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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2011 - 2:19 PM ET #1201

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    No one can have an intelligent discussion with that fella, I mean he is so illogical in his generalizations. He IMHO is just another confused non-believer just like kk & system. They all see their lives as being without purpose...or meaningless.

    They, view themselves as being created by an accident and not by an all powerful, all knowing, super intelligent, loving, All Mighty God!, the Creator of all existence in the universe.

     

    He invents terrible viruses, animals that are efficient killers (dinosaurs, sharks, crocodiles, venomous snakes and spiders, etc) that kill humans by the millions.....

    ...and He has difficulty communicating with His creations, so He uses barely literate, unschooled scribes;

    ...and He has trouble with money, so He needs preachers and televangelists and His church institutions to raise trillions of dollars to keep 6 figure church administrators on the pay scale, because He is "almighty God," but has troubles investing His money;

    ...and He has no possibility of stopping rapists, murderers, thieves, dictators, lying, corrupt politicians because He gives us "free will" and He wants to watch the evil from afar;

    ....and He loves His son that He watches Him be brutalized for all of us heathen, because He kind of liked the blood sacrifices of the ancients--He likes donations of fruits, food, artwork and most of all BLOOD;

    ...and He abdicates all future responsibility and past responsibility for murdering, pillaging, corruption by His church (built up around the Jesus Myth) because He is ok with watching us all suffer. He has a lot to do and doesn't give a fuck about us.

    Report card to date: D-

    Let's all find a new creator.

    And yes (to answer A PREVIOUS QUESTION) something can come from nothing, because there is INFINITE POSSIBILITY. AND YOU and you and you are the consciousness of the creation from infinite possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    No one can have an intelligent discussion with that fella, I mean he is so illogical in his generalizations. He IMHO is just another confused non-believer just like kk & system. They all see their lives as being without purpose...or meaningless.

    They, view themselves as being created by an accident and not by an all powerful, all knowing, super intelligent, loving, All Mighty God!, the Creator of all existence in the universe.

     

    He invents terrible viruses, animals that are efficient killers (dinosaurs, sharks, crocodiles, venomous snakes and spiders, etc) that kill humans by the millions.....

    ...and He has difficulty communicating with His creations, so He uses barely literate, unschooled scribes;

    ...and He has trouble with money, so He needs preachers and televangelists and His church institutions to raise trillions of dollars to keep 6 figure church administrators on the pay scale, because He is "almighty God," but has troubles investing His money;

    ...and He has no possibility of stopping rapists, murderers, thieves, dictators, lying, corrupt politicians because He gives us "free will" and He wants to watch the evil from afar;

    ....and He loves His son that He watches Him be brutalized for all of us heathen, because He kind of liked the blood sacrifices of the ancients--He likes donations of fruits, food, artwork and most of all BLOOD;

    ...and He abdicates all future responsibility and past responsibility for murdering, pillaging, corruption by His church (built up around the Jesus Myth) because He is ok with watching us all suffer. He has a lot to do and doesn't give a fuck about us.

    Report card to date: D-

    Let's all find a new creator.

    And yes (to answer A PREVIOUS QUESTION) something can come from nothing, because there is INFINITE POSSIBILITY. AND YOU and you and you are the consciousness of the creation from infinite possibility.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2011 - 4:28 PM ET #1202

    Quote Originally Posted by Chimpo:

    No disrespect intended but he died on cross right?  Why would you pray to that cross?  If some new messenger of god start a new religion and somehow become huge , persecuted , ended up in electric chair and dies. His follower pray to electric chair?  It's just weird thing to pray for. 


    You do not pray to an object.  Some people use the symbolism to help with their concentration aka meditation aka prayer to their creator.  TO put them in the state of mind and block out distractions while they are praying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chimpo:

    No disrespect intended but he died on cross right?  Why would you pray to that cross?  If some new messenger of god start a new religion and somehow become huge , persecuted , ended up in electric chair and dies. His follower pray to electric chair?  It's just weird thing to pray for. 


    You do not pray to an object.  Some people use the symbolism to help with their concentration aka meditation aka prayer to their creator.  TO put them in the state of mind and block out distractions while they are praying.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2011 - 4:55 PM ET #1203

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum_Leap:

    He invents terrible viruses, animals that are efficient killers (dinosaurs, sharks, crocodiles, venomous snakes and spiders, etc) that kill humans by the millions.....

    ...and He has difficulty communicating with His creations, so He uses barely literate, unschooled scribes;

    ...and He has trouble with money, so He needs preachers and televangelists and His church institutions to raise trillions of dollars to keep 6 figure church administrators on the pay scale, because He is "almighty God," but has troubles investing His money;

    ...and He has no possibility of stopping rapists, murderers, thieves, dictators, lying, corrupt politicians because He gives us "free will" and He wants to watch the evil from afar;

    ....and He loves His son that He watches Him be brutalized for all of us heathen, because He kind of liked the blood sacrifices of the ancients--He likes donations of fruits, food, artwork and most of all BLOOD;

    ...and He abdicates all future responsibility and past responsibility for murdering, pillaging, corruption by His church (built up around the Jesus Myth) because He is ok with watching us all suffer. He has a lot to do and doesn't give a fuck about us.

    Report card to date: D-

    Let's all find a new creator.

    And yes (to answer A PREVIOUS QUESTION) something can come from nothing, because there is INFINITE POSSIBILITY. AND YOU and you and you are the consciousness of the creation from infinite possibility.

    Alot of people also have trouble identifying that the bi product of free will is exactly what we are observing in the world, greed, corruption, evil etc etc.

    On one hand, we want to do what we want, when we want even if that means disobeying Gods law, then when things go bad we ask why is their evil? People dont realise that God gave us free will and we are not his pets.

    Your arguments are based on emotion , strictly emotion. This world is temporary, we are just visitors. The reason we are on here is so we can choose wether we accept or reject God. We arent here for a good time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum_Leap:

    He invents terrible viruses, animals that are efficient killers (dinosaurs, sharks, crocodiles, venomous snakes and spiders, etc) that kill humans by the millions.....

    ...and He has difficulty communicating with His creations, so He uses barely literate, unschooled scribes;

    ...and He has trouble with money, so He needs preachers and televangelists and His church institutions to raise trillions of dollars to keep 6 figure church administrators on the pay scale, because He is "almighty God," but has troubles investing His money;

    ...and He has no possibility of stopping rapists, murderers, thieves, dictators, lying, corrupt politicians because He gives us "free will" and He wants to watch the evil from afar;

    ....and He loves His son that He watches Him be brutalized for all of us heathen, because He kind of liked the blood sacrifices of the ancients--He likes donations of fruits, food, artwork and most of all BLOOD;

    ...and He abdicates all future responsibility and past responsibility for murdering, pillaging, corruption by His church (built up around the Jesus Myth) because He is ok with watching us all suffer. He has a lot to do and doesn't give a fuck about us.

    Report card to date: D-

    Let's all find a new creator.

    And yes (to answer A PREVIOUS QUESTION) something can come from nothing, because there is INFINITE POSSIBILITY. AND YOU and you and you are the consciousness of the creation from infinite possibility.

    Alot of people also have trouble identifying that the bi product of free will is exactly what we are observing in the world, greed, corruption, evil etc etc.

    On one hand, we want to do what we want, when we want even if that means disobeying Gods law, then when things go bad we ask why is their evil? People dont realise that God gave us free will and we are not his pets.

    Your arguments are based on emotion , strictly emotion. This world is temporary, we are just visitors. The reason we are on here is so we can choose wether we accept or reject God. We arent here for a good time.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2011 - 11:00 PM ET #1204

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum_Leap:

    He invents terrible viruses, animals that are efficient killers (dinosaurs, sharks, crocodiles, venomous snakes and spiders, etc) that kill humans by the millions.....

    ...and He has difficulty communicating with His creations, so He uses barely literate, unschooled scribes;

    ...and He has trouble with money, so He needs preachers and televangelists and His church institutions to raise trillions of dollars to keep 6 figure church administrators on the pay scale, because He is "almighty God," but has troubles investing His money;

    ...and He has no possibility of stopping rapists, murderers, thieves, dictators, lying, corrupt politicians because He gives us "free will" and He wants to watch the evil from afar;

    ....and He loves His son that He watches Him be brutalized for all of us heathen, because He kind of liked the blood sacrifices of the ancients--He likes donations of fruits, food, artwork and most of all BLOOD;

    ...and He abdicates all future responsibility and past responsibility for murdering, pillaging, corruption by His church (built up around the Jesus Myth) because He is ok with watching us all suffer. He has a lot to do and doesn't give a fuck about us.

    Report card to date: D-

    Let's all find a new creator.

    And yes (to answer A PREVIOUS QUESTION) something can come from nothing, because there is INFINITE POSSIBILITY. AND YOU and you and you are the consciousness of the creation from infinite possibility.

    You as I have stated before...are confused. An individual is either a non-believer or a believer in Almighty God. Your confused tirade of a dialogue above makes you sound like you now acknowledge and believe that God exists but you are angry at Him for how the world is and you're blaming Him for all the miseries.

     What about all the good things that happen in life? He doesn't get credit for that? You only give Him credit for all the bad?

    The good things that happen in life is a result of people obeying and following His Ten Commandments and laws. All the bad things and misery happens when people disobey and break His commandments and laws.

    So believers such as I don't blame God for any of the miseries that go on in life because we know it is all man made and furthermore as my friend Rostos said, "Your arguments are based on emotion , strictly emotion. This world is temporary, we are just visitors. The reason we are on here is so we can choose whether we accept or reject God. We arent here for a good time."

    So...what are you my confused friend? Do you not believe in the existence of Almighty God? Or do you believe in the existence of Almighty God but at the same time are angry at Him?

    Which is it? Whatever it is, just shows how confused you are by making a post as you did above. You definitely need help in understanding Almighty God...you can start by opening up a bible and reading it...start with the first book Genesis.

    Oh and one last thing before I go....from nothing comes nothing...because something can't come from nothing while from something can come something else....very elementary sound logic...don't you think? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum_Leap:

    He invents terrible viruses, animals that are efficient killers (dinosaurs, sharks, crocodiles, venomous snakes and spiders, etc) that kill humans by the millions.....

    ...and He has difficulty communicating with His creations, so He uses barely literate, unschooled scribes;

    ...and He has trouble with money, so He needs preachers and televangelists and His church institutions to raise trillions of dollars to keep 6 figure church administrators on the pay scale, because He is "almighty God," but has troubles investing His money;

    ...and He has no possibility of stopping rapists, murderers, thieves, dictators, lying, corrupt politicians because He gives us "free will" and He wants to watch the evil from afar;

    ....and He loves His son that He watches Him be brutalized for all of us heathen, because He kind of liked the blood sacrifices of the ancients--He likes donations of fruits, food, artwork and most of all BLOOD;

    ...and He abdicates all future responsibility and past responsibility for murdering, pillaging, corruption by His church (built up around the Jesus Myth) because He is ok with watching us all suffer. He has a lot to do and doesn't give a fuck about us.

    Report card to date: D-

    Let's all find a new creator.

    And yes (to answer A PREVIOUS QUESTION) something can come from nothing, because there is INFINITE POSSIBILITY. AND YOU and you and you are the consciousness of the creation from infinite possibility.

    You as I have stated before...are confused. An individual is either a non-believer or a believer in Almighty God. Your confused tirade of a dialogue above makes you sound like you now acknowledge and believe that God exists but you are angry at Him for how the world is and you're blaming Him for all the miseries.

     What about all the good things that happen in life? He doesn't get credit for that? You only give Him credit for all the bad?

    The good things that happen in life is a result of people obeying and following His Ten Commandments and laws. All the bad things and misery happens when people disobey and break His commandments and laws.

    So believers such as I don't blame God for any of the miseries that go on in life because we know it is all man made and furthermore as my friend Rostos said, "Your arguments are based on emotion , strictly emotion. This world is temporary, we are just visitors. The reason we are on here is so we can choose whether we accept or reject God. We arent here for a good time."

    So...what are you my confused friend? Do you not believe in the existence of Almighty God? Or do you believe in the existence of Almighty God but at the same time are angry at Him?

    Which is it? Whatever it is, just shows how confused you are by making a post as you did above. You definitely need help in understanding Almighty God...you can start by opening up a bible and reading it...start with the first book Genesis.

    Oh and one last thing before I go....from nothing comes nothing...because something can't come from nothing while from something can come something else....very elementary sound logic...don't you think? 

     
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    Great documentary if you have not seen it yet about god, the economy, war ..

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    https://vimeo.com/13726978
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    Great documentary if you have not seen it yet about god, the economy, war ..

    Zeitgeist

    https://vimeo.com/13726978
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by examine:

    Great documentary if you have not seen it yet about god, the economy, war ..

    Zeitgeist

    https://vimeo.com/13726978

    Debunked a long time ago...

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    Quote Originally Posted by examine:

    Great documentary if you have not seen it yet about god, the economy, war ..

    Zeitgeist

    https://vimeo.com/13726978

    Debunked a long time ago...

     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2011 - 8:39 AM ET #1207

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    very elementary sound logic...don't you think? 

    Actually, no. There is no logic in your statement. Your statement is a statement of incredulity. "I can't conceive of it any other way, so it must be true." That sir is the essence of your argument, and therefore is only a statement of incredulity, not of fact.

    Water found on Europa, that is a fact. Eating feces in your food will make you sick, trying to walk on water will get you wet, deprived of oxygen, and you will suffocate, These are fact. Anything which comes out of your mouth with "I believe", or my favorite, "it is written", is your opinion, and your opinion only.

    And there is no such thing as free will. I have seen this stated by the supernaturalists on this thread, but where is your proof? Oh that is right. You don't prescribe to truth, and the scientific method. Your truth is whatever you are most ready to believe at any moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    very elementary sound logic...don't you think? 

    Actually, no. There is no logic in your statement. Your statement is a statement of incredulity. "I can't conceive of it any other way, so it must be true." That sir is the essence of your argument, and therefore is only a statement of incredulity, not of fact.

    Water found on Europa, that is a fact. Eating feces in your food will make you sick, trying to walk on water will get you wet, deprived of oxygen, and you will suffocate, These are fact. Anything which comes out of your mouth with "I believe", or my favorite, "it is written", is your opinion, and your opinion only.

    And there is no such thing as free will. I have seen this stated by the supernaturalists on this thread, but where is your proof? Oh that is right. You don't prescribe to truth, and the scientific method. Your truth is whatever you are most ready to believe at any moment.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2011 - 8:40 AM ET #1208

    Europa may have a large body of water under its icecaps, according to the latest study from NASA.

    Speaking Wednesday, the U.S. space agency discussed the possibility that Jupiter’s moon may hold large quantities of water and supposed life. Europa, as it is called is slightly smaller than Earth’s moon and is believed to have a large ocean of salty water deep beneath its frozen crust. The robot spacecraft Galileo captured the image mosaic during its mission orbiting Jupiter from 1995 – 2003.


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    Europa may have a large body of water under its icecaps, according to the latest study from NASA.

    Speaking Wednesday, the U.S. space agency discussed the possibility that Jupiter’s moon may hold large quantities of water and supposed life. Europa, as it is called is slightly smaller than Earth’s moon and is believed to have a large ocean of salty water deep beneath its frozen crust. The robot spacecraft Galileo captured the image mosaic during its mission orbiting Jupiter from 1995 – 2003.


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    [Quote: Originally Posted by gimmemines]

    reason this sacrifice is significant is because he lived on this earth without sin

    [/Quote.  Yes he was God himself manifested into a mman. He had no sin and bore all sin for all mankind. In the old testament thousands of yrs before it was all preordained in prophesy. 
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by gimmemines]

    reason this sacrifice is significant is because he lived on this earth without sin

    [/Quote.  Yes he was God himself manifested into a mman. He had no sin and bore all sin for all mankind. In the old testament thousands of yrs before it was all preordained in prophesy. 
     
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    "The good things that happen in life is[are] a result of people obeying and following His Ten Commandments and laws. All the bad things and misery happens when people disobey and break His commandments and laws. "

     

    Ergo, let us wage war on the non-believers to end misery. Heven't we lived this lie for centuries already to no avail--except further compounded misery?

    The "10 Commandments" were written by an ancient mindset. People are naturally "wayward" and self-interested. It takes power to force them to do something against their own self-interest (for us, it is working for wages). For those whose interest is in controlling them, it is often deemed necessary to have laws they must obey--and scare them to death with them--such as obeying the sabbath, having coital relations with another married person, disrespecting "god" by claiming to speak for him, be his son, and so on.

    Why don't you see this?

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    "The good things that happen in life is[are] a result of people obeying and following His Ten Commandments and laws. All the bad things and misery happens when people disobey and break His commandments and laws. "

     

    Ergo, let us wage war on the non-believers to end misery. Heven't we lived this lie for centuries already to no avail--except further compounded misery?

    The "10 Commandments" were written by an ancient mindset. People are naturally "wayward" and self-interested. It takes power to force them to do something against their own self-interest (for us, it is working for wages). For those whose interest is in controlling them, it is often deemed necessary to have laws they must obey--and scare them to death with them--such as obeying the sabbath, having coital relations with another married person, disrespecting "god" by claiming to speak for him, be his son, and so on.

    Why don't you see this?

     
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    Thought I'd Chime In On This. You Guys Taking About Needing Facts For Everything Have Faith And You Just Don't Know It. You Go To The Subway And Wait In Faith ThaT It Will Come. Most Of You Who Denounce God Probably Never Had A Relationship With Him To Begin With. I Have And I Have Strayed From A Righteous Path But Hopefully I'll Turn It Around Before I Met My Maker. You Don't Believe Because You've Never Had That Connection. I Feel God All Around Me And To A Non Believer That May Sound Strange.  I Will End On This.The Greatest Trick The Devil Ever Pulled Off Was Convincing The World He Didn't Exists.
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    Thought I'd Chime In On This. You Guys Taking About Needing Facts For Everything Have Faith And You Just Don't Know It. You Go To The Subway And Wait In Faith ThaT It Will Come. Most Of You Who Denounce God Probably Never Had A Relationship With Him To Begin With. I Have And I Have Strayed From A Righteous Path But Hopefully I'll Turn It Around Before I Met My Maker. You Don't Believe Because You've Never Had That Connection. I Feel God All Around Me And To A Non Believer That May Sound Strange.  I Will End On This.The Greatest Trick The Devil Ever Pulled Off Was Convincing The World He Didn't Exists.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2011 - 12:31 PM ET #1212

    Santa Cluas is real.

    Because I believe he is real.

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    Santa Cluas is real.

    Because I believe he is real.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2011 - 12:41 PM ET #1213

    Quote Originally Posted by daprospecta:

    Thought I'd Chime In On This. You Guys Taking About Needing Facts For Everything Have Faith And You Just Don't Know It. You Go To The Subway And Wait In Faith ThaT It Will Come. Most Of You Who Denounce God Probably Never Had A Relationship With Him To Begin With. I Have And I Have Strayed From A Righteous Path But Hopefully I'll Turn It Around Before I Met My Maker. You Don't Believe Because You've Never Had That Connection. I Feel God All Around Me And To A Non Believer That May Sound Strange.  I Will End On This.The Greatest Trick The Devil Ever Pulled Off Was Convincing The World He Didn't Exists.

    Wasn't that quote from Keyser Soze in the Usual Suspects?

    Anyway, I'll give another funny quote to think about from a comedian I heard. If the Devil is indeed rea and an enemy of Godl........why would he make things bad for the people that God has cast to him? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by daprospecta:

    Thought I'd Chime In On This. You Guys Taking About Needing Facts For Everything Have Faith And You Just Don't Know It. You Go To The Subway And Wait In Faith ThaT It Will Come. Most Of You Who Denounce God Probably Never Had A Relationship With Him To Begin With. I Have And I Have Strayed From A Righteous Path But Hopefully I'll Turn It Around Before I Met My Maker. You Don't Believe Because You've Never Had That Connection. I Feel God All Around Me And To A Non Believer That May Sound Strange.  I Will End On This.The Greatest Trick The Devil Ever Pulled Off Was Convincing The World He Didn't Exists.

    Wasn't that quote from Keyser Soze in the Usual Suspects?

    Anyway, I'll give another funny quote to think about from a comedian I heard. If the Devil is indeed rea and an enemy of Godl........why would he make things bad for the people that God has cast to him? 

     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2011 - 1:00 PM ET #1214

    the proof is everywhere

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    the proof is everywhere

     
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    @e muffin The devil isn't in to the friend making business. He is out to rob kill steal lie etc no matter if you rebuke him or follow him. The devil is only a temptor. Remember we are naturally good spirited because we are made in his image but we can tempted I.e. adam and eve. This is where free will comes into play. Now through prayer you can avoid some evil but the rain falls on the just and unjust alike. Before you get me confused with a preacher I gamble and lust and what not but by doing so I leave myself open to further temptation. You ever noticed how murderers and ruthless criminals started out as petty thieves or similar? Same logic.
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    @e muffin The devil isn't in to the friend making business. He is out to rob kill steal lie etc no matter if you rebuke him or follow him. The devil is only a temptor. Remember we are naturally good spirited because we are made in his image but we can tempted I.e. adam and eve. This is where free will comes into play. Now through prayer you can avoid some evil but the rain falls on the just and unjust alike. Before you get me confused with a preacher I gamble and lust and what not but by doing so I leave myself open to further temptation. You ever noticed how murderers and ruthless criminals started out as petty thieves or similar? Same logic.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2011 - 1:24 PM ET #1216

    it's a 1600 page book they haven't read
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    Quote Originally Posted by daprospecta:

    Thought I'd Chime In On This. You Guys Taking About Needing Facts For Everything Have Faith And You Just Don't Know It. You Go To The Subway And Wait In Faith ThaT It Will Come. Most Of You Who Denounce God Probably Never Had A Relationship With Him To Begin With. I Have And I Have Strayed From A Righteous Path But Hopefully I'll Turn It Around Before I Met My Maker. You Don't Believe Because You've Never Had That Connection. I Feel God All Around Me And To A Non Believer That May Sound Strange.  I Will End On This.The Greatest Trick The Devil Ever Pulled Off Was Convincing The World He Didn't Exists.

    no, you go to the subway and wait, because it has come time and time again...
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    Thought I'd Chime In On This. You Guys Taking About Needing Facts For Everything Have Faith And You Just Don't Know It. You Go To The Subway And Wait In Faith ThaT It Will Come. Most Of You Who Denounce God Probably Never Had A Relationship With Him To Begin With. I Have And I Have Strayed From A Righteous Path But Hopefully I'll Turn It Around Before I Met My Maker. You Don't Believe Because You've Never Had That Connection. I Feel God All Around Me And To A Non Believer That May Sound Strange.  I Will End On This.The Greatest Trick The Devil Ever Pulled Off Was Convincing The World He Didn't Exists.

    no, you go to the subway and wait, because it has come time and time again...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by daprospecta:

    @e muffin The devil isn't in to the friend making business. He is out to rob kill steal lie etc no matter if you rebuke him or follow him. The devil is only a temptor. Remember we are naturally good spirited because we are made in his image but we can tempted I.e. adam and eve. This is where free will comes into play. Now through prayer you can avoid some evil but the rain falls on the just and unjust alike. Before you get me confused with a preacher I gamble and lust and what not but by doing so I leave myself open to further temptation. You ever noticed how murderers and ruthless criminals started out as petty thieves or similar? Same logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daprospecta:

    @e muffin The devil isn't in to the friend making business. He is out to rob kill steal lie etc no matter if you rebuke him or follow him. The devil is only a temptor. Remember we are naturally good spirited because we are made in his image but we can tempted I.e. adam and eve. This is where free will comes into play. Now through prayer you can avoid some evil but the rain falls on the just and unjust alike. Before you get me confused with a preacher I gamble and lust and what not but by doing so I leave myself open to further temptation. You ever noticed how murderers and ruthless criminals started out as petty thieves or similar? Same logic.

    the devil  
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2011 - 1:29 PM ET #1219

    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    the proof is everywhere


    i knoooow, just look at the trees, and clouds, and sky...

    plus you had that personal experience that means nothing to anybody else...
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    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    the proof is everywhere


    i knoooow, just look at the trees, and clouds, and sky...

    plus you had that personal experience that means nothing to anybody else...
     
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    Hey guys, I've been away for a while. The last time I checked into this thread, it had like 20 posts.

    Can somebody sum up the arguments nicely for me so I don't have to do all that reading?

    Thanks.
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    Hey guys, I've been away for a while. The last time I checked into this thread, it had like 20 posts.

    Can somebody sum up the arguments nicely for me so I don't have to do all that reading?

    Thanks.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BetToWin:

    Hey guys, I've been away for a while. The last time I checked into this thread, it had like 20 posts.

    Can somebody sum up the arguments nicely for me so I don't have to do all that reading?

    Thanks.

    Some here are saying Tim Tebow is Jesus. Some people believe in him and try to point to wins because they are in the book, but the smart money is on that he is a fraud and ultimately will be found to not be able to back up what he preaches.

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    Hey guys, I've been away for a while. The last time I checked into this thread, it had like 20 posts.

    Can somebody sum up the arguments nicely for me so I don't have to do all that reading?

    Thanks.

    Some here are saying Tim Tebow is Jesus. Some people believe in him and try to point to wins because they are in the book, but the smart money is on that he is a fraud and ultimately will be found to not be able to back up what he preaches.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by E-Muffin:

    Some here are saying Tim Tebow is Jesus. Some people believe in him and try to point to wins because they are in the book, but the smart money is on that he is a fraud and ultimately will be found to not be able to back up what he preaches.


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    Quote Originally Posted by E-Muffin:

    Some here are saying Tim Tebow is Jesus. Some people believe in him and try to point to wins because they are in the book, but the smart money is on that he is a fraud and ultimately will be found to not be able to back up what he preaches.


     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2011 - 2:11 PM ET #1223

    Wow. I did miss a lot.

    Personally I believe Tebow is the Antichrist...

    He looks like Jesus, walks like Jesus, talks like Jesus, but ultimately those who believe in him will be denied the ultimate salvation that can only be achieved with an actual passing game.
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    Wow. I did miss a lot.

    Personally I believe Tebow is the Antichrist...

    He looks like Jesus, walks like Jesus, talks like Jesus, but ultimately those who believe in him will be denied the ultimate salvation that can only be achieved with an actual passing game.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2011 - 3:11 PM ET #1224

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    i knoooow, just look at the trees, and clouds, and sky...

    plus you had that personal experience that means nothing to anybody else...

    you need to think that

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    i knoooow, just look at the trees, and clouds, and sky...

    plus you had that personal experience that means nothing to anybody else...

    you need to think that

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    you need to think that


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