x27;s &#x2B;115 (-16%) closed at &#x2B;118 (-15%) - Move &#x2B;1% = NO PLAYSince people are having issues with game time decisions and aren&#x27;t quite as experienced with lines yet, I will increase the closing line to add in the fact that the line may be volatile by a few dollars at game time so we don&#x27;t have to worry about any small jumps.   Over time you&#x27;ll start to get a better feel for when to lock in games.  The main thing we don&#x27;t want to do is lock in too early and have a huge move go the other way.  This isn&#x27;t handicapping.  It&#x27;s reading lines.  This system is mainly for active participants who enjoy lines and want to be involved in the process along with making some money.  It&#x27;s fully understood that some of you haters out there have a tough time winning on your own, but please don&#x27;t come in here looking for flaws and negative things to say just because you&#x27;re mad because you can&#x27;t win.  This system has done a lot of good things for several people.  Nothing needs to be "proven".  For those who care that much, you can back track the system with previous day&#x27;s lines.  If you are too lazy to do that, then keep your mouth shut.  If you just expect picks, than this may not be the place for you.  There may be forum members who are actively participating and will announce whether a game fits, but don&#x27;t expect it.Feel free to ask any questions.  Notable Lines:Reds -120 (-12%) ideal line of -125 to -128 for safe lock in, but as low as -121 is fine.Jays &#x2B;132 (-16%) ideal line of &#x2B;127 to &#x2B;124 for safe lock in, but as low as &#x2B;131 is fine.

ProudJagsfan · Answer

To be clear. Saturday:Notable Lines:Reds -120 (-12%) ideal line of -125 to -128 for safe lock in, but as low as -121 is fine.Jays &#x2B;132 (-16%) ideal line of &#x2B;127 to &#x2B;124 for safe lock in, but as high as &#x2B;131 is fine.

ProudJagsfan · Answer

So Reds cannot close lower than -121. Jays cannot close higher than &#x2B;131.

ProudJagsfan · Answer

The sportsbookreview.com free mlb odds page lists the pinnacle number

KaballahMulah · Answer

Thanks man!I created an account just to say thanks to you and 1515 because I would win every other day but get stuck on a few options and I would see your posts and it helped choices I was stuck on a fence with. Thanks man!

The_Extremist · Answer

Curious, why are you using Pinnacle as your guide for the opening line? Shouldnt the opening line be what Vegas puts out to everyone first as the opener? Then that was you can compare 10-15 different books to the opener? wouldn't that give you a more accurate #? what makes pinnacle the standard over the 1000 other books in the world including vegas books like William Hill. The reason why I ask is that for example the Twins game yesterday (friday) the opener was -105 but pinnacle had it at +102. That's a big discrepancy.

undermysac · Answer

Betonline opens before ANYONE

Targa1 · Answer

Waste of my time typing this as much as it&#x27;s a waste of your time typing that. It&#x27;s always going to be thought "Vegas" sets the lines on covers. Just trust me and let it go. It will drive ya crazy trying to get most the others to see it your way.

livebet2000 · Answer

How/where can we find the teams win probability?

ProudJagsfan · Answer

Here&#x27;s the link to the mlb odds >Pinnacle is the first one

Rolexsports · Answer

Pinnacle is not the standard of course, that&#x27;s what 1515 reccomends so we&#x27;re all on the same page .

ProudJagsfan · Answer

The idea is to follow sharp action. And Pinnacle is the book that we want to go with

ProudJagsfan · Answer

The system follows not just sharps, but at the same time is being on the right side those "bait" plays, whereby bookmakers try to devour public money.

KeyElement · Answer

You, sir, are correct. BetOnline opens first. Pinnacle gets a look at their initial action before opening their lines. What some folks also fail to mention is that you can set the "opening line" at the SBR page to list opening lines at BetOnline. Then their should be no controversy over the opening line.It is also notable that by using Pinnacle, you eliminate U.S. bettors from the equation. The low margins are appealing, but what good does a Pinnacle line do you if you can not play it?The "escape clause" is rather sweet, since the Jays did drop to &#x2B;140 and the A&#x27;s as low as &#x2B;113, both at Pinnacle. But no responsibility lies with the system because they didn&#x27;t close that low and you should have foreseen that.What this system actually accomplishes is nothing more than "fade the public, follow the money" and that causes the bettor to accept the lowest possible EV on the wager.I would suggest anyone using or following the system keep his own record of "did the line get to the desired point" and did it win?" That would make yesterday&#x27;s results 2-2. You can&#x27;t bet the closing line, that is just an escape clause for the system. There are better formulas if you want to fade the public and follow the money. Otherwise you can wait until one minute before the first pitch and make your wager, hoping someone else is not betting the opposite side at big money at the same time, which might buy the system an escape clause, but that wouldn&#x27;t do your bet any good would it? BOL  One last question. What makes 538 the probability champion?

ProudJagsfan · Answer

For somebody who has consistently said wrong things about the system, you&#x27;re sure one to talk about what it can accomplish, key. In July, only 7/40 games were game-time decisions. This system is not just about following big money, that&#x27;s something you can&#x27;t comprehend because I&#x27;ve already stated a bunch of times how it accomplished more. Considering your current roi, I highly doubt you know of any more successful formulas.

ProudJagsfan · Answer

It accomplishes more in that it sides with the books and sharp money.

Also, he made the parameters more strict in order to eliminate the game-time decisions. So key, what's a troll's escape clause?

This is the message from my friend:

Who cares who opens first. That's totally irrelevant unless you're some kind of degenerate gambler that just "has" to place your bets asap. Pinnacles a market setting book. Tell him to go google that definition and you'll understand why pinnacle is still widely considered even though you may not be able to still bet at pinnacle.

It's not just a fade the public system. He clearly doesn't understand that 70% of the entire concept are the "notable lines". Plays cannot come from anything but those lines. Tell him to read or shut up. There's a reason why he's not even a 50% handicapper. I can hit 50% with my eyes closed.

ProudJagsfan · Answer

Your criticism of Pinnacle is also nonsense, key.

DaysOfDiddy · Answer

Jags, can you talk me through the Reds line? So right now they are -130 and 48% chance... -139 &#xD7;48= -5664 and 52&#xD7;100= 5200. -464/100= -4.64... 1) Am I doing that correctly 2)Would that be a no play for now, unless that ROI changes?? Sorry, I&#x27;m completely new to this and interested...

barneybeans · Answer

Once it hits the threshold Key it&#x27;s a play. The Greek, BET365 and a few others went well below the threshold @ 8:00PM and it was posted by Lucky Dan in yesterday&#x27;s thread. TOR was totally a play that Jags is removing.Notice how the notable lines text format has changed today.

ProudJagsfan · Answer

A play is a play when it drops 10-15 dollars below highest allowable closing number or when it closes at or below highest allowable closing number. So Mets were a play but not Jays. Also, we go by Pinnacle.

But he is eliminating game-time decisions

Yes Barney, today I copied the text from my iphone. Yesterday I did it from my laptop. Thanks for pointing that out?

As for Reds:

"It's 130 times your losses. They're the favorite. So 130 times 52. +4800. They should be huge negative roi"

As of now Reds are a play. 125-128 ideally. Reds are above that. So currently a play.

barneybeans · Answer

you sure are.JAGS can you tell us exactly why TOR was not a play @ 8:05PM when the threshold was hit? And Why MIN was a play 3 hours before game time? Please try to be as vague as possible. Thanks in advance.

Rolexsports · Answer

Reds is a play . Opened @ - 111 . Was locking in on one of my sites @ - 126 , during submission the line went to - 131. All locked for 5 units . This is how the criteria is met on these particular games .

ProudJagsfan · Answer

Ok i&#x27;ll answer, but only if you twist, ignore or otherwise falsely portray what I say, promise?

ProudJagsfan · Answer

Toronto did not close at or below posted highest allowable number (see, to not be vague, i&#x27;ll remind you that that number is posted in the first post of the thread! does that help you?) like the Mets did. The Twins dropped in the safety range (safe from being bet in the other direction past the threshhold) which is 10-15 dollars below (this is the rule of thumb) highest allowable closing number. So Twins and Mets were plays.But now, don&#x27;t worry, you won&#x27;t have reason to cause chaos, my guy made the parameters much stricter to eliminate game-time decisions, which will actually increase chance of success

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