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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2011 - 3:50 PM ET #3751

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:

    Rostos, stop saying we can't talk about what people think are god's laws.  When billions of people believe something it affects me.  How does it matter if I believe in god or not?  If I care about society, then I don't want billions of people thinking it is okay to bash homosexuals or in some cases hurt or kill them.

    Why is this hard for you to understand?  I don't believe in god, but if society does, it is my concern when these people go gay bashing because they think god gives them that right.  I don't want to hear about "true christians".  Most people aren't true christians.

    I am concerned about the advancement of the human race and we won't make it too far, because people think god gives them the right to do things they shouldn't.

    I DON'T CARE WHAT PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO THINK!!  THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY THINK!!!

    Your response can't be: "True christians wouldn't do that.".  I'm not worried about true christians.  I'm worried about the billions that aren't true christians.

    and pretend christians, which is the majority...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:

    Rostos, stop saying we can't talk about what people think are god's laws.  When billions of people believe something it affects me.  How does it matter if I believe in god or not?  If I care about society, then I don't want billions of people thinking it is okay to bash homosexuals or in some cases hurt or kill them.

    Why is this hard for you to understand?  I don't believe in god, but if society does, it is my concern when these people go gay bashing because they think god gives them that right.  I don't want to hear about "true christians".  Most people aren't true christians.

    I am concerned about the advancement of the human race and we won't make it too far, because people think god gives them the right to do things they shouldn't.

    I DON'T CARE WHAT PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO THINK!!  THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY THINK!!!

    Your response can't be: "True christians wouldn't do that.".  I'm not worried about true christians.  I'm worried about the billions that aren't true christians.

    and pretend christians, which is the majority...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2011 - 6:37 PM ET #3752

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    I am saying it is WRONG for god to make homosexuality a sin. Racism is not a quality a god should have.

    I really dont think you know what you are saying, i really dont.

    First of all, i dont know what you are talking about in regards to racism and God, there is no connection there. But that is a bit rich coming from you and your friends....So let me get this straight......I am not allowed to call people a black c###, so and so......but you are allowed to bash my God. So i not allowed to racially bash someone, but you and your friends are allowed to religiously bash us? Oh, how the hypocrisy. You people are pathetic.

    Secondly, your statement "WRONG for god to make homosexuality a sin", is so wrong on so many levels.

    You are making an admission that God exists, otherwise, the statement is no sequitor. Therefore God exists, who are you or anyone to say if his laws are wrong? You are not taking into considertaion the gravty of the definition of God

    This is why it is such a stupid and illogical topic to talk about Gods laws with athests, it is ridicolous.

    How can you now talk about what rules an imaginary figure (to you) should have or not have......That is the most stupid thing i have ever heard...

    have a good listen to yourselves...

    Imagine me going on a big foot forum and arguing with big foot believers what colours big foot should be?

    Its like all the big foot believers saying that big foot is black, but i say not he isnt, he has to be blue........I mean seriously?

    You keep on talking about the impact of God and homosexuality on homosexuals......I dont know about you, but i see the biggest issue homosexuals have is when they have to tell family and friends. If they are Christian, then this is absolutely no different to any other Christian who has to make a decision if they are going to have sex outside marriage......

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    I am saying it is WRONG for god to make homosexuality a sin. Racism is not a quality a god should have.

    I really dont think you know what you are saying, i really dont.

    First of all, i dont know what you are talking about in regards to racism and God, there is no connection there. But that is a bit rich coming from you and your friends....So let me get this straight......I am not allowed to call people a black c###, so and so......but you are allowed to bash my God. So i not allowed to racially bash someone, but you and your friends are allowed to religiously bash us? Oh, how the hypocrisy. You people are pathetic.

    Secondly, your statement "WRONG for god to make homosexuality a sin", is so wrong on so many levels.

    You are making an admission that God exists, otherwise, the statement is no sequitor. Therefore God exists, who are you or anyone to say if his laws are wrong? You are not taking into considertaion the gravty of the definition of God

    This is why it is such a stupid and illogical topic to talk about Gods laws with athests, it is ridicolous.

    How can you now talk about what rules an imaginary figure (to you) should have or not have......That is the most stupid thing i have ever heard...

    have a good listen to yourselves...

    Imagine me going on a big foot forum and arguing with big foot believers what colours big foot should be?

    Its like all the big foot believers saying that big foot is black, but i say not he isnt, he has to be blue........I mean seriously?

    You keep on talking about the impact of God and homosexuality on homosexuals......I dont know about you, but i see the biggest issue homosexuals have is when they have to tell family and friends. If they are Christian, then this is absolutely no different to any other Christian who has to make a decision if they are going to have sex outside marriage......

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2011 - 6:51 PM ET #3753

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Here's the difference: if a muslim doesn't wanna eat pork (another retarded rule), then that harms NO ONE. If your god wants to persecute homosexuals, that HARMS HOMOSEXUALS. How is that fair?

    Lets look at this in detail to point out how irrational your arguments are

    1. You dont believe God exists, therefore, when homosexuals die, to you they will not be judged. Therefore, to you, no impact on homoseuxals. There is no need for you to feel sorry for them in this regard.

    2. The impact on homosexuality in our world. Yes, there are religious people who put signs and slogans saying they are going to burn in hell, but to you, that shouldnt be a worry to you because you dont believe that. For the homosexual themselves, if they are Christian, then they are being pointed out how they are breaking one of Gods laws, but that is not different to Christians standing on the side of the road and putting up signs saying you will burn in hell for adulterers...It is no different, why is there such a defense for homosexuals here and not for adulterers? They both break Gods laws......

    3. I have heard and seen non believers bash homosexuals simply because of there homophobia, they just dont like gays.

    So in conclusion, the impact of Gods law on homosexuality for the atheist, is next to nothing, so why does it bother you? I mean, a few people put up a few posters, so what, this is no different to any other protester.......

    If you believe God exists, then it becomes a totally different issue, you may want to tell them that the bible says it is a sin, but it doesnt mean you are a better person than them, and you certainly dont have the right to judge or condemn them....

    The deal you and your atheistic friends have made this out to be, considering you dont believe is staggering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Here's the difference: if a muslim doesn't wanna eat pork (another retarded rule), then that harms NO ONE. If your god wants to persecute homosexuals, that HARMS HOMOSEXUALS. How is that fair?

    Lets look at this in detail to point out how irrational your arguments are

    1. You dont believe God exists, therefore, when homosexuals die, to you they will not be judged. Therefore, to you, no impact on homoseuxals. There is no need for you to feel sorry for them in this regard.

    2. The impact on homosexuality in our world. Yes, there are religious people who put signs and slogans saying they are going to burn in hell, but to you, that shouldnt be a worry to you because you dont believe that. For the homosexual themselves, if they are Christian, then they are being pointed out how they are breaking one of Gods laws, but that is not different to Christians standing on the side of the road and putting up signs saying you will burn in hell for adulterers...It is no different, why is there such a defense for homosexuals here and not for adulterers? They both break Gods laws......

    3. I have heard and seen non believers bash homosexuals simply because of there homophobia, they just dont like gays.

    So in conclusion, the impact of Gods law on homosexuality for the atheist, is next to nothing, so why does it bother you? I mean, a few people put up a few posters, so what, this is no different to any other protester.......

    If you believe God exists, then it becomes a totally different issue, you may want to tell them that the bible says it is a sin, but it doesnt mean you are a better person than them, and you certainly dont have the right to judge or condemn them....

    The deal you and your atheistic friends have made this out to be, considering you dont believe is staggering.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2011 - 6:51 PM ET #3754

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    I really dont think you know what you are saying, i really dont.

    First of all, i dont know what you are talking about in regards to racism and God, there is no connection there. But that is a bit rich coming from you and your friends....So let me get this straight......I am not allowed to call people a black c###, so and so......but you are allowed to bash my God. So i not allowed to racially bash someone, but you and your friends are allowed to religiously bash us? Oh, how the hypocrisy. You people are pathetic.

    Secondly, your statement "WRONG for god to make homosexuality a sin", is so wrong on so many levels.

    You are making an admission that God exists, otherwise, the statement is no sequitor. Therefore God exists, who are you or anyone to say if his laws are wrong? You are not taking into considertaion the gravty of the definition of God

    This is why it is such a stupid and illogical topic to talk about Gods laws with athests, it is ridicolous.

    How can you now talk about what rules an imaginary figure (to you) should have or not have......That is the most stupid thing i have ever heard...

    have a good listen to yourselves...

    Imagine me going on a big foot forum and arguing with big foot believers what colours big foot should be?

    Its like all the big foot believers saying that big foot is black, but i say not he isnt, he has to be blue........I mean seriously?

    You keep on talking about the impact of God and homosexuality on homosexuals......I dont know about you, but i see the biggest issue homosexuals have is when they have to tell family and friends. If they are Christian, then this is absolutely no different to any other Christian who has to make a decision if they are going to have sex outside marriage......

     


    WHAT PEOPLE THINK GOD WANTS THEM TO DO AFFECTS US!!!  WHY IS THIS DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND?!?!?

    IF EVERYONE BELIEVES IN BIGFOOT AND THINKS BIGFOOT WANTS THEM TO GO KILL PEOPLE WOULD THIS NOT CONCERN YOU IF YOU DIDN'T BELIEVE IN BIGFOOT?!?

    GOD DOES NOT EXIST, BUT PEOPLE THINK HE DOES, AND THOSE PEOPLE THINK GOD WANTS THEM TO DO BAD THINGS!!

    THIS AFFECTS EVERYONE WHETHER THEY BELIEVE OR NOT!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    I really dont think you know what you are saying, i really dont.

    First of all, i dont know what you are talking about in regards to racism and God, there is no connection there. But that is a bit rich coming from you and your friends....So let me get this straight......I am not allowed to call people a black c###, so and so......but you are allowed to bash my God. So i not allowed to racially bash someone, but you and your friends are allowed to religiously bash us? Oh, how the hypocrisy. You people are pathetic.

    Secondly, your statement "WRONG for god to make homosexuality a sin", is so wrong on so many levels.

    You are making an admission that God exists, otherwise, the statement is no sequitor. Therefore God exists, who are you or anyone to say if his laws are wrong? You are not taking into considertaion the gravty of the definition of God

    This is why it is such a stupid and illogical topic to talk about Gods laws with athests, it is ridicolous.

    How can you now talk about what rules an imaginary figure (to you) should have or not have......That is the most stupid thing i have ever heard...

    have a good listen to yourselves...

    Imagine me going on a big foot forum and arguing with big foot believers what colours big foot should be?

    Its like all the big foot believers saying that big foot is black, but i say not he isnt, he has to be blue........I mean seriously?

    You keep on talking about the impact of God and homosexuality on homosexuals......I dont know about you, but i see the biggest issue homosexuals have is when they have to tell family and friends. If they are Christian, then this is absolutely no different to any other Christian who has to make a decision if they are going to have sex outside marriage......

     


    WHAT PEOPLE THINK GOD WANTS THEM TO DO AFFECTS US!!!  WHY IS THIS DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND?!?!?

    IF EVERYONE BELIEVES IN BIGFOOT AND THINKS BIGFOOT WANTS THEM TO GO KILL PEOPLE WOULD THIS NOT CONCERN YOU IF YOU DIDN'T BELIEVE IN BIGFOOT?!?

    GOD DOES NOT EXIST, BUT PEOPLE THINK HE DOES, AND THOSE PEOPLE THINK GOD WANTS THEM TO DO BAD THINGS!!

    THIS AFFECTS EVERYONE WHETHER THEY BELIEVE OR NOT!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2011 - 6:55 PM ET #3755

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Lets look at this in detail to point out how irrational your arguments are

    1. You dont believe God exists, therefore, when homosexuals die, to you they will not be judged. Therefore, to you, no impact on homoseuxals. There is no need for you to feel sorry for them in this regard.

    2. The impact on homosexuality in our world. Yes, there are religious people who put signs and slogans saying they are going to burn in hell, but to you, that shouldnt be a worry to you because you dont believe that. For the homosexual themselves, if they are Christian, then they are being pointed out how they are breaking one of Gods laws, but that is not different to Christians standing on the side of the road and putting up signs saying you will burn in hell for adulterers...It is no different, why is there such a defense for homosexuals here and not for adulterers? They both break Gods laws......

    3. I have heard and seen non believers bash homosexuals simply because of there homophobia, they just dont like gays.

    So in conclusion, the impact of Gods law on homosexuality for the atheist, is next to nothing, so why does it bother you? I mean, a few people put up a few posters, so what, this is no different to any other protester.......

    If you believe God exists, then it becomes a totally different issue, you may want to tell them that the bible says it is a sin, but it doesnt mean you are a better person than them, and you certainly dont have the right to judge or condemn them....

    The deal you and your atheistic friends have made this out to be, considering you dont believe is staggering.


    This isn't just about homosexuality.  That is one example.  This isn't just about christianity either.  This is about all organized religions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Lets look at this in detail to point out how irrational your arguments are

    1. You dont believe God exists, therefore, when homosexuals die, to you they will not be judged. Therefore, to you, no impact on homoseuxals. There is no need for you to feel sorry for them in this regard.

    2. The impact on homosexuality in our world. Yes, there are religious people who put signs and slogans saying they are going to burn in hell, but to you, that shouldnt be a worry to you because you dont believe that. For the homosexual themselves, if they are Christian, then they are being pointed out how they are breaking one of Gods laws, but that is not different to Christians standing on the side of the road and putting up signs saying you will burn in hell for adulterers...It is no different, why is there such a defense for homosexuals here and not for adulterers? They both break Gods laws......

    3. I have heard and seen non believers bash homosexuals simply because of there homophobia, they just dont like gays.

    So in conclusion, the impact of Gods law on homosexuality for the atheist, is next to nothing, so why does it bother you? I mean, a few people put up a few posters, so what, this is no different to any other protester.......

    If you believe God exists, then it becomes a totally different issue, you may want to tell them that the bible says it is a sin, but it doesnt mean you are a better person than them, and you certainly dont have the right to judge or condemn them....

    The deal you and your atheistic friends have made this out to be, considering you dont believe is staggering.


    This isn't just about homosexuality.  That is one example.  This isn't just about christianity either.  This is about all organized religions.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2011 - 6:56 PM ET #3756

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    WHAT PEOPLE THINK GOD WANTS THEM TO DO AFFECTS US!!!  WHY IS THIS DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND?!?!?

    IF EVERYONE BELIEVES IN BIGFOOT AND THINKS BIGFOOT WANTS THEM TO GO KILL PEOPLE WOULD THIS NOT CONCERN YOU IF YOU DIDN'T BELIEVE IN BIGFOOT?!?

    GOD DOES NOT EXIST, BUT PEOPLE THINK HE DOES, AND THOSE PEOPLE THINK GOD WANTS THEM TO DO BAD THINGS!!

    THIS AFFECTS EVERYONE WHETHER THEY BELIEVE OR NOT!

    How many cases have you heard in the past 100 years where Christians have bashed or killed gays because the bible told them to?

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    WHAT PEOPLE THINK GOD WANTS THEM TO DO AFFECTS US!!!  WHY IS THIS DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND?!?!?

    IF EVERYONE BELIEVES IN BIGFOOT AND THINKS BIGFOOT WANTS THEM TO GO KILL PEOPLE WOULD THIS NOT CONCERN YOU IF YOU DIDN'T BELIEVE IN BIGFOOT?!?

    GOD DOES NOT EXIST, BUT PEOPLE THINK HE DOES, AND THOSE PEOPLE THINK GOD WANTS THEM TO DO BAD THINGS!!

    THIS AFFECTS EVERYONE WHETHER THEY BELIEVE OR NOT!

    How many cases have you heard in the past 100 years where Christians have bashed or killed gays because the bible told them to?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Lets look at this in detail to point out how irrational your arguments are

    1. You dont believe God exists, therefore, when homosexuals die, to you they will not be judged. Therefore, to you, no impact on homoseuxals. There is no need for you to feel sorry for them in this regard.

    2. The impact on homosexuality in our world. Yes, there are religious people who put signs and slogans saying they are going to burn in hell, but to you, that shouldnt be a worry to you because you dont believe that. For the homosexual themselves, if they are Christian, then they are being pointed out how they are breaking one of Gods laws, but that is not different to Christians standing on the side of the road and putting up signs saying you will burn in hell for adulterers...It is no different, why is there such a defense for homosexuals here and not for adulterers? They both break Gods laws......

    3. I have heard and seen non believers bash homosexuals simply because of there homophobia, they just dont like gays.

    So in conclusion, the impact of Gods law on homosexuality for the atheist, is next to nothing, so why does it bother you? I mean, a few people put up a few posters, so what, this is no different to any other protester.......

    If you believe God exists, then it becomes a totally different issue, you may want to tell them that the bible says it is a sin, but it doesnt mean you are a better person than them, and you certainly dont have the right to judge or condemn them....

    The deal you and your atheistic friends have made this out to be, considering you dont believe is staggering.


    Next to nothing? It impacts EVERYONE. It impacts HUMAN BEINGS. What is so hard to understand? This has NOTHING TO DO WITH MY ATHEISM. If people think that it's ok to persecute homosexuals because they think the bible told them to or they think god hates gays, then that is a problem that affects EVERYONE. Why can't you address this? Why do you keep ducking behind the fact that I don't believe in god?
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    Lets look at this in detail to point out how irrational your arguments are

    1. You dont believe God exists, therefore, when homosexuals die, to you they will not be judged. Therefore, to you, no impact on homoseuxals. There is no need for you to feel sorry for them in this regard.

    2. The impact on homosexuality in our world. Yes, there are religious people who put signs and slogans saying they are going to burn in hell, but to you, that shouldnt be a worry to you because you dont believe that. For the homosexual themselves, if they are Christian, then they are being pointed out how they are breaking one of Gods laws, but that is not different to Christians standing on the side of the road and putting up signs saying you will burn in hell for adulterers...It is no different, why is there such a defense for homosexuals here and not for adulterers? They both break Gods laws......

    3. I have heard and seen non believers bash homosexuals simply because of there homophobia, they just dont like gays.

    So in conclusion, the impact of Gods law on homosexuality for the atheist, is next to nothing, so why does it bother you? I mean, a few people put up a few posters, so what, this is no different to any other protester.......

    If you believe God exists, then it becomes a totally different issue, you may want to tell them that the bible says it is a sin, but it doesnt mean you are a better person than them, and you certainly dont have the right to judge or condemn them....

    The deal you and your atheistic friends have made this out to be, considering you dont believe is staggering.


    Next to nothing? It impacts EVERYONE. It impacts HUMAN BEINGS. What is so hard to understand? This has NOTHING TO DO WITH MY ATHEISM. If people think that it's ok to persecute homosexuals because they think the bible told them to or they think god hates gays, then that is a problem that affects EVERYONE. Why can't you address this? Why do you keep ducking behind the fact that I don't believe in god?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    How many cases have you heard in the past 100 years where Christians have bashed or killed gays because the bible told them to?

    Are you serious? Gays are bashed every day all over the world because of peoples' belief in the bible

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    How many cases have you heard in the past 100 years where Christians have bashed or killed gays because the bible told them to?

    Are you serious? Gays are bashed every day all over the world because of peoples' belief in the bible

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by daysbtwin:

    Are you serious? Gays are bashed every day all over the world because of peoples' belief in the bible


    don't be surprised, he's living in his own little bubble...
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    Are you serious? Gays are bashed every day all over the world because of peoples' belief in the bible


    don't be surprised, he's living in his own little bubble...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    don't be surprised, he's living in his own little bubble...

    He lives in Australia.  He doesn't live in the real world.

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    don't be surprised, he's living in his own little bubble...

    He lives in Australia.  He doesn't live in the real world.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by daysbtwin:

    Are you serious? Gays are bashed every day all over the world because of peoples' belief in the bible

    And i have ALSO seen gays bashed by NON BELIVERS PURELY FROM HOMOPHOBIA......Or is that exempt? You conviniently left that one out didnt you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daysbtwin:

    Are you serious? Gays are bashed every day all over the world because of peoples' belief in the bible

    And i have ALSO seen gays bashed by NON BELIVERS PURELY FROM HOMOPHOBIA......Or is that exempt? You conviniently left that one out didnt you.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    Next to nothing? It impacts EVERYONE. It impacts HUMAN BEINGS. What is so hard to understand? This has NOTHING TO DO WITH MY ATHEISM. If people think that it's ok to persecute homosexuals because they think the bible told them to or they think god hates gays, then that is a problem that affects EVERYONE. Why can't you address this? Why do you keep ducking behind the fact that I don't believe in god?

    Give me examples where Gays are killed purely from the Christianity belief....

    Dont be like Daysbtwn and say, "are you serious" without giving evidence.....

     

     

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    Next to nothing? It impacts EVERYONE. It impacts HUMAN BEINGS. What is so hard to understand? This has NOTHING TO DO WITH MY ATHEISM. If people think that it's ok to persecute homosexuals because they think the bible told them to or they think god hates gays, then that is a problem that affects EVERYONE. Why can't you address this? Why do you keep ducking behind the fact that I don't believe in god?

    Give me examples where Gays are killed purely from the Christianity belief....

    Dont be like Daysbtwn and say, "are you serious" without giving evidence.....

     

     

     
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    How come, me , SJD, Matt, and Offensive are not going around persecuting, bashing and killing gays? Why is that? Or my family, extended family, ALL my Christian friends, anyone from my church, why not? Why dont we have have any urges to kill homosexuals?

    "Thou shall not kill"

    "Love one another as i have loved you"

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    How come, me , SJD, Matt, and Offensive are not going around persecuting, bashing and killing gays? Why is that? Or my family, extended family, ALL my Christian friends, anyone from my church, why not? Why dont we have have any urges to kill homosexuals?

    "Thou shall not kill"

    "Love one another as i have loved you"

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    How come, me , SJD, Matt, and Offensive are not going around persecuting, bashing and killing gays? Why is that? Or my family, extended family, ALL my Christian friends, anyone from my church, why not? Why dont we have have any urges to kill homosexuals?

    "Thou shall not kill"

    "Love one another as i have loved you"


    you better speak for yourself...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    How come, me , SJD, Matt, and Offensive are not going around persecuting, bashing and killing gays? Why is that? Or my family, extended family, ALL my Christian friends, anyone from my church, why not? Why dont we have have any urges to kill homosexuals?

    "Thou shall not kill"

    "Love one another as i have loved you"


    you better speak for yourself...
     
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    If i am a Christian and Christianity trains and teaches to kills gays, how come, me, my family or friends have never done this and i consider myself a practicing Christian?
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    If i am a Christian and Christianity trains and teaches to kills gays, how come, me, my family or friends have never done this and i consider myself a practicing Christian?
     
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    Homosexuality and the death penalty from the Old Testament:

    The Mosaic Law prescribed the death penalty not only for homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13), but also for kidnapping (Exodus 21:16), bestiality (Exodus 22:19; Leviticus 20:15-16), murder (Exodus 21:12), adultery (Leviticus 20:10), prostitution and rape (Deuteronomy 22:24), out-of-control teen rebellion (Deuteronomy 21:18-21), witchcraft (Leviticus 20:27) and the list goes on and on.

    It is completely incorrect to say that the Bible calls for stoning gays or lesbians, and to leave out the numerous other offenses that were assigned the death penalty in the Old Testament. 

    The children of Israel were subjected to very strict laws with often very severe penalties. This was just a part of the prescribed lifestyle for being a part of God’s “chosen people.”

    Though the laws were very strict, God often showed mercy. 

    King David, for example, was not required to be stoned to death after committing adultery and conspiring to commit murder. 

    And, actually despite all the penalties laid out in the Law, there are few recorded examples of these punishments being carried out.

    Sin violates God’s Truth and accompanies consequences. 

    The purpose of the Mosaic Law wasn’t to give governments the power to selectively apply harsh penalties to unpopular groups within their society.

    But, rather for everyone to see the messy, widespread, and severe consequences of sin.
    It was also to make people graphically feel and see those consequences. 

    This also explains part of the reason for the practice of animal sacrifice.

    What about the story of the woman caught in adultery?

    What she did what punishable by death.

    Jesus, however, refused to let the crowd stone her to death, unless one could step forward, claiming to have no sin. This story, clearly shows God’s Mercy in John Chapter 8.

    According to God's laws...homosexuality falls in the same category as the principles seen in John 8. (Described as sin).

    Homosexuality is a “sin,” just as Jesus didn't hesitate to call adultery a “sin.” 

    Yet, Jesus showed the woman mercy, then went on to tell her “Go and sin no more.” (John 8:11). 

    The Bible, in both the Old and New Testaments, describes homosexuality as sinful (Romans 1:26-27).

    Whether we like it or not, the Bible states that homosexuality is morally wrong. 

    It is not bigoted or hateful for a Christian to point this out, just as it’s not bigoted or hateful for a Christian to point out that the Bible teaches that adultery is sin and that children should obey their parents.

    Lastly, if a person wishes to pursue the gay and lesbian lifestyle, they should not face persecution, mistreatment or brutality for it.

    And, all of us who live in the United States, which is a civilized nation should respect the rights of individuals whether they are gay or not.





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    Homosexuality and the death penalty from the Old Testament:

    The Mosaic Law prescribed the death penalty not only for homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13), but also for kidnapping (Exodus 21:16), bestiality (Exodus 22:19; Leviticus 20:15-16), murder (Exodus 21:12), adultery (Leviticus 20:10), prostitution and rape (Deuteronomy 22:24), out-of-control teen rebellion (Deuteronomy 21:18-21), witchcraft (Leviticus 20:27) and the list goes on and on.

    It is completely incorrect to say that the Bible calls for stoning gays or lesbians, and to leave out the numerous other offenses that were assigned the death penalty in the Old Testament. 

    The children of Israel were subjected to very strict laws with often very severe penalties. This was just a part of the prescribed lifestyle for being a part of God’s “chosen people.”

    Though the laws were very strict, God often showed mercy. 

    King David, for example, was not required to be stoned to death after committing adultery and conspiring to commit murder. 

    And, actually despite all the penalties laid out in the Law, there are few recorded examples of these punishments being carried out.

    Sin violates God’s Truth and accompanies consequences. 

    The purpose of the Mosaic Law wasn’t to give governments the power to selectively apply harsh penalties to unpopular groups within their society.

    But, rather for everyone to see the messy, widespread, and severe consequences of sin.
    It was also to make people graphically feel and see those consequences. 

    This also explains part of the reason for the practice of animal sacrifice.

    What about the story of the woman caught in adultery?

    What she did what punishable by death.

    Jesus, however, refused to let the crowd stone her to death, unless one could step forward, claiming to have no sin. This story, clearly shows God’s Mercy in John Chapter 8.

    According to God's laws...homosexuality falls in the same category as the principles seen in John 8. (Described as sin).

    Homosexuality is a “sin,” just as Jesus didn't hesitate to call adultery a “sin.” 

    Yet, Jesus showed the woman mercy, then went on to tell her “Go and sin no more.” (John 8:11). 

    The Bible, in both the Old and New Testaments, describes homosexuality as sinful (Romans 1:26-27).

    Whether we like it or not, the Bible states that homosexuality is morally wrong. 

    It is not bigoted or hateful for a Christian to point this out, just as it’s not bigoted or hateful for a Christian to point out that the Bible teaches that adultery is sin and that children should obey their parents.

    Lastly, if a person wishes to pursue the gay and lesbian lifestyle, they should not face persecution, mistreatment or brutality for it.

    And, all of us who live in the United States, which is a civilized nation should respect the rights of individuals whether they are gay or not.





     
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    YOU FUCKING MORONS - I DON'T CARE WHAT ELSE THE BIBLE SAYS SHOULD BE PUNISHABLE BY DEATH. HOMOSEXUALITY SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHABLE AT ALL.
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    Can't believe this thread is still going........


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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    YOU FUCKING MORONS - I DON'T CARE WHAT ELSE THE BIBLE SAYS SHOULD BE PUNISHABLE BY DEATH. HOMOSEXUALITY SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHABLE AT ALL.

    My last post was actually a response to mikniks post #3754.

    I started a new post with my comment, because I knew my response wouldn't fit, combined with his post.
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    YOU FUCKING MORONS - I DON'T CARE WHAT ELSE THE BIBLE SAYS SHOULD BE PUNISHABLE BY DEATH. HOMOSEXUALITY SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHABLE AT ALL.

    My last post was actually a response to mikniks post #3754.

    I started a new post with my comment, because I knew my response wouldn't fit, combined with his post.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    YOU FUCKING MORONS - I DON'T CARE WHAT ELSE THE BIBLE SAYS SHOULD BE PUNISHABLE BY DEATH. HOMOSEXUALITY SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHABLE AT ALL.

    I could make a huge list of things that I disagree with in the Bible as well as a huge list of things that I do not think should be punishable.

    I actually agree with you on this one.

    The problem with me was that the more I thought about things that I disagreed with, the more frustrated that I got and my heart was getting hardened toward God and life.

    But, this was happening when I first became a Christian. So, at the time, I didn't really know God's character, was very ignorant to the Scriptures and the Bible was very confusing to me. (I actually thought that it constantly contradicted itself.


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    YOU FUCKING MORONS - I DON'T CARE WHAT ELSE THE BIBLE SAYS SHOULD BE PUNISHABLE BY DEATH. HOMOSEXUALITY SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHABLE AT ALL.

    I could make a huge list of things that I disagree with in the Bible as well as a huge list of things that I do not think should be punishable.

    I actually agree with you on this one.

    The problem with me was that the more I thought about things that I disagreed with, the more frustrated that I got and my heart was getting hardened toward God and life.

    But, this was happening when I first became a Christian. So, at the time, I didn't really know God's character, was very ignorant to the Scriptures and the Bible was very confusing to me. (I actually thought that it constantly contradicted itself.


     
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    Just because your particular church doesnt teach gay persecution doesnt mean there arent many churches which use the bible to teach hate.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html

    https://www.africanactivist.org/2011/07/ghanas-western-region-minister-orders.html

    https://www.mambaonline.com/article.asp?artid=4153

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    Just because your particular church doesnt teach gay persecution doesnt mean there arent many churches which use the bible to teach hate.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html

    https://www.africanactivist.org/2011/07/ghanas-western-region-minister-orders.html

    https://www.mambaonline.com/article.asp?artid=4153

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



    GOD DOES NOT EXIST, BUT PEOPLE THINK HE DOES, AND THOSE PEOPLE THINK GOD WANTS THEM TO DO BAD THINGS!!

    THIS AFFECTS EVERYONE WHETHER THEY BELIEVE OR NOT!

    Invalid arguments posed by you.

    My faith tells me God does exist. Furthermore practicing Christians know God does not want them to do bad things. They follow and obey the Ten Commandments.

    It is you a non believer who is misinterpreting the bible believing it is telling people to do bad things.

    Both of your arguments are invalid and can't be substantiated with evidence to prove your premises that He does not exist and people who do believe in Him, think He wants them to do bad things.

    Get over your phobia you silly former Christian because it is irrational thoughts haunting that dysfunctional mind of yours.

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    GOD DOES NOT EXIST, BUT PEOPLE THINK HE DOES, AND THOSE PEOPLE THINK GOD WANTS THEM TO DO BAD THINGS!!

    THIS AFFECTS EVERYONE WHETHER THEY BELIEVE OR NOT!

    Invalid arguments posed by you.

    My faith tells me God does exist. Furthermore practicing Christians know God does not want them to do bad things. They follow and obey the Ten Commandments.

    It is you a non believer who is misinterpreting the bible believing it is telling people to do bad things.

    Both of your arguments are invalid and can't be substantiated with evidence to prove your premises that He does not exist and people who do believe in Him, think He wants them to do bad things.

    Get over your phobia you silly former Christian because it is irrational thoughts haunting that dysfunctional mind of yours.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slovak:

    if we discover life on another planet does that prove that the bible is full of nonsense?

    Very good question. The Scriptures do not directly address the question of alien beings. The Bible does not explicitly confirm or deny the existence of intelligent life from other planets.

    Although the subject is not addressed explicitly, the Bible teaches implicitly that the only things He created with intelligence are the angels, man, and the animals.The implication of Scripture is that there are no other intelligent beings besides man, animals, and the angels.

    So I doubt that we will discover life on another planet but again as I have said the bible does not explicity confirm or deny the existence of intelligent life from other planets so He could very well have just animals on another planet...who knows?

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    if we discover life on another planet does that prove that the bible is full of nonsense?

    Very good question. The Scriptures do not directly address the question of alien beings. The Bible does not explicitly confirm or deny the existence of intelligent life from other planets.

    Although the subject is not addressed explicitly, the Bible teaches implicitly that the only things He created with intelligence are the angels, man, and the animals.The implication of Scripture is that there are no other intelligent beings besides man, animals, and the angels.

    So I doubt that we will discover life on another planet but again as I have said the bible does not explicity confirm or deny the existence of intelligent life from other planets so He could very well have just animals on another planet...who knows?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    But homosexual acts are not immoral.

    That is your perspective or point of view, and I just can't understand how you can take that view. I agree with the Lord, it is a detestable sin and so it is immoral.

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    But homosexual acts are not immoral.

    That is your perspective or point of view, and I just can't understand how you can take that view. I agree with the Lord, it is a detestable sin and so it is immoral.

     
     
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by Rostos]

    How many cases have you heard in the past 100 years where Christians have bashed or killed gays because the bible told them to?

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    As usual mik avoids a very good question posed by you to him. Let me answer for him.....0 cases.

    His arguments are so irrational and we will continue to point that out everytime he makes an invalid argument.

    He doesn't understand since salvation was given to all sinners, we all have an opportunity to redeem ourselves and so it is wrong for anyone to be the jury, the judge, and the executioner of any sinner and besides we are all sinners ourselves and so who are we to judge...it is God's job to judge us all.

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by Rostos]

    How many cases have you heard in the past 100 years where Christians have bashed or killed gays because the bible told them to?

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    As usual mik avoids a very good question posed by you to him. Let me answer for him.....0 cases.

    His arguments are so irrational and we will continue to point that out everytime he makes an invalid argument.

    He doesn't understand since salvation was given to all sinners, we all have an opportunity to redeem ourselves and so it is wrong for anyone to be the jury, the judge, and the executioner of any sinner and besides we are all sinners ourselves and so who are we to judge...it is God's job to judge us all.

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