Smoothd - who do you think is going to read all of that?
Look - you guys realize that your bible was written by people who thought the world was flat and had no idea what germs were? These people lived in caves and shit in the streets.
If Jesus really wanted to help humanity - instead of dying - why didnt he just simply say "hey, you know - you guys dont have to die from a sore throat. Here is something called penicliin. Germs are micro-organisms causing disease. Have a great day."
That alone would have done exponentially more for humanity than dying on the cross.
Smoothd - who do you think is going to read all of that?
Look - you guys realize that your bible was written by people who thought the world was flat and had no idea what germs were? These people lived in caves and shit in the streets.
If Jesus really wanted to help humanity - instead of dying - why didnt he just simply say "hey, you know - you guys dont have to die from a sore throat. Here is something called penicliin. Germs are micro-organisms causing disease. Have a great day."
That alone would have done exponentially more for humanity than dying on the cross.
Smoothd - who do you think is going to read all of that?
Look - you guys realize that your bible was written by people who thought the world was flat and had no idea what germs were? These people lived in caves and shit in the streets.
If Jesus really wanted to help humanity - instead of dying - why didnt he just simply say "hey, you know - you guys dont have to die from a sore throat. Here is something called penicliin. Germs are micro-organisms causing disease. Have a great day."
That alone would have done exponentially more for humanity than dying on the cross.
There is so much wrong with your thought process it isnt funny. To think that you think you are intelligent is bizarre....
Does the bible say the earth is flat? I want to know where the bible says the earth is flat. You making up things again?
Just like all atheists, your idea of God is that for him to exist, he would be some sort of Genie......
Where did it go all wrong for you Vanzack? Where did it all go wrong....
Smoothd - who do you think is going to read all of that?
Look - you guys realize that your bible was written by people who thought the world was flat and had no idea what germs were? These people lived in caves and shit in the streets.
If Jesus really wanted to help humanity - instead of dying - why didnt he just simply say "hey, you know - you guys dont have to die from a sore throat. Here is something called penicliin. Germs are micro-organisms causing disease. Have a great day."
That alone would have done exponentially more for humanity than dying on the cross.
There is so much wrong with your thought process it isnt funny. To think that you think you are intelligent is bizarre....
Does the bible say the earth is flat? I want to know where the bible says the earth is flat. You making up things again?
Just like all atheists, your idea of God is that for him to exist, he would be some sort of Genie......
Where did it go all wrong for you Vanzack? Where did it all go wrong....
Its quite simple really....
1. All things that begin to exist have a cause
2. The universe (including space, time and matter began to exist)
3. Therefore the universe has a cause that is spaceless, timeless and immaterial...
Its really that simple..........
Debunk that self confessed intellects........
I dont expect it to be debunked, rather, i expect a typical covers response, which is "your an idiot"...or best of all, it gets ignored.....and you claim you are intellects...
Its quite simple really....
1. All things that begin to exist have a cause
2. The universe (including space, time and matter began to exist)
3. Therefore the universe has a cause that is spaceless, timeless and immaterial...
Its really that simple..........
Debunk that self confessed intellects........
I dont expect it to be debunked, rather, i expect a typical covers response, which is "your an idiot"...or best of all, it gets ignored.....and you claim you are intellects...
Smoothd - who do you think is going to read all of that?
Look - you guys realize that your bible was written by people who thought the world was flat and had no idea what germs were? These people lived in caves and shit in the streets.
If Jesus really wanted to help humanity - instead of dying - why didnt he just simply say "hey, you know - you guys dont have to die from a sore throat. Here is something called penicliin. Germs are micro-organisms causing disease. Have a great day."
That alone would have done exponentially more for humanity than dying on the cross.
Smoothd - who do you think is going to read all of that?
Look - you guys realize that your bible was written by people who thought the world was flat and had no idea what germs were? These people lived in caves and shit in the streets.
If Jesus really wanted to help humanity - instead of dying - why didnt he just simply say "hey, you know - you guys dont have to die from a sore throat. Here is something called penicliin. Germs are micro-organisms causing disease. Have a great day."
That alone would have done exponentially more for humanity than dying on the cross.
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She is part female ape and part female human...hihihihihi!
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She is part female ape and part female human...hihihihihi!
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The First Cause Argument (Part 3)
Saint Thomas has four versions of this basic argument.
First, he argues that the chain of movers must have a first mover because nothing can move itself. (Moving here refers to any kind of change, not just change of place.) If the whole chain of moving things had no first mover, it could not now be moving, as it is. If there were an infinite regress of movers with no first mover, no motion could ever begin, and if it never began, it could not go on and exist now. But it does go on, it does exist now. Therefore it began, and therefore there is a first mover.
Second, he expands the proof from proving a cause of motion to proving a cause of existence, or efficient cause. He argues that if there were no first efficient cause, or cause of the universe's coming into being, then there could be no second causes because second causes (i.e., caused causes) are dependent on (i.e., caused by) a first cause (i.e., an uncaused cause). But there are second causes all around us. Therefore there must be a first cause.
Third, he argues that if there were no eternal, necessary, and immortal being, if everything had a possibility of not being, of ceasing to be, then eventually this possibility of ceasing to be would be realized for everything. In other words, if everything could die, then, given infinite time, everything would eventually die. But in that case nothing could start up again. We would have universal death, for a being that has ceased to exist cannot cause itself or anything else to begin to exist again. And if there is no God, then there must have been infinite time, the universe must have been here always, with no beginning, no first cause. But this universal death has not happened; things do exist! Therefore there must be a necessary being that cannot not be, cannot possibly cease to be. That is a description of God.
Fourth, there must also be a first cause of perfection or goodness or value. We rank things as more or less perfect or good or valuable. Unless this ranking is false and meaningless, unless souls don't really have any more perfection than slugs, there must be a real standard of perfection to make such a hierarchy possible, for a thing is ranked higher on the hierarchy of perfection only insofar as it is closer to the standard, the ideal, the most perfect. Unless there is a most-perfect being to be that real standard of perfection, all our value judgments are meaningless and impossible. Such a most-perfect being, or real ideal standard of perfection, is another description of God.
The First Cause Argument (Part 3)
Saint Thomas has four versions of this basic argument.
First, he argues that the chain of movers must have a first mover because nothing can move itself. (Moving here refers to any kind of change, not just change of place.) If the whole chain of moving things had no first mover, it could not now be moving, as it is. If there were an infinite regress of movers with no first mover, no motion could ever begin, and if it never began, it could not go on and exist now. But it does go on, it does exist now. Therefore it began, and therefore there is a first mover.
Second, he expands the proof from proving a cause of motion to proving a cause of existence, or efficient cause. He argues that if there were no first efficient cause, or cause of the universe's coming into being, then there could be no second causes because second causes (i.e., caused causes) are dependent on (i.e., caused by) a first cause (i.e., an uncaused cause). But there are second causes all around us. Therefore there must be a first cause.
Third, he argues that if there were no eternal, necessary, and immortal being, if everything had a possibility of not being, of ceasing to be, then eventually this possibility of ceasing to be would be realized for everything. In other words, if everything could die, then, given infinite time, everything would eventually die. But in that case nothing could start up again. We would have universal death, for a being that has ceased to exist cannot cause itself or anything else to begin to exist again. And if there is no God, then there must have been infinite time, the universe must have been here always, with no beginning, no first cause. But this universal death has not happened; things do exist! Therefore there must be a necessary being that cannot not be, cannot possibly cease to be. That is a description of God.
Fourth, there must also be a first cause of perfection or goodness or value. We rank things as more or less perfect or good or valuable. Unless this ranking is false and meaningless, unless souls don't really have any more perfection than slugs, there must be a real standard of perfection to make such a hierarchy possible, for a thing is ranked higher on the hierarchy of perfection only insofar as it is closer to the standard, the ideal, the most perfect. Unless there is a most-perfect being to be that real standard of perfection, all our value judgments are meaningless and impossible. Such a most-perfect being, or real ideal standard of perfection, is another description of God.
Its quite simple really....
1. All things that begin to exist have a cause
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This is an intriguing argument. But why doesn't it apply to God?
I know, I know, we are on to the supernatural and our scientific "laws" don't apply. How do we know? Then why does it have to be God that created the universe? Couldn't it just as easily be a supernatural entity we don't yet know of or understand? How can we claim to understand the supernatural? Does understanding the supernatural mean seeing a UFO or having an out of body experience? Not for me.
Explain how the supernatural can exist from nothing, but our world cannot.
Its quite simple really....
1. All things that begin to exist have a cause
________________
This is an intriguing argument. But why doesn't it apply to God?
I know, I know, we are on to the supernatural and our scientific "laws" don't apply. How do we know? Then why does it have to be God that created the universe? Couldn't it just as easily be a supernatural entity we don't yet know of or understand? How can we claim to understand the supernatural? Does understanding the supernatural mean seeing a UFO or having an out of body experience? Not for me.
Explain how the supernatural can exist from nothing, but our world cannot.
Its quite simple really....
1. All things that begin to exist have a cause
________________
This is an intriguing argument. But why doesn't it apply to God?
I know, I know, we are on to the supernatural and our scientific "laws" don't apply. How do we know? Then why does it have to be God that created the universe? Couldn't it just as easily be a supernatural entity we don't yet know of or understand? How can we claim to understand the supernatural? Does understanding the supernatural mean seeing a UFO or having an out of body experience? Not for me.
Explain how the supernatural can exist from nothing, but our world cannot.
Its quite simple really....
1. All things that begin to exist have a cause
________________
This is an intriguing argument. But why doesn't it apply to God?
I know, I know, we are on to the supernatural and our scientific "laws" don't apply. How do we know? Then why does it have to be God that created the universe? Couldn't it just as easily be a supernatural entity we don't yet know of or understand? How can we claim to understand the supernatural? Does understanding the supernatural mean seeing a UFO or having an out of body experience? Not for me.
Explain how the supernatural can exist from nothing, but our world cannot.
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