the RB does the right thing here. he tries to teach the defender about clock management the old fashioned way. for some reason, the ref ejects the RB instead of the guy who makes the tackle.
the RB does the right thing here. he tries to teach the defender about clock management the old fashioned way. for some reason, the ref ejects the RB instead of the guy who makes the tackle.
essentially, every season, there are situations at the end of games where it makes sense to let a guy score rather than tackle him because if you let them score, you get the ball back and have a chance to tie the game or win, even if the chance is small. if you don't let him score, as in this case, the other team can run out the clock and you are practically guaranteed to lose.
the problem is many coaches and players are too stupid to understand clock management and probabilities so they don't take the option that may be unorthodox but gives them a greater chance of winning.
it'll happen several times this season, coaches will f*ck it up, and there will be some threads about it.
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Quote Originally Posted by The Hawk:
What's the Vanzack rule?
Make sure you cover your spread?
essentially, every season, there are situations at the end of games where it makes sense to let a guy score rather than tackle him because if you let them score, you get the ball back and have a chance to tie the game or win, even if the chance is small. if you don't let him score, as in this case, the other team can run out the clock and you are practically guaranteed to lose.
the problem is many coaches and players are too stupid to understand clock management and probabilities so they don't take the option that may be unorthodox but gives them a greater chance of winning.
it'll happen several times this season, coaches will f*ck it up, and there will be some threads about it.
There was a time when your own coach would make sportsmanship a priority, apologizing to an opposing coach and disciplining his own player. Sadly, there doesn't seem to be much of that anymore.
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Quote Originally Posted by Slobbasaurus:
That's nothing. This is even more disturbing. This black kid hit a white opponent with his helmet.
There was a time when your own coach would make sportsmanship a priority, apologizing to an opposing coach and disciplining his own player. Sadly, there doesn't seem to be much of that anymore.
essentially, every season, there are situations at the end of games where it makes sense to let a guy score rather than tackle him because if you let them score, you get the ball back and have a chance to tie the game or win, even if the chance is small. if you don't let him score, as in this case, the other team can run out the clock and you are practically guaranteed to lose.
the problem is many coaches and players are too stupid to understand clock management and probabilities so they don't take the option that may be unorthodox but gives them a greater chance of winning.
it'll happen several times this season, coaches will f*ck it up, and there will be some threads about it.
If the RB has a brain he runs out at the 1 yard line.
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Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:
essentially, every season, there are situations at the end of games where it makes sense to let a guy score rather than tackle him because if you let them score, you get the ball back and have a chance to tie the game or win, even if the chance is small. if you don't let him score, as in this case, the other team can run out the clock and you are practically guaranteed to lose.
the problem is many coaches and players are too stupid to understand clock management and probabilities so they don't take the option that may be unorthodox but gives them a greater chance of winning.
it'll happen several times this season, coaches will f*ck it up, and there will be some threads about it.
If the RB has a brain he runs out at the 1 yard line.
it's good to have a healthy discussion of the vanzack rule before we get into the college and nfl seasons where real coaches who make a shitload of money f*ck up this situation time and time again.
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it's good to have a healthy discussion of the vanzack rule before we get into the college and nfl seasons where real coaches who make a shitload of money f*ck up this situation time and time again.
it's good to have a healthy discussion of the vanzack rule before we get into the college and nfl seasons where real coaches who make a shitload of money f*ck up this situation time and time again.
I want to say Mike Tomlin is notoriously bad late and close with math situations like 2013 against the Packers.
So many coaches fail to go for it on 4th down when they should.
Andy Reid sending out the FG unit against the Colts on the 1 yard line in that playoff game. I want to say he opted to punt or kick field goals 3 times when he should have went for it.
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Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:
it's good to have a healthy discussion of the vanzack rule before we get into the college and nfl seasons where real coaches who make a shitload of money f*ck up this situation time and time again.
I want to say Mike Tomlin is notoriously bad late and close with math situations like 2013 against the Packers.
So many coaches fail to go for it on 4th down when they should.
Andy Reid sending out the FG unit against the Colts on the 1 yard line in that playoff game. I want to say he opted to punt or kick field goals 3 times when he should have went for it.
If you would have told me 20 years ago when I was posting in some shi*ty version of "Lou's Hot Tub" about not scoring on purpose that this would eventually be referred to as the "Vanzack rule" - I would have posted even more about it.
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It is beyond incredible to me that this still happens on a regular basis. I have almost given up documenting it. There are so many clock errors in football - up to the highest level (NFL) - that it almost seems like nobody actually cares what wins games. Clock management wins and loses an alarming amount of games every season.
Every coach should have a clock specialist standing next to him. Someone who understands probabilities and can calculate them in terms of strategy quickly. Think Harvard nerd.
After a year and a half of reflection - I still am convinced that Bill Belichik blew the SB against Seattle by not calling timeouts (I am aware of the opposite view but dont buy that he did a double cross fakeout by not calling them). I think he blew it. At the highest level - with what I think is the best coach of all time.
Let these guys stick with calling plays and X and Os. I dont know that garbage. But I can tell you with a high degree of certainty when to call TOs, when to run and when to pass. When to start taking all of the playclock in the 3rd qtr, and when to start snapping at 20 seconds instead of 2. I am not the Harvard genius - I can only imagine what someone like that could do.
Imagine the value of turning a loss in to a win in the NFL. The actual monitary value. It is mindblowing to me that this still goes on - kind of like MLB used to use the wrong stats to evaluate baseball players for years (and still does to some extent). They never evaluated (until very recently) what correlates to runs - and that batting average and RBIs arent the key stats.
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If you would have told me 20 years ago when I was posting in some shi*ty version of "Lou's Hot Tub" about not scoring on purpose that this would eventually be referred to as the "Vanzack rule" - I would have posted even more about it.
I am honored and privileged to be recognized in a way that most humans never are - on Covers.com.
It is beyond incredible to me that this still happens on a regular basis. I have almost given up documenting it. There are so many clock errors in football - up to the highest level (NFL) - that it almost seems like nobody actually cares what wins games. Clock management wins and loses an alarming amount of games every season.
Every coach should have a clock specialist standing next to him. Someone who understands probabilities and can calculate them in terms of strategy quickly. Think Harvard nerd.
After a year and a half of reflection - I still am convinced that Bill Belichik blew the SB against Seattle by not calling timeouts (I am aware of the opposite view but dont buy that he did a double cross fakeout by not calling them). I think he blew it. At the highest level - with what I think is the best coach of all time.
Let these guys stick with calling plays and X and Os. I dont know that garbage. But I can tell you with a high degree of certainty when to call TOs, when to run and when to pass. When to start taking all of the playclock in the 3rd qtr, and when to start snapping at 20 seconds instead of 2. I am not the Harvard genius - I can only imagine what someone like that could do.
Imagine the value of turning a loss in to a win in the NFL. The actual monitary value. It is mindblowing to me that this still goes on - kind of like MLB used to use the wrong stats to evaluate baseball players for years (and still does to some extent). They never evaluated (until very recently) what correlates to runs - and that batting average and RBIs arent the key stats.
If you would have told me 20 years ago when I was posting in some shi*ty version of "Lou's Hot Tub" about not scoring on purpose that this would eventually be referred to as the "Vanzack rule" - I would have posted even more about it.
I am honored and privileged to be recognized in a way that most humans never are - on Covers.com.
It is beyond incredible to me that this still happens on a regular basis. I have almost given up documenting it. There are so many clock errors in football - up to the highest level (NFL) - that it almost seems like nobody actually cares what wins games. Clock management wins and loses an alarming amount of games every season.
Every coach should have a clock specialist standing next to him. Someone who understands probabilities and can calculate them in terms of strategy quickly. Think Harvard nerd.
After a year and a half of reflection - I still am convinced that Bill Belichik blew the SB against Seattle by not calling timeouts (I am aware of the opposite view but dont buy that he did a double cross fakeout by not calling them). I think he blew it. At the highest level - with what I think is the best coach of all time.
Let these guys stick with calling plays and X and Os. I dont know that garbage. But I can tell you with a high degree of certainty when to call TOs, when to run and when to pass. When to start taking all of the playclock in the 3rd qtr, and when to start snapping at 20 seconds instead of 2. I am not the Harvard genius - I can only imagine what someone like that could do.
Imagine the value of turning a loss in to a win in the NFL. The actual monitary value. It is mindblowing to me that this still goes on - kind of like MLB used to use the wrong stats to evaluate baseball players for years (and still does to some extent). They never evaluated (until very recently) what correlates to runs - and that batting average and RBIs arent the key stats.
The sad truth is I have read somewhere they have a chart/grid on their clipboards with math already done for them in late and close decisions (2pt conversion or 4th down go for it). Not that I think those situations are more important (see Andy Reid Chiefs Colts field goal from the 1 yard line).
I blame the media too they want to sit and talk about who wants it more and other nonsense instead of obvious coaching blunders.
There are countless examples in other sports too, almost every coach in the NHL waits too long to pull the goalie when trailing.
I say worship the math. Almost everything else is noise.
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
If you would have told me 20 years ago when I was posting in some shi*ty version of "Lou's Hot Tub" about not scoring on purpose that this would eventually be referred to as the "Vanzack rule" - I would have posted even more about it.
I am honored and privileged to be recognized in a way that most humans never are - on Covers.com.
It is beyond incredible to me that this still happens on a regular basis. I have almost given up documenting it. There are so many clock errors in football - up to the highest level (NFL) - that it almost seems like nobody actually cares what wins games. Clock management wins and loses an alarming amount of games every season.
Every coach should have a clock specialist standing next to him. Someone who understands probabilities and can calculate them in terms of strategy quickly. Think Harvard nerd.
After a year and a half of reflection - I still am convinced that Bill Belichik blew the SB against Seattle by not calling timeouts (I am aware of the opposite view but dont buy that he did a double cross fakeout by not calling them). I think he blew it. At the highest level - with what I think is the best coach of all time.
Let these guys stick with calling plays and X and Os. I dont know that garbage. But I can tell you with a high degree of certainty when to call TOs, when to run and when to pass. When to start taking all of the playclock in the 3rd qtr, and when to start snapping at 20 seconds instead of 2. I am not the Harvard genius - I can only imagine what someone like that could do.
Imagine the value of turning a loss in to a win in the NFL. The actual monitary value. It is mindblowing to me that this still goes on - kind of like MLB used to use the wrong stats to evaluate baseball players for years (and still does to some extent). They never evaluated (until very recently) what correlates to runs - and that batting average and RBIs arent the key stats.
The sad truth is I have read somewhere they have a chart/grid on their clipboards with math already done for them in late and close decisions (2pt conversion or 4th down go for it). Not that I think those situations are more important (see Andy Reid Chiefs Colts field goal from the 1 yard line).
I blame the media too they want to sit and talk about who wants it more and other nonsense instead of obvious coaching blunders.
There are countless examples in other sports too, almost every coach in the NHL waits too long to pull the goalie when trailing.
I say worship the math. Almost everything else is noise.
sweet jesus, the very first game of the season, or at least opening weekend, appalachian state is set up to beat tennessee but their clock management on the final drive was painfully bad. they end regulation game at about the tenn 30 with a timeout left that they didn't use after taking forever to run a few plays on their final drive. and of course they lose in OT as everyone expected.
did anyone see this disaster?
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sweet jesus, the very first game of the season, or at least opening weekend, appalachian state is set up to beat tennessee but their clock management on the final drive was painfully bad. they end regulation game at about the tenn 30 with a timeout left that they didn't use after taking forever to run a few plays on their final drive. and of course they lose in OT as everyone expected.
I was at the Super Bowl in '97 when GB let Denver score from the 3 yard line with about 1 minute left in the game. The game was tied at the time, so the TD put Denver up by 7. I believe GB was either out of TO's, or possibly 1 left. The exact details are a little fuzzy 20 years later, but I'm close with the ones provided.
I was in the end zone of the scoring play, and before Denver scored I was telling the guys around me that GB should let them score because it was by far their best chance of winning the game. No one could seem to grasp the concept.
I know this is a different scenario than the 'Vanzack Rule' but this also comes down to mathematical percentages.
GB lost the game anyway, but letting the Bronco's score was still the correct move in that situation
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I was at the Super Bowl in '97 when GB let Denver score from the 3 yard line with about 1 minute left in the game. The game was tied at the time, so the TD put Denver up by 7. I believe GB was either out of TO's, or possibly 1 left. The exact details are a little fuzzy 20 years later, but I'm close with the ones provided.
I was in the end zone of the scoring play, and before Denver scored I was telling the guys around me that GB should let them score because it was by far their best chance of winning the game. No one could seem to grasp the concept.
I know this is a different scenario than the 'Vanzack Rule' but this also comes down to mathematical percentages.
GB lost the game anyway, but letting the Bronco's score was still the correct move in that situation
sweet jesus, the very first game of the season, or at least opening weekend, appalachian state is set up to beat tennessee but their clock management on the final drive was painfully bad. they end regulation game at about the tenn 30 with a timeout left that they didn't use after taking forever to run a few plays on their final drive. and of course they lose in OT as everyone expected.
did anyone see this disaster?
Saw it. Totally blew any chance they had. Idiots.
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Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:
sweet jesus, the very first game of the season, or at least opening weekend, appalachian state is set up to beat tennessee but their clock management on the final drive was painfully bad. they end regulation game at about the tenn 30 with a timeout left that they didn't use after taking forever to run a few plays on their final drive. and of course they lose in OT as everyone expected.
i just checked the play by play. they ran 8 plays in 2:30 minutes on their last drive. that's about 19 seconds off the clock per play but it includes having two timeouts (one of which they didn't use) and 3 first downs. somehow on their second play, they got a first down but still took 28 seconds off of the clock to run their next play.
so that's 5 opportunities to stop the clock yet they average 19 seconds per play out of 8 plays and the game ends on Tenn's 30. horrible.
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i just checked the play by play. they ran 8 plays in 2:30 minutes on their last drive. that's about 19 seconds off the clock per play but it includes having two timeouts (one of which they didn't use) and 3 first downs. somehow on their second play, they got a first down but still took 28 seconds off of the clock to run their next play.
so that's 5 opportunities to stop the clock yet they average 19 seconds per play out of 8 plays and the game ends on Tenn's 30. horrible.
It is literally almost every game they mess up timeouts.
For instance - I am up early today just watching a random GT vs BC game....
With the clock running... BC has the ball 4th and whatever up 14-10 with about 3:30 left in the game. They have 2 timeouts left because they already wasted one.
They call timeout to punt. Instead of just sending the punter out there with the training and instruction to snap at 1 second on the playclock, they call a timeout with 1 second and then punt.
Of course.... GT goes and scores and suddenly BC wishes they had that TO.
A fatal mistake is that coaches never anticipate the what ifs correctly. They never assume they might need that timeout, so they call them in the 3rd quarter or in this case - when they had the lead.
This happens ALL THE TIME and decides winners from losers.
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It is literally almost every game they mess up timeouts.
For instance - I am up early today just watching a random GT vs BC game....
With the clock running... BC has the ball 4th and whatever up 14-10 with about 3:30 left in the game. They have 2 timeouts left because they already wasted one.
They call timeout to punt. Instead of just sending the punter out there with the training and instruction to snap at 1 second on the playclock, they call a timeout with 1 second and then punt.
Of course.... GT goes and scores and suddenly BC wishes they had that TO.
A fatal mistake is that coaches never anticipate the what ifs correctly. They never assume they might need that timeout, so they call them in the 3rd quarter or in this case - when they had the lead.
This happens ALL THE TIME and decides winners from losers.
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