No, not really. Just saying that it’s closer to a fair line than most people realize. There’s a lot of threads asking why this line is so high. Knowing what the line should be is not predictive of what the outcome of a matchup will be, there are many more factors to consider. But, knowing what the line should be vs. what it is at that moment will allow a bettor to have some closing line value more often than not.
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@cadman04
No, not really. Just saying that it’s closer to a fair line than most people realize. There’s a lot of threads asking why this line is so high. Knowing what the line should be is not predictive of what the outcome of a matchup will be, there are many more factors to consider. But, knowing what the line should be vs. what it is at that moment will allow a bettor to have some closing line value more often than not.
Thanks man. Have never played your games. but, I’ve read a lot of your post. You’re one of a kind on covers. Very selective in the games you pick, so I always value your word.
GL.
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@TD21
Thanks man. Have never played your games. but, I’ve read a lot of your post. You’re one of a kind on covers. Very selective in the games you pick, so I always value your word.
Washington defense will give up a ton of yards and points, Ive followed many of their games and against GOOD offenses they seem to be unable to stop teams from scoring so to me I am not sure the Wash offense can score as easily as their defense will give it up. I could see Oregon beating the crap out of Washington by 21-28 points. Is it possible Washington can keep pace? Well to me the only way they can win is if Oregon makes a ton of mistakes and Washington can make long drives and keep the defense off the field as much as possible.
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Washington defense will give up a ton of yards and points, Ive followed many of their games and against GOOD offenses they seem to be unable to stop teams from scoring so to me I am not sure the Wash offense can score as easily as their defense will give it up. I could see Oregon beating the crap out of Washington by 21-28 points. Is it possible Washington can keep pace? Well to me the only way they can win is if Oregon makes a ton of mistakes and Washington can make long drives and keep the defense off the field as much as possible.
@davemsh I do a home / Away pure points offense / defense model. Wash defense is at 28-33 pppg vs Oregons D 10-13 pppg..all road stats.. Of course this is an away for both teams . I have Oregon by 14-17
thank god i teased them to 19.5
It's all probabilities
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Quote Originally Posted by Wizerguy:
@davemsh I do a home / Away pure points offense / defense model. Wash defense is at 28-33 pppg vs Oregons D 10-13 pppg..all road stats.. Of course this is an away for both teams . I have Oregon by 14-17
Oregon outgained Udub 541 to 415 in Washington. Anyone who watched the game knows Oregon choked the game away late and should have won. Also Pennix has looked average the last 6 games. I think teams have figured out their gimmicky offense. Pennix numbers are way down and they are running the ball more. Look at the last 5 games and u can argue they could have lost all 5 of them. All 5 of them were close games in the 4th even vs Stanford. Oregon did not even have close games vs those 5 teams yet Udub struggled vs all of them. Oregon will blow out overrated Udub. Just look at the last 5 games and compare scores by both teams vs those 5 teams. U will see why Oregon is Laying close to DD
This is exactly how I have it capped. Tbh I think it's surprising how many people have missed the discrepancy in common opponents scores which is glaring, and think this is a simple case of 'dur, they beat them already and are getting 9.5 points?'
Washington also struggled with Arizona they didn't cover vs them and their defense looked average in that game.
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Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:
Oregon outgained Udub 541 to 415 in Washington. Anyone who watched the game knows Oregon choked the game away late and should have won. Also Pennix has looked average the last 6 games. I think teams have figured out their gimmicky offense. Pennix numbers are way down and they are running the ball more. Look at the last 5 games and u can argue they could have lost all 5 of them. All 5 of them were close games in the 4th even vs Stanford. Oregon did not even have close games vs those 5 teams yet Udub struggled vs all of them. Oregon will blow out overrated Udub. Just look at the last 5 games and compare scores by both teams vs those 5 teams. U will see why Oregon is Laying close to DD
This is exactly how I have it capped. Tbh I think it's surprising how many people have missed the discrepancy in common opponents scores which is glaring, and think this is a simple case of 'dur, they beat them already and are getting 9.5 points?'
Washington also struggled with Arizona they didn't cover vs them and their defense looked average in that game.
Personally I will be playing Oregon o37' points. I think they will try and pad Nix numbers for Heisman while convincing the committee they're worthy of a playoff spot with a big win. Please, someone tell me, what is the UDub defense going to do about it?? Nothing.
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Personally I will be playing Oregon o37' points. I think they will try and pad Nix numbers for Heisman while convincing the committee they're worthy of a playoff spot with a big win. Please, someone tell me, what is the UDub defense going to do about it?? Nothing.
@TD21 I hate to ask, are you saying that with your numbers Washington is the play?
Numbers aren't necessary but they help..
Fact is....
In football...
When a team has to play their butts off the week before just to get a win an a non cover....that team normally loses the spread and ballgame next game.
Recent...Detroit
Many more over the years.
OREGON BY 14 minimum
Bol fellas
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Quote Originally Posted by cadman04:
@TD21 I hate to ask, are you saying that with your numbers Washington is the play?
Numbers aren't necessary but they help..
Fact is....
In football...
When a team has to play their butts off the week before just to get a win an a non cover....that team normally loses the spread and ballgame next game.
I disagree with that analysis in so many ways!! Those are just raw passing numbers w/out any regard to game script etc. First, the best Defense on that list is clearly Utah, and Nix/Penix both had similar games. Second, the Wash vs OSU game was played in awful conditions - outlier game. Wash threw less in the USC game, not bc of Penix sucking, but bc they were murdering them on the ground .... and when they did throw, it was log passes intended to stretch the Def vertically.
Which incidentally is a big deference between these two teams' overall strategy to create explosive plays. Penix leads FBS in completions of 10 yards or more, so yes he is going to have more interceptions and lower compl%. Penix is taking more risk than Nix (i.e. your conclusions put way too much stock in compl%). Oregon, on the other hand, is about 50/50 run to pass with a lot of explosive plays in the run game.
I think this is line partially a reaction to last weeks game (which, if youve been betting on the Cougs, who knows what team will show up week to week) and the fact that most models have Oregon as the best overall team in the country. Also their is concern about Penix at the end of that game - walking off crying - as in he might be hurt or reaggravated an injury (the rumor is that he/the team have been hiding a rib injury but I have no clue if that's true).
Even with a healthy Penix (who is just as good as Nix IMO), I make this line Wash +13. Which totally surprised me bc I blindly jumped on +9.5 before I got to my computer and now I am hedged to all get out.
(This is me creating an account just to argue some random point )
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@davemsh
I disagree with that analysis in so many ways!! Those are just raw passing numbers w/out any regard to game script etc. First, the best Defense on that list is clearly Utah, and Nix/Penix both had similar games. Second, the Wash vs OSU game was played in awful conditions - outlier game. Wash threw less in the USC game, not bc of Penix sucking, but bc they were murdering them on the ground .... and when they did throw, it was log passes intended to stretch the Def vertically.
Which incidentally is a big deference between these two teams' overall strategy to create explosive plays. Penix leads FBS in completions of 10 yards or more, so yes he is going to have more interceptions and lower compl%. Penix is taking more risk than Nix (i.e. your conclusions put way too much stock in compl%). Oregon, on the other hand, is about 50/50 run to pass with a lot of explosive plays in the run game.
I think this is line partially a reaction to last weeks game (which, if youve been betting on the Cougs, who knows what team will show up week to week) and the fact that most models have Oregon as the best overall team in the country. Also their is concern about Penix at the end of that game - walking off crying - as in he might be hurt or reaggravated an injury (the rumor is that he/the team have been hiding a rib injury but I have no clue if that's true).
Even with a healthy Penix (who is just as good as Nix IMO), I make this line Wash +13. Which totally surprised me bc I blindly jumped on +9.5 before I got to my computer and now I am hedged to all get out.
(This is me creating an account just to argue some random point )
Ummmm ... yeah, the numbers matter to the best handicappers in the world.... so they should be all that you are using. That narrative is just awful advice lol
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@camby700
Ummmm ... yeah, the numbers matter to the best handicappers in the world.... so they should be all that you are using. That narrative is just awful advice lol
YES!!! I have heard this rumor too! I can't find any source to verify. If we are legalizing gambling we should make these teams publish their injury reports. How is the NCAA still getting away with this???
At any rate, the way penix walked off the field is concerning.
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@______P______
YES!!! I have heard this rumor too! I can't find any source to verify. If we are legalizing gambling we should make these teams publish their injury reports. How is the NCAA still getting away with this???
At any rate, the way penix walked off the field is concerning.
I can see Nix going with the short passing game, while eating up the clock with methodically long TD drives. Similar to the USC game with a slightly lower score.
Taking thee under here . gl
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I can see Nix going with the short passing game, while eating up the clock with methodically long TD drives. Similar to the USC game with a slightly lower score.
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