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Posted: #76
Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

i take the protection of my family very seriously as i'm sure you do as well, but your scenario is faulty, if a guy is walking toward you with a 10 inch knife, your life is not in danger, he may simply be walking around with a knife, perfectly legal, but someone with a gun in his pocket feel threatened and shoot him , whereas had he not been carrying that gun that guy may simply have walked right on by

Just because you don’t take the protection of your family seriously doesn’t mean that others who do are dumb or do dumb things.

“if you are walking to the corner store and some scumbag decides hes going to rob you, what are the chances hes going to announce it first? odds ar hes going to walk up to you in a non threatening manner stick a gun in your face and demand EVERYTHING in your pocket, including your gun.”

What’s your point? Unless you are the Bruce Lee wannabe from the first page you give him whatever he wants in that situation.

What ignorant people don’t realize is that carrying a gun doesn’t mean you use it at the first sign of danger.  It is simply another tool you can use to give yourself and your family the best chance of survival.

If someone has a gun pointed in your face and demands your wallet = give him your wallet.

If someone walking towards you pulls a knife 10+ yards away = pull your gun and take it from there.

Again, it’s just about giving yourself and your family the best chance of survival.  Just because that might not be something you care about doesn’t mean others shouldn’t be allowed to protect their loved ones.

 

 
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I know, but still you cannot justify that. So you think it would be better that every person in the gym you were at or where the murder happened had a pistol on them? I can understand you feel the need to protect but for christ's sake dude, maybe you should get the fuck outta where you live then. A majority of people in our city don't even lock doors at night. A gun? Probably 1 in 200-300 families have one if even that many!

The fact that you would consider it better to "protect yourself" is understandable but at what cost? By your theory everyone carries a gun around? 75 people in the gym and say 30 people that have guns? That is "fucked up" shooter!! Not far off from being in afghan dude! Actually that would be exactly like afghan. Spend some time there and you would reconsider. With guns popping up everywhere people are always on edge and afraid. It turns into mass killings. Heated arguments then become murders or what happens when cops arrive? Shootouts with them? Where is the authority anymore? Keep the guns in your house or you have no one but yourself to blame for the way America is and this ridiculous state of Gun control.

Problem is everyone isn't like you and would be inclined to use it for WAY TOO MANY THINGS THAT ARE HARMFUL NOT PROTECTION!

I can’t justify that law-abiding citizens should be allowed to defend themselves from people that are trying to kill them? 

So “law-abiding citizens should be allowed to carry guns” = “EVERYONE should carry guns.”

When you have to make stretches like that it might be time it take a step back and rethink your position.

 “By your theory everyone carries a gun around?”

Again, where the fuck did I say that? 

“would be exactly like afghan.”

Where there you go.  The United States Constitution should be shredded because people in 3rd world counties shoot each other with assault rifles.  Wow, that makes perfect sense.

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by minion0812:



I know, but still you cannot justify that. So you think it would be better that every person in the gym you were at or where the murder happened had a pistol on them? I can understand you feel the need to protect but for christ's sake dude, maybe you should get the fuck outta where you live then. A majority of people in our city don't even lock doors at night. A gun? Probably 1 in 200-300 families have one if even that many!

The fact that you would consider it better to "protect yourself" is understandable but at what cost? By your theory everyone carries a gun around? 75 people in the gym and say 30 people that have guns? That is "fucked up" shooter!! Not far off from being in afghan dude! Actually that would be exactly like afghan. Spend some time there and you would reconsider. With guns popping up everywhere people are always on edge and afraid. It turns into mass killings. Heated arguments then become murders or what happens when cops arrive? Shootouts with them? Where is the authority anymore? Keep the guns in your house or you have no one but yourself to blame for the way America is and this ridiculous state of Gun control.

Problem is everyone isn't like you and would be inclined to use it for WAY TOO MANY THINGS THAT ARE HARMFUL NOT PROTECTION!

“With guns popping up everywhere people are always on edge and afraid. It turns into mass killings. Heated arguments then become murders or what happens when cops arrive? Shootouts with them? Where is the authority anymore? Keep the guns in your house or you have no one but yourself to blame for the way America is and this ridiculous state of Gun control.”

TRANSLATION:

“People should not be allowed to carry guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at anytime and anyone who would carry a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.”

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

If I ever had to pull my gun at the gym it’s because of something like someone shooting up the place or someone coming at me with a knife.
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I don't know why people think that folks who carry guns want to kill everyone in sight.  Who goes looking for trouble?  The BAD guys who don't care about the laws. 

My mouse gun (and almost all of them) doesn’t have a safety.
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There is a better chance you get in an accident driving home than a hand gun going off because it doesn't have a safety.  All these morons think that every gun has a hair trigger.  Ignorance is bliss I guess.  



For a lot of people everything they learned about guns they learned from movies, tv shows, and fear pieces by the media.

When it’s all said and done there are two realistic options:

1). Only criminals (and LE) carry guns while law-abiding citizens are defenseless.  

2). Criminals carry guns AND law-abiding citizens are allowed the option of carrying to protect themselves and their families.

How anyone could think it would be better for only criminals to be carrying guns while law-abiding citizens are defenseless is beyond me.

 

 
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“if a guy is walking toward you with a 10 inch knife, your life is not in danger, he may simply be walking around with a knife, perfectly legal, but someone with a gun in his pocket feel threatened and shoot him , whereas had he not been carrying that gun that guy may simply have walked right on by.”

Perhaps willingly trusting your life and the lives of your family members to a stranger that just pulled a 10 inch knife and is walking towards you is something you would do, but I sure as shit wouldn’t.

Also in my scenario where did I say “shoot him”?

And I’m not sure where you live, but where I live it is not “perfectly legal” to pull a 10 inch knife in public around people and start walking around with it in your hand.

 
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Guys you have lost your mind! Gee I wonder why America is so fucked with homicides? People should not have the right to be carrying guns around at all. The greatest country? Well sure sounds great when people have to carry guns around to protect themselves! Wow get a grip! To the gym! That is Fucken hilarious! Sorry shooter I find it hilarious cause people up here don't act that way and run around scared shitless. I'll let ya know though when our country gets bad enough that people carry guns around on the street to protect themselves! Sry if I seem ignorant but must be because up here our whole country has half the homicides of Cali in a year.
 
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It's not that I think you guys wanna kill someone but if you're allowed to carry what the fuck stops a bad guy with a clean rap sheet from getting one?
 
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Yeah to be honest that law should be shredded. Time to wake up and get a little more civilized guys. You wanna get a gun and protect your family? Great! But keep it at home where it is protecting! 1 of two things here. 1. Admit something is wrong with your country that You fear of being shot and need a gun or 2. There is no reason to carry a gun to the gym and you need it to feel bigger or safe when really it's in your head and mesia
 
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Media* getting a gun does not solve any problems. Baseless argument as well? Yeah hutch when you guys have 1000x the homicide rate of any modern country I wouldn't say a gun argument is baseless.
 
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As far as afghan as well assault rifles are one of many weapons. It's sickening when people have rights like this and only more homicides come of it. Both you guys prolly haven't seen the destruction of weapons have on lives. I shot, I have killed and have lost. Guns on the streets is not the awnser. however your country is so messed up when you need to bring a gun to the cornerstone you're already past the point of return. its sad
 
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I tend to agree that guns should be left at home.

Taking a pistol to the gym for the off chance that someone comes to shoot it up is a bit like wearing a helmet around in case a tree branch falls on your head. It just dont think its a good way to live. Like minion said its just kind of sad.

But I wont argue with your right to do it

 
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Quote Originally Posted by minion0812:

Guys you have lost your mind! Gee I wonder why America is so fucked with homicides? People should not have the right to be carrying guns around at all. The greatest country? Well sure sounds great when people have to carry guns around to protect themselves! Wow get a grip! To the gym! That is Fucken hilarious! Sorry shooter I find it hilarious cause people up here don't act that way and run around scared shitless. I'll let ya know though when our country gets bad enough that people carry guns around on the street to protect themselves! Sry if I seem ignorant but must be because up here our whole country has half the homicides of Cali in a year.

I have participated in about a dozen of these threads on this site and they all go the same way.

Logic, facts, and reason vs. emotion and irrational fear

Guns scare you so law-abiding citizens shouldn’t have the right to protect themselves and their families.  Great logic.

As I said before: when it’s all said and done there are two realistic options.

1). Only criminals (and LE) are allowed to carry guns while law-abiding citizens are defenseless. 

2). Criminals carry guns and law-abiding citizens are allowed the option of carrying to protect themselves and their families.

How anyone could think it would be better for only criminals to be carrying guns is beyond me.

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by minion0812:

It's not that I think you guys wanna kill someone but if you're allowed to carry what the fuck stops a bad guy with a clean rap sheet from getting one?

The same thing that would stop him if you banned guns for law-abiding citizens. Nothing.

Criminals don’t give a shit about obeying the law.  Which is why “gun free zones” don’t work.

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by minion0812:

Yeah to be honest that law should be shredded. Time to wake up and get a little more civilized guys. You wanna get a gun and protect your family? Great! But keep it at home where it is protecting! 1 of two things here. 1. Admit something is wrong with your country that You fear of being shot and need a gun or 2. There is no reason to carry a gun to the gym and you need it to feel bigger or safe when really it's in your head and mesia

“Yeah to be honest that law should be shredded.”

The United States Constitution should be shredded?

“Time to wake up and get a little more civilized guys.”

If giving my family the best chance of survival makes me uncivilized, so be it.  I would rather be uncivilized with my family alive than be civilized with my family 6 feet under.  But hey, that’s just me. YMMV.

“You wanna get a gun and protect your family? Great! But keep it at home where it is protecting!”

You actually think a gun is for protecting just a home?  No, it’s for protecting yourself and your family.  And last time I checked crime wasn't limited to just inside people’s houses.

“There is no reason to carry a gun to the gym and you need it to feel bigger or safe when really it's in your head”

Tell the families of THESE PEOPLE that it’s really all in their head. Let me know what they say.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by minion0812:

Media* getting a gun does not solve any problems. Baseless argument as well? Yeah hutch when you guys have 1000x the homicide rate of any modern country I wouldn't say a gun argument is baseless.

So a country is safer when only criminals have guns and law-abiding citizens are defenseless? 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by minion0812:

As far as afghan as well assault rifles are one of many weapons. It's sickening when people have rights like this and only more homicides come of it. Both you guys prolly haven't seen the destruction of weapons have on lives. I shot, I have killed and have lost. Guns on the streets is not the awnser. however your country is so messed up when you need to bring a gun to the cornerstone you're already past the point of return. its sad

We should shred the United States Constitution and not allow law-abiding citizens the right to protect themselves and their families because people in third world counties kill each other with assault rifles and RPGs.

Yeah, that makes sense.

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by daysbtwin:

I tend to agree that guns should be left at home.

Taking a pistol to the gym for the off chance that someone comes to shoot it up is a bit like wearing a helmet around in case a tree branch falls on your head. It just dont think its a good way to live. Like minion said its just kind of sad.

But I wont argue with your right to do it

I have just about as much chance of needing my gun at my gym (and traveling there and back) as I do any other place I frequent.  I would much rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

And I don’t see how carrying something smaller than a cell phone in my pocket is the same as wearing a helmet everywhere.

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

I have just about as much chance of needing my gun at my gym (and traveling there and back) as I do any other place I frequent.  I would much rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

And I don’t see how carrying something smaller than a cell phone in my pocket is the same as wearing a helmet everywhere.

 

Im speaking strictly about the mentality of feeling the need to carry a gun 24/7. I just think it is a cynical and somewhat fearful way to live.

I could also put 10 deadbolts on my doors with cameras all over my property and bars on my windows but I dont want to do that either.

I do however think gun-control is a joke and if you or any other law-abiding citizen wants to arm themselves to the teeth... well I have no problem with that. Its just a matter of personal preference and I choose not to.

 
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Seems to work well here in canada where people aren't arming themselves. Clearly you just live in a country where you are scared. That's the difference.
 
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Also guns scare me? Try actually using them for a living! How about killing people with them. You have nothing on me with gun use. I know there are mostly smart people with them but just doesn't justify having easy laws that let average joes walk around with them. Home use only. How are you protecting your family carrying them everywhere?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by daysbtwin:

Im speaking strictly about the mentality of feeling the need to carry a gun 24/7. I just think it is a cynical and somewhat fearful way to live.

I could also put 10 deadbolts on my doors with cameras all over my property and bars on my windows but I dont want to do that either.

I do however think gun-control is a joke and if you or any other law-abiding citizen wants to arm themselves to the teeth... well I have no problem with that. Its just a matter of personal preference and I choose not to.

If something tragic happened to a family member I don’t think I could go through life knowing I could have saved them if only I wasn’t as lazy and cared enough about them to protect them as best I could.  But hey, that’s just me.

At least you realize gun control is a joke and doesn’t work.

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by minion0812:

Seems to work well here in canada where people aren't arming themselves. Clearly you just live in a country where you are scared. That's the difference.

You seem to be confused.  There is a difference between being scared and being prepared for an uncertain world.

I have own a few fire extinguishers.  That doesn’t mean I’m scared to death of a fire.

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by minion0812:

Also guns scare me? Try actually using them for a living! How about killing people with them. You have nothing on me with gun use. I know there are mostly smart people with them but just doesn't justify having easy laws that let average joes walk around with them. Home use only. How are you protecting your family carrying them everywhere?

Someone could have driven an 18 wheeler for years but if they said they wanted to make it illegal for anyone to drive an 18 wheeler in public then I’d say they were afraid of them.  Maybe more afraid of anyone that isn’t you using them, but scared none the less.

Once again, when it’s all said and done there are two realistic options:

1). Only criminals (and LE) are allowed to carry guns while law-abiding citizens are defenseless against them.

2). Criminals carry guns and law-abiding citizens are allowed the option of carrying to protect themselves and their families.

Pick one.

 

 
 
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I understand what you're saying shooter and the options. But we are from two different worlds clearly. people don't run around scared with a fear of protecting their families. We can hold guns in our homes are protect our families from intruders. Our gun control works. Clearly not perfect but we don't have lots of random shootings unless someone was tied to the killer or gun toter. I still would pick no one carrying them in streets only homes. Sry if people get hurt but it prevents a lot more ridiculous gun crimes. We are strict enough to prevent anyone from carrying around a gun to police themselves and take lives at will. I know you wouldn't but many are capable!
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