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    Posted: Dec. 29, 2011 - 11:49 PM ET #3676

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    That doesn't change the fact that bible says homosexuality is a sin, when it is in reality, NOT a sin, but merely a personal choice.

    You might find it an acceptable act a perfectly fine personal choice, but according to the Lord it is a detestable act  and so are the other 17 perverted sexual acts that are mentioned in the bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    That doesn't change the fact that bible says homosexuality is a sin, when it is in reality, NOT a sin, but merely a personal choice.

    You might find it an acceptable act a perfectly fine personal choice, but according to the Lord it is a detestable act  and so are the other 17 perverted sexual acts that are mentioned in the bible.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 29, 2011 - 11:56 PM ET #3677

    Sorry to mess up our discussion, but I must add this comment...

    This Baylor VS Washington game is ridiculous!!!
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    Sorry to mess up our discussion, but I must add this comment...

    This Baylor VS Washington game is ridiculous!!!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2011 - 12:02 AM ET #3678

    Quote Originally Posted by matt4000:

    Sorry to mess up our discussion, but I must add this comment...

    This Baylor VS Washington game is ridiculous!!!

    Haha I know - gonna put up 130 points
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt4000:

    Sorry to mess up our discussion, but I must add this comment...

    This Baylor VS Washington game is ridiculous!!!

    Haha I know - gonna put up 130 points
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2011 - 12:03 AM ET #3679

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    You might find it an acceptable act a perfectly fine personal choice, but according to the Lord it is a detestable act  and so are the other 17 perverted sexual acts that are mentioned in the bible.


    And I think that an all good god would respect personal sexual choices. Just my opinion though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    You might find it an acceptable act a perfectly fine personal choice, but according to the Lord it is a detestable act  and so are the other 17 perverted sexual acts that are mentioned in the bible.


    And I think that an all good god would respect personal sexual choices. Just my opinion though.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2011 - 12:08 AM ET #3680

    The Bible...

    Where by many in here claim that we can NOT use in our defense has had a positive influence in America.

    Some quick facts about the Bible...

    It has shaped many men and women of significance in our American history and our nation as a whole.

    It has helped bring about and effected our judicial system.

    It has effected our benevolent practices within our society.

    It has influenced our education system.

    It has supported us and helped bring about laws in establishing what we call a "family".

    It has influenced the market place on Sundays.

    It has made an impact on animal rights and ecology.

    It has influenced our traditions and culture within our society.

    Lastly, there are Preambles to State Constitutions based on the Bible's influence.


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    The Bible...

    Where by many in here claim that we can NOT use in our defense has had a positive influence in America.

    Some quick facts about the Bible...

    It has shaped many men and women of significance in our American history and our nation as a whole.

    It has helped bring about and effected our judicial system.

    It has effected our benevolent practices within our society.

    It has influenced our education system.

    It has supported us and helped bring about laws in establishing what we call a "family".

    It has influenced the market place on Sundays.

    It has made an impact on animal rights and ecology.

    It has influenced our traditions and culture within our society.

    Lastly, there are Preambles to State Constitutions based on the Bible's influence.


     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2011 - 12:11 AM ET #3681

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    So SJD, at what point did you CHOOSE to be straight? Can you tell me the moment in your life when you decided not to like men and to like women?

    Let me just answer you this way, when I was very young I instinctively knew that a woman was made for a man, this was even before I knew anything about the bible. How did I know this, well from being raised by my parents...a father and a mother and my father was always the boss of the household.

    As I was growing up I was always attracted to girls because of the beauty and gentleness that they possessed.

    And then began seeing guys with other guys and thought man...that is so odd. Why are they not with women, why are they choosing a guy over a woman. I thought surely this is a bad choice and not right.

    Then eventually I began to read the Holy Bible and sure enough, I found out I was right, it is a wrong choice, because to God it is a detestable sin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    So SJD, at what point did you CHOOSE to be straight? Can you tell me the moment in your life when you decided not to like men and to like women?

    Let me just answer you this way, when I was very young I instinctively knew that a woman was made for a man, this was even before I knew anything about the bible. How did I know this, well from being raised by my parents...a father and a mother and my father was always the boss of the household.

    As I was growing up I was always attracted to girls because of the beauty and gentleness that they possessed.

    And then began seeing guys with other guys and thought man...that is so odd. Why are they not with women, why are they choosing a guy over a woman. I thought surely this is a bad choice and not right.

    Then eventually I began to read the Holy Bible and sure enough, I found out I was right, it is a wrong choice, because to God it is a detestable sin.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2011 - 12:14 AM ET #3682

    Quote Originally Posted by matt4000:

    Sorry to mess up our discussion, but I must add this comment...

    This Baylor VS Washington game is ridiculous!!!

    Got Washington plus the points over here lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt4000:

    Sorry to mess up our discussion, but I must add this comment...

    This Baylor VS Washington game is ridiculous!!!

    Got Washington plus the points over here lol
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2011 - 12:14 AM ET #3683

    A few quotes about the Bible from some of our historical leaders.

     "It is impossible to enslave mentally or socially a Bible-reading people. The principles of the Bible are the groundwork of human freedom." Horace Greeley

    "It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible." George Washington

    "The existence of the Bible is a book for the people. It's the greatest benefit the human race has ever experienced. Every attempt to belittle it is a crime against humanity." Immanuel Kant

    "I believe the Bible is the best gift God has ever given to man." Abraham Lincoln

    "The Bible is worth all other books which have ever been printed." Patrick Henry

    "If we will not be governed by God, then we will be ruled by tyrants." William Penn

    "The Bible is the cornerstone of liberty...students' perusal of the sacred volume will make us better citizens, better fathers, and better husbands." Thomas Jefferson

    "There are more sure marks of authenticity in the Bible than in any profane history." .... "I have a fundamental belief in the Bible as the Word of God, written by men who were inspired. I study the Bible daily." Sir Isaac Newton

    "The New Testament is the very best book that ever was or ever will be known in the world." Charles Dickens



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    A few quotes about the Bible from some of our historical leaders.

     "It is impossible to enslave mentally or socially a Bible-reading people. The principles of the Bible are the groundwork of human freedom." Horace Greeley

    "It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible." George Washington

    "The existence of the Bible is a book for the people. It's the greatest benefit the human race has ever experienced. Every attempt to belittle it is a crime against humanity." Immanuel Kant

    "I believe the Bible is the best gift God has ever given to man." Abraham Lincoln

    "The Bible is worth all other books which have ever been printed." Patrick Henry

    "If we will not be governed by God, then we will be ruled by tyrants." William Penn

    "The Bible is the cornerstone of liberty...students' perusal of the sacred volume will make us better citizens, better fathers, and better husbands." Thomas Jefferson

    "There are more sure marks of authenticity in the Bible than in any profane history." .... "I have a fundamental belief in the Bible as the Word of God, written by men who were inspired. I study the Bible daily." Sir Isaac Newton

    "The New Testament is the very best book that ever was or ever will be known in the world." Charles Dickens



     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2011 - 12:14 AM ET #3684

    I am not gay, but I have spoken to gay people. I know gay people that have TRIED TO BE STRAIGHT and just couldn't do it. The idea of the opposite sex just didn't appeal to them. One even wished she could like guys, but couldn't. How is that a choice?
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    I am not gay, but I have spoken to gay people. I know gay people that have TRIED TO BE STRAIGHT and just couldn't do it. The idea of the opposite sex just didn't appeal to them. One even wished she could like guys, but couldn't. How is that a choice?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2011 - 12:18 AM ET #3685

    No one CHOOSES to be gay...  If you think that is the case you are very ignorant.
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    No one CHOOSES to be gay...  If you think that is the case you are very ignorant.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2011 - 12:18 AM ET #3686

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    Got Washington plus the points over here lol

     Looks like they should cover for you and may even win straight up!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    Got Washington plus the points over here lol

     Looks like they should cover for you and may even win straight up!!!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2011 - 12:21 AM ET #3687

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:

    No one CHOOSES to be gay...  If you think that is the case you are very ignorant.

    They definitely choose to be gay!!!

    I will not rule out a very minute chance that some may not, but I would say if there is a few, it is less than 1% of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:

    No one CHOOSES to be gay...  If you think that is the case you are very ignorant.

    They definitely choose to be gay!!!

    I will not rule out a very minute chance that some may not, but I would say if there is a few, it is less than 1% of them.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2011 - 12:22 AM ET #3688

    Quote Originally Posted by matt4000:


    They definitely choose to be gay!!!

    I will not rule out a very minute chance that some may not, but I would say if there is a few, it is less than 1% of them.

    bullshit...
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt4000:


    They definitely choose to be gay!!!

    I will not rule out a very minute chance that some may not, but I would say if there is a few, it is less than 1% of them.

    bullshit...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2011 - 12:26 AM ET #3689

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    bullshit...

    If it is not decision of their own volition, then how, or who took over their mind and heart and compelled them to be a homosexual?
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    bullshit...

    If it is not decision of their own volition, then how, or who took over their mind and heart and compelled them to be a homosexual?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2011 - 12:32 AM ET #3690

    Quote Originally Posted by matt4000:

    Prayer Works...

    Smith Wigglesworth 1859-1947...Smith would pray and the blind would see, and the deaf were healed, people came out of wheelchairs, and cancers were destroyed.

    One remarkable story is when He prayed for a woman in a hospital.

    While he and a friend were praying she died. He took her out of the bed stood her against the wall and said "in the name of Jesus I rebuke this death". Her whole body began to tremble.

    The he said "in the name of Jesus walk", and she walked. Everywhere he would go he would teach and then show the power of God. He began to receive requests from all over the world. He taught in Europe, Asia, New Zealand and many other areas. When the crowds became very large he began a "wholesale healing". He would have everyone who needed healing lay hands on themselves and then he would pray. Hundreds would be healed at one time.

    Over Smith's ministry it was confirmed that 14 people were raised from the dead.

    Thousands were saved and healed and he impacted whole continents for Christ. Smith died on March 12, 1947 at the funeral of his dear friend Wilf Richardson. His ministry was based on four principles:" First, read the Word of God. Second, consume the Word of God until it consumes you. Third believe the Word of God. Fourth, act on the Word."

    John G. Lake 1870-1935...Over a five year period in South Africa Lake saw 1,000,000 converts, planted hundreds of churches, and raised up over 1000 local ministers. 

    In 1913 Lake returned to the United States, with his seven children.

    Once he returned to the United States, he began a traveling ministry.

    One of the places he was asked to speak was Spokane, Washington. 

    He was asked to start a healings room, and he agreed.

    Over an approximately five year period, over 100,000 healings were reported. Spokane was declared "the healthiest city in the United States".






    these are just claims by people that want to believe. but, lets say they are true. why does only some prayer "work"?????? how come all the praying in the world will not grow a limb?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt4000:

    Prayer Works...

    Smith Wigglesworth 1859-1947...Smith would pray and the blind would see, and the deaf were healed, people came out of wheelchairs, and cancers were destroyed.

    One remarkable story is when He prayed for a woman in a hospital.

    While he and a friend were praying she died. He took her out of the bed stood her against the wall and said "in the name of Jesus I rebuke this death". Her whole body began to tremble.

    The he said "in the name of Jesus walk", and she walked. Everywhere he would go he would teach and then show the power of God. He began to receive requests from all over the world. He taught in Europe, Asia, New Zealand and many other areas. When the crowds became very large he began a "wholesale healing". He would have everyone who needed healing lay hands on themselves and then he would pray. Hundreds would be healed at one time.

    Over Smith's ministry it was confirmed that 14 people were raised from the dead.

    Thousands were saved and healed and he impacted whole continents for Christ. Smith died on March 12, 1947 at the funeral of his dear friend Wilf Richardson. His ministry was based on four principles:" First, read the Word of God. Second, consume the Word of God until it consumes you. Third believe the Word of God. Fourth, act on the Word."

    John G. Lake 1870-1935...Over a five year period in South Africa Lake saw 1,000,000 converts, planted hundreds of churches, and raised up over 1000 local ministers. 

    In 1913 Lake returned to the United States, with his seven children.

    Once he returned to the United States, he began a traveling ministry.

    One of the places he was asked to speak was Spokane, Washington. 

    He was asked to start a healings room, and he agreed.

    Over an approximately five year period, over 100,000 healings were reported. Spokane was declared "the healthiest city in the United States".






    these are just claims by people that want to believe. but, lets say they are true. why does only some prayer "work"?????? how come all the praying in the world will not grow a limb?????
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt4000:


    They definitely choose to be gay!!!

    I will not rule out a very minute chance that some may not, but I would say if there is a few, it is less than 1% of them.

    It's not a choice.  It's a combination of hormones, genetics, and the way a person is brought up.  No one can control their sexual preferences.  If you want to say that people attracted to the same sex can choose not to take part in homosexual acts, then that is one thing, but a person can't control how they feel.

    It's like saying a person chooses to be bipolar.
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    They definitely choose to be gay!!!

    I will not rule out a very minute chance that some may not, but I would say if there is a few, it is less than 1% of them.

    It's not a choice.  It's a combination of hormones, genetics, and the way a person is brought up.  No one can control their sexual preferences.  If you want to say that people attracted to the same sex can choose not to take part in homosexual acts, then that is one thing, but a person can't control how they feel.

    It's like saying a person chooses to be bipolar.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt4000:


    If it is not decision of their own volition, then how, or who took over their mind and heart and compelled them to be a homosexual?

    they were born that way...there was no time in your life when you consiously decided you would be attracted to women or men if that is what you like...
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    If it is not decision of their own volition, then how, or who took over their mind and heart and compelled them to be a homosexual?

    they were born that way...there was no time in your life when you consiously decided you would be attracted to women or men if that is what you like...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:

    No one CHOOSES to be gay...  If you think that is the case you are very ignorant.

    It's allright mik, you can still be a non believer in God and still admit that homosexuality is wrong and not a genetic disorder and so they weren't born that way and it's a choice.

    Don't worry we are not going to think you now believe in God...lol

    You made it so vividly clear to us in all your previous posts up to the present that you are a non believer but please don't tell us homosexuals are born that way.

    You might as well say all murderers are born to be killers, it is not their choice, they just can't help it because of this genetic disorder...lol

     

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    No one CHOOSES to be gay...  If you think that is the case you are very ignorant.

    It's allright mik, you can still be a non believer in God and still admit that homosexuality is wrong and not a genetic disorder and so they weren't born that way and it's a choice.

    Don't worry we are not going to think you now believe in God...lol

    You made it so vividly clear to us in all your previous posts up to the present that you are a non believer but please don't tell us homosexuals are born that way.

    You might as well say all murderers are born to be killers, it is not their choice, they just can't help it because of this genetic disorder...lol

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    these are just claims by people that want to believe. but, lets say they are true. why does only some prayer "work"?????? how come all the praying in the world will not grow a limb?????

    This is one of those VERY difficult questions to answer.

    And I don't think myself, you or anyone else will truly ever have a complete sound answer to this.

    First of all let me say that there is no one answer to this, but several.

    Also, due to different circumstances and different situations/people involved, there could be several answers to those questions as well.

    I will do my best to give you some answers and a short story about one of my friend's that died from cancer...

    I have some answers off of the top of my head, but let me think it through for a little bit first.
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    these are just claims by people that want to believe. but, lets say they are true. why does only some prayer "work"?????? how come all the praying in the world will not grow a limb?????

    This is one of those VERY difficult questions to answer.

    And I don't think myself, you or anyone else will truly ever have a complete sound answer to this.

    First of all let me say that there is no one answer to this, but several.

    Also, due to different circumstances and different situations/people involved, there could be several answers to those questions as well.

    I will do my best to give you some answers and a short story about one of my friend's that died from cancer...

    I have some answers off of the top of my head, but let me think it through for a little bit first.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    they were born that way...there was no time in your life when you consiously decided you would be attracted to women or men if that is what you like...

    Here is my post to that a few days ago, maybe we just see this differently and that is fine....
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    they were born that way...there was no time in your life when you consiously decided you would be attracted to women or men if that is what you like...

    Here is my post to that a few days ago, maybe we just see this differently and that is fine....
     
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    System,

    Homosexuality is NOT genetic.

    In this article, Dr. William Byne, a psychiatrist with a doctorate in biology, and Mr. Dave Parsons carefully analyzed all the major biological studies of homosexuality.

    They found none that definitively supported a biological theory of causation. 

    Author and sociologist Steven Goldberg, Ph.D., wrote,
    "Virtually all of the evidence argues against there being a determinative physiological causal factor and I know of no researcher who believes that such a determinative factor exists.

    Such factors play a predisposing, not a determinative role. I know of no one in the field who argues that homosexuality can be explained without reference to environmental factors." 

    Goldberg continued,
    Gay criticism has not addressed the classic family configuration; 

    it has merely asserted away the considerable evidence for the existence of family factors. Studies which attempt to disprove the existence of the classic family pattern in homosexuality are convincing only to those with a need to believe.

    In the Journal of Human Sexuality (1996), J. Satinover, M.D., wrote,
    There is no evidence that shows that homosexuality is genetic and none of the research itself claims there is. Only the press and certain researchers do, when speaking in soundbites to the public.

    The following quote is from Dr. Joel Gelemter of Yale University concerning the various studies attempting to link genes with complex human behavior.

    He said,
    All were announced with great fanfare; all were greeted unskeptically in the popular press; all are now in disrepute. 

    One of the studies in disrepute was conducted by Salk Institute researcher Simon LeVay.

    He studied the brains of 35 male cadavers and reported that the cluster of neurons called INAH3 in the hypothalamus was generally smaller in 19 of the 35 cadavers. Those 19 were known to be homosexuals. 

    The remaining 16 cadavers, who were reported to be heterosexual, displayed a larger neuron cluster.

    Mainstream media touted this research as a genetic link to homosexuality. Upon closer scrutiny, Mr. LeVay's research had at least three major flaws.

    First, the sample was too small. 

    Second, the sexual orientation of the 16 classified as heterosexual was highly suspect. Six of them died of AIDS. And third, it has never been proven that the hypothalamus has anything to do with sexual orientation. 

    In 1993, another study was conducted by Dean Hamer of the National Cancer Institute. He studied 40 pairs of homosexual brothers. 

    He discovered that 33 pairs had DNA markers in the same chromosome region known as Xq28. This study was heralded by a liberal media eager for this kind of scientific support that homosexuals are born that way, therefore legitimizing the lifestyle.

    The Hamer study has since been discredited.

    Besides the sample size being too small there was no heterosexual control group where markers may or may not have been found.

    A similar study was conducted later by George Ebers of the University of Western Ontario. His study had a much larger sample and it contradicted Hamer's conclusions.

    Eber reported his results and said they do not support an X-linked gene underlying male homosexuality.

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    System,

    Homosexuality is NOT genetic.

    In this article, Dr. William Byne, a psychiatrist with a doctorate in biology, and Mr. Dave Parsons carefully analyzed all the major biological studies of homosexuality.

    They found none that definitively supported a biological theory of causation. 

    Author and sociologist Steven Goldberg, Ph.D., wrote,
    "Virtually all of the evidence argues against there being a determinative physiological causal factor and I know of no researcher who believes that such a determinative factor exists.

    Such factors play a predisposing, not a determinative role. I know of no one in the field who argues that homosexuality can be explained without reference to environmental factors." 

    Goldberg continued,
    Gay criticism has not addressed the classic family configuration; 

    it has merely asserted away the considerable evidence for the existence of family factors. Studies which attempt to disprove the existence of the classic family pattern in homosexuality are convincing only to those with a need to believe.

    In the Journal of Human Sexuality (1996), J. Satinover, M.D., wrote,
    There is no evidence that shows that homosexuality is genetic and none of the research itself claims there is. Only the press and certain researchers do, when speaking in soundbites to the public.

    The following quote is from Dr. Joel Gelemter of Yale University concerning the various studies attempting to link genes with complex human behavior.

    He said,
    All were announced with great fanfare; all were greeted unskeptically in the popular press; all are now in disrepute. 

    One of the studies in disrepute was conducted by Salk Institute researcher Simon LeVay.

    He studied the brains of 35 male cadavers and reported that the cluster of neurons called INAH3 in the hypothalamus was generally smaller in 19 of the 35 cadavers. Those 19 were known to be homosexuals. 

    The remaining 16 cadavers, who were reported to be heterosexual, displayed a larger neuron cluster.

    Mainstream media touted this research as a genetic link to homosexuality. Upon closer scrutiny, Mr. LeVay's research had at least three major flaws.

    First, the sample was too small. 

    Second, the sexual orientation of the 16 classified as heterosexual was highly suspect. Six of them died of AIDS. And third, it has never been proven that the hypothalamus has anything to do with sexual orientation. 

    In 1993, another study was conducted by Dean Hamer of the National Cancer Institute. He studied 40 pairs of homosexual brothers. 

    He discovered that 33 pairs had DNA markers in the same chromosome region known as Xq28. This study was heralded by a liberal media eager for this kind of scientific support that homosexuals are born that way, therefore legitimizing the lifestyle.

    The Hamer study has since been discredited.

    Besides the sample size being too small there was no heterosexual control group where markers may or may not have been found.

    A similar study was conducted later by George Ebers of the University of Western Ontario. His study had a much larger sample and it contradicted Hamer's conclusions.

    Eber reported his results and said they do not support an X-linked gene underlying male homosexuality.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2011 - 12:43 AM ET #3697

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    It is still plagiarizing, can't deny that. So why did he get so upset with matt. You guys just don't make sense...lol

    So I guess me quoting an accepted definition of a word or phrase is now the same as somebody posting pages and pages of somebody ELSE'S logically inaccurate drivel and passing it off as his answer to a theoretical question....

    Over/under 24.5% of the words in this paragraph SJD understands
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    It is still plagiarizing, can't deny that. So why did he get so upset with matt. You guys just don't make sense...lol

    So I guess me quoting an accepted definition of a word or phrase is now the same as somebody posting pages and pages of somebody ELSE'S logically inaccurate drivel and passing it off as his answer to a theoretical question....

    Over/under 24.5% of the words in this paragraph SJD understands
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt4000:

    System,

    Homosexuality is NOT genetic.

    In this article, Dr. William Byne, a psychiatrist with a doctorate in biology, and Mr. Dave Parsons carefully analyzed all the major biological studies of homosexuality.

    They found none that definitively supported a biological theory of causation. 

    Author and sociologist Steven Goldberg, Ph.D., wrote,
    "Virtually all of the evidence argues against there being a determinative physiological causal factor and I know of no researcher who believes that such a determinative factor exists.

    Such factors play a predisposing, not a determinative role. I know of no one in the field who argues that homosexuality can be explained without reference to environmental factors." 

    Goldberg continued,
    Gay criticism has not addressed the classic family configuration; 

    it has merely asserted away the considerable evidence for the existence of family factors. Studies which attempt to disprove the existence of the classic family pattern in homosexuality are convincing only to those with a need to believe.

    In the Journal of Human Sexuality (1996), J. Satinover, M.D., wrote,
    There is no evidence that shows that homosexuality is genetic and none of the research itself claims there is. Only the press and certain researchers do, when speaking in soundbites to the public.

    The following quote is from Dr. Joel Gelemter of Yale University concerning the various studies attempting to link genes with complex human behavior.

    He said,
    All were announced with great fanfare; all were greeted unskeptically in the popular press; all are now in disrepute. 

    One of the studies in disrepute was conducted by Salk Institute researcher Simon LeVay.

    He studied the brains of 35 male cadavers and reported that the cluster of neurons called INAH3 in the hypothalamus was generally smaller in 19 of the 35 cadavers. Those 19 were known to be homosexuals. 

    The remaining 16 cadavers, who were reported to be heterosexual, displayed a larger neuron cluster.

    Mainstream media touted this research as a genetic link to homosexuality. Upon closer scrutiny, Mr. LeVay's research had at least three major flaws.

    First, the sample was too small. 

    Second, the sexual orientation of the 16 classified as heterosexual was highly suspect. Six of them died of AIDS. And third, it has never been proven that the hypothalamus has anything to do with sexual orientation. 

    In 1993, another study was conducted by Dean Hamer of the National Cancer Institute. He studied 40 pairs of homosexual brothers. 

    He discovered that 33 pairs had DNA markers in the same chromosome region known as Xq28. This study was heralded by a liberal media eager for this kind of scientific support that homosexuals are born that way, therefore legitimizing the lifestyle.

    The Hamer study has since been discredited. (Do you know the value negative evidence has in the scientific community? I'll give you a hint... not much)

    Besides the sample size being too small there was no heterosexual control group where markers may or may not have been found.

    A similar study was conducted later by George Ebers of the University of Western Ontario. His study had a much larger sample and it contradicted Hamer's conclusions.

    Eber reported his results and said they do not support an X-linked gene underlying male homosexuality.

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    System,

    Homosexuality is NOT genetic.

    In this article, Dr. William Byne, a psychiatrist with a doctorate in biology, and Mr. Dave Parsons carefully analyzed all the major biological studies of homosexuality.

    They found none that definitively supported a biological theory of causation. 

    Author and sociologist Steven Goldberg, Ph.D., wrote,
    "Virtually all of the evidence argues against there being a determinative physiological causal factor and I know of no researcher who believes that such a determinative factor exists.

    Such factors play a predisposing, not a determinative role. I know of no one in the field who argues that homosexuality can be explained without reference to environmental factors." 

    Goldberg continued,
    Gay criticism has not addressed the classic family configuration; 

    it has merely asserted away the considerable evidence for the existence of family factors. Studies which attempt to disprove the existence of the classic family pattern in homosexuality are convincing only to those with a need to believe.

    In the Journal of Human Sexuality (1996), J. Satinover, M.D., wrote,
    There is no evidence that shows that homosexuality is genetic and none of the research itself claims there is. Only the press and certain researchers do, when speaking in soundbites to the public.

    The following quote is from Dr. Joel Gelemter of Yale University concerning the various studies attempting to link genes with complex human behavior.

    He said,
    All were announced with great fanfare; all were greeted unskeptically in the popular press; all are now in disrepute. 

    One of the studies in disrepute was conducted by Salk Institute researcher Simon LeVay.

    He studied the brains of 35 male cadavers and reported that the cluster of neurons called INAH3 in the hypothalamus was generally smaller in 19 of the 35 cadavers. Those 19 were known to be homosexuals. 

    The remaining 16 cadavers, who were reported to be heterosexual, displayed a larger neuron cluster.

    Mainstream media touted this research as a genetic link to homosexuality. Upon closer scrutiny, Mr. LeVay's research had at least three major flaws.

    First, the sample was too small. 

    Second, the sexual orientation of the 16 classified as heterosexual was highly suspect. Six of them died of AIDS. And third, it has never been proven that the hypothalamus has anything to do with sexual orientation. 

    In 1993, another study was conducted by Dean Hamer of the National Cancer Institute. He studied 40 pairs of homosexual brothers. 

    He discovered that 33 pairs had DNA markers in the same chromosome region known as Xq28. This study was heralded by a liberal media eager for this kind of scientific support that homosexuals are born that way, therefore legitimizing the lifestyle.

    The Hamer study has since been discredited. (Do you know the value negative evidence has in the scientific community? I'll give you a hint... not much)

    Besides the sample size being too small there was no heterosexual control group where markers may or may not have been found.

    A similar study was conducted later by George Ebers of the University of Western Ontario. His study had a much larger sample and it contradicted Hamer's conclusions.

    Eber reported his results and said they do not support an X-linked gene underlying male homosexuality.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2011 - 12:48 AM ET #3699

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    these are just claims by people that want to believe. but, lets say they are true. why does only some prayer "work"?????? how come all the praying in the world will not grow a limb?????

    I forgot to mention...

    That there are testimonies all over the internet and Christian forums and in history of limbs growing back.

    Obviously if you type "miracle testimony of limbs growing back" in a search engine. There are tons of testimonies out there and some videos to.

    Problem is it is the internet and a lot of the stories are 2nd hand information.

    Also, i am still thinking through your question about "why does only some prayer work?"
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    these are just claims by people that want to believe. but, lets say they are true. why does only some prayer "work"?????? how come all the praying in the world will not grow a limb?????

    I forgot to mention...

    That there are testimonies all over the internet and Christian forums and in history of limbs growing back.

    Obviously if you type "miracle testimony of limbs growing back" in a search engine. There are tons of testimonies out there and some videos to.

    Problem is it is the internet and a lot of the stories are 2nd hand information.

    Also, i am still thinking through your question about "why does only some prayer work?"
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    It's allright mik, you can still be a non believer in God and still admit that homosexuality is wrong and not a genetic disorder and so they weren't born that way and it's a choice.

    Don't worry we are not going to think you now believe in God...lol

    You made it so vividly clear to us in all your previous posts up to the present that you are a non believer but please don't tell us homosexuals are born that way.

    You might as well say all murderers are born to be killers, it is not their choice, they just can't help it because of this genetic disorder...lol

     


    Go up to a gay person and ask him if he chose to be gay or if he was born that way, he'll tell you.
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    It's allright mik, you can still be a non believer in God and still admit that homosexuality is wrong and not a genetic disorder and so they weren't born that way and it's a choice.

    Don't worry we are not going to think you now believe in God...lol

    You made it so vividly clear to us in all your previous posts up to the present that you are a non believer but please don't tell us homosexuals are born that way.

    You might as well say all murderers are born to be killers, it is not their choice, they just can't help it because of this genetic disorder...lol

     


    Go up to a gay person and ask him if he chose to be gay or if he was born that way, he'll tell you.
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