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SirJohnDrake

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2011 - 9:06 PM ET #3651

Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:

Show me where I've "back pedaled". Show me where I contradict myself. I assure you I do not believe in a god. I'm not an idiot, so I don't take things on faith...

Lies!...lies!...lies!....invalid arguments!...lol

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Rostos

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2011 - 9:12 PM ET #3652

Fallacy of equivocation.

A philosophy exam has a question "what is the definition of time"?

The student answers, "it is a magazine".

Fallacy of equivocation........

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SirJohnDrake

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2011 - 10:18 PM ET #3653

Quote Originally Posted by Sugarbear19:

Appeal to motive is a pattern of argument which consists in challenging a thesis by calling into question the motives of its proposer. It can be considered as a special case of the ad hominem circumstantial argument. As such, this type of argument may be a logical fallacy.

I love the fact that aside from the plagiarism, I still haven't had one legitimate attempt from anybody to answer my questions in SIMPLE TERMS so I don't have to spend hours dissecting every dumb sentence... and I could've sworn we were DEBATING something here, can we please stop questioning motives or getting off the subject? I wanna see some evidence, logic, SOMETHING... because right now all you have is blind faith and that's not gonna cut it and the end of the day

I'm exposing the fraud and hypocrite that you are for calling out and getting upset with Matt for plagiarizing when you are doing it yourself.

But the difference between you and Matt was that Matt did make a post saying he was getting his material from his website but you denied that your material comes from a website and you had challenged me to find a website that proves you are getting your material from them...well sir, I found a website and it appears what you wrote above is not your own material but a word for word copy of someone elses work...shame!...shame! I tell ya, it's hard to find honest, ethical people but hey I'm not at all surprised. Below is the link to the website.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_motive

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KittyKatz286

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2011 - 10:28 PM ET #3654

Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

I'm exposing the fraud and hypocrite that you are for calling out and getting upset with Matt for plagiarizing when you are doing it yourself.

But the difference between you and Matt was that Matt did make a post saying he was getting his material from his website but you denied that your material comes from a website and you had challenged me to find a website that proves you are getting your material from them...well sir, I found a website and it appears what you wrote above is not your own material but a word for word copy of someone elses work...shame!...shame! I tell ya, it's hard to find honest, ethical people but hey I'm not at all surprised. Below is the link to the website.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_motive

Umm - he copy pasted that link already, clearly admitting that he was using wikipedia - nice try though.

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Mikniks

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2011 - 10:32 PM ET #3655

Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

I'm exposing the fraud and hypocrite that you are for calling out and getting upset with Matt for plagiarizing when you are doing it yourself.

But the difference between you and Matt was that Matt did make a post saying he was getting his material from his website but you denied that your material comes from a website and you had challenged me to find a website that proves you are getting your material from them...well sir, I found a website and it appears what you wrote above is not your own material but a word for word copy of someone elses work...shame!...shame! I tell ya, it's hard to find honest, ethical people but hey I'm not at all surprised. Below is the link to the website.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_motive

Firstly, it was I who was falsely accused of plagiarizing.

Secondly, there are links in his post that immediately tells you where it came from.

Well done detective

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KittyKatz286

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2011 - 10:34 PM ET #3656

General question: How come god wrote the New Testament? What was wrong with the Old Testament? Why would god, an all perfect god, write a book that was so wrong that he needed to write an entirely new one to revise his mistakes?

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Mikniks

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2011 - 10:35 PM ET #3657

Quote Originally Posted by Slovak:

if we discover life on another planet does that prove that the bible is full of nonsense?

The fact that it's full of nonsense isn't proof enough that it's full of nonsense? Lol

I'll brb. I'm gonna go live in a whale. Lol

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SirJohnDrake

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2011 - 10:35 PM ET #3658

Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

Umm - he copy pasted that link already, clearly admitting that he was using wikipedia - nice try though.

It is still plagiarizing, can't deny that. So why did he get so upset with matt. You guys just don't make sense...lol

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KittyKatz286

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2011 - 10:40 PM ET #3659

Just answer my question.

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matt4000

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2011 - 10:47 PM ET #3660

Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

Matt4000 bombarded you guys with facts and not ONE of you Mental Midgets took him on. I rest my case!!!

Thanks Matt4000!

Thanks man! I really appreciate your kind words, it means a lot.

I clearly admit that I don't have all the answers, nor can we as believers ever have all the answers.

There are just some questions about God that we will never have an answer to and I think He wants it that way.

Also, some answers just aren't meant to be questioned and some questions just aren't meant to be answered.

All in all though the mysteries of life and the mysteries of God are worth seeking and I am glad to personally know the One who IS the ANSWER!!!

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matt4000

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2011 - 10:49 PM ET #3661

Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:

Prayer works?

I can't wait for the evidence for this...

I did give some examples on times when prayer has worked.

I gave them on Christmas Day.

I gave 2 men of God, from history.

I will re-post them.

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KittyKatz286

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2011 - 10:51 PM ET #3662

If prayer worked, it would work at a much higher % than it does, you know, % of times a prayer comes true is about the same amount of times coincidences occur...hmm...coincidence? i think not.

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2011 - 10:51 PM ET #3663

Prayer Works...

Smith Wigglesworth 1859-1947...Smith would pray and the blind would see, and the deaf were healed, people came out of wheelchairs, and cancers were destroyed.

One remarkable story is when He prayed for a woman in a hospital.

While he and a friend were praying she died. He took her out of the bed stood her against the wall and said "in the name of Jesus I rebuke this death". Her whole body began to tremble.

The he said "in the name of Jesus walk", and she walked. Everywhere he would go he would teach and then show the power of God. He began to receive requests from all over the world. He taught in Europe, Asia, New Zealand and many other areas. When the crowds became very large he began a "wholesale healing". He would have everyone who needed healing lay hands on themselves and then he would pray. Hundreds would be healed at one time.

Over Smith's ministry it was confirmed that 14 people were raised from the dead.

Thousands were saved and healed and he impacted whole continents for Christ. Smith died on March 12, 1947 at the funeral of his dear friend Wilf Richardson. His ministry was based on four principles:" First, read the Word of God. Second, consume the Word of God until it consumes you. Third believe the Word of God. Fourth, act on the Word."

John G. Lake 1870-1935...Over a five year period in South Africa Lake saw 1,000,000 converts, planted hundreds of churches, and raised up over 1000 local ministers.

In 1913 Lake returned to the United States, with his seven children.

Once he returned to the United States, he began a traveling ministry.

One of the places he was asked to speak was Spokane, Washington.

He was asked to start a healings room, and he agreed.

Over an approximately five year period, over 100,000 healings were reported. Spokane was declared "the healthiest city in the United States".

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SirJohnDrake

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2011 - 11:07 PM ET #3664

Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

Umm - he copy pasted that link already, clearly admitting that he was using wikipedia - nice try though.

Wow! I'm exposing more liars and frauds...lol You and your brother miknik are in the same boat as sugarbeets. There is no where he is admitting that he used his material from wikipedia...lol

What makes you guys think you can get away with lying on these threads when all a person has to do is go back and check.

That's why us believers can never take you atheists seriously. Just lies after lies...lol or sins after sins!

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KittyKatz286

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2011 - 11:11 PM ET #3665

Every single thing you've ever posted in this thread is founded on a lie, so...yeah lol

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KittyKatz286

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2011 - 11:11 PM ET #3666

ANSWER MY GODDAMN QUESTION!!!!!

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matt4000

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2011 - 11:19 PM ET #3667

Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

General question: How come god wrote the New Testament? What was wrong with the Old Testament? Why would god, an all perfect god, write a book that was so wrong that he needed to write an entirely new one to revise his mistakes?

There are many reasons.

I will just list some...

The writings of the disciples were not a part of the New Testament Scriptures when they were written.

But, again they were just letters! The writers weren't trying to write a book based on their beliefs,to be put into the canon of scripture.

They wrote down what they witnessed and put it into a letter.

They did this for many reasons, but just to cite a few.

They wrote these letters to testify to the truths of Christ, to encouarage, to instruct, to correct, to rebuke and to train in righteousness.

Their writings, in most cases were directed to either an individual or to entire Church or city.

Also, the disciples had nothing to gain by writing the accounts of Jesus and everything to lose, including for most...their lives!

All the writings didn't even become part of what we know as the bible today until many years later.

Also, The New Testament is the Word of God and is a continuation of the Old Testament, (which the NT calls the Word of God). And it is upon this fact that the truth of progressive revelation is built.

The New Testament points forward to Jesus and the that Old Testament points back to Jesus.

The New Testament is needed to help interpret the Old Testament.

Another reason would be that the the early church expected Jesus Christ to return soon, and this undoubtedly delayed the apostles' writing.

But as time progressed and He did not return, so the need arose to have a written record of Jesus' life and teaching and the history of redemption.

It was inevitable that the apostles would die, and with time the authority of the their teachings would be questioned and subject to being treated as legends and myths.

Because of this, which would surely result in doctrine issues, the need for an authoritative written Word was needed.