Is there any value on betting Clottley (vs Cotto)?

Thanks for the honest pick!  These days I wouldn't lay the chalk on many fighters Floyd and pac-man are two men I know that will always show up and never take a dive!

Not many fighters out there who are "Chalk-able fighters" :)

I can see why many would take Cotto by decision, chalk is high, MSG and a home crowd for Cotto, he is the more known fighter, and Clottey does tend to give away rounds by playing defense. We know every close round will be given to Cotto.

I just wanted to see if anyone would lay the wood on Cotto to win at -350 or higher.

I would still go with Clottey, Cotto at -350 gives Clottey less than a 25% chance at winning and I feel that is FAR from the TRUTH.

Plus what bothers me is the line is so high, he will be at the Puerto Rican Day Parade, does he think he will be in a day at the park?  Does he know something we don't?

If any of Clottey's past fights are a road map to what this fight will be, I cannot see a guy attending a P.R Day Parade after being in a fight like that!

MY dad loves boxing, he's also cynical he says the scorecards are already made up it's why the line is so high and Cotto took this fight, and that Clottey is from Ghana and he could easily take a dive.

I on the other hand, feel the opposite, I just feel Cotto picked the wrong opponent style wise for him, why the line is so high I don't know. Every one here agrees the line is too high, and no one can explain why.. I feel Clottey would be the last to lay down after coming this far and having the stage to himself.. no way will he lay down.

Question still burns in me, what is driving this price so high, I believe everyone in this forum is VERY knowledgeable and knows more than the average Joe... yet we all agree .. why such a high chalk line?

You're failing to note the immense pressure that Margarito was putting on Cotto throughout 11 rounds, probably with plaster in his gloves. Clottey won't be doing that, he'll give Miguel a good fight for 6 rounds then shell up and fade late like he always does.

Well it's not 50/50 by the vegas. If you take the Money line (the line you need to lay) they give Cotto Over a 75 % of winning, leaving Clottey a mere 25 % chance.

You cannot say Cotto looked good against Gomez, he a nobody from the "Contender", and Yes Cotto  did BOX well (in the Maragrito fight) which surprised me, but he is NOT a technical Boxer. The reason he didn't land any meaningful punches against Margarito is because you cannot land hard punches retreating.. that's what he did for 8 rounds once he ran out of gas he was done!

Also count how many body punches he landed against Margarito very few for a guy who is called one of the best body punchers in the world.

Why aim at a guys CHIN if you know it's made of steel!  Yes Cotto had a plan, hit and run, like Oscar did but Oscar was a fundamentally sound BOXER.  It's why he was gassed after 8 and never had a chance.

Cotto cannot fight going backwards! For Miguel Cotto to Land a meaningful BODY punch or any punch, he needs to either be coming forward OR planted, otherwise he is very ineffective.

NO one can count  Michael Jennings as a legit opponent, he was there as a confidence booster for Cotto  as most boxers do to gain confidence after a brutal loss.


I don't see Clottey breaking down but I can see him giving rounds away with the turtle like defense. I also believe COTTO is the one who tires and breaks down!

Really when has he faded and lost? You say Cotto lost to Maragrito because of plaster gloves but there is NO PROOF, if you say Margarito used loaded gloves against Cotto then it MUST be applied to  the Clottey fight also.

Fact is Cotto ran out of gas and QUIT, where's the heart? So yes we give Cotto a FREE pass but CLOTTEY we must assume was fighting against loaded gloves also yet who went the distance? 

That's right even if you think Clotteys HURT HAND   is  B.S, he lost a CLOSE decision with a guy who had loaded gloves then, (no proof gloves

Yet Cotto  running out of Gas and quitting.. (willingly).

 Which fighter was standing when the final bell rung? Wasn't  Cotto.. it was a man named Joshua Clottey.

Styles make fights bro. I never said Cotto lost because of the plaster, I can't say for sure Margarito wasn't cheating though, you can't either, but either way Cotto lost because he fought a dumb fight and allowed Margarito to build momentum and throw thudding body shots because Cotto was retreating to the ropes which played right into Margarito's hands. That's not Clottey's game so it really doesn't matter.

He (Clottey) faded and lost against Margarito, did you see the fight? There was nothing close about the decision. Clottey got soundly beaten. Cotto won more rounds in his 10 rounds with Margarito then Clottey did vs. Margarito in 12.

I don't know why you're comparing their success against Margarito anyway though, that's not what's going to win either guy this fight. Cotto's superior hand and foot speed and his willingness to throw his hands is what will win this fight.

We're talking about a guy who's struggled with the likes of Shamone Alvarez, Richard Guttierez and Zab Judah and yet now he's going to be able to compete with a top 3 welterweight? Highly doubtful.

You neglect to point out   Cotto's struggles against FAR inferior opponents, shall we say .. drum roll... Ricardo Torres who frankly had him beat and out on his feet (he hit him with TWO low blows during the fight otherwise he would of been KO'd)!, Chop Chop had him severely HURT, ZAB Juddah  ROCKED him before he hit Zab with a low blow so he could get off the cob webs!

Let's not forget a paper punching Pauli Malinaggi took him the distance and won quite a few rounds. If Pauli had a punch, he would of KO'd Cotto.

The list goes on and on, Cotto fought a perfect fight against Margarito  he just isn't a talented "boxer" he is a decent boxer, has all around good skills, but his defense is so horrific, and to top it off he doesn't know how to HOLD and his CHIN is very suspect.

Fact is he ran out of gas and didn't have the legs left, regardless of loaded gloves he would have lost. Either way I wrote a while back that Margarito getting caught.. automatically gives Cotto a second life in Boxing... no matter who I like in this fight the mere fact that he GOT caught (Margarito that is) all WINS must be taken away or diminished severely.

You can OPT not to believe that Clottey hurt his hand, it was clear after the 4th round (which he was winning in a landslide) but he didn't pull the trigger. Yes I've seen the fight and I've seen every fight he has been in and Cotto's...

NOTHING suggest anyone has ever HURT CLOTTEY, I think this will be a back and forth fight and a very GOOD FIGHT. Nothing at all that warrants this high line.

I have Clottey in this fight, I feel Cotto's only way is a decision, which can happen but at these odds I'm willing to part with my money by believing in Clottey in my eyes he's the hungrier fighter and the overall STRONGER and Better Fighter.

Again I wish everyone the best and best of all ENJOY the fight, I know there is a strong chance every close round will go to Cotto, but I will take my chances.

ENJOY,
  Rich!

To say Cotto fought a perfect fight against Cotto is CRAZY. Retreating to the ropes played right into Margarito's hands. The Chop Chop and Torres fights were at 140 where Cotto was killing himself to make weight. The low blows did nothing to Zab, it was simply an excuse he used. Zab is a 4 round fighter now a days anyway, which is exactly what he did against Cotto, just like he did against Floyd. He put up a solid effort early, then wilted.

If Pauli Malignaggi had power, he wouldn't have fought the way he did vs. Cotto.

He doesn't need to know how to hold against Clottey, because Clottey will do more than enough holding for the both of them. He won't be forced into a situation where he needs to hold either because Clottey doesn't have power. Clottey has 1 KO in his last 10 fights, the same number as Ivan Calderon.

Agreed Zab is a  Great four round fighter, but regardless he had him HURT badly. I don't believe Cotto couldn't make weight, you're saying a young guy was so starched it weakened his CHIN? Seems like he was doing amazing at 140 until .. he was being called the "Puerto Rican Arturo Gattti".

I just want a great fight, your view on Cotto is your view and I respect that, and I hope you respect my view on Clottey.

I choose to believe Clottey hurt his hand, you choose to believe Cotto was starched and that's why he was being rocked by inferior fighters.

I don't want to go back and forth with you, because I think we both make valid points and that's all it is view points. Saturday Night Clottey and Cotto will decide it for us, I pray it's a war for us boxing fans!

Oh and remember no one ever Knocked out Margarito, and guess what the least likely guy to do it.. did it (Mosley). Neither guy is a KO artist, they BOTH work the body and wear you down.

I believe Clottey's uppercuts will be the KEY in this fight, Cotto eats them way too often, don't need to have KO power, Clottey has STING in his punches, add that Cotto's chin is VERY suspect no one can deny Cotto's lack of defense and suspect CHIN.

I believe Calderon is on the under card?

I don't want to keep going, but only 7 fighters have ever gone the distance with Mosley in his 46 wins. He's got pretty good power. I was big on Mosley by decision that night, I wish he could have taken it the distance.

And yeah, Calderon is fighting Mayol in an off tv fight.

This whole exercise was just to try to save you money, we'll see if I'm right come Saturday.

Thanks for the trying to look out for me. I know the challenges that face Clottey, every close round will be given to Cotto that's a given. but I feel Clottey will break down Cotto.

I don't think there is a right or a wrong, it's who you like. We know it's in MSG the day before the P.R day Parade, Pac-man will be there hawking Cotto because he wants to fight him.  All that favor Cotto.

I think the risk is worth the reward taking 3 to 1 on a guy I believe is better over all is a gift (betting wise). I know a Cotto decision is likely ( if it goes the distance), but I have a feeling there will be MANY disappointed Puerto Ricans  come Sunday morning.. as Clottey is too BIG for him.

At -375 your man is supposed to win not much to be wrong about Saturday Correct?  What puzzles me is some  rave how good Cotto is .. and how Clottey is a nobody (or doesn't have a chance) but they won't LAY the money, basically saying they don't have confidence in their man or they would lay the money!


People are terrified of Clottey and know he has an iron chin and logic says NYC and MSG love Cotto...Pac-man wants him.. (Yet dodges Mosley).

 I expect Clottey to put a monkey wrench in Pac-mans plans .. or at least make it such a great fight people say WOW Clottey is GOOD.

I hope for an all our war :) I also hope for Clottey to make Cotto submit  for a second time in 3 fights.

Clottey HAS been hurt before Nutty. He was rocked by a Margarito body shot late and by, of all things, by a Carlos Baldomir counter left hook. I don't see Cotto generating the volume of offense that would be necessary to stop a guy like Clottey, but he definitely has the ability to stun him a few times, assuming of course he can get Clottey out of his shell.

Mack do your write you last you were doing it last Friday, or did you mean this Friday waiting for the weigh in? :) Anyways quick question are you basing this on the atmosphere, MSG (his hometown) P.R Day Parade the next day, the fact that Cotto is the more known fighter and every close round will go to him.. also the fact that Pac-man is VERY interested in Cotto..

He will be attending the fight.. does this weigh in at all on your decision?

Going in I know Clottey will lose all close rounds, just the nature of the sport, but I've studied Cotto.. and he will be in for a HELL of a FIGHT. I won't be surprised if he quits for a second time.

Then again any Clottey bettors know that's our best chance either knockdowns or ko because when the bell rings (if it does).. we know the cards are going to favor Cotto if there are NO knockdowns.

I look forward to your write up.

I hope to see an excellent fight!

Pac won't be there. His trip to MSG got canceled this week.

I don't understand what you wrote Cotto will win because us on wagerline and other forums like Clottey?  I don't see how our views make the fight, the judges, fans, and the fighters make the fight, we are mere dots on a wall.

Cotto winning he is almost a 4 to 1 favorite, so picking him doesn't get much kudos, if I'm wrong I have a 75 % chance of being wrong (according to the odds).

I give you credit for predicting a knockout, and actually I've seen Miguel Cotto fade, many times and one time he faded so badly.. he QUIT.. (loaded gloves or not) he QUIT from being TIRED.

I've seen all fights from BOTH MEN, and I see nothing that warrants Miguel Cotto being an almost 4-1 Favorite.

So your pick is Cotto by KO?  YOu said my Pick "You all love Cotto by decision" then said .. fight won't last 12 rounds..

I'm assuming you are saying everyone is taking Cotto by decision, but you are going with Cotto by KO correct?

One of us has to be right lol, at least we both think it won't go 12. I know if it happens to go the distance it's going Cotto's way regardless of what the fans see and that's just the way it goes he's the medias  favorite and more marketable we must realize it's all about money.

Good luck, we will be rooting for the other man to hit the canvas, but I wish you luck regardless win or lose I respect your pick rather than taking the obvious :)

Here's to a war

Where did you hear this google news as of 12 hours ago shows he is attending, I tried searching but didn't find anything of the sort! Send a link :-)
 Here's the one I saw
https://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hKWP2CW7YmFyn-UrhDV_40FH30og

https://www.boxingscene.com/index.php?m=show&id=20350

yeah my grammer sucks....

my pick is cotto by ko....with some money on the fight wont go the distance just in case cotto is not the same guy anymore....these sportbooks know way more then the common better does....cotto by descion just seems to much of easy money to me......clottey should get exposed.....

 

If this U.S flight was canceled how was he in NYC tonight receiving fighter of the year award? I think he caved in to Bob Arum who begged him to attend.More importantly, Pac-man will host his dart tournament :)

https://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-10947-Indianapolis-Fight-Sports-Examiner~y2009m6d12-Exclusive-Manny-Pacquiaos-2008-BWAA-Fighter-of-the-Year-award-speech

How can a fighter at +300 and his Opponent is almost a 4-1 favorite be "exposed"?   Over a 75 % chance of him losing (Clottey that is) by the Vegas Experts..

I think I know what you mean, many people are giving credit to Clottey as a real solid fighter you're saying Cotto will dispose of him easily making Clottey look horrible and not even worth the +300.

I don't see it that way but I hope it's a great fight even if it does happen.

Good luck,
   Rich