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Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


If by that something you mean coming into rational and logical thought, then that's what happened.  I don't hate god.  I don't blame god for anything.  God does not exist.  Nothing to hate and/or blame...

You don't realize it but your rational and logical thoughts are somewhat dysfunctional but it's not to say it is beyond repair.

There are enough evidences, such as philosophical, scientific, biblical, moralistic, to convince or persaude any normal rational, logical thinking mind that the existence of God is reasonable.

Perhaps someday you will be enlightened to see everything more clearly and again become a believer.

But right now you have made the choice of not believing which is fine. We all make choices, some choices are right and some are wrong and only on one occasion it will be neither right nor wrong because of lost of awareness.

In respect to believing or not believing in God, if God does exist we will all know if our choices were right or wrong after our physical deaths.

However if God does not exist then neither the believer nor the non-believer will know if the choice was right or wrong because they will not have any consciousness or awareness and will be as dead as a doorknob can be so to speak...lol

So I won't say anymore here and just let you ponder on what I have just said to you.

Lastly, to further illustrate to you that your rational and logical thoughts are somewhat dysfunctional would be to say, if you don't believe in something, how does a rational and logical thinking mind mock, ridicule, sneer at an object they don't believe in, I mean it doesn't make rational or logical sense...are you understanding this?...probably not eh?...lol
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Sugarbear19:


So do you or do you not think homosexuals should be put to death?

This is exactly the point i am making.....If you dont believe the Christian God exists, therefore his law doesnt exist, what does it matter to you?

It should be a mute point for you and all non believers.......

Like a simple computer algorithm......

If you dont believe God exists, Then, it doesnt matter to you what his law is......

You and other atheists are breaking the simple computing programming law.......

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

This is exactly the point i am making.....If you dont believe the Christian God exists, therefore his law doesnt exist, what does it matter to you?

It should be a mute point for you and all non believers.......

Like a simple computer algorithm......

If you dont believe God exists, Then, it doesnt matter to you what his law is......

You and other atheists are breaking the simple computing programming law.......



Are you serious?  Why would we care about this??  So it would be a good thing if a large number of people thought god wanted them to kill homosexuals?

This is one of the biggest reasons why the world would be a better place without organized religion.  It breeds hatred, racism, bigotry etc. on a massive scale.

If someone wants to believe in god and follow the teachings of Christ, then I'm all for it, but a lot of people think god wants them to kill homosexuals or kill Jewish people.  This isn't okay, Rostos.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

You don't realize it but your rational and logical thoughts are somewhat dysfunctional but it's not to say it is beyond repair.

There are enough evidences, such as philosophical, scientific, biblical, moralistic, to convince or persaude any normal rational, logical thinking mind that the existence of God is reasonable.

Perhaps someday you will be enlightened to see everything more clearly and again become a believer.

But right now you have made the choice of not believing which is fine. We all make choices, some choices are right and some are wrong and only on one occasion it will be neither right nor wrong because of lost of awareness.

In respect to believing or not believing in God, if God does exist we will all know if our choices were right or wrong after our physical deaths.

However if God does not exist then neither the believer nor the non-believer will know if the choice was right or wrong because they will not have any consciousness or awareness and will be as dead as a doorknob can be so to speak...lol

So I won't say anymore here and just let you ponder on what I have just said to you.

Lastly, to further illustrate to you that your rational and logical thoughts are somewhat dysfunctional would be to say, if you don't believe in something, how does a rational and logical thinking mind mock, ridicule, sneer at an object they don't believe in, I mean it doesn't make rational or logical sense...are you understanding this?...probably not eh?...lol


Appeal to motive...  Invalid argument...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Sugarbear19:


So do you or do you not think homosexuals should be put to death?

Like Rostos said, "This is exactly the point i am making.....If you dont believe the Christian God exists, therefore his law doesnt exist, what does it matter to you?It should be a mute point for you and all non believers.......Like a simple computer algorithm......If you dont believe God exists, Then, it doesnt matter to you what his law is......You and other atheists are breaking the simple computing programming law.......

But anyway I'll answer the question for you. One of the Ten Commandments is "Thou shalt not kill"

We are all sinners but we are all given the opportunity to repent our sins and ask for forgiveness. Jesus Christ our Lord Savior payed for all of the sins of mankind.

 Whoever believes in Him will have their sins forgiven. So it would be wrong to put to death any sinner to deny them the opportunity to redeem themselves, this goes for murderers, rapists, thieves, liars...all sinners besides homosexuals.

So with all this said, it would even be wrong to kill you  sugarbeets...  since you, yourself, are a sinner like everyone else.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



Are you serious?  Why would we care about this??  So it would be a good thing if a large number of people thought god wanted them to kill homosexuals?


This is one of the biggest reasons why the world would be a better place without organized religion.  It breeds hatred, racism, bigotry etc. on a massive scale.

If someone wants to believe in god and follow the teachings of Christ, then I'm all for it, but a lot of people think god wants them to kill homosexuals or kill Jewish people.  This isn't okay, Rostos.

Remember, i am only concerned with the Christian God, what the Islam law is, doesnt bother me because to me Islam doesnt exist. Now, tell me where Christians kill homosexuals in todays world based on Jesus' teaching? The old law was the old law in the OT. Jesus teaches to love one another no matter what. Thats what we Christians go by, the NT. Again, the old law was under the old law. It doesnt concern us ANYMORE.

You dont believe in the Christian God, so to you, you believe there wll be no judgement after you die, so it doesnt matter to you. Apart from Islamic countries, i dont know anywhere where they punish people for person sexual activity. If you have a gripe, have a go at Islam.

To put it into perspective, i have heard non believers bash homosexuals, because of there Homophobia.

Your equivocation of world religions is disgusting, putting all religion into the same basket. It is such a fallacious argument it isnt funny. Christianity and Islam couldnt be further apart.

Maybe if Stalin, Hitler and Pot were under a religion, there would have been 100 million more people living....

Your logic is so flawed you should be embarresed by it.

Again, your arguments have NOTHING to do with if God exists, as smoothd said, just Anti God.....

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



Appeal to motive...  Invalid argument...

I rest my case...lol

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Remember, i am only concerned with the Christian God, what the Islam law is, doesnt bother me because to me Islam doesnt exist. Now, tell me where Christians kill homosexuals in todays world based on Jesus' teaching? The old law was the old law in the OT. Jesus teaches to love one another no matter what. Thats what we Christians go by, the NT. Again, the old law was under the old law. It doesnt concern us ANYMORE.

I don't care what you concern yourself with.  A lot of people read the bible and think god wants them to kill homosexuals.

You dont believe in the Christian God, so to you, you believe there wll be no judgement after you die, so it doesnt matter to you. Apart from Islamic countries, i dont know anywhere where they punish people for person sexual activity. If you have a gripe, have a go at Islam.

I have a gripe against anyone who hates another person because they think their god or religion wants them to.

To put it into perspective, i have heard non believers bash homosexuals, because of there Homophobia.

Right, but those aren't the people running around with signs that say "god hates people".  I also don't condone the feelings of those non-believers, by the way.

Your equivocation of world religions is disgusting, putting all religion into the same basket. It is such a fallacious argument it isnt funny. Christianity and Islam couldnt be further apart.

For the 100th time, stop using equivocation because you don't know the meaning.  And considering the post I made was about organized religion, I can surely throw all organized religions into one basket.

Maybe if Stalin, Hitler and Pot were under a religion, there would have been 100 million more people living....

Your logic is so flawed you should be embarresed by it.

You should be embarrassed at your attempt to spell embarrassed.

Again, your arguments have NOTHING to do with if God exists, as smoothd said, just Anti God.....

When did I say this is an argument against god?  Okay I didn't.



 
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

I rest my case...lol


You don't understand logical fallacies like circular logic and appeal to motive, therefore you are a moron.  I rest my case.


 
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I'm not anti-god.  I'm anti-religion.
 
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The true tale of the tape of this thread is this. Matt4000 has given a virtual seminar on the existence of God and has gone to lengths to explain in detail every argument that you atheists have made. Other than Sugarbears feeble attempt, I have notice how none of you mental midget atheist have challenged Matt at all. After begging for evidence and proof this man has given you a smorgasbord of information and not a peep from you Cowards. I think that sums it up pretty much what the real deal is here. 
Mikniks- You have back pedaled more than Darrelle Revis on quite a few of your posts. You have been exposed for the fraud that you are. You don't know whether you're coming or going. Contradictory statements throughout this thread made by you. I think it's safe to say that you do this as a joke. Maybe this is a college project for you or something. You're as about as atheist as the Pope. Like I said before you're just Anti-God and thats your real issue. How you got to that dark place only God knows.
The rest of you atheist have lost complete credibility asking  the same questions repeatedly. Trying to dissect every word we tell you and at the same time completely ignoring Matt who has put it all out there for you. I don't agree with everything Matt has written especially the 6000 year Earth theory but I respect his attention to detail and he seems to be quite the biblical scholar. He's has given you guys everything you asked for and more and he goes unchallenged. What a bunch of jokers you guys have turned out to be. "Where is the proof"? "Where is the evidence"? Well Matt has given you more than you can chew and now we see the real deal. Just another example of your COWARDICE. Quite amazing actually.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



I don't care what you concern yourself with. A lot of people read the bible and think god wants them to kill homosexuals

If you can show me that Jesus Christ who is God, teaches us to kill homosexuals, i will agree with you. Just show me, and i will agree with you.

I have a gripe against anyone who hates another person because they think their god or religion wants them to.

Jesus Christ does not teach anyone to kill or hate anyone, cant you get that through your thick skull? Are you seriously that demented in the head?

Right, but those aren't the people running around with signs that say "god hates people". I also don't condone the feelings of those non-believers, by the way.

2 things.....

If those people are real Christians, then they would follow the bible and not pass judgement as is clealry instructed.

So, in your view, it is ok not to be a believer, go around and bash homosexuals because of homophbia, but it is not ok to put banners and signs up saying God hates person sexuals?

For the 100th time, stop using equivocation because you don't know the meaning. And considering the post I made was about organized religion, I can surely throw all organized religions into one basket.

Ok, then, if i used equivocation correctly and i dont know what it means, point out to me how i dont know what it means?

When did I say this is an argument against god? Okay I didn't

Thats the point, you dont believe in God, therefore his rules, yet you argue against them? You state an example about God teaching people to kill homosexuals which i have NEVER Seen a Christian kill a homosexual because God told them to yet you are mute when non believes bash homosexuals for fun......

You are so blind.....How does the old saying go? "A camel doesnt see its own hump".

 

 

 

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

This is exactly the point i am making.....If you dont believe the Christian God exists, therefore his law doesnt exist, what does it matter to you?

It should be a mute point for you and all non believers.......

Like a simple computer algorithm......

If you dont believe God exists, Then, it doesnt matter to you what his law is......

You and other atheists are breaking the simple computing programming law.......

non-believers see your theocratic encroachment everyday, you threaten our children with eternal damnation, you demand prayer in our public schools, you demand prayer in our legislative bodies, you get tax deductions for tithing, you influence our military, your cult and the other cults have started 99.979% of all wars. We do not take kind to this.

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Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


You don't understand logical fallacies like circular logic and appeal to motive, therefore you are a moron.  I rest my case.
 

 
Appeal to motive....invalid argument...lol
 
 
 
 
 
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non-believers see your theocratic encroachment everyday, you threaten our children with eternal damnation, you demand prayer in our public schools, you demand prayer in our legislative bodies, you get tax deductions for tithing, you influence our military, your cult and the other cults have started 99.979% of all wars. We do not take kind to this.

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Eternal damnation, ok, so you get taught, if you steal, murder, lie and rape etc etc, you will go to eternal damnation.? So what you are saying is, it is a bad thing to scare children that if they murder, steal , rape and lie they will suffer eternal damnation? 

Prayer in public schools, , prayer is a fantastic form of meditation whih relaxes the mind and body. Is that a bad thing? Maybe it is a good thing to take your mind off everything completely and relax and have some quiet thoughts from the stresses of everyday.

Tax deductions? Right so it is ok for charities to recieve tax breaks but it is not ok for Christian Churches who do numerous charity works tax breaks?.......I see now......

Cults and other cults start wars? Right, Stalin, Hitler and Pot who were ALL ATHEISTS killed over 100 million people between them, religion, cults etc, DONT EVEN COME CLOSE.....

That was a pretty pathetic attempt Records....You should be able to do better than that...

 

 
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maybe if Stalin, Hitler and Pot believed that they will suffer eternal damnation, they would not have killed over 100 million people.......

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

 
Appeal to motive....invalid argument...lol
 
 
 
 
No, his argument is not an appeal to motive. He was just pointing out your attempt at an answer is recognized as one of the traditional logical fallacies you believers keep rolling out as proof of god's existence, or to refute a valid, logical point. We understand you all are f%$^ing dumb. We will continue to point out your idiocy as long as you continue to parade it.
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

Correction: If you're going to say homosexuality is a genetic disorder then we might as well just say all perverted sexual acts are genetic disorders.

Very well may be. A genetic scientist, behavioral scientist, and probably a psychologist, sociologist, and biologist, would be a good starting point. If one had the inclination to ask, and probe a little to begin to understand. But with any work on learning, it would probably start with the reading of many books. Some may even be contradictory, so it would be hard work to go from no knowledge to being knowledgeable, but it can be done.
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Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

The true tale of the tape of this thread is this. Matt4000 has given a virtual seminar on the existence of God and has gone to lengths to explain in detail every argument that you atheists have made. Other than Sugarbears feeble attempt, I have notice how none of you mental midget atheist have challenged Matt at all. After begging for evidence and proof this man has given you a smorgasbord of information and not a peep from you Cowards. I think that sums it up pretty much what the real deal is here.


We just keep batting down the same arguments paraded again again. Your arguments are all logical fallacies which have been refuted for hundreds of years. Just because you are the new crop of idiots who have been shoveled these old tropes doesn't make them anymore valid then when they were first proved false reasoning.

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Eternal damnation, ok, so you get taught, if you steal, murder, lie and rape etc etc, you will go to eternal damnation.? So what you are saying is, it is a bad thing to scare children that if they murder, steal , rape and lie they will suffer eternal damnation? 

Prayer in public schools, , prayer is a fantastic form of meditation whih relaxes the mind and body. Is that a bad thing? Maybe it is a good thing to take your mind off everything completely and relax and have some quiet thoughts from the stresses of everyday.

Tax deductions? Right so it is ok for charities to recieve tax breaks but it is not ok for Christian Churches who do numerous charity works tax breaks?.......I see now......

Cults and other cults start wars? Right, Stalin, Hitler and Pot who were ALL ATHEISTS killed over 100 million people between them, religion, cults etc, DONT EVEN COME CLOSE.....

That was a pretty pathetic attempt Records....You should be able to do better than that...

 

ros and his twists...eternal damnation for not believing in your cult is bad for children

prayer does not work....try praying for no suffering....try praying for 1 year of no murdering.....try praying for the regrowth of a limb. 

What a disgrace to call Hitler an atheist...an insult to all atheists. Hitler was a catholic

Pol Pot was Theravad Buddhist

Pol study 1 year at a buddhist monastery and 8 years at a catholic school

Stalin was a paranoid who killed millions to consolidate his power. Totalitarianism, not atheism, was the driving force or causal link. Those who claim he was killing because of atheism conveniently ignore facts that show their claim to be bogus.

 Theists want to pretend that all the various elements of communist totalitarianism were irrelevant to what happened, which is utter nonsense.

 

 
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Matt4000 bombarded you guys with facts and not ONE of you Mental Midgets took him on. I rest my case!!! Thanks Matt4000! 
 
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Jagerfury-I'm still waiting for you to show me the post where I made racist statements against people of color and women. I can't find it please help.  This is just another case of how you atheist throw out wild accusations with no proof at all and then run away from it. Where I come from we call those lies actually what Jagerfury did is a Damn Lie!!! Let me know when you find that post.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

The true tale of the tape of this thread is this. Matt4000 has given a virtual seminar on the existence of God and has gone to lengths to explain in detail every argument that you atheists have made. Other than Sugarbears feeble attempt, I have notice how none of you mental midget atheist have challenged Matt at all. After begging for evidence and proof this man has given you a smorgasbord of information and not a peep from you Cowards. I think that sums it up pretty much what the real deal is here. 
Mikniks- You have back pedaled more than Darrelle Revis on quite a few of your posts. You have been exposed for the fraud that you are. You don't know whether you're coming or going. Contradictory statements throughout this thread made by you. I think it's safe to say that you do this as a joke. Maybe this is a college project for you or something. You're as about as atheist as the Pope. Like I said before you're just Anti-God and thats your real issue. How you got to that dark place only God knows.
The rest of you atheist have lost complete credibility asking  the same questions repeatedly. Trying to dissect every word we tell you and at the same time completely ignoring Matt who has put it all out there for you. I don't agree with everything Matt has written especially the 6000 year Earth theory but I respect his attention to detail and he seems to be quite the biblical scholar. He's has given you guys everything you asked for and more and he goes unchallenged. What a bunch of jokers you guys have turned out to be. "Where is the proof"? "Where is the evidence"? Well Matt has given you more than you can chew and now we see the real deal. Just another example of your COWARDICE. Quite amazing actually.


At least equivocation is a somewhat difficult word and I can understand why Rostos fails to use it correctly...but coward? HOW CAN YOU NOT KNOW WHAT THE WORD COWARD MEANS? Please tell me what the example of our cowardice is and WHY it demonstrates cowardice? I'd love to know. Oh and Matt has given exactly 0 pieces of evidence (although I respect his efforts) because it is all based on assumptions, not on fact, when, as I've said repeatedly, everything we say is based on fact, unless clearly designated as opinion.
 
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Mikniks- You have back pedaled more than Darrelle Revis on quite a few of your posts. You have been exposed for the fraud that you are. You don't know whether you're coming or going. Contradictory statements throughout this thread made by you. I think it's safe to say that you do this as a joke. Maybe this is a college project for you or something. You're as about as atheist as the Pope. Like I said before you're just Anti-God and thats your real issue. How you got to that dark place only God knows.

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Show me where I've "back pedaled".  Show me where I contradict myself.  I assure you I do not believe in a god.  I'm not an idiot, so I don't take things on faith...
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

Like Rostos said, "This is exactly the point i am making.....If you dont believe the Christian God exists, therefore his law doesnt exist, what does it matter to you?It should be a mute point for you and all non believers.......Like a simple computer algorithm......If you dont believe God exists, Then, it doesnt matter to you what his law is......You and other atheists are breaking the simple computing programming law.......

But anyway I'll answer the question for you. One of the Ten Commandments is "Thou shalt not kill"

We are all sinners but we are all given the opportunity to repent our sins and ask for forgiveness. Jesus Christ our Lord Savior payed for all of the sins of mankind.

 Whoever believes in Him will have their sins forgiven. So it would be wrong to put to death any sinner to deny them the opportunity to redeem themselves, this goes for murderers, rapists, thieves, liars...all sinners besides homosexuals.

So with all this said, it would even be wrong to kill you  sugarbeets...  since you, yourself, are a sinner like everyone else.


Do not mention repenting here because how does it apply? If I went to the store and bought groceries, should I repent? You would answer: of course not, that's not a sin. The purpose of that mundane example is to establish that you do not have to repent for things you do that are not sins.

Therefore (CAUTION: DEDUCTIVE LOGIC ALERT)

If an act requires repenting, it is a sin.
God does not like sinful acts.
If the act of homosexuality requires repenting, it is a sin.
God does not like sinful acts.
Therefore, god does not like homosexuality.

Alternatively

If the act of homosexuality does not require repenting, it is not a sin.
God has no problem with non-sinful acts.
Therefore, god has no problem with homosexuality.

So, which one of these logically sound and valid statements is true?
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