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Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 12:12 PM ET #51

Quote Originally Posted by jdr016:

Another awful Scalabrine thread. The dirt worse. Not because of his picks, but because of the bickering back and forth. Imagine someone actually taking the time to write up post # 39. Scalabrine, you told him to get a new hobby at one point. Look at that post, bro. You need to get a new hobby.

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I can see this game going either way. It really depends which Florida team shows up. They have the superior talent, but Wisconsin is the better system team.

Personally, Kentucky is my only play tonight.

Good luck!

I have one: it's called capping.

Unlike Hugh: who stalks cappers and unlike you, who for as long I have been a member here, has done their best to rip clappers when they lose, something that will inevitably happen ( a lot!).

And I can write succinctly to explain the nuances of the troll handbook (which to trolls appears long-winded, because well, they don't read much of anything but only look for losers, but to the average reader makes perfect sense). So keep that copy of the handbook nice and warm in your bloomers where you shoved it.

And Hugh, don't continue making a fool of yourself. I THANKED you for the corrected from the previous thread concerning my record. Just as I thanked Ghanda and Kvs before you. But you need a tongue-lashing and then some. And I gave it to ya. And more to come.

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Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 12:38 PM ET #52

Great pick maynee. Rolling with the Badgers myself

Wisc should be favored by few pts IMO. The lopsided win for Florida over Virginia skewed this line in favor of the Gators. Should be a fun one.

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Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 12:43 PM ET #53

I thought the write-up could have used less rhetoric and more substance. But that's just my personal preference and I think you're a talented writer with good reasons for his play. BOL and anyone could spend a whole day on here bickering if he wanted to but there are better things to do imo

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Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 12:45 PM ET #54

Quote Originally Posted by BANGTHEBOOKS:

Great pick maynee. Rolling with the Badgers myself

Wisc should be favored by few pts IMO. The lopsided win for Florida over Virginia skewed this line in favor of the Gators. Should be a fun one.

Makes no sense. Wiscy also just dethroned the national champs. The line isn't skewed and most of the action on sportsinsights subscription is vastly on wiscy, anyways

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Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 12:49 PM ET #55

Quote Originally Posted by ProudJagsfan:

I thought the write-up could have used less rhetoric and more substance. But that's just my personal preference and I think you're a talented writer with good reasons for his play. BOL and anyone could spend a whole day on here bickering if he wanted to but there are better things to do imo

Thank you.

I try to cap from a macro-perspective infused with psychological motivators. And THEN I add the metrics.

And sometimes when I feel the metrics are overrated, I don't add much of them at all. Why? Because we know FLA's defensive metrics are sensational and Wisky being such a public team with lots of broadcast time, is known by the bettor very well. So I provided an angle many people know, but simply don't crystalize in writing. Something you won't find on the board. Because then, what am I adding but other thread content...

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Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 12:55 PM ET #56

And this is something trolls are not only UNWILLING to do, but UNABLE to do.

That is why they dabble in the frat boy antics. They have nothing else to provide but mockery.

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Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 3:20 PM ET #57

This might be our kiss of death on this pick and I'm already down with 10 G's.

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Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 3:52 PM ET #58

I'm a Wisconsin native and I know this team pretty well.

Wisconsin is a terrible play. Can they win? Sure, because Florida may get tight and choke. But they don't have any talent.

This is not a good team. Don't you dare try to compare this team to the team from a few years ago. Not even close. This team has serious offensive issues. Hayes has had a few decent games lately. But he's a hack and can't shoot. Moreover, the real reason this Wisconsin team struggles offensively is because they can't score in the paint vs athletic teams. Villanova was smaller inside and they matched up okay. Florida is tougher. I watched Wiscy play UNC earlier this year who has the best front court in the NCAA and they got embarrassed. The problem Wisconsin has is they can't score in the paint vs great ATHLETIC defenders so it puts all the pressure on the guard play and they got guards who can't create their own shot.

Now, why was Wisconsin great a few years ago? Use some common sense. Kaminsky was crafty and could score on anyone. He also spread the floor which opened up the lane. They also had 2 other very good players in Dekker and Gasser. They just had way more talent. The only reason this team is this far is because they play smart and play good defense. But the lack of talent is there. You guys all talking about the Florida Vandy loss? Wiscy lost at home to Iowa and Northwestern! LOL. Let's be fair now. The Vandy loss wasn't great but that was on a neutral court and they gave Kentucky issues. And Florida just couldn't hit a shot that game. It happens.

I do think Wisconsin can win tonight just because they are a lucky team. They get in close games inside 2 min and they have somewhat of an advantage there. But if you look at Florida in terms of "game control" this year they have had more decisive victories and their losses have all been close. Wiscy has been blown out several times. Also, look at Purdue last night. That's what the Big Ten has to offer? South Carolina meanwhile beat Duke. Arkansas almost beat NC. The SEC may be the underrated conference here.

Wisconsin should not have won last game. Down 7 with 5 min left and Nova choked. You don't put good money on sitting ducks in the tournament at near even pickem lines. Wiscy is a sitting duck make no mistake about it. This team has no shot at winning a title. They could get lucky and win a couple more games in coin flip spots. Wouldn't surprise me. They just got no edge in this game physically. And they really aren't a good shooting team. They get hot sometimes but they are far worse than 2 years ago.

I haven't had a great tournament. But trust me I know this Wisconsin team. If they're getting 4 and you want to take them whatever okay. 1.5? The only way to play this is Florida. In fact, the only thing that makes me think Wisconsin wins is me putting on a hex. Don't forget Wiscy was only up like 3-4 vs VT in the first round. You're essentially betting on them getting lucky inside of 2 min which is just not smart. Do you really see Wiscy getting up 9-10 in this one? I just can't.

Good luck to you. This is a bad play though. You may get lucky, but it's a bad play. Florida is no doubt a better team. I suppose maybe Wiscy can just fugly it up so much and it frustrates Florida, but they just played Virginia who is just like Wisconsin basically and in my opinion evenly matched. Virginia is the top defensive team out there.

Also, Brandon Lang the notorious loser is on Wiscy tonight. That's never a good thing.

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I'm a Wisconsin native and I know this team pretty well.

Wisconsin is a terrible play. Can they win? Sure, because Florida may get tight and choke. But they don't have any talent.

This is not a good team. Don't you dare try to compare this team to the team from a few years ago. Not even close. This team has serious offensive issues. Hayes has had a few decent games lately. But he's a hack and can't shoot. Moreover, the real reason this Wisconsin team struggles offensively is because they can't score in the paint vs athletic teams. Villanova was smaller inside and they matched up okay. Florida is tougher. I watched Wiscy play UNC earlier this year who has the best front court in the NCAA and they got embarrassed. The problem Wisconsin has is they can't score in the paint vs great ATHLETIC defenders so it puts all the pressure on the guard play and they got guards who can't create their own shot.

Now, why was Wisconsin great a few years ago? Use some common sense. Kaminsky was crafty and could score on anyone. He also spread the floor which opened up the lane. They also had 2 other very good players in Dekker and Gasser. They just had way more talent. The only reason this team is this far is because they play smart and play good defense. But the lack of talent is there. You guys all talking about the Florida Vandy loss? Wiscy lost at home to Iowa and Northwestern! LOL. Let's be fair now. The Vandy loss wasn't great but that was on a neutral court and they gave Kentucky issues. And Florida just couldn't hit a shot that game. It happens.

I do think Wisconsin can win tonight just because they are a lucky team. They get in close games inside 2 min and they have somewhat of an advantage there. But if you look at Florida in terms of "game control" this year they have had more decisive victories and their losses have all been close. Wiscy has been blown out several times. Also, look at Purdue last night. That's what the Big Ten has to offer? South Carolina meanwhile beat Duke. Arkansas almost beat NC. The SEC may be the underrated conference here.

Wisconsin should not have won last game. Down 7 with 5 min left and Nova choked. You don't put good money on sitting ducks in the tournament at near even pickem lines. Wiscy is a sitting duck make no mistake about it. This team has no shot at winning a title. They could get lucky and win a couple more games in coin flip spots. Wouldn't surprise me. They just got no edge in this game physically. And they really aren't a good shooting team. They get hot sometimes but they are far worse than 2 years ago.

I haven't had a great tournament. But trust me I know this Wisconsin team. If they're getting 4 and you want to take them whatever okay. 1.5? The only way to play this is Florida. In fact, the only thing that makes me think Wisconsin wins is me putting on a hex. Don't forget Wiscy was only up like 3-4 vs VT in the first round. You're essentially betting on them getting lucky inside of 2 min which is just not smart. Do you really see Wiscy getting up 9-10 in this one? I just can't.

Good luck to you. This is a bad play though. You may get lucky, but it's a bad play. Florida is no doubt a better team. I suppose maybe Wiscy can just fugly it up so much and it frustrates Florida, but they just played Virginia who is just like Wisconsin basically and in my opinion evenly matched. Virginia is the top defensive team out there.

Also, Brandon Lang the notorious loser is on Wiscy tonight. That's never a good thing.

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Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 4:03 PM ET #59

Quote Originally Posted by fluffybucker69:

I'm a Wisconsin native and I know this team pretty well.

Wisconsin is a terrible play. Can they win? Sure, because Florida may get tight and choke. But they don't have any talent.

This is not a good team. Don't you dare try to compare this team to the team from a few years ago. Not even close. This team has serious offensive issues. Hayes has had a few decent games lately. But he's a hack and can't shoot. Moreover, the real reason this Wisconsin team struggles offensively is because they can't score in the paint vs athletic teams. Villanova was smaller inside and they matched up okay. Florida is tougher. I watched Wiscy play UNC earlier this year who has the best front court in the NCAA and they got embarrassed. The problem Wisconsin has is they can't score in the paint vs great ATHLETIC defenders so it puts all the pressure on the guard play and they got guards who can't create their own shot.

Now, why was Wisconsin great a few years ago? Use some common sense. Kaminsky was crafty and could score on anyone. He also spread the floor which opened up the lane. They also had 2 other very good players in Dekker and Gasser. They just had way more talent. The only reason this team is this far is because they play smart and play good defense. But the lack of talent is there. You guys all talking about the Florida Vandy loss? Wiscy lost at home to Iowa and Northwestern! LOL. Let's be fair now. The Vandy loss wasn't great but that was on a neutral court and they gave Kentucky issues. And Florida just couldn't hit a shot that game. It happens.

I do think Wisconsin can win tonight just because they are a lucky team. They get in close games inside 2 min and they have somewhat of an advantage there. But if you look at Florida in terms of "game control" this year they have had more decisive victories and their losses have all been close. Wiscy has been blown out several times. Also, look at Purdue last night. That's what the Big Ten has to offer? South Carolina meanwhile beat Duke. Arkansas almost beat NC. The SEC may be the underrated conference here.

Wisconsin should not have won last game. Down 7 with 5 min left and Nova choked. You don't put good money on sitting ducks in the tournament at near even pickem lines. Wiscy is a sitting duck make no mistake about it. This team has no shot at winning a title. They could get lucky and win a couple more games in coin flip spots. Wouldn't surprise me. They just got no edge in this game physically. And they really aren't a good shooting team. They get hot sometimes but they are far worse than 2 years ago.

I haven't had a great tournament. But trust me I know this Wisconsin team. If they're getting 4 and you want to take them whatever okay. 1.5? The only way to play this is Florida. In fact, the only thing that makes me think Wisconsin wins is me putting on a hex. Don't forget Wiscy was only up like 3-4 vs VT in the first round. You're essentially betting on them getting lucky inside of 2 min which is just not smart. Do you really see Wiscy getting up 9-10 in this one? I just can't.

Good luck to you. This is a bad play though. You may get lucky, but it's a bad play. Florida is no doubt a better team. I suppose maybe Wiscy can just fugly it up so much and it frustrates Florida, but they just played Virginia who is just like Wisconsin basically and in my opinion evenly matched. Virginia is the top defensive team out there.

Also, Brandon Lang the notorious loser is on Wiscy tonight. That's never a good thing.

great , I think you are correct, Florida is the play. Bad match up for Wisky.

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Quote Originally Posted by fluffybucker69:

I'm a Wisconsin native and I know this team pretty well.

Wisconsin is a terrible play. Can they win? Sure, because Florida may get tight and choke. But they don't have any talent.

This is not a good team. Don't you dare try to compare this team to the team from a few years ago. Not even close. This team has serious offensive issues. Hayes has had a few decent games lately. But he's a hack and can't shoot. Moreover, the real reason this Wisconsin team struggles offensively is because they can't score in the paint vs athletic teams. Villanova was smaller inside and they matched up okay. Florida is tougher. I watched Wiscy play UNC earlier this year who has the best front court in the NCAA and they got embarrassed. The problem Wisconsin has is they can't score in the paint vs great ATHLETIC defenders so it puts all the pressure on the guard play and they got guards who can't create their own shot.

Now, why was Wisconsin great a few years ago? Use some common sense. Kaminsky was crafty and could score on anyone. He also spread the floor which opened up the lane. They also had 2 other very good players in Dekker and Gasser. They just had way more talent. The only reason this team is this far is because they play smart and play good defense. But the lack of talent is there. You guys all talking about the Florida Vandy loss? Wiscy lost at home to Iowa and Northwestern! LOL. Let's be fair now. The Vandy loss wasn't great but that was on a neutral court and they gave Kentucky issues. And Florida just couldn't hit a shot that game. It happens.

I do think Wisconsin can win tonight just because they are a lucky team. They get in close games inside 2 min and they have somewhat of an advantage there. But if you look at Florida in terms of "game control" this year they have had more decisive victories and their losses have all been close. Wiscy has been blown out several times. Also, look at Purdue last night. That's what the Big Ten has to offer? South Carolina meanwhile beat Duke. Arkansas almost beat NC. The SEC may be the underrated conference here.

Wisconsin should not have won last game. Down 7 with 5 min left and Nova choked. You don't put good money on sitting ducks in the tournament at near even pickem lines. Wiscy is a sitting duck make no mistake about it. This team has no shot at winning a title. They could get lucky and win a couple more games in coin flip spots. Wouldn't surprise me. They just got no edge in this game physically. And they really aren't a good shooting team. They get hot sometimes but they are far worse than 2 years ago.

I haven't had a great tournament. But trust me I know this Wisconsin team. If they're getting 4 and you want to take them whatever okay. 1.5? The only way to play this is Florida. In fact, the only thing that makes me think Wisconsin wins is me putting on a hex. Don't forget Wiscy was only up like 3-4 vs VT in the first round. You're essentially betting on them getting lucky inside of 2 min which is just not smart. Do you really see Wiscy getting up 9-10 in this one? I just can't.

Good luck to you. This is a bad play though. You may get lucky, but it's a bad play. Florida is no doubt a better team. I suppose maybe Wiscy can just fugly it up so much and it frustrates Florida, but they just played Virginia who is just like Wisconsin basically and in my opinion evenly matched. Virginia is the top defensive team out there.

Also, Brandon Lang the notorious loser is on Wiscy tonight. That's never a good thing.

great , I think you are correct, Florida is the play. Bad match up for Wisky.

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Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 6:24 PM ET #60

At what?

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Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 6:26 PM ET #61

Quote Originally Posted by gcwrestling08:

did anyone else throw up on their computer screen from cringing so hard at this?

Why? Your post was the dumbest one of all. As usual

Histrionic personality disorder. It's sad

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Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 6:30 PM ET #62

This game is so close. I had Wisconsin to make the Sweet 16 at +475, really liked their early round matchups. This one is tougher. I honestly think its going to come down to whatever team can do the most damage from behind the arc. Florida defends the 3 about as well as any team in the country, Wisky is the complete opposite. If Florida can get 5-6 threes combined from Robinson/Allen, it will really open up the lane for Hill and Chiozza to drive off the high PnR's with Hayes.

I don't really agree with the senior heavy lineup causing Wisky to be desperate. There's been a lot of rumors out of Madison that this team was in complete disarray the last few months. Teammates have been fed up with Nigel Hayes' attitude and the core group have had some issues in practice here and there. They've written the ship so far in the tourney... but I still am not so positive this team is a super tight nit group at the moment like a Xavier per say.

BOL Scal.

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Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 6:39 PM ET #63

Quote Originally Posted by fluffybucker69:

I'm a Wisconsin native and I know this team pretty well.

Wisconsin is a terrible play. Can they win? Sure, because Florida may get tight and choke. But they don't have any talent.

This is not a good team. Don't you dare try to compare this team to the team from a few years ago. Not even close. This team has serious offensive issues. Hayes has had a few decent games lately. But he's a hack and can't shoot. Moreover, the real reason this Wisconsin team struggles offensively is because they can't score in the paint vs athletic teams. Villanova was smaller inside and they matched up okay. Florida is tougher. I watched Wiscy play UNC earlier this year who has the best front court in the NCAA and they got embarrassed. The problem Wisconsin has is they can't score in the paint vs great ATHLETIC defenders so it puts all the pressure on the guard play and they got guards who can't create their own shot.

Now, why was Wisconsin great a few years ago? Use some common sense. Kaminsky was crafty and could score on anyone. He also spread the floor which opened up the lane. They also had 2 other very good players in Dekker and Gasser. They just had way more talent. The only reason this team is this far is because they play smart and play good defense. But the lack of talent is there. You guys all talking about the Florida Vandy loss? Wiscy lost at home to Iowa and Northwestern! LOL. Let's be fair now. The Vandy loss wasn't great but that was on a neutral court and they gave Kentucky issues. And Florida just couldn't hit a shot that game. It happens.

I do think Wisconsin can win tonight just because they are a lucky team. They get in close games inside 2 min and they have somewhat of an advantage there. But if you look at Florida in terms of "game control" this year they have had more decisive victories and their losses have all been close. Wiscy has been blown out several times. Also, look at Purdue last night. That's what the Big Ten has to offer? South Carolina meanwhile beat Duke. Arkansas almost beat NC. The SEC may be the underrated conference here.

Wisconsin should not have won last game. Down 7 with 5 min left and Nova choked. You don't put good money on sitting ducks in the tournament at near even pickem lines. Wiscy is a sitting duck make no mistake about it. This team has no shot at winning a title. They could get lucky and win a couple more games in coin flip spots. Wouldn't surprise me. They just got no edge in this game physically. And they really aren't a good shooting team. They get hot sometimes but they are far worse than 2 years ago.

I haven't had a great tournament. But trust me I know this Wisconsin team. If they're getting 4 and you want to take them whatever okay. 1.5? The only way to play this is Florida. In fact, the only thing that makes me think Wisconsin wins is me putting on a hex. Don't forget Wiscy was only up like 3-4 vs VT in the first round. You're essentially betting on them getting lucky inside of 2 min which is just not smart. Do you really see Wiscy getting up 9-10 in this one? I just can't.

Good luck to you. This is a bad play though. You may get lucky, but it's a bad play. Florida is no doubt a better team. I suppose maybe Wiscy can just fugly it up so much and it frustrates Florida, but they just played Virginia who is just like Wisconsin basically and in my opinion evenly matched. Virginia is the top defensive team out there.

Also, Brandon Lang the notorious loser is on Wiscy tonight. That's never a good thing.

I think this is a toss up... but to say this team isn't talented is one of the stupidest things I've ever read. "Wisky is a terrible play, sure they can win"..... you're statement right there makes zero sense. If they can win and Scal see's an advantage one way or another, then how is it a terrible play....? Next you're comparing reg season losses versus one another

.... Xavier couldn't beat anyone outside of Depaul the last one of the season, now theyre in the Elite 8.

Next you talk about physicality and how Florida is so much superior in this category. One team out of these two is in the top 40 in offensive and defensive rebounding %... the other one is Florida. One of these teams is top 10 in the country in defending the paint... the other one is Florida.

Please do some research next time

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Quote Originally Posted by fluffybucker69:

I'm a Wisconsin native and I know this team pretty well.

Wisconsin is a terrible play. Can they win? Sure, because Florida may get tight and choke. But they don't have any talent.

This is not a good team. Don't you dare try to compare this team to the team from a few years ago. Not even close. This team has serious offensive issues. Hayes has had a few decent games lately. But he's a hack and can't shoot. Moreover, the real reason this Wisconsin team struggles offensively is because they can't score in the paint vs athletic teams. Villanova was smaller inside and they matched up okay. Florida is tougher. I watched Wiscy play UNC earlier this year who has the best front court in the NCAA and they got embarrassed. The problem Wisconsin has is they can't score in the paint vs great ATHLETIC defenders so it puts all the pressure on the guard play and they got guards who can't create their own shot.

Now, why was Wisconsin great a few years ago? Use some common sense. Kaminsky was crafty and could score on anyone. He also spread the floor which opened up the lane. They also had 2 other very good players in Dekker and Gasser. They just had way more talent. The only reason this team is this far is because they play smart and play good defense. But the lack of talent is there. You guys all talking about the Florida Vandy loss? Wiscy lost at home to Iowa and Northwestern! LOL. Let's be fair now. The Vandy loss wasn't great but that was on a neutral court and they gave Kentucky issues. And Florida just couldn't hit a shot that game. It happens.

I do think Wisconsin can win tonight just because they are a lucky team. They get in close games inside 2 min and they have somewhat of an advantage there. But if you look at Florida in terms of "game control" this year they have had more decisive victories and their losses have all been close. Wiscy has been blown out several times. Also, look at Purdue last night. That's what the Big Ten has to offer? South Carolina meanwhile beat Duke. Arkansas almost beat NC. The SEC may be the underrated conference here.

Wisconsin should not have won last game. Down 7 with 5 min left and Nova choked. You don't put good money on sitting ducks in the tournament at near even pickem lines. Wiscy is a sitting duck make no mistake about it. This team has no shot at winning a title. They could get lucky and win a couple more games in coin flip spots. Wouldn't surprise me. They just got no edge in this game physically. And they really aren't a good shooting team. They get hot sometimes but they are far worse than 2 years ago.

I haven't had a great tournament. But trust me I know this Wisconsin team. If they're getting 4 and you want to take them whatever okay. 1.5? The only way to play this is Florida. In fact, the only thing that makes me think Wisconsin wins is me putting on a hex. Don't forget Wiscy was only up like 3-4 vs VT in the first round. You're essentially betting on them getting lucky inside of 2 min which is just not smart. Do you really see Wiscy getting up 9-10 in this one? I just can't.

Good luck to you. This is a bad play though. You may get lucky, but it's a bad play. Florida is no doubt a better team. I suppose maybe Wiscy can just fugly it up so much and it frustrates Florida, but they just played Virginia who is just like Wisconsin basically and in my opinion evenly matched. Virginia is the top defensive team out there.

Also, Brandon Lang the notorious loser is on Wiscy tonight. That's never a good thing.

I think this is a toss up... but to say this team isn't talented is one of the stupidest things I've ever read. "Wisky is a terrible play, sure they can win"..... you're statement right there makes zero sense. If they can win and Scal see's an advantage one way or another, then how is it a terrible play....? Next you're comparing reg season losses versus one another

.... Xavier couldn't beat anyone outside of Depaul the last one of the season, now theyre in the Elite 8.

Next you talk about physicality and how Florida is so much superior in this category. One team out of these two is in the top 40 in offensive and defensive rebounding %... the other one is Florida. One of these teams is top 10 in the country in defending the paint... the other one is Florida.

Please do some research next time

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Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 7:41 PM ET #64

Good luck Scal

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Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 7:46 PM ET #65

Quote Originally Posted by hradekbr:

This game is so close. I had Wisconsin to make the Sweet 16 at +475, really liked their early round matchups. This one is tougher. I honestly think its going to come down to whatever team can do the most damage from behind the arc. Florida defends the 3 about as well as any team in the country, Wisky is the complete opposite. If Florida can get 5-6 threes combined from Robinson/Allen, it will really open up the lane for Hill and Chiozza to drive off the high PnR's with Hayes.

I don't really agree with the senior heavy lineup causing Wisky to be desperate. There's been a lot of rumors out of Madison that this team was in complete disarray the last few months. Teammates have been fed up with Nigel Hayes' attitude and the core group have had some issues in practice here and there. They've written the ship so far in the tourney... but I still am not so positive this team is a super tight nit group at the moment like a Xavier per say.

BOL Scal.

Complete disarray is right. They should have lost to Rutgers. And they've clearly righted the ship for the time being.

There is nothing overly remarkable about Florida outside of their defense. I think ND last year was a better team than Florida this year. And clearly that Wisconsin team was not better than this one given another year together.

It definitely will be close. Wisky runs among the slowest paces in the nation and that simply isn't conducive to blowouts. They want to play close and stay efficient.

If Florida can hit their threes. They'll get some. But Koenig, in a game like this, will get his too.

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Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 7:48 PM ET #66

Quote Originally Posted by hradekbr:

I think this is a toss up... but to say this team isn't talented is one of the stupidest things I've ever read. "Wisky is a terrible play, sure they can win"..... you're statement right there makes zero sense. If they can win and Scal see's an advantage one way or another, then how is it a terrible play....? Next you're comparing reg season losses versus one another

.... Xavier couldn't beat anyone outside of Depaul the last one of the season, now theyre in the Elite 8.

Next you talk about physicality and how Florida is so much superior in this category. One team out of these two is in the top 40 in offensive and defensive rebounding %... the other one is Florida. One of these teams is top 10 in the country in defending the paint... the other one is Florida.

Please do some research next time

I give you credit for reading beyond the bolded statement. His opening salvo is complete trash in terms of an argument.

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Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 7:49 PM ET #67

Quote Originally Posted by wmi799:

Why? Your post was the dumbest one of all. As usual

The guys stalks all my threads to type the word 'cringe' in every one. Imagine living a life where that is your purpose....

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Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 7:49 PM ET #68

Forget the sides....

Under is the play here, IMO

GL to all.

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Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 7:50 PM ET #69

Quote Originally Posted by santa813:

Good luck Scal

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Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 8:32 PM ET #70

BOL scal

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Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 8:34 PM ET #71

Quote Originally Posted by ProudJagsfan:

I thought the write-up could have used less rhetoric and more substance. But that's just my personal preference and I think you're a talented writer with good reasons for his play. BOL and anyone could spend a whole day on here bickering if he wanted to but there are better things to do imo

i concur

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Macwestie1

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Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 8:59 PM ET #72

Quote Originally Posted by Slipper55:

Says the guy that never ever adds any substance and probably don't even bet the games

Seriously D*i*p*s*h*i*T this is why I do not make Comments or Bicker with half of the Crappy unnecessary oomments that are made here on Covers

I have better things to do& by the way who the F*ck are you anyways

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t6rider

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Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 9:05 PM ET #73

Macwestie1, f that guy. scal good luck my friend. I see all of my favorite cappers on opposite sides.

I can't pick my nose right now. I might just take our Lakers instead. I know they'll try at least.

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VTHokies1888

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Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 9:36 PM ET #74

Same side here, GL Scal.. Mac, Whats up buddy?

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Chauster

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Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 10:09 PM ET #75

Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

Record: 8-13 (I know. Close the thread now if that is too much to stomach.)

What has changed. My record. Last year I was 8-1 on this date.

This year. Not too good...Not too good at all.

What hasn't changed since last year?

The Wisconsin starting 5.

Happ, Hayes, Koenig, Showalter, Brown.

All of them. Playing together all year. Having just won their most important game knocking off the defending national champs.

4 of the 5 are going away. For good. All seniors. This is very powerful ladies and gentlemen.

Far beyond metrics, you are breaking up this team, this program if you beat them. You are sending home one of the most solid and experience starting 5 in the nation. Forever.

Think about that. Think about HOW MUCH MORE you will get from these 5, than you will an NBA game (I'm seeing the Cavs losing 88 to 101 to Denver tonight. This is every night in the NBA).

That is why you are here. You are here for the DEDICATION. You are here for the COMMITMENT. You are here for the PERSERVERENCE. You are here for the FUNDAMENTAL PLAY. You are here for the TEAM UNITY where one player doesn't need to shine above another and the win is only important.

That is why YOU are in the College Basketball Forum.

That is why you gamble on this sport over the NBA on night's like these.

You know what you are getting here in this sport. And it is very special. That ALONE is attractive.

And this Wisconsin team is very special with the 4 seniors playing for their lives. So powerful.

You saw it vs. Villanova. Foul trouble up and down the lineup. But they still they gutted it out; Nigel Hayes pulling his best Jordan vs. Knicks baseline spin move to the basket imitation.

That is digging deep. That is a team pulling out all the stops.

That is a team unwilling to die, even against the defending National Champs. Even as they were disrespected with an 8th seed. Another small motivator that should be mentioned.

So you get POWER of 4/5ths of a graduating line-up dying on the court in their final game (and one hell of a sophomore).

AND you get a team INFUSED with confidence after beating Villanova. That is PRECISELY what you do not want to give a team like Wisky, that goes long stretches without scoring. CONFIDENCE cures such ills. They have it now.

Not a SINGLE STAT mentioned thusfar but this is already a VERY powerful side in Wisky folks.

But then you get even MORE.

Wisky was in THIS EXACT same spot last year vs. Notre Dame in the sweet 16.

I capped that game and took Notre Dame in one of my toughest games I've ever posted:

https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=40&sub=102258000

Why was it tough? I was fading this experienced, gutty starting 5. And that was last year. Before yet another year together. The same exact team. Battle-tested and now in the same spot. And Notre Dame a little bit more of the extras that I detailed in that write-up to come back and win and cover.

Now this year, the SAME starting 5 are back but they've also shored up their bench. They have Iverson and Trice now. They didn't have anything beyond their 5 last year. If they need them, that's that little bit extra shoring up the deficiencies.

So Wisky comes in with more experience, AND a bench that isn't magnificent, but certainly can contribute, giving their starters some needed rest. And we know the lulls, through tiredness, this team can endure.

And the bottom line is this folks: This Florida team, stellar defense and all, isn't better than the Notre Dame team this Wisky team lost to last year, particularly without its rim protector Egbunu.

Happ and Hayes are difference makers underneath. They will not be adequately taken care of. They will get their points.

Add to this Koenig, who, as Vandy showed, can be electric from 3 when he gets hot (24 points from 3 two games ago vs. VT). Also this will be his final game if they lose. Plus he's coming off picks all day, tiring out the opposing guard. That is quite dangerous.

So you get the bigs underneath (advantage), if Koenig gets hot that's another advantage from the perimeter on offense (not defense), and you get a defensive rebounding advantage.

Now Florida's defense of course is sensational but Florida backers should be worried. Their guard play in this tournament has been nothing short of horrendous: 5-29 from the field over two games from their two starting guards. And the counter is, "Well they advanced even WITH that terrible play". That's true. But Virginia was just....well Virginia at its worst.

Perhaps we praise Florida for what it did on D to hold Virginia to under 30% shooting but think about being battle-tested:

Florida comes off a win over a lifeless carcass of a Virginia team.

Wisky comes off a win over the defending national champs in a nail-biter Wisky took control of right at the finish.

That is important in a tournament like this. Particularly after an extended period of rest.

A lot has changed. My record has. But this Wisky team has stayed the same for the better (and the bettor). AND we are DOGS against a Florida forced to win by 3 for us to lose and they will want to play this game like Wisky, super tight.

I'm not passing that up.

The pick:

Wisconsin +2 over Florida

Bol scalabrine