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Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



I thought he was a forgiving god?

Well yes!, you thought right!..He is indeed a forgiving God as well as a just God, furthermore He is also all knowing, all powerful, all loving, just a supremely good God!

 He is so good and forgiving that He gave His only begotten Son Jesus Christ our Lord Savior to pay for all the sins of mankind that whoever believes in Him will not persish but will have eternal life (John 3:6).

So He gives everyone this forgiveness but this choice to accept or reject this forgiveness has to be made while you are still living here on earth and not when you are facing Him at Judgment Day because it will too late to tell Him, "Ok Lord!, I accept your only begotten Son Jesus Christ as my Lord Savior"

So this free choice everyone has will determine their eternal destiny.

Some will spend eternity in paradise in God's Kingdom of Heaven with Him and others who are saved and will live happily ever after.

Most will spend eternity in the pits of hell where the lake of fire burns and the cries of weeping are heard with the gnashing of teeth. This is a place where satan and his demons will also reside.

Does this help you to understand that He is indeed a forgiving and just God?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

Well yes!, you thought right!..He is indeed a forgiving God as well as a just God, furthermore He is also all knowing, all powerful, all loving, just a supremely good God!

 He is so good and forgiving that He gave His only begotten Son Jesus Christ our Lord Savior to pay for all the sins of mankind that whoever believes in Him will not persish but will have eternal life (John 3:6).

So He gives everyone this forgiveness but this choice to accept or reject this forgiveness has to be made while you are still living here on earth and not when you are facing Him at Judgment Day because it will too late to tell Him, "Ok Lord!, I accept your only begotten Son Jesus Christ as my Lord Savior"

So this free choice everyone has will determine their eternal destiny.

Some will spend eternity in paradise in God's Kingdom of Heaven with Him and others who are saved and will live happily ever after.

Most will spend eternity in the pits of hell where the lake of fire burns and the cries of weeping are heard with the gnashing of teeth. This is a place where satan and his demons will also reside.

Does this help you to understand that He is indeed a forgiving and just God?


This doesn't seem like something a forgiving god would do.
 
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This doesn't seem like something a forgiving god would do.

Their god should also never get mad or any other emotions like that.  These are emotions we feel when we learn new information.  An all knowing god would never feel anger.
 
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Who keeps on ruining the pages?

Anyways, Mikniks said,

"Clearly Dawkins doesn't want to waste his time. Why bother debating something where neither side can win? I do it because I'm a glutton for punishment"

But we have seen Dawkins in many debates, its just that he avoids the best and most respected Christian Philosopher in the world.............

Dawkins slags religion and is very very vocal, yet he just hides from Craig.

Its almost like Lebron saying that he is the best individual basketballer in the world, then when Kobe challenges him  to a one on one, Lebron hides away.......What does that show?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


This doesn't seem like something a forgiving god would do.

That's why he sent his son to die for us. So we would not have to suffer his justice.  We are broken so he sent his son to die for us so that we could be forgiven. Jesus paid a toll we were incapable of. 

It's about as beautiful as it gets. God Bless everyone and Merry Christmas! Remember what it's really about.  The birth of our savior! 
 
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Mikniks said

"You have no idea what Dawkins is thinking. What you are saying is merely speculation (as is what I am saying)..."

I think it is very clear what he is thinking.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:


That's why he sent his son to die for us. So we would not have to suffer his justice.  We are broken so he sent his son to die for us so that we could be forgiven. Jesus paid a toll we were incapable of. 

It's about as beautiful as it gets. God Bless everyone and Merry Christmas! Remember what it's really about.  The birth of our savior! 

Irrelevant.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:


That's why he sent his son to die for us. So we would not have to suffer his justice.  We are broken so he sent his son to die for us so that we could be forgiven. Jesus paid a toll we were incapable of. 

It's about as beautiful as it gets. God Bless everyone and Merry Christmas! Remember what it's really about.  The birth of our savior! 

But Jesus wasn't born on Dec. 25th lol but merry christmas guys.  Despite my lack of belief, I still enjoy this time of year.
 
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Your 22 mikniks, you'll get it.  
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


This doesn't seem like something a forgiving god would do.

You are a very very confused person...

Lets try and break this down very easily for you.

Just stick to my example and answer the questions from my example and dont ask quastions from the question.

Lets assume, when you die, there is ONLY 2 places you can go...Now dont say "how do you know this", just stick to my example and answer the questions.

Lets assume, when you die, there is 2 places you can ONLY go to.

Heavan - Which is what God represents and is the place where ALL THE source of GOODNESS and LOVE come from. Outside this place, Heavan, there is NO OTHER source of love and Goodness. Heavan is the be all and end all of love and goodness.

Hell - Which is what satan represents and is the place where ALL the source of hatred, badness etc  come from. Outside this place, is where all goodness and derives from, but inside, all bad and hatred come from.

So there you have it, 2 places, not 3 , not 4, not 5 or 6.Just 2.

In terms of where one can be, it is a simple dichotomy.

The atheist, rejects Gods existence, doesnt want anything to do with God and what he represents (goodness and love) and wants to deny him. Therefore, the atheist doesnt want to be with God for whaetver reason. Logically, if the atheist doesnt want to be in place 1, logically, where is the other place they can go to??

yes, 2 (hell)......

God is only Granting you his wish, Thatst all he is doing, granting you your wish, the wish that you dont want to be with him.....

So what are you complaining about?

Its like there are 2 floors in a building and YOU HAVE TO BE on one of the 2 floors......

Floor a or Floor b.......

You stated clealry that you dont want to be in floor a, so logically, where else is there to go.......?

You state how could God send someone to hell? Well, he isnt, you are the one that has requested to go to hell.....you are the one that doesnt want to be with him, it is you signs off on your own eternal destination.......

I cant believe you cant follow simple logic.

 
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The problem to as Christians we experience things in our life that show us there is a God.  When you are atheist you are closed off  so you get separated even further. it's easy to see how you reach the point you have. God wants to be with us but you must invite him in. 

Like I've said before, there are things in my life that I have experienced that have shown me without a doubt, God is real. Im at peace because I know it's 100% true due to personal experience. When you experience blessings from God in your life you want others to experience it as well. That is why you have such passionate people on the forum, teaching, preaching, sharing the message. It's life changing. Unfortunately the only ones that know this to be true are the ones that have opened their heart to God. 
 
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Firstly, if god was all powerful he would just get rid of satan.


If god was intelligent he wouldnt have given us free will.  People then say well it is the only way we can distinguish between happy and sad and such emotions, but there is no reason an all powerful god couldnt just make us all robots that always do good and are constantly happy.  It's almost as if we are an experiment for him, but he wouldn't need to experiment because he is all knowing right?
 
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You are trying to simplify God Mikniks, ain't gonna happen. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

You are a very very confused person...

Lets try and break this down very easily for you.

Just stick to my example and answer the questions from my example and dont ask quastions from the question.

Lets assume, when you die, there is ONLY 2 places you can go...Now dont say "how do you know this", just stick to my example and answer the questions.

Lets assume, when you die, there is 2 places you can ONLY go to.

Heavan - Which is what God represents and is the place where ALL THE source of GOODNESS and LOVE come from. Outside this place, Heavan, there is NO OTHER source of love and Goodness. Heavan is the be all and end all of love and goodness.

Hell - Which is what satan represents and is the place where ALL the source of hatred, badness etc  come from. Outside this place, is where all goodness and derives from, but inside, all bad and hatred come from.

So there you have it, 2 places, not 3 , not 4, not 5 or 6.Just 2.

In terms of where one can be, it is a simple dichotomy.

The atheist, rejects Gods existence, doesnt want anything to do with God and what he represents (goodness and love) and wants to deny him. Therefore, the atheist doesnt want to be with God for whaetver reason. Logically, if the atheist doesnt want to be in place 1, logically, where is the other place they can go to??

yes, 2 (hell)......

God is only Granting you his wish, Thatst all he is doing, granting you your wish, the wish that you dont want to be with him.....

So what are you complaining about?

Its like there are 2 floors in a building and YOU HAVE TO BE on one of the 2 floors......

Floor a or Floor b.......

You stated clealry that you dont want to be in floor a, so logically, where else is there to go.......?

You state how could God send someone to hell? Well, he isnt, you are the one that has requested to go to hell.....you are the one that doesnt want to be with him, it is you signs off on your own eternal destination.......

I cant believe you cant follow simple logic.


Sticking to your closed universe here with just the 2 possibilities. We have heaven and hell. An all forgiving god would send everyone to heaven regardless because he would forgive EVERYONE. That is all I'm saying.

And offensive: I was raised Jewish. I believed in god for about 13 years. Nothing occurred to make me not believe. I didn't try to not believe and look for reasons not to. I tried TO BELIEVE. I wanted to believe. I just couldn't. It just seems so illogical to me.
 
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I understand. I wish I had time to write some of my experiences and maybe some time I can. Because of those experiences, I know 100% that God exists.  I only pray that others that open their heart to God will experience the miracles (and I do mean miracles) and blessings that myself and my family has.  
 
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Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:

I understand. I wish I had time to write some of my experiences and maybe some time I can. Because of those experiences, I know 100% that God exists.  I only pray that others that open their heart to God will experience the miracles (and I do mean miracles) and blessings that myself and my family has.  

You understand that's impossible. You can say 99.99% if you want. But you cannot say 100%
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


Sticking to your closed universe here with just the 2 possibilities. We have heaven and hell. An all forgiving god would send everyone to heaven regardless because he would forgive EVERYONE. That is all I'm saying.

And offensive: I was raised Jewish. I believed in god for about 13 years. Nothing occurred to make me not believe. I didn't try to not believe and look for reasons not to. I tried TO BELIEVE. I wanted to believe. I just couldn't. It just seems so illogical to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hVogaE5XeE

Watch!!!

 
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"God is going to give us on what we insist on having. Hitchens is in hell because god loves him." - LMAO WHAT A JOKE. Hitchens didn't WANT to go to hell. When did he ever say that? Is god that dumb? Or just this moron talking?

I don't want to go to hell. At no point have I ever said that I want to go to hell. I don't care about what happens after I die because I'll be dead. There is no hell. If you don't believe in heaven or hell, you can't WANT to go to either place.

This guy is so fucking out there, I dunno how anyone can take him seriously. His entire argument is complete and utter nonsense. His main point is that Hitchens didn't want to be with god. How is this even relevant? If Hitchens knew for a fact that god existed, is this guy that stupid to think Hitchens would reject him? I can guarantee you that if I knew god existed, I would embrace him and engage in all the religious bullshit. For this moron to make any sense, Hitchens would have had to believe in god and then consciously reject him, which is not the case at all. He completely misses the point. I can't believe people actually swallow this garbage.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

"God is going to give us on what we insist on having. Hitchens is in hell because god loves him." - LMAO WHAT A JOKE. Hitchens didn't WANT to go to hell. When did he ever say that? Is god that dumb? Or just this moron talking?

 
I don't want to go to hell. At no point have I ever said that I want to go to hell. I don't care about what happens after I die because I'll be dead. There is no hell. If you don't believe in heaven or hell, you can't WANT to go to either place.

This guy is so fucking out there, I dunno how anyone can take him seriously. His entire argument is complete and utter nonsense. His main point is that Hitchens didn't want to be with god. How is this even relevant? If Hitchens knew for a fact that god existed, is this guy that stupid to think Hitchens would reject him? I can guarantee you that if I knew god existed, I would embrace him and engage in all the religious bullshit. For this moron to make any sense, Hitchens would have had to believe in god and then consciously reject him, which is not the case at all. He completely misses the point. I can't believe people actually swallow this garbage.

2 places you can ONLY go to, A and B,

You dont want to go to A, and you also dont want to go to B

Remember 1 thing, you can say whatever you want to us, you can dribble out whatever you want, but God knows exactly deep down your reasons for rejecting him.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

"God is going to give us on what we insist on having. Hitchens is in hell because god loves him." - LMAO WHAT A JOKE. Hitchens didn't WANT to go to hell. When did he ever say that? Is god that dumb? Or just this moron talking?

I don't want to go to hell. At no point have I ever said that I want to go to hell. I don't care about what happens after I die because I'll be dead. There is no hell. If you don't believe in heaven or hell, you can't WANT to go to either place.

This guy is so fucking out there, I dunno how anyone can take him seriously. His entire argument is complete and utter nonsense. His main point is that Hitchens didn't want to be with god. How is this even relevant? If Hitchens knew for a fact that god existed, is this guy that stupid to think Hitchens would reject him? I can guarantee you that if I knew god existed, I would embrace him and engage in all the religious bullshit. For this moron to make any sense, Hitchens would have had to believe in god and then consciously reject him, which is not the case at all. He completely misses the point. I can't believe people actually swallow this garbage.


Lol I just watched it too.  Total nonsense.  He's sending him to hell out of love lol So god is sending people to hell because they don't believe in him?  Doesn't that sound stupid?  Theoretically a person could live their entire life without committing a sin and be sent to hell because they didn't believe in god. LOL

What about people who have never even heard about the notion of a god existing?  Are they sent to hell because they didn't believe in something they weren't even told about?  How does this sound like a fair and just god at all???
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

2 places you can ONLY go to, A and B,

You dont want to go to A, and you also dont want to go to B

Remember 1 thing, you can say whatever you want to us, you can dribble out whatever you want, but God knows exactly deep down your reasons for rejecting him.



Yea, my reasons are that there are no reasons to believe lol

DISCLAIMER: I promise that on my death bed I will repent my sins and say whatever god wants me to.  I will say, "god I am your bitch, happy now?" lol.  I see no harm in hedging my bets lol.  I assure you I am not that stubborn.  Regardless, this would do nothing for me because this is probably our only life...
 
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I also like how his example was that if our kids want to do bad shit we have to let them do it LOL what?!?!?

Basically his example says this:  My son commits murder.  I then torture my son and say it is out of love because my son didn't believe I was his father lol
 
 
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I will NOT repent my "sins" on my death bad. I will give god one final "fuck you" and recede into unconsciousness, never to awake again lol
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