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    Posted: Jan. 2, 2012 - 7:30 PM ET #4051

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    I know its irrelevant to the wager, but the atheists have been saying that it is false because of the impact it has on the persons real life,

    The proponants of Pascals wager state you should believe in God because if you are wrong, you lose nothing, the atheists response is, well yes there is, you do lose something, ie, time for prayer, donations to the church, changing your moral compass to fit the 10 commandments etc etc  

    As i have shown with Hayne and Hamilton, this is a fallacious argument.


    No, we have been saying it is negative - not false. (although we believe it is false, just not for that reason)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    I know its irrelevant to the wager, but the atheists have been saying that it is false because of the impact it has on the persons real life,

    The proponants of Pascals wager state you should believe in God because if you are wrong, you lose nothing, the atheists response is, well yes there is, you do lose something, ie, time for prayer, donations to the church, changing your moral compass to fit the 10 commandments etc etc  

    As i have shown with Hayne and Hamilton, this is a fallacious argument.


    No, we have been saying it is negative - not false. (although we believe it is false, just not for that reason)
     
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    Posted: Jan. 2, 2012 - 7:38 PM ET #4052

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    No, we have been saying it is negative - not false. (although we believe it is false, just not for that reason)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaMjUeuaJ0k

    These guys dont seem to think so

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    No, we have been saying it is negative - not false. (although we believe it is false, just not for that reason)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaMjUeuaJ0k

    These guys dont seem to think so

     
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    Posted: Jan. 2, 2012 - 7:44 PM ET #4053

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaMjUeuaJ0k

    These guys dont seem to think so

    Nope, they think its stupid too.  Way to argue the same bullshit on their site though rostos1978.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaMjUeuaJ0k

    These guys dont seem to think so

    Nope, they think its stupid too.  Way to argue the same bullshit on their site though rostos1978.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 2, 2012 - 7:49 PM ET #4054

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    My evidence that god doesn't exist is that there is no evidence that one does exist.

    You don't even understand logical fallacies because your brain can't grasp them.  Quite comical really...

    I want to apologize if I have ever said that I have "proof" that God exists... because quite frankly, none of us can prove, scientifically, that God exists... for us as humans to be able to do that would put us on the level, intellectually, as God; and that cannot and will not happen. Now, I, as well as other people in this thread, have shown reasonable and credible reasons as to why God exists. Now it is up to you and whoever else to accept those reasons and believe for yourself. It's a matter of choice... if you choose to accept it, then great... if not, so be it... But I will not say I have PROOF that God exists... I will just point out reasons that point to God's existence... and it is up to you to accept or reject them... doesn't hurt me in any way... I have just been trying to help 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    My evidence that god doesn't exist is that there is no evidence that one does exist.

    You don't even understand logical fallacies because your brain can't grasp them.  Quite comical really...

    I want to apologize if I have ever said that I have "proof" that God exists... because quite frankly, none of us can prove, scientifically, that God exists... for us as humans to be able to do that would put us on the level, intellectually, as God; and that cannot and will not happen. Now, I, as well as other people in this thread, have shown reasonable and credible reasons as to why God exists. Now it is up to you and whoever else to accept those reasons and believe for yourself. It's a matter of choice... if you choose to accept it, then great... if not, so be it... But I will not say I have PROOF that God exists... I will just point out reasons that point to God's existence... and it is up to you to accept or reject them... doesn't hurt me in any way... I have just been trying to help 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 2, 2012 - 7:52 PM ET #4055

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Is that really an answer? Read your answer, you said nothing but verbal diorreah........

    The fact that you cannot comprehend the post does not make it verbal "diorreah."  Maybe one of the other posters will explain it to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Is that really an answer? Read your answer, you said nothing but verbal diorreah........

    The fact that you cannot comprehend the post does not make it verbal "diorreah."  Maybe one of the other posters will explain it to you.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 2, 2012 - 9:54 PM ET #4056

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    General question: How come god wrote the New Testament? What was wrong with the Old Testament? Why would god, an all perfect god, write a book that was so wrong that he needed to write an entirely new one to revise his mistakes?

    This a typical question coming from an atheist having a wrong impression and not understanding the Holy Bible.

     So let me help clear up this misconception of yours that I'm sure others share as well. This misunderstanding happens when you have not read the Holy Bible and have no knowledge of what it is all about and so you form misconceptions.

    The Old Testament lays the foundation for the teachings and events found in the New Testament. The Bible is a progressive revelation.

    Try skipping the first half of any book that you read, you will no doubt have a hard time understanding the characters, the plot, and the ending.

    In the same way, the New Testament is only completely understood when it is seen as a fulfillment of the events, characters, laws, sacrificial system, covenants, and promises of the Old Testament.

    If we only had the New Testament, we would come to the gospels and not know why the person were looking for a Messiah (a Savior King).

    Without the Old Testament, we would not understand why this Messiah was coming (see Isaiah 53), and we would not have been able to identify Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah through the many detailed prophecies that were given concerning Him, e.g., His birthplace (Micah 5:2); His manner of death (Psalm 22, especially vv. 1, 7-8, 14-18; Psalm 69:21), His resurrection (Psalm 16:10), and many more details of His ministry ( Isaiah 52:19, 9:2).

    The New Testament Gospels and the Acts of the apostles record many of the fulfillments of prophecies that were recorded hundreds of years earlier in the Old Testament.

     In the circumstances of Jesus' birth, life, miracles, death, and resurrection as found in the Gospels, we find the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies that relate to the Messiah's first coming.

    In summary, the Old Testament lays the foundation for, and was meant to prepare the Israelites for, the coming of the Messiah who would sacrifice Himself for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2).

    Both testaments reveal the same holy, merciful, and righteous God who must condemn sin but who desires to bring to Himself a fallen human race of sinners through the forgiveness only possible through Christ's atoning sacrifice.

     In both testaments, God reveals Himself to us and how we are to come to Him through Jesus Christ. In both testaments, we find all we need for eternal life and godly living (2 Timothy 3:15-17).

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    General question: How come god wrote the New Testament? What was wrong with the Old Testament? Why would god, an all perfect god, write a book that was so wrong that he needed to write an entirely new one to revise his mistakes?

    This a typical question coming from an atheist having a wrong impression and not understanding the Holy Bible.

     So let me help clear up this misconception of yours that I'm sure others share as well. This misunderstanding happens when you have not read the Holy Bible and have no knowledge of what it is all about and so you form misconceptions.

    The Old Testament lays the foundation for the teachings and events found in the New Testament. The Bible is a progressive revelation.

    Try skipping the first half of any book that you read, you will no doubt have a hard time understanding the characters, the plot, and the ending.

    In the same way, the New Testament is only completely understood when it is seen as a fulfillment of the events, characters, laws, sacrificial system, covenants, and promises of the Old Testament.

    If we only had the New Testament, we would come to the gospels and not know why the person were looking for a Messiah (a Savior King).

    Without the Old Testament, we would not understand why this Messiah was coming (see Isaiah 53), and we would not have been able to identify Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah through the many detailed prophecies that were given concerning Him, e.g., His birthplace (Micah 5:2); His manner of death (Psalm 22, especially vv. 1, 7-8, 14-18; Psalm 69:21), His resurrection (Psalm 16:10), and many more details of His ministry ( Isaiah 52:19, 9:2).

    The New Testament Gospels and the Acts of the apostles record many of the fulfillments of prophecies that were recorded hundreds of years earlier in the Old Testament.

     In the circumstances of Jesus' birth, life, miracles, death, and resurrection as found in the Gospels, we find the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies that relate to the Messiah's first coming.

    In summary, the Old Testament lays the foundation for, and was meant to prepare the Israelites for, the coming of the Messiah who would sacrifice Himself for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2).

    Both testaments reveal the same holy, merciful, and righteous God who must condemn sin but who desires to bring to Himself a fallen human race of sinners through the forgiveness only possible through Christ's atoning sacrifice.

     In both testaments, God reveals Himself to us and how we are to come to Him through Jesus Christ. In both testaments, we find all we need for eternal life and godly living (2 Timothy 3:15-17).

     
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    Posted: Jan. 2, 2012 - 10:12 PM ET #4057

    No offense SJD, but that doesn't really help. I'd have to read both to fully understand and I have no desire to do that.
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    No offense SJD, but that doesn't really help. I'd have to read both to fully understand and I have no desire to do that.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    This a typical question coming from an atheist having a wrong impression and not understanding the Holy Bible.

     So let me help clear up this misconception of yours that I'm sure others share as well. This misunderstanding happens when you have not read the Holy Bible and have no knowledge of what it is all about and so you form misconceptions.

    The Old Testament lays the foundation for the teachings and events found in the New Testament. The Bible is a progressive revelation.

    Try skipping the first half of any book that you read, you will no doubt have a hard time understanding the characters, the plot, and the ending.

    In the same way, the New Testament is only completely understood when it is seen as a fulfillment of the events, characters, laws, sacrificial system, covenants, and promises of the Old Testament.

    If we only had the New Testament, we would come to the gospels and not know why the person were looking for a Messiah (a Savior King).

    Without the Old Testament, we would not understand why this Messiah was coming (see Isaiah 53), and we would not have been able to identify Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah through the many detailed prophecies that were given concerning Him, e.g., His birthplace (Micah 5:2); His manner of death (Psalm 22, especially vv. 1, 7-8, 14-18; Psalm 69:21), His resurrection (Psalm 16:10), and many more details of His ministry ( Isaiah 52:19, 9:2).

    The New Testament Gospels and the Acts of the apostles record many of the fulfillments of prophecies that were recorded hundreds of years earlier in the Old Testament.

     In the circumstances of Jesus' birth, life, miracles, death, and resurrection as found in the Gospels, we find the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies that relate to the Messiah's first coming.

    In summary, the Old Testament lays the foundation for, and was meant to prepare the Israelites for, the coming of the Messiah who would sacrifice Himself for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2).

    Both testaments reveal the same holy, merciful, and righteous God who must condemn sin but who desires to bring to Himself a fallen human race of sinners through the forgiveness only possible through Christ's atoning sacrifice.

     In both testaments, God reveals Himself to us and how we are to come to Him through Jesus Christ. In both testaments, we find all we need for eternal life and godly living (2 Timothy 3:15-17).


    Oh please, those "prophecies" are just twisted to fit christian dogma.  Nostradamus had thousands of "prophecies" as well, that when twisted around, can be considered to have come true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    This a typical question coming from an atheist having a wrong impression and not understanding the Holy Bible.

     So let me help clear up this misconception of yours that I'm sure others share as well. This misunderstanding happens when you have not read the Holy Bible and have no knowledge of what it is all about and so you form misconceptions.

    The Old Testament lays the foundation for the teachings and events found in the New Testament. The Bible is a progressive revelation.

    Try skipping the first half of any book that you read, you will no doubt have a hard time understanding the characters, the plot, and the ending.

    In the same way, the New Testament is only completely understood when it is seen as a fulfillment of the events, characters, laws, sacrificial system, covenants, and promises of the Old Testament.

    If we only had the New Testament, we would come to the gospels and not know why the person were looking for a Messiah (a Savior King).

    Without the Old Testament, we would not understand why this Messiah was coming (see Isaiah 53), and we would not have been able to identify Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah through the many detailed prophecies that were given concerning Him, e.g., His birthplace (Micah 5:2); His manner of death (Psalm 22, especially vv. 1, 7-8, 14-18; Psalm 69:21), His resurrection (Psalm 16:10), and many more details of His ministry ( Isaiah 52:19, 9:2).

    The New Testament Gospels and the Acts of the apostles record many of the fulfillments of prophecies that were recorded hundreds of years earlier in the Old Testament.

     In the circumstances of Jesus' birth, life, miracles, death, and resurrection as found in the Gospels, we find the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies that relate to the Messiah's first coming.

    In summary, the Old Testament lays the foundation for, and was meant to prepare the Israelites for, the coming of the Messiah who would sacrifice Himself for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2).

    Both testaments reveal the same holy, merciful, and righteous God who must condemn sin but who desires to bring to Himself a fallen human race of sinners through the forgiveness only possible through Christ's atoning sacrifice.

     In both testaments, God reveals Himself to us and how we are to come to Him through Jesus Christ. In both testaments, we find all we need for eternal life and godly living (2 Timothy 3:15-17).


    Oh please, those "prophecies" are just twisted to fit christian dogma.  Nostradamus had thousands of "prophecies" as well, that when twisted around, can be considered to have come true.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 2, 2012 - 10:28 PM ET #4059

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    No offense SJD, but that doesn't really help. I'd have to read both to fully understand and I have no desire to do that.

    Well at least it should help you to understand that the Old Testament and the New Testament are in essence a book that is progressive. They go hand in hand so to speak. 

    It also should help you understand that God didn't write the New Testament because the Old was wrong and He was clearing up His mistakes and so He revised it...lol

    I know you are not going to read the Holy Bible and I don't expect you to but at least I cleared up your misconceptions of it.

    Hey you guys ask questions and guys like me just give an answer with a thourough explanation to eliminate misconceptions.

    So in summary there is nothing wrong with the Old Testament that God wrote. It was just as essential as the New Testament.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    No offense SJD, but that doesn't really help. I'd have to read both to fully understand and I have no desire to do that.

    Well at least it should help you to understand that the Old Testament and the New Testament are in essence a book that is progressive. They go hand in hand so to speak. 

    It also should help you understand that God didn't write the New Testament because the Old was wrong and He was clearing up His mistakes and so He revised it...lol

    I know you are not going to read the Holy Bible and I don't expect you to but at least I cleared up your misconceptions of it.

    Hey you guys ask questions and guys like me just give an answer with a thourough explanation to eliminate misconceptions.

    So in summary there is nothing wrong with the Old Testament that God wrote. It was just as essential as the New Testament.

     

     
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    Obviously you are a great ambassador for your faith. You make me want to start going to church again, will I get to meet more people like you?



    That's the problem with atheist. The minute a Christian uses salty language you jump all over him like he's done something wrong. But you guys can curse call people names and it's perfectly ok. I have never claimed to represent every Christian or theist in the world so no I'm not an ambassador for anything except myself, my family and my business. But sometimes when you deal with morally corrupt people you must use salty language in a vain attempt to get through to such people. Basically Tiltlogic you're a hypocrite.
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    Obviously you are a great ambassador for your faith. You make me want to start going to church again, will I get to meet more people like you?



    That's the problem with atheist. The minute a Christian uses salty language you jump all over him like he's done something wrong. But you guys can curse call people names and it's perfectly ok. I have never claimed to represent every Christian or theist in the world so no I'm not an ambassador for anything except myself, my family and my business. But sometimes when you deal with morally corrupt people you must use salty language in a vain attempt to get through to such people. Basically Tiltlogic you're a hypocrite.
     
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    bet Jesus smokes the best fuckin weed possible... no way does God let his son go out like a lil bitch and smoke on regs
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    bet Jesus smokes the best fuckin weed possible... no way does God let his son go out like a lil bitch and smoke on regs
     
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    and fuck anyone who thinks different 
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    You see guys don't you get it? These atheist don't give a dam about what we say, do or what stories we tell of how God has changed our lives or others that we know. THEY DON'T CARE!!! No answer is good enough for them. We have had people on here giving credible testimony about God and has the atheist response been? One of two things either ignore the post completely like they didn't see it or say that it doesn't prove anything. They dismiss a 1500 word post with a 7 word sentence. These guys aren't interested in truth. Hell they're not even interested in life. Look at their conditions. From SurfApe to Mikniks to Jagerfury and the rest of this sorry lot. They don't have anything positive going on in their life. They're empty people lashing out at God, angry that their lives are about nothing. What have any of these atheist contributed to their community? Not a dam thing except maybe to recruit other weak minded Cowards (there's that word again) to join them in this empty life.  
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    You see guys don't you get it? These atheist don't give a dam about what we say, do or what stories we tell of how God has changed our lives or others that we know. THEY DON'T CARE!!! No answer is good enough for them. We have had people on here giving credible testimony about God and has the atheist response been? One of two things either ignore the post completely like they didn't see it or say that it doesn't prove anything. They dismiss a 1500 word post with a 7 word sentence. These guys aren't interested in truth. Hell they're not even interested in life. Look at their conditions. From SurfApe to Mikniks to Jagerfury and the rest of this sorry lot. They don't have anything positive going on in their life. They're empty people lashing out at God, angry that their lives are about nothing. What have any of these atheist contributed to their community? Not a dam thing except maybe to recruit other weak minded Cowards (there's that word again) to join them in this empty life.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    You see guys don't you get it? These atheist don't give a dam about what we say, do or what stories we tell of how God has changed our lives or others that we know. THEY DON'T CARE!!! No answer is good enough for them. We have had people on here giving credible testimony about God and has the atheist response been? One of two things either ignore the post completely like they didn't see it or say that it doesn't prove anything. They dismiss a 1500 word post with a 7 word sentence. These guys aren't interested in truth.  that's what this is all about - truth - we're searching for it. Hell they're not even interested in life. Look at their conditions. From SurfApe to Mikniks to Jagerfury and the rest of this sorry lot. They don't have anything positive going on in their life. (based on what) They're empty people lashing out at God, angry that their lives are about nothing. (based on what) What have any of these atheist contributed to their community? (evidence?) Not a dam thing except maybe to recruit other weak minded Cowards (there's that word again) to join them in this empty life.  
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    You see guys don't you get it? These atheist don't give a dam about what we say, do or what stories we tell of how God has changed our lives or others that we know. THEY DON'T CARE!!! No answer is good enough for them. We have had people on here giving credible testimony about God and has the atheist response been? One of two things either ignore the post completely like they didn't see it or say that it doesn't prove anything. They dismiss a 1500 word post with a 7 word sentence. These guys aren't interested in truth.  that's what this is all about - truth - we're searching for it. Hell they're not even interested in life. Look at their conditions. From SurfApe to Mikniks to Jagerfury and the rest of this sorry lot. They don't have anything positive going on in their life. (based on what) They're empty people lashing out at God, angry that their lives are about nothing. (based on what) What have any of these atheist contributed to their community? (evidence?) Not a dam thing except maybe to recruit other weak minded Cowards (there's that word again) to join them in this empty life.  
     
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    It's funny how I set the over/under at 23.5 unsubstantiated claims in Ex Life's massive thread. I apologize to Ex Life.

    I pointed out 5 unsubstantiated claims in a 10 line post. Imagine if he posted something as long as Ex Life. There might be more unsubstantiated claims than sentences 
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    It's funny how I set the over/under at 23.5 unsubstantiated claims in Ex Life's massive thread. I apologize to Ex Life.

    I pointed out 5 unsubstantiated claims in a 10 line post. Imagine if he posted something as long as Ex Life. There might be more unsubstantiated claims than sentences 
     
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    I want to apologize if I have ever said that I have "proof" that God exists... because quite frankly, none of us can prove, scientifically, that God exists... for us as humans to be able to do that would put us on the level, intellectually, as God; and that cannot and will not happen. Now, I, as well as other people in this thread, have shown reasonable and credible reasons as to why God exists. Now it is up to you and whoever else to accept those reasons and believe for yourself. It's a matter of choice... if you choose to accept it, then great... if not, so be it... But I will not say I have PROOF that God exists... I will just point out reasons that point to God's existence... and it is up to you to accept or reject them... doesn't hurt me in any way... I have just been trying to help 
    Well said  and this is why I have said repeatedly to atheist that there is no proof and no evidence. I'm not here to convert anybody to any religion. I am beyond religion. I deal direct with God. Some atheist have been victimized by so called Christians and have turned away. I submit to them to deal direct with God and go beyond man's religions. I must disagree with you on one point. I do have proof that God exist and that is the I AM THAT I AM. I don't care if people understand it, reject it or don't like it. The I AM THAT I AM is the only proof I need. Let him who has ears listen, let him who has wisdom understand and let him who has the holy spirit discern what I am saying. That is my proof.
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    I want to apologize if I have ever said that I have "proof" that God exists... because quite frankly, none of us can prove, scientifically, that God exists... for us as humans to be able to do that would put us on the level, intellectually, as God; and that cannot and will not happen. Now, I, as well as other people in this thread, have shown reasonable and credible reasons as to why God exists. Now it is up to you and whoever else to accept those reasons and believe for yourself. It's a matter of choice... if you choose to accept it, then great... if not, so be it... But I will not say I have PROOF that God exists... I will just point out reasons that point to God's existence... and it is up to you to accept or reject them... doesn't hurt me in any way... I have just been trying to help 
    Well said  and this is why I have said repeatedly to atheist that there is no proof and no evidence. I'm not here to convert anybody to any religion. I am beyond religion. I deal direct with God. Some atheist have been victimized by so called Christians and have turned away. I submit to them to deal direct with God and go beyond man's religions. I must disagree with you on one point. I do have proof that God exist and that is the I AM THAT I AM. I don't care if people understand it, reject it or don't like it. The I AM THAT I AM is the only proof I need. Let him who has ears listen, let him who has wisdom understand and let him who has the holy spirit discern what I am saying. That is my proof.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    You see guys don't you get it? These atheist don't give a dam about what we say, do or what stories we tell of how God has changed our lives or others that we know. THEY DON'T CARE!!! No answer is good enough for them. We have had people on here giving credible testimony about God and has the atheist response been? One of two things either ignore the post completely like they didn't see it or say that it doesn't prove anything. They dismiss a 1500 word post with a 7 word sentence. These guys aren't interested in truth. Hell they're not even interested in life. Look at their conditions. From SurfApe to Mikniks to Jagerfury and the rest of this sorry lot. They don't have anything positive going on in their life. They're empty people lashing out at God, angry that their lives are about nothing. What have any of these atheist contributed to their community? Not a dam thing except maybe to recruit other weak minded Cowards (there's that word again) to join them in this empty life.  

    And all the theists on here care about what we have to say.

    You have still yet to form any semblance of an argument.  You just keep going for personal attacks.  Your life must really suck.  We have very fulfilling lives because we don't waste time or money on religion.  Why so angry smooth?
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    You see guys don't you get it? These atheist don't give a dam about what we say, do or what stories we tell of how God has changed our lives or others that we know. THEY DON'T CARE!!! No answer is good enough for them. We have had people on here giving credible testimony about God and has the atheist response been? One of two things either ignore the post completely like they didn't see it or say that it doesn't prove anything. They dismiss a 1500 word post with a 7 word sentence. These guys aren't interested in truth. Hell they're not even interested in life. Look at their conditions. From SurfApe to Mikniks to Jagerfury and the rest of this sorry lot. They don't have anything positive going on in their life. They're empty people lashing out at God, angry that their lives are about nothing. What have any of these atheist contributed to their community? Not a dam thing except maybe to recruit other weak minded Cowards (there's that word again) to join them in this empty life.  

    And all the theists on here care about what we have to say.

    You have still yet to form any semblance of an argument.  You just keep going for personal attacks.  Your life must really suck.  We have very fulfilling lives because we don't waste time or money on religion.  Why so angry smooth?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Well said  and this is why I have said repeatedly to atheist that there is no proof and no evidence. I'm not here to convert anybody to any religion. I am beyond religion. I deal direct with God. Some atheist have been victimized by so called Christians and have turned away. I submit to them to deal direct with God and go beyond man's religions. I must disagree with you on one point. I do have proof that God exist and that is the I AM THAT I AM. I don't care if people understand it, reject it or don't like it. The I AM THAT I AM is the only proof I need. Let him who has ears listen, let him who has wisdom understand and let him who has the holy spirit discern what I am saying. That is my proof.

    How can I deal directly with god if he doesn't exist?
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    Well said  and this is why I have said repeatedly to atheist that there is no proof and no evidence. I'm not here to convert anybody to any religion. I am beyond religion. I deal direct with God. Some atheist have been victimized by so called Christians and have turned away. I submit to them to deal direct with God and go beyond man's religions. I must disagree with you on one point. I do have proof that God exist and that is the I AM THAT I AM. I don't care if people understand it, reject it or don't like it. The I AM THAT I AM is the only proof I need. Let him who has ears listen, let him who has wisdom understand and let him who has the holy spirit discern what I am saying. That is my proof.

    How can I deal directly with god if he doesn't exist?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Well said  and this is why I have said repeatedly to atheist that there is no proof and no evidence. I'm not here to convert anybody to any religion. I am beyond religion. I deal direct with God. Some atheist have been victimized by so called Christians and have turned away. I submit to them to deal direct with God and go beyond man's religions. I must disagree with you on one point. I do have proof that God exist and that is the I AM THAT I AM. I don't care if people understand it, reject it or don't like it. The I AM THAT I AM is the only proof I need. Let him who has ears listen, let him who has wisdom understand and let him who has the holy spirit discern what I am saying. That is my proof.

    Anyone who believes in something without evidence should be considered insane.  You have your own "proof" because you want to believe it (maybe because you are a coward)....  Hmmm...
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    Well said  and this is why I have said repeatedly to atheist that there is no proof and no evidence. I'm not here to convert anybody to any religion. I am beyond religion. I deal direct with God. Some atheist have been victimized by so called Christians and have turned away. I submit to them to deal direct with God and go beyond man's religions. I must disagree with you on one point. I do have proof that God exist and that is the I AM THAT I AM. I don't care if people understand it, reject it or don't like it. The I AM THAT I AM is the only proof I need. Let him who has ears listen, let him who has wisdom understand and let him who has the holy spirit discern what I am saying. That is my proof.

    Anyone who believes in something without evidence should be considered insane.  You have your own "proof" because you want to believe it (maybe because you are a coward)....  Hmmm...
     
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    Let's sum this up in a nutshell for those who read this thread but don't post. 

    Atheist are angry that theist believe in a God that they say don't exist. They then put the burden of proof on us like we have something to prove to them. Atheists are Anti-God and are basically Cowards (there's that word again) (one day you atheists will figure it out) They want us to prove to them that God doesn't exist and then get angry because they can't convince us that he doesn't. 
    Christians and theist fall into the trap with atheists trying to convince them that God exist and getting frustrated when atheist shoot down everything they say with more questions and a endless request for more evidence. Basically God loving people this is a losing battle because no matter what we say do or provide. It will never be enough for these people. It's like a nymphomaniac. No matter how much you think you're satisfying her or him ( as is the case with some of atheist friends) it's never enough. The nympho never reaches a point of satisfaction. Well the atheist are energy nymphos. They will drain you of your energy trying to satisfy their endless requests for proof and evidence. The only way to deal with them is to point their consistent inconsistencies in their own way of thinking. This is obvious because they're controlled by their egos and the ego is very illogical, hence some of the extremely illogical arguments posted by this pathetic bunch.  Let's just turn this page into a nondenominational church and the atheist will go away. I propose that SJD be the lead Pastor of the Church of Covers! 
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    Let's sum this up in a nutshell for those who read this thread but don't post. 

    Atheist are angry that theist believe in a God that they say don't exist. They then put the burden of proof on us like we have something to prove to them. Atheists are Anti-God and are basically Cowards (there's that word again) (one day you atheists will figure it out) They want us to prove to them that God doesn't exist and then get angry because they can't convince us that he doesn't. 
    Christians and theist fall into the trap with atheists trying to convince them that God exist and getting frustrated when atheist shoot down everything they say with more questions and a endless request for more evidence. Basically God loving people this is a losing battle because no matter what we say do or provide. It will never be enough for these people. It's like a nymphomaniac. No matter how much you think you're satisfying her or him ( as is the case with some of atheist friends) it's never enough. The nympho never reaches a point of satisfaction. Well the atheist are energy nymphos. They will drain you of your energy trying to satisfy their endless requests for proof and evidence. The only way to deal with them is to point their consistent inconsistencies in their own way of thinking. This is obvious because they're controlled by their egos and the ego is very illogical, hence some of the extremely illogical arguments posted by this pathetic bunch.  Let's just turn this page into a nondenominational church and the atheist will go away. I propose that SJD be the lead Pastor of the Church of Covers! 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Let's sum this up in a nutshell for those who read this thread but don't post. 

    Atheist are angry that theist believe in a God that they say don't exist. They then put the burden of proof on us like we have something to prove to them. Atheists are Anti-God and are basically Cowards (there's that word again) (one day you atheists will figure it out) They want us to prove to them that God doesn't exist and then get angry because they can't convince us that he doesn't. (we don't have to)
    Christians and theist fall into the trap with atheists trying to convince them that God exist and getting frustrated when atheist shoot down everything they say with more questions and a endless request for more evidence. (i'm sorry we want evidence and don't just accept things) Basically God loving people this is a losing battle because no matter what we say do or provide. It will never be enough for these people. It's like a nymphomaniac. No matter how much you think you're satisfying her or him ( as is the case with some of atheist friends) it's never enough. The nympho never reaches a point of satisfaction. Well the atheist are energy nymphos. They will drain you of your energy trying to satisfy their endless requests for proof and evidence. The only way to deal with them is to point their consistent inconsistencies in their own way of thinking. This is obvious because they're controlled by their egos and the ego is very illogical, hence some of the extremely illogical arguments posted by this pathetic bunch.  Let's just turn this page into a nondenominational church and the atheist will go away. I propose that SJD be the lead Pastor of the Church of Covers! 

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    Let's sum this up in a nutshell for those who read this thread but don't post. 

    Atheist are angry that theist believe in a God that they say don't exist. They then put the burden of proof on us like we have something to prove to them. Atheists are Anti-God and are basically Cowards (there's that word again) (one day you atheists will figure it out) They want us to prove to them that God doesn't exist and then get angry because they can't convince us that he doesn't. (we don't have to)
    Christians and theist fall into the trap with atheists trying to convince them that God exist and getting frustrated when atheist shoot down everything they say with more questions and a endless request for more evidence. (i'm sorry we want evidence and don't just accept things) Basically God loving people this is a losing battle because no matter what we say do or provide. It will never be enough for these people. It's like a nymphomaniac. No matter how much you think you're satisfying her or him ( as is the case with some of atheist friends) it's never enough. The nympho never reaches a point of satisfaction. Well the atheist are energy nymphos. They will drain you of your energy trying to satisfy their endless requests for proof and evidence. The only way to deal with them is to point their consistent inconsistencies in their own way of thinking. This is obvious because they're controlled by their egos and the ego is very illogical, hence some of the extremely illogical arguments posted by this pathetic bunch.  Let's just turn this page into a nondenominational church and the atheist will go away. I propose that SJD be the lead Pastor of the Church of Covers! 

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    heres a mindblower.....

    if there wasnt a god... how would we have lil baby calves in this world.. huh explain that scientists
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    if there wasnt a god... how would we have lil baby calves in this world.. huh explain that scientists
     
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    "Go Cardinals"






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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    That's the problem with atheist. The minute a Christian uses salty language you jump all over him like he's done something wrong. But you guys can curse call people names and it's perfectly ok. I have never claimed to represent every Christian or theist in the world so no I'm not an ambassador for anything except myself, my family and my business. But sometimes when you deal with morally corrupt people you must use salty language in a vain attempt to get through to such people. Basically Tiltlogic you're a hypocrite.

    I think its safe to say at this point that your very existence is a huge tax on civilized society, and yet you had nerve to procreate? You have a fucking family? LOL I can't imagine the misery your demon spawn has had to live through up to this point. I bet your kids are supremely fucked up and lack an education just like you. Probably more prone to crime as well. Good job Dad! 



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    That's the problem with atheist. The minute a Christian uses salty language you jump all over him like he's done something wrong. But you guys can curse call people names and it's perfectly ok. I have never claimed to represent every Christian or theist in the world so no I'm not an ambassador for anything except myself, my family and my business. But sometimes when you deal with morally corrupt people you must use salty language in a vain attempt to get through to such people. Basically Tiltlogic you're a hypocrite.

    I think its safe to say at this point that your very existence is a huge tax on civilized society, and yet you had nerve to procreate? You have a fucking family? LOL I can't imagine the misery your demon spawn has had to live through up to this point. I bet your kids are supremely fucked up and lack an education just like you. Probably more prone to crime as well. Good job Dad! 



     
     
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    Miknicks said

    "Anyone who believes in something without evidence should be considered insane".

    Ok,

    Last week i ate an apple for luch. I find out it on my front lawn and ate it.

    How can i prove that?

     

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    Miknicks said

    "Anyone who believes in something without evidence should be considered insane".

    Ok,

    Last week i ate an apple for luch. I find out it on my front lawn and ate it.

    How can i prove that?

     

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