He looks like Jesus, walks like Jesus, talks like Jesus, but ultimately those who believe in him will be denied the ultimate salvation that can only be achieved with an actual passing game.
Exactly! You would also think Jesus could throw a better spiral, read coverages quicker and anticipate wide receiver breaks. I defy anyone to give me a quality answer to this.
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Quote Originally Posted by BetToWin:
Wow. I did miss a lot.
Personally I believe Tebow is the Antichrist...
He looks like Jesus, walks like Jesus, talks like Jesus, but ultimately those who believe in him will be denied the ultimate salvation that can only be achieved with an actual passing game.
Exactly! You would also think Jesus could throw a better spiral, read coverages quicker and anticipate wide receiver breaks. I defy anyone to give me a quality answer to this.
Actually, no. There is no logic in your statement. Your statement is a statement of incredulity. "I can't conceive of it any other way, so it must be true." That sir is the essence of your argument, and therefore is only a statement of incredulity, not of fact.
Water found on Europa, that is a fact. Eating feces in your food will make you sick, trying to walk on water will get you wet, deprived of oxygen, and you will suffocate, These are fact. Anything which comes out of your mouth with "I believe", or my favorite, "it is written", is your opinion, and your opinion only.
And there is no such thing as free will. I have seen this stated by the supernaturalists on this thread, but where is your proof? Oh that is right. You don't prescribe to truth, and the scientific method. Your truth is whatever you are most ready to believe at any moment.
Well of course there is elementary sound logic to my statements that ...."from nothing comes nothing...because something can't come from nothing while from something can come something else"... which I can't understand why you have an inability to believe it or doubt it or have skepticism. The only way to make you understand is to give you an illustration.
Suppose I said to you, "Here's enough money and a list of supplies I want you to purchase at the hardware store because I'm going to build myself a work table." You then proceed to go to the hardware store and later on you return with nothing. You tell me you couldn't purchase anything because the hardware store was closed. So I tell you, "Well because you brought back nothing I cannot start building my work table so nothing will be done today." So this is where the simple logic of from nothing comes nothing...are you following me so far my friend?...lol
Then the next day, you go to the hardware store when they open and purchase all the materials I listed and bring it back to me. I then begin to build my work table and eventually it is finished. So this is where from something can come something else. The work table was designed and built from materials that were purchased from the hardware store. Before it became a work table it was just materials, I had to design and build it to create a work table from the materials that were purchased. So from something (which includes you, me, money and the materials) came something else (work table).
Is this very simple illustration opening your mind just a tad? Or is that stubborn mind of yours incapable of understanding simple elementary logic? So once again..."from nothing comes nothing..because something can't come from nothing while from something can come something else."
Lastly, you are wrong in saying there is no such thing as free will. If you believe that then you must be some kind of puppet or something...lol
So who is pulling your strings?...lol I know for myself that no one is pulling my strings to do things. I can decide on my own on what I want to do because I have free will. I can do things that are righteous or I can do things that are wrong or evil. I can honestly say lately I have been doing things that are righteous...thank the Lord Almighty!!
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Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:
Actually, no. There is no logic in your statement. Your statement is a statement of incredulity. "I can't conceive of it any other way, so it must be true." That sir is the essence of your argument, and therefore is only a statement of incredulity, not of fact.
Water found on Europa, that is a fact. Eating feces in your food will make you sick, trying to walk on water will get you wet, deprived of oxygen, and you will suffocate, These are fact. Anything which comes out of your mouth with "I believe", or my favorite, "it is written", is your opinion, and your opinion only.
And there is no such thing as free will. I have seen this stated by the supernaturalists on this thread, but where is your proof? Oh that is right. You don't prescribe to truth, and the scientific method. Your truth is whatever you are most ready to believe at any moment.
Well of course there is elementary sound logic to my statements that ...."from nothing comes nothing...because something can't come from nothing while from something can come something else"... which I can't understand why you have an inability to believe it or doubt it or have skepticism. The only way to make you understand is to give you an illustration.
Suppose I said to you, "Here's enough money and a list of supplies I want you to purchase at the hardware store because I'm going to build myself a work table." You then proceed to go to the hardware store and later on you return with nothing. You tell me you couldn't purchase anything because the hardware store was closed. So I tell you, "Well because you brought back nothing I cannot start building my work table so nothing will be done today." So this is where the simple logic of from nothing comes nothing...are you following me so far my friend?...lol
Then the next day, you go to the hardware store when they open and purchase all the materials I listed and bring it back to me. I then begin to build my work table and eventually it is finished. So this is where from something can come something else. The work table was designed and built from materials that were purchased from the hardware store. Before it became a work table it was just materials, I had to design and build it to create a work table from the materials that were purchased. So from something (which includes you, me, money and the materials) came something else (work table).
Is this very simple illustration opening your mind just a tad? Or is that stubborn mind of yours incapable of understanding simple elementary logic? So once again..."from nothing comes nothing..because something can't come from nothing while from something can come something else."
Lastly, you are wrong in saying there is no such thing as free will. If you believe that then you must be some kind of puppet or something...lol
So who is pulling your strings?...lol I know for myself that no one is pulling my strings to do things. I can decide on my own on what I want to do because I have free will. I can do things that are righteous or I can do things that are wrong or evil. I can honestly say lately I have been doing things that are righteous...thank the Lord Almighty!!
The "10 Commandments" were written by an ancient mindset. People are naturally "wayward" and self-interested. It takes power to force them to do something against their own self-interest (for us, it is working for wages). For those whose interest is in controlling them, it is often deemed necessary to have laws they must obey--and scare them to death with them--such as obeying the sabbath, having coital relations with another married person, disrespecting "god" by claiming to speak for him, be his son, and so on.
Why don't you see this?
The Ten Commandments were given to Moses by God as a guide to help people live a happy and righteous life. It was not designed to scare people to death. Let's just look at one of the commandments..."Thou shalt not commit adultery"
Now I'm going to assume you're a married man and you yourself are faithful and happily married. Supposing someone comes along and has sexual relations with your wife, not even caring that she was married to you.
You eventually find out about her infidelity and that it had been going on for quite sometime. How would you react to this? I know for some people it ends up with murder or bitter divorce proceedings or someone getting physically hurt real bad just total misery for all parties.
Nobody is happy anymore, there is nothing but misery, from adultery it escalates to murder, bodily harm, or divorce.
Now supposing you and your wife are very faithful to each other because both of you truly love each other. Both of you will never be miserable in respect to your matrimonial vows, both of you will always be happy with one another. You both instinctly have obeyed God's commandment of "Thou shalt not commit adultery"
So this is just one example of how misery can enter one's life by disobeying and breaking one of God's Ten Commandments or how happiness and tranquility can enter ones's life by obeying and following one of God's Ten Commandments.
So these commandments should be really viewed as being good for the people's own sake, knowing that obeying and following the commandments brings happiness and tranquility while disobeying and breaking the commandments brings misery and despair.
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Quote Originally Posted by Quantum_Leap:
The "10 Commandments" were written by an ancient mindset. People are naturally "wayward" and self-interested. It takes power to force them to do something against their own self-interest (for us, it is working for wages). For those whose interest is in controlling them, it is often deemed necessary to have laws they must obey--and scare them to death with them--such as obeying the sabbath, having coital relations with another married person, disrespecting "god" by claiming to speak for him, be his son, and so on.
Why don't you see this?
The Ten Commandments were given to Moses by God as a guide to help people live a happy and righteous life. It was not designed to scare people to death. Let's just look at one of the commandments..."Thou shalt not commit adultery"
Now I'm going to assume you're a married man and you yourself are faithful and happily married. Supposing someone comes along and has sexual relations with your wife, not even caring that she was married to you.
You eventually find out about her infidelity and that it had been going on for quite sometime. How would you react to this? I know for some people it ends up with murder or bitter divorce proceedings or someone getting physically hurt real bad just total misery for all parties.
Nobody is happy anymore, there is nothing but misery, from adultery it escalates to murder, bodily harm, or divorce.
Now supposing you and your wife are very faithful to each other because both of you truly love each other. Both of you will never be miserable in respect to your matrimonial vows, both of you will always be happy with one another. You both instinctly have obeyed God's commandment of "Thou shalt not commit adultery"
So this is just one example of how misery can enter one's life by disobeying and breaking one of God's Ten Commandments or how happiness and tranquility can enter ones's life by obeying and following one of God's Ten Commandments.
So these commandments should be really viewed as being good for the people's own sake, knowing that obeying and following the commandments brings happiness and tranquility while disobeying and breaking the commandments brings misery and despair.
WOW, Some of the stances atheists need to take to defend their position is outrageous....
Like
Things popping into existence from nothing in this natural world,
Moral relativism,
Commandments like thou shall not murder are "outdated"...
Oh dear
Sometimes it takes time for these atheist to see the light. For their sake I just hope they don't take too long. They are just in denial of the truth, they are kinda like hoarders.
Everyone will see that the hoarder has a problem but the hoarder will not see it...they are in denial that they have a hoarding problem even while it is staring them in the face.
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
WOW, Some of the stances atheists need to take to defend their position is outrageous....
Like
Things popping into existence from nothing in this natural world,
Moral relativism,
Commandments like thou shall not murder are "outdated"...
Oh dear
Sometimes it takes time for these atheist to see the light. For their sake I just hope they don't take too long. They are just in denial of the truth, they are kinda like hoarders.
Everyone will see that the hoarder has a problem but the hoarder will not see it...they are in denial that they have a hoarding problem even while it is staring them in the face.
Sometimes it takes time for these atheist to see the light. For their sake I just hope they don't take too long. They are just in denial of the truth, they are kinda like hoarders.
Everyone will see that the hoarder has a problem but the hoarder will not see it...they are in denial that they have a hoarding problem even while it is staring them in the face.
the world is in a pride crisis right now, everything is me,me,me. they're trapt in a rap song.... i am great I am great money money money money
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:
Sometimes it takes time for these atheist to see the light. For their sake I just hope they don't take too long. They are just in denial of the truth, they are kinda like hoarders.
Everyone will see that the hoarder has a problem but the hoarder will not see it...they are in denial that they have a hoarding problem even while it is staring them in the face.
the world is in a pride crisis right now, everything is me,me,me. they're trapt in a rap song.... i am great I am great money money money money
Arguing with Atheist is a complete waste of time. No matter what you say or do they will still not believe. Atheist are cowards and they have chosen to believe the lie that is Atheism. They have checked out of life and have convinced themselves that there is no God. Constantly asking for proof and evidence when there is no proof or evidence. None is needed. God is and that's the way it is. If God himself/herself was to manifest now on this Earth the Atheist would claim something else. They will never see the Truth because they have chosen to live a life that is based on lies.
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Arguing with Atheist is a complete waste of time. No matter what you say or do they will still not believe. Atheist are cowards and they have chosen to believe the lie that is Atheism. They have checked out of life and have convinced themselves that there is no God. Constantly asking for proof and evidence when there is no proof or evidence. None is needed. God is and that's the way it is. If God himself/herself was to manifest now on this Earth the Atheist would claim something else. They will never see the Truth because they have chosen to live a life that is based on lies.
Arguing with Atheist is a complete waste of time. No matter what you say or do they will still not believe. Atheist are cowards and they have chosen to believe the lie that is Atheism. They have checked out of life and have convinced themselves that there is no God. Constantly asking for proof and evidence when there is no proof or evidence. None is needed. God is and that's the way it is. If God himself/herself was to manifest now on this Earth the Atheist would claim something else. They will never see the Truth because they have chosen to live a life that is based on lies.
Well said.
I wouldnt say that it is arguing, i would say that the believers are more defending.
You will see the atheists are starting the threads attacking religion, God etc, for no reason, it is our responsibility to defend.
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Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:
Arguing with Atheist is a complete waste of time. No matter what you say or do they will still not believe. Atheist are cowards and they have chosen to believe the lie that is Atheism. They have checked out of life and have convinced themselves that there is no God. Constantly asking for proof and evidence when there is no proof or evidence. None is needed. God is and that's the way it is. If God himself/herself was to manifest now on this Earth the Atheist would claim something else. They will never see the Truth because they have chosen to live a life that is based on lies.
Well said.
I wouldnt say that it is arguing, i would say that the believers are more defending.
You will see the atheists are starting the threads attacking religion, God etc, for no reason, it is our responsibility to defend.
Royal Professor of Law at Harvard, Simon Greenleaf, was considered to be the greatest expert of evidence the world had ever known. The Supreme Justice of the Supreme Court said that Greenleaf's testimony is the most basic and compelling testimony that can be accepted in any English speaking court in the world. When Greenleaf spoke, that settled the matter. He was far and away the most knowledgeable person on evidence the world had ever known. The London Times said that more light on jurisprudence had come from Greenleaf than all the jurists of Europe combined.
Greenleaf had one inviolable principle in his classrooms at Harvard, and that was, you never make up your mind about any significant matter without first considering the evidence. Greenleaf was not a Christian. When challenged by one of his students with this principle, he admitted that he had not considered the evidence. When he did, he became a Christian: believed in the deity, death and resurrection of Jesus.
After examining every thread of information he could find he said in his book, The Testimony of the Evangelists: The Gospels Examined for the Rules of Evidence, that if any unbiased jury in the world considered the evidence for the resurrection of Christ, they would have to conclude that Jesus of Nazareth actually rose from the dead.
And so he became a believer that Jesus was God and was converted. He wrote, "In requiring this candor and simplicity of mind, and those who would investigate the truth of our religion..." He sees that Christianity is, in fact, the only evidential historical religion in the world, and the whole things rests upon evidence which he finds so compelling and so overwhelming that any honest person with an open mind examining the evidence would be like himself inescapably drawn to accept it. And so he sets forth his first rule of legal evidence and for any other ancient document.
"Every document apparently ancient coming from the proper repository or custody and bearing on its face no evident marks of forgery, the law presumes to be genuine and devolves on the opposing party the burden of proving it to be otherwise."
"This ancient document, the Scripture, has come from the proper repository, that is, it is has been in the hands of the persons of the Church for 2000 years almost and it bears on its face no evident marks of forgery, and therefore the law presumes it to be genuine, and those who would presume otherwise upon them devolves the responsibility of proving it to be false. We don't have to prove it to be true. They have to prove it to be false. That's what the law says."
(Simon Greenleaf, The Testimony of the Evangelists: The Gospels Examined for the Rules of Evidence)
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Royal Professor of Law at Harvard, Simon Greenleaf, was considered to be the greatest expert of evidence the world had ever known. The Supreme Justice of the Supreme Court said that Greenleaf's testimony is the most basic and compelling testimony that can be accepted in any English speaking court in the world. When Greenleaf spoke, that settled the matter. He was far and away the most knowledgeable person on evidence the world had ever known. The London Times said that more light on jurisprudence had come from Greenleaf than all the jurists of Europe combined.
Greenleaf had one inviolable principle in his classrooms at Harvard, and that was, you never make up your mind about any significant matter without first considering the evidence. Greenleaf was not a Christian. When challenged by one of his students with this principle, he admitted that he had not considered the evidence. When he did, he became a Christian: believed in the deity, death and resurrection of Jesus.
After examining every thread of information he could find he said in his book, The Testimony of the Evangelists: The Gospels Examined for the Rules of Evidence, that if any unbiased jury in the world considered the evidence for the resurrection of Christ, they would have to conclude that Jesus of Nazareth actually rose from the dead.
And so he became a believer that Jesus was God and was converted. He wrote, "In requiring this candor and simplicity of mind, and those who would investigate the truth of our religion..." He sees that Christianity is, in fact, the only evidential historical religion in the world, and the whole things rests upon evidence which he finds so compelling and so overwhelming that any honest person with an open mind examining the evidence would be like himself inescapably drawn to accept it. And so he sets forth his first rule of legal evidence and for any other ancient document.
"Every document apparently ancient coming from the proper repository or custody and bearing on its face no evident marks of forgery, the law presumes to be genuine and devolves on the opposing party the burden of proving it to be otherwise."
"This ancient document, the Scripture, has come from the proper repository, that is, it is has been in the hands of the persons of the Church for 2000 years almost and it bears on its face no evident marks of forgery, and therefore the law presumes it to be genuine, and those who would presume otherwise upon them devolves the responsibility of proving it to be false. We don't have to prove it to be true. They have to prove it to be false. That's what the law says."
(Simon Greenleaf, The Testimony of the Evangelists: The Gospels Examined for the Rules of Evidence)
Arguing with Atheist is a complete waste of time. No matter what you say or do they will still not believe. Atheist are cowards and they have chosen to believe the lie that is Atheism. They have checked out of life and have convinced themselves that there is no God. Constantly asking for proof and evidence when there is no proof or evidence. None is needed. God is and that's the way it is. If God himself/herself was to manifest now on this Earth the Atheist would claim something else. They will never see the Truth because they have chosen to live a life that is based on lies.
Atheists are cowards?? Really?? I would say that since according to you all atheists face a life in hell that athiests are anything but cowards. Cowardly is excepting what you know is not certain. You may try to tell yourself it's certain, but we all know nobody truly knows. I personally consider myself a realist and not an atheist, christian, etc. I am just being true to myself. If I had any real evidence to prove the existence of god and Jesus as our savior I would gladly and excitedly dive into religion. Fact is though, I haven't seen anything to change my mind and common sense says a lot of what you speak is nonsense.
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Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:
Arguing with Atheist is a complete waste of time. No matter what you say or do they will still not believe. Atheist are cowards and they have chosen to believe the lie that is Atheism. They have checked out of life and have convinced themselves that there is no God. Constantly asking for proof and evidence when there is no proof or evidence. None is needed. God is and that's the way it is. If God himself/herself was to manifest now on this Earth the Atheist would claim something else. They will never see the Truth because they have chosen to live a life that is based on lies.
Atheists are cowards?? Really?? I would say that since according to you all atheists face a life in hell that athiests are anything but cowards. Cowardly is excepting what you know is not certain. You may try to tell yourself it's certain, but we all know nobody truly knows. I personally consider myself a realist and not an atheist, christian, etc. I am just being true to myself. If I had any real evidence to prove the existence of god and Jesus as our savior I would gladly and excitedly dive into religion. Fact is though, I haven't seen anything to change my mind and common sense says a lot of what you speak is nonsense.
Atheists are cowards?? Really?? I would say that since according to you all atheists face a life in hell that athiests are anything but cowards. Cowardly is excepting what you know is not certain. You may try to tell yourself it's certain, but we all know nobody truly knows. I personally consider myself a realist and not an atheist, christian, etc. I am just being true to myself. If I had any real evidence to prove the existence of god and Jesus as our savior I would gladly and excitedly dive into religion. Fact is though, I haven't seen anything to change my mind and common sense says a lot of what you speak is nonsense.
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Quote Originally Posted by E-Muffin:
Atheists are cowards?? Really?? I would say that since according to you all atheists face a life in hell that athiests are anything but cowards. Cowardly is excepting what you know is not certain. You may try to tell yourself it's certain, but we all know nobody truly knows. I personally consider myself a realist and not an atheist, christian, etc. I am just being true to myself. If I had any real evidence to prove the existence of god and Jesus as our savior I would gladly and excitedly dive into religion. Fact is though, I haven't seen anything to change my mind and common sense says a lot of what you speak is nonsense.
Royal Professor of Law at Harvard, Simon Greenleaf, was considered to be the greatest expert of evidence the world had ever known. The Supreme Justice of the Supreme Court said that Greenleaf's testimony is the most basic and compelling testimony that can be accepted in any English speaking court in the world. When Greenleaf spoke, that settled the matter. He was far and away the most knowledgeable person on evidence the world had ever known. The London Times said that more light on jurisprudence had come from Greenleaf than all the jurists of Europe combined.
Greenleaf had one inviolable principle in his classrooms at Harvard, and that was, you never make up your mind about any significant matter without first considering the evidence. Greenleaf was not a Christian. When challenged by one of his students with this principle, he admitted that he had not considered the evidence. When he did, he became a Christian: believed in the deity, death and resurrection of Jesus.
After examining every thread of information he could find he said in his book, The Testimony of the Evangelists: The Gospels Examined for the Rules of Evidence, that if any unbiased jury in the world considered the evidence for the resurrection of Christ, they would have to conclude that Jesus of Nazareth actually rose from the dead.
And so he became a believer that Jesus was God and was converted. He wrote, "In requiring this candor and simplicity of mind, and those who would investigate the truth of our religion..." He sees that Christianity is, in fact, the only evidential historical religion in the world, and the whole things rests upon evidence which he finds so compelling and so overwhelming that any honest person with an open mind examining the evidence would be like himself inescapably drawn to accept it. And so he sets forth his first rule of legal evidence and for any other ancient document.
"Every document apparently ancient coming from the proper repository or custody and bearing on its face no evident marks of forgery, the law presumes to be genuine and devolves on the opposing party the burden of proving it to be otherwise."
"This ancient document, the Scripture, has come from the proper repository, that is, it is has been in the hands of the persons of the Church for 2000 years almost and it bears on its face no evident marks of forgery, and therefore the law presumes it to be genuine, and those who would presume otherwise upon them devolves the responsibility of proving it to be false. We don't have to prove it to be true. They have to prove it to be false. That's what the law says."
(Simon Greenleaf, The Testimony of the Evangelists: The Gospels Examined for the Rules of Evidence)
Royal Professor of Law at Harvard, Simon Greenleaf, was considered to be the greatest expert of evidence the world had ever known. The Supreme Justice of the Supreme Court said that Greenleaf's testimony is the most basic and compelling testimony that can be accepted in any English speaking court in the world. When Greenleaf spoke, that settled the matter. He was far and away the most knowledgeable person on evidence the world had ever known. The London Times said that more light on jurisprudence had come from Greenleaf than all the jurists of Europe combined.
Greenleaf had one inviolable principle in his classrooms at Harvard, and that was, you never make up your mind about any significant matter without first considering the evidence. Greenleaf was not a Christian. When challenged by one of his students with this principle, he admitted that he had not considered the evidence. When he did, he became a Christian: believed in the deity, death and resurrection of Jesus.
After examining every thread of information he could find he said in his book, The Testimony of the Evangelists: The Gospels Examined for the Rules of Evidence, that if any unbiased jury in the world considered the evidence for the resurrection of Christ, they would have to conclude that Jesus of Nazareth actually rose from the dead.
And so he became a believer that Jesus was God and was converted. He wrote, "In requiring this candor and simplicity of mind, and those who would investigate the truth of our religion..." He sees that Christianity is, in fact, the only evidential historical religion in the world, and the whole things rests upon evidence which he finds so compelling and so overwhelming that any honest person with an open mind examining the evidence would be like himself inescapably drawn to accept it. And so he sets forth his first rule of legal evidence and for any other ancient document.
"Every document apparently ancient coming from the proper repository or custody and bearing on its face no evident marks of forgery, the law presumes to be genuine and devolves on the opposing party the burden of proving it to be otherwise."
"This ancient document, the Scripture, has come from the proper repository, that is, it is has been in the hands of the persons of the Church for 2000 years almost and it bears on its face no evident marks of forgery, and therefore the law presumes it to be genuine, and those who would presume otherwise upon them devolves the responsibility of proving it to be false. We don't have to prove it to be true. They have to prove it to be false. That's what the law says."
(Simon Greenleaf, The Testimony of the Evangelists: The Gospels Examined for the Rules of Evidence)
My degenerate brothers, Christ is god in living flesh. GODs thoughts are not our thoughts. He loves us so much and his ways are not our ways. He's perfect and we cannot understand perfect because we are not. He died so that we would have a chance to live again forever without pain and suffering as we know it in this life. It's hard to comprehend. There's alot of info on Christ and it's not going away. Why are christians being persecuted all over the world? Why are bible prophsies being ful filled if it is written by some quacks back in the day? Be careful what you say and believe. Seek and you will find. We spend more time researching our daily pic's than we do just about anything else. And the funning thing is that most of us are chasing are money for whatever reason. We all have free will to think and believe as we want. We think we're in control, Ha! We all should worship CHRIST we'll be better off.
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My degenerate brothers, Christ is god in living flesh. GODs thoughts are not our thoughts. He loves us so much and his ways are not our ways. He's perfect and we cannot understand perfect because we are not. He died so that we would have a chance to live again forever without pain and suffering as we know it in this life. It's hard to comprehend. There's alot of info on Christ and it's not going away. Why are christians being persecuted all over the world? Why are bible prophsies being ful filled if it is written by some quacks back in the day? Be careful what you say and believe. Seek and you will find. We spend more time researching our daily pic's than we do just about anything else. And the funning thing is that most of us are chasing are money for whatever reason. We all have free will to think and believe as we want. We think we're in control, Ha! We all should worship CHRIST we'll be better off.
Arguing with Atheist is a complete waste of time. No matter what you say or do they will still not believe. Atheist are cowards and they have chosen to believe the lie that is Atheism. They have checked out of life and have convinced themselves that there is no God. Constantly asking for proof and evidence when there is no proof or evidence. None is needed. God is and that's the way it is. If God himself/herself was to manifest now on this Earth the Atheist would claim something else. They will never see the Truth because they have chosen to live a life that is based on lies.
says the guy with the half naked chick with her ass sticking out avatar...
you don't even believe...
typical religious hypocrite
"god is and that's the way it is" ok, I'm sold
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Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:
Arguing with Atheist is a complete waste of time. No matter what you say or do they will still not believe. Atheist are cowards and they have chosen to believe the lie that is Atheism. They have checked out of life and have convinced themselves that there is no God. Constantly asking for proof and evidence when there is no proof or evidence. None is needed. God is and that's the way it is. If God himself/herself was to manifest now on this Earth the Atheist would claim something else. They will never see the Truth because they have chosen to live a life that is based on lies.
says the guy with the half naked chick with her ass sticking out avatar...
Atheists are cowards?? Really?? I would say that since according to you all atheists face a life in hell that athiests are anything but cowards. Cowardly is excepting what you know is not certain. You may try to tell yourself it's certain, but we all know nobody truly knows. I personally consider myself a realist and not an atheist, christian, etc. I am just being true to myself. If I had any real evidence to prove the existence of god and Jesus as our savior I would gladly and excitedly dive into religion. Fact is though, I haven't seen anything to change my mind and common sense says a lot of what you speak is nonsense.
I wouldn't say atheists or believers are cowards, we all have our personal reasons why we believe or don't believe.
You speak of having no real evidence...what real evidence do you need? Do you want God to personally appear to you and perform a few miracles for you to believe?
Look around you, are you blind not to see any kind of evidence? Just nature itself should make you ponder how did all these things begin to exist. How amazing that our own sun, according to scientists, has already been in existence for approx 4.57 billion years and is expected to have an overall life expectancy of 10 billion years.
It is fascinating mind-boggling stuff. The sun has been regarded by some cultures as a deity but of course we Christians believe that the creation of the sun and everything else in existence was created by Almighty God.
Then there is the Holy Bible as another piece of evidence of the existence of God. You have to give yourself a chance to believe by reading the bible, it is a very fascinating, inspirational, powerful book to say the least.
I don't know about you but when I die, I don't want my consciousness to die, I want to dwell and be with God Almighty in His Kingdom of Heaven for all eternity with other people who are also saved.
I enjoy my life and want more of it, I want eternal life that Almighty God has promised us believers He will give us if we accept His only begotten Son Jesus Christ Our Lord Savior who died on the cross for us and if we repent our pass sins. What a gracious gift to receive from Him! There is no gift here on earth that could even remotely come close and compare with His awesome gift!
Like most people who are curious, I have questions I want to ask our Lord God and knowing that I will have all eternity, I'm sure He will find some time to answer me.
No, I refuse to be a non-believer, who see nothing to look forward to after their deaths here on earth, who believe there is absolutely nothing after death but death itself with no more consciousness, just total non-existence nothing...how sad indeed to believe in nothing!
How meaningless it would be to have lived life here on earth in the 1st place.
No, I just can't accept that and believe that...that's just pure non-sense, I choose to be a believer in Almighty God the Creator of the universe and everything else in existence....Amen!
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Quote Originally Posted by E-Muffin:
Atheists are cowards?? Really?? I would say that since according to you all atheists face a life in hell that athiests are anything but cowards. Cowardly is excepting what you know is not certain. You may try to tell yourself it's certain, but we all know nobody truly knows. I personally consider myself a realist and not an atheist, christian, etc. I am just being true to myself. If I had any real evidence to prove the existence of god and Jesus as our savior I would gladly and excitedly dive into religion. Fact is though, I haven't seen anything to change my mind and common sense says a lot of what you speak is nonsense.
I wouldn't say atheists or believers are cowards, we all have our personal reasons why we believe or don't believe.
You speak of having no real evidence...what real evidence do you need? Do you want God to personally appear to you and perform a few miracles for you to believe?
Look around you, are you blind not to see any kind of evidence? Just nature itself should make you ponder how did all these things begin to exist. How amazing that our own sun, according to scientists, has already been in existence for approx 4.57 billion years and is expected to have an overall life expectancy of 10 billion years.
It is fascinating mind-boggling stuff. The sun has been regarded by some cultures as a deity but of course we Christians believe that the creation of the sun and everything else in existence was created by Almighty God.
Then there is the Holy Bible as another piece of evidence of the existence of God. You have to give yourself a chance to believe by reading the bible, it is a very fascinating, inspirational, powerful book to say the least.
I don't know about you but when I die, I don't want my consciousness to die, I want to dwell and be with God Almighty in His Kingdom of Heaven for all eternity with other people who are also saved.
I enjoy my life and want more of it, I want eternal life that Almighty God has promised us believers He will give us if we accept His only begotten Son Jesus Christ Our Lord Savior who died on the cross for us and if we repent our pass sins. What a gracious gift to receive from Him! There is no gift here on earth that could even remotely come close and compare with His awesome gift!
Like most people who are curious, I have questions I want to ask our Lord God and knowing that I will have all eternity, I'm sure He will find some time to answer me.
No, I refuse to be a non-believer, who see nothing to look forward to after their deaths here on earth, who believe there is absolutely nothing after death but death itself with no more consciousness, just total non-existence nothing...how sad indeed to believe in nothing!
How meaningless it would be to have lived life here on earth in the 1st place.
No, I just can't accept that and believe that...that's just pure non-sense, I choose to be a believer in Almighty God the Creator of the universe and everything else in existence....Amen!
My degenerate brothers, Christ is god in living flesh. GODs thoughts are not our thoughts. He loves us so much and his ways are not our ways. He's perfect and we cannot understand perfect because we are not. He died so that we would have a chance to live again forever without pain and suffering as we know it in this life. It's hard to comprehend. There's alot of info on Christ and it's not going away. Why are christians being persecuted all over the world? Why are bible prophsies being ful filled if it is written by some quacks back in the day? Be careful what you say and believe. Seek and you will find. We spend more time researching our daily pic's than we do just about anything else. And the funning thing is that most of us are chasing are money for whatever reason. We all have free will to think and believe as we want. We think we're in control, Ha! We all should worship CHRIST we'll be better off.
Right, a life long Christian that mocked Christianity in his classrooms and tried to debunk the bible?
Dr. Simon Greenleaf was a skeptic from Harvard law school who wrote three volumes on the laws of legal evidence, and mocked Christians in his law classes. But he was challenged by Christian students to apply his own book to the resurrection of Jesus. Taking the challenge, he concluded that the evidence was so convincing, he became a believer. He later wrote, "The resurrection of Jesus is one of the best established facts of history."
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Quote Originally Posted by Hawkbet:
My degenerate brothers, Christ is god in living flesh. GODs thoughts are not our thoughts. He loves us so much and his ways are not our ways. He's perfect and we cannot understand perfect because we are not. He died so that we would have a chance to live again forever without pain and suffering as we know it in this life. It's hard to comprehend. There's alot of info on Christ and it's not going away. Why are christians being persecuted all over the world? Why are bible prophsies being ful filled if it is written by some quacks back in the day? Be careful what you say and believe. Seek and you will find. We spend more time researching our daily pic's than we do just about anything else. And the funning thing is that most of us are chasing are money for whatever reason. We all have free will to think and believe as we want. We think we're in control, Ha! We all should worship CHRIST we'll be better off.
Right, a life long Christian that mocked Christianity in his classrooms and tried to debunk the bible?
Dr. Simon Greenleaf was a skeptic from Harvard law school who wrote three volumes on the laws of legal evidence, and mocked Christians in his law classes. But he was challenged by Christian students to apply his own book to the resurrection of Jesus. Taking the challenge, he concluded that the evidence was so convincing, he became a believer. He later wrote, "The resurrection of Jesus is one of the best established facts of history."
Right, a life long Christian that mocked Christianity in his classrooms and tried to debunk the bible?
Dr. Simon Greenleaf was a skeptic from Harvard law school who wrote three volumes on the laws of legal evidence, and mocked Christians in his law classes. But he was challenged by Christian students to apply his own book to the resurrection of Jesus. Taking the challenge, he concluded that the evidence was so convincing, he became a believer. He later wrote, "The resurrection of Jesus is one of the best established facts of history."
I tried to reply to Crrecords post but it kept on defaulting to Hawkbet.
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
Right, a life long Christian that mocked Christianity in his classrooms and tried to debunk the bible?
Dr. Simon Greenleaf was a skeptic from Harvard law school who wrote three volumes on the laws of legal evidence, and mocked Christians in his law classes. But he was challenged by Christian students to apply his own book to the resurrection of Jesus. Taking the challenge, he concluded that the evidence was so convincing, he became a believer. He later wrote, "The resurrection of Jesus is one of the best established facts of history."
I tried to reply to Crrecords post but it kept on defaulting to Hawkbet.
Atheists are cowards?? Really?? I would say that since according to you all atheists face a life in hell that athiests are anything but cowards. Cowardly is excepting what you know is not certain. You may try to tell yourself it's certain, but we all know nobody truly knows. I personally consider myself a realist and not an atheist, christian, etc. I am just being true to myself. If I had any real evidence to prove the existence of god and Jesus as our savior I would gladly and excitedly dive into religion. Fact is though, I haven't seen anything to change my mind and common sense says a lot of what you speak is nonsense.
I'd rather be playing D&D.
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Quote Originally Posted by E-Muffin:
Atheists are cowards?? Really?? I would say that since according to you all atheists face a life in hell that athiests are anything but cowards. Cowardly is excepting what you know is not certain. You may try to tell yourself it's certain, but we all know nobody truly knows. I personally consider myself a realist and not an atheist, christian, etc. I am just being true to myself. If I had any real evidence to prove the existence of god and Jesus as our savior I would gladly and excitedly dive into religion. Fact is though, I haven't seen anything to change my mind and common sense says a lot of what you speak is nonsense.
Some here are saying Tim Tebow is Jesus. Some people believe in him and try to point to wins because they are in the book, but the smart money is on that he is a fraud and ultimately will be found to not be able to back up what he preaches.
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I'd rather be playing D&D.
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Quote Originally Posted by E-Muffin:
Some here are saying Tim Tebow is Jesus. Some people believe in him and try to point to wins because they are in the book, but the smart money is on that he is a fraud and ultimately will be found to not be able to back up what he preaches.
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