Its quite simple really....
1. All things that begin to exist have a cause
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This is an intriguing argument. But why doesn't it apply to God?
Its quite simple really....
1. All things that begin to exist have a cause
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This is an intriguing argument. But why doesn't it apply to God?
Its quite simple really....
1. All things that begin to exist have a cause
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This is an intriguing argument. But why doesn't it apply to God?
Answer this.
Its quite simple really....
1. All things that begin to exist have a cause
________________
This is an intriguing argument. But why doesn't it apply to God?
Answer this.
Its quite simple really....
1. All things that begin to exist have a cause
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This is an intriguing argument. But why doesn't it apply to God?
Its quite simple really....
1. All things that begin to exist have a cause
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This is an intriguing argument. But why doesn't it apply to God?
Exactly.
Guys like hutch are a waste of time. They keep asking about who caused God or who created God and we keep telling them God is eternal He is the uncaused cause.
You would think it would sink in by now but these guys are not very smart.
You can give biblical, philosophical reasons why God exist but it won't sink in. When judgment day comes oh boy there is going to be a lot of sad faces.
And that quote by Einstein that I posted is one of his many quotes that have been collected and it is not taking out of context. He said what he said. Einstein might have been a brilliant man of science but he lacked an understanding of the Almighty God.
Exactly.
Guys like hutch are a waste of time. They keep asking about who caused God or who created God and we keep telling them God is eternal He is the uncaused cause.
You would think it would sink in by now but these guys are not very smart.
You can give biblical, philosophical reasons why God exist but it won't sink in. When judgment day comes oh boy there is going to be a lot of sad faces.
And that quote by Einstein that I posted is one of his many quotes that have been collected and it is not taking out of context. He said what he said. Einstein might have been a brilliant man of science but he lacked an understanding of the Almighty God.
The First Cause Argument (Part 4)
There is a single common logical structure to all four proofs. Instead of proving God directly, they prove him indirectly, by refuting atheism. Either there is a first cause or not. The proofs look at "not" and refute it, leaving the only other possibility, that God is.
Each of the four ways makes the same point for four different kinds of cause: first, cause of motion; second, cause of a beginning to existence; third, cause of present existence; and fourth, cause of goodness or value. The common point is that if there were no first cause, there could be no second causes, and there are second causes (moved movers, caused causers, dependent and mortal beings, and less-than-wholly-perfect beings). Therefore there must be a first cause of motion, beginning, existence, and perfection.
How can anyone squirm out of this tight logic? Here are four ways in which different philosophers try.
First, many say the proofs don't prove God but only some vague first cause or other. "God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, not the God of philosophers and scholars", cries Pascal, who was a passionate Christian but did not believe you could logically prove God's existence. It is true that the proofs do not prove everything the Christian means by God, but they do prove a transcendent, eternal, uncaused, immortal, self-existing, independent, all-perfect being. That certainly sounds more like God than like Superman! It's a pretty thick slice of God, at any rate—much too much for any atheist to digest.
Second, some philosophers, like Hume, say that the concept of cause is ambiguous and not applicable beyond the physical universe to God. How dare we use the same term for what clouds do to rain, what parents do to children, what authors do to books, and what God does to the universe? The answer is that the concept of cause is analogical—that is, it differs somewhat but not completely from one example to another. Human fatherhood is like divine fatherhood, and physical causality is like divine causality. The way an author conceives a book in his mind is not exactly the same as the way a woman conceives a baby in her body either, but we call both causes. (In fact, we also call both conceptions.) The objection is right to point out that we do not fully understand how God causes the universe, as we understand how parents cause children or clouds cause rain. But the term remains meaningful. A cause is the sine qua non for an effect: if no cause, no effect. If no creator, no creation; if no God, no universe.
Third, it is sometimes argued (e.g., by Bertrand Russell) that there is a self-contradiction in the argument, for one of the premises is that everything needs a cause, but the conclusion is that there is something (God) which does not need a cause. The child who asks "Who made God?" is really thinking of this objection. The answer is very simple: the argument does not use the premise that everything needs a cause. Everything in motion needs a cause, everything dependent needs a cause, everything imperfect needs a cause.
Fourth, it is often asked why there can't be infinite regress, with no first being. Infinite regress is perfectly acceptable in mathematics: negative numbers go on to infinity just as positive numbers do. So why can't time be like the number series, with no highest number either negatively (no first in the past) or positively (no last in the future)? The answer is that real beings are not like numbers: they need causes, for the chain of real beings moves in one direction only, from past to future, and the future is caused by the past. Positive numbers are not caused by negative numbers. There is, in fact, a parallel in the number series for a first cause: the number one. If there were no first positive integer, no unit one, there could be no subsequent addition of units. Two is two ones, three is three ones, and so on. If there were no first, there could be no second or third.
If this argument is getting too tricky, the thing to do is to return to what is sure and clear: the intuitive point we began with. Not everyone can understand all the abstract details of the first-cause argument, but anyone can understand its basic point: as C. S. Lewis put it, "I felt in my bones that this universe does not explain itself."
The First Cause Argument (Part 4)
There is a single common logical structure to all four proofs. Instead of proving God directly, they prove him indirectly, by refuting atheism. Either there is a first cause or not. The proofs look at "not" and refute it, leaving the only other possibility, that God is.
Each of the four ways makes the same point for four different kinds of cause: first, cause of motion; second, cause of a beginning to existence; third, cause of present existence; and fourth, cause of goodness or value. The common point is that if there were no first cause, there could be no second causes, and there are second causes (moved movers, caused causers, dependent and mortal beings, and less-than-wholly-perfect beings). Therefore there must be a first cause of motion, beginning, existence, and perfection.
How can anyone squirm out of this tight logic? Here are four ways in which different philosophers try.
First, many say the proofs don't prove God but only some vague first cause or other. "God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, not the God of philosophers and scholars", cries Pascal, who was a passionate Christian but did not believe you could logically prove God's existence. It is true that the proofs do not prove everything the Christian means by God, but they do prove a transcendent, eternal, uncaused, immortal, self-existing, independent, all-perfect being. That certainly sounds more like God than like Superman! It's a pretty thick slice of God, at any rate—much too much for any atheist to digest.
Second, some philosophers, like Hume, say that the concept of cause is ambiguous and not applicable beyond the physical universe to God. How dare we use the same term for what clouds do to rain, what parents do to children, what authors do to books, and what God does to the universe? The answer is that the concept of cause is analogical—that is, it differs somewhat but not completely from one example to another. Human fatherhood is like divine fatherhood, and physical causality is like divine causality. The way an author conceives a book in his mind is not exactly the same as the way a woman conceives a baby in her body either, but we call both causes. (In fact, we also call both conceptions.) The objection is right to point out that we do not fully understand how God causes the universe, as we understand how parents cause children or clouds cause rain. But the term remains meaningful. A cause is the sine qua non for an effect: if no cause, no effect. If no creator, no creation; if no God, no universe.
Third, it is sometimes argued (e.g., by Bertrand Russell) that there is a self-contradiction in the argument, for one of the premises is that everything needs a cause, but the conclusion is that there is something (God) which does not need a cause. The child who asks "Who made God?" is really thinking of this objection. The answer is very simple: the argument does not use the premise that everything needs a cause. Everything in motion needs a cause, everything dependent needs a cause, everything imperfect needs a cause.
Fourth, it is often asked why there can't be infinite regress, with no first being. Infinite regress is perfectly acceptable in mathematics: negative numbers go on to infinity just as positive numbers do. So why can't time be like the number series, with no highest number either negatively (no first in the past) or positively (no last in the future)? The answer is that real beings are not like numbers: they need causes, for the chain of real beings moves in one direction only, from past to future, and the future is caused by the past. Positive numbers are not caused by negative numbers. There is, in fact, a parallel in the number series for a first cause: the number one. If there were no first positive integer, no unit one, there could be no subsequent addition of units. Two is two ones, three is three ones, and so on. If there were no first, there could be no second or third.
If this argument is getting too tricky, the thing to do is to return to what is sure and clear: the intuitive point we began with. Not everyone can understand all the abstract details of the first-cause argument, but anyone can understand its basic point: as C. S. Lewis put it, "I felt in my bones that this universe does not explain itself."
What the Bilbe says about Vegetarians:
What the Bilbe says about Vegetarians:
What the Bilbe says about Vegetarians:
Here is a good example of an atheist misinterpreting the Holy Bible and not fully understanding the message.
In Acts Chapter 10, the chapter was about Peter visiting Cornelius, a Roman officer, who was a devout and God-fearing man, and well respected by the person and a Gentile.
This passage was really about the Gentiles hearing the Good News from Peter. Peter seen it clearly that God shows no favoritism. In every nation He accepts those who fear Him and do what is right.
The part about animals, reptiles and birds were when Peter was in a trance and it is all symbolic leading up to the real message the Lord was conveying. It had nothing to do with vegetarians...lol One needs to read the whole chapter thoroughly and completely to understand the true meaning.
In Romans Chapter 14, the chapter was about 'The Danger of Critism'. The Lord was saying accept other believers who are weak in faith, and don't argue with them about what they think is right or wrong.
He then gives an example and says for instance, one person believes it's all right to eat anything, but another believer with a sensitive conscience will eat only vegetables. Those who feel free to eat anything must not look down on those who don't. And those who don't eat certain foods must not condemn those who do, for He has accepted them.
In 1 Timothy Chapter 4, the chapter was about "Warnings against False Teachers". The Lord tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith, they will follow deceptive spirits and teaching that come from demons.
Those people are hypocrites and liars, and their consciences are dead. They will say things like it is wrong to be married and wrong to eat certain foods.
But God created those foods to be eaten with thanks by faithful people who know the truth. Since everything God created is good, we should not reject any of it but receive it with thanks.
So these 3 different passages in the Holy Bible has nothing to do with vegetarians being seduced by evil spirits.
It looks like you have been seduced by an evil spirit to post something that is utterly false...shame on you!
What the Bilbe says about Vegetarians:
Here is a good example of an atheist misinterpreting the Holy Bible and not fully understanding the message.
In Acts Chapter 10, the chapter was about Peter visiting Cornelius, a Roman officer, who was a devout and God-fearing man, and well respected by the person and a Gentile.
This passage was really about the Gentiles hearing the Good News from Peter. Peter seen it clearly that God shows no favoritism. In every nation He accepts those who fear Him and do what is right.
The part about animals, reptiles and birds were when Peter was in a trance and it is all symbolic leading up to the real message the Lord was conveying. It had nothing to do with vegetarians...lol One needs to read the whole chapter thoroughly and completely to understand the true meaning.
In Romans Chapter 14, the chapter was about 'The Danger of Critism'. The Lord was saying accept other believers who are weak in faith, and don't argue with them about what they think is right or wrong.
He then gives an example and says for instance, one person believes it's all right to eat anything, but another believer with a sensitive conscience will eat only vegetables. Those who feel free to eat anything must not look down on those who don't. And those who don't eat certain foods must not condemn those who do, for He has accepted them.
In 1 Timothy Chapter 4, the chapter was about "Warnings against False Teachers". The Lord tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith, they will follow deceptive spirits and teaching that come from demons.
Those people are hypocrites and liars, and their consciences are dead. They will say things like it is wrong to be married and wrong to eat certain foods.
But God created those foods to be eaten with thanks by faithful people who know the truth. Since everything God created is good, we should not reject any of it but receive it with thanks.
So these 3 different passages in the Holy Bible has nothing to do with vegetarians being seduced by evil spirits.
It looks like you have been seduced by an evil spirit to post something that is utterly false...shame on you!
Here is a good example of an atheist misinterpreting the Holy Bible and not fully understanding the message.
In Acts Chapter 10, the chapter was about Peter visiting Cornelius, a Roman officer, who was a devout and God-fearing man, and well respected by the person and a Gentile.
This passage was really about the Gentiles hearing the Good News from Peter. Peter seen it clearly that God shows no favoritism. In every nation He accepts those who fear Him and do what is right.
The part about animals, reptiles and birds were when Peter was in a trance and it is all symbolic leading up to the real message the Lord was conveying. It had nothing to do with vegetarians...lol One needs to read the whole chapter thoroughly and completely to understand the true meaning.
In Romans Chapter 14, the chapter was about 'The Danger of Critism'. The Lord was saying accept other believers who are weak in faith, and don't argue with them about what they think is right or wrong.
He then gives an example and says for instance, one person believes it's all right to eat anything, but another believer with a sensitive conscience will eat only vegetables. Those who feel free to eat anything must not look down on those who don't. And those who don't eat certain foods must not condemn those who do, for He has accepted them.
In 1 Timothy Chapter 4, the chapter was about "Warnings against False Teachers". The Lord tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith, they will follow deceptive spirits and teaching that come from demons.
Those people are hypocrites and liars, and their consciences are dead. They will say things like it is wrong to be married and wrong to eat certain foods.
But God created those foods to be eaten with thanks by faithful people who know the truth. Since everything God created is good, we should not reject any of it but receive it with thanks.
So these 3 different passages in the Holy Bible has nothing to do with vegetarians being seduced by evil spirits.
It looks like you have been seduced by an evil spirit to post something that is utterly false...shame on you!
Here is a good example of an atheist misinterpreting the Holy Bible and not fully understanding the message.
In Acts Chapter 10, the chapter was about Peter visiting Cornelius, a Roman officer, who was a devout and God-fearing man, and well respected by the person and a Gentile.
This passage was really about the Gentiles hearing the Good News from Peter. Peter seen it clearly that God shows no favoritism. In every nation He accepts those who fear Him and do what is right.
The part about animals, reptiles and birds were when Peter was in a trance and it is all symbolic leading up to the real message the Lord was conveying. It had nothing to do with vegetarians...lol One needs to read the whole chapter thoroughly and completely to understand the true meaning.
In Romans Chapter 14, the chapter was about 'The Danger of Critism'. The Lord was saying accept other believers who are weak in faith, and don't argue with them about what they think is right or wrong.
He then gives an example and says for instance, one person believes it's all right to eat anything, but another believer with a sensitive conscience will eat only vegetables. Those who feel free to eat anything must not look down on those who don't. And those who don't eat certain foods must not condemn those who do, for He has accepted them.
In 1 Timothy Chapter 4, the chapter was about "Warnings against False Teachers". The Lord tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith, they will follow deceptive spirits and teaching that come from demons.
Those people are hypocrites and liars, and their consciences are dead. They will say things like it is wrong to be married and wrong to eat certain foods.
But God created those foods to be eaten with thanks by faithful people who know the truth. Since everything God created is good, we should not reject any of it but receive it with thanks.
So these 3 different passages in the Holy Bible has nothing to do with vegetarians being seduced by evil spirits.
It looks like you have been seduced by an evil spirit to post something that is utterly false...shame on you!
I know comprehension was not one of your strongest skills while attending school...am I right about that?...lol
I know comprehension was not one of your strongest skills while attending school...am I right about that?...lol
Eating sensibly helps. Vegetables are really good and so is a nice steak to go along with those vegetables once in a while.
Eat right, exercise regularly, don't smoke, maybe an occasional lite beer, drink lots of water, take your vitamins...these things should help you live a healthy, long life.
Eating sensibly helps. Vegetables are really good and so is a nice steak to go along with those vegetables once in a while.
Eat right, exercise regularly, don't smoke, maybe an occasional lite beer, drink lots of water, take your vitamins...these things should help you live a healthy, long life.
Eating sensibly helps. Vegetables are really good and so is a nice steak to go along with those vegetables once in a while.
Eat right, exercise regularly, don't smoke, maybe an occasional lite beer, drink lots of water, take your vitamins...these things should help you live a healthy, long life.
Eating sensibly helps. Vegetables are really good and so is a nice steak to go along with those vegetables once in a while.
Eat right, exercise regularly, don't smoke, maybe an occasional lite beer, drink lots of water, take your vitamins...these things should help you live a healthy, long life.
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