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Posted: #101
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Can you PROVE to me that it was a myth?

Empirical evidence?

I will be waiting

Oh, and answer post 21 while you are at it.

 
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Wrong

Faith is trust, hope and belief in the goodness, trustworthiness or reliability of a person, concept or entity.

Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

Let me ask you this, do you have proof that the Christian God doesnt exist OR do you believe God doesnt exist?

 
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Posted: #103
Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Let me ask you this, do you have proof that the Christian God doesnt exist OR do you believe God doesnt exist?


I have no proof that one does exist, just as I have no proof that Zeus exists or leprechauns exists or big foot exists or ufo's exists

so try again


 
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I have no proof that one does exist, just as I have no proof that Zeus exists or leprechauns exists or big foot exists or ufo's exists

so try again


Thats right, you have NO PROOF......

You have NO EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE

When you say you have no proof, but you make a comment based on your belief, the shortfall between emprical evidence and belief is called faith. Just like theists, atheists have faith as well.

You dont believe the Christian God exists, as you have NO EMPIRICAL evidence, your conviction requires faith.

Ohterwise, if you dont  like to have the term "faith" associated with you, then you must be an agnostic, in that case, dont bag out anyones religion

 
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many people were crucified and many people have been through far greater pain...keep drinking that juice


Yeah but none of them could have called 10000 legions of angels to destroy the world in a fiery vengeance.  And most of them deserved it.
 
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Thought I was on covers, where did this thread come from?

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When I want to have this discussion with people in the real world they all think I am insane.
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Their are many independent records (outside the bible) of Jesus Christ.

Name some, site the sources. As a human I know that no one else like me has some sort of super power. There are no voices from God. All reality happens between your ears. Even your vision only gives you a little bit of hard information, the brain just fills in the blanks as what it has learned should be there. The questions to the origins of life, and evolution, plus cosmology have been becoming increasingly more answerable due to continued application of the scientific method.

And one thing for sure, I have no recollection of not being before I was born, and I won't have any experience of anything once I'm dead. "Jesus" is for the poor saps who cannot look upon the nature of oblivion, obliteration, non-being, and accept it. Does living, and dying happen once, or more than once. No way of knowing. If it can happen once, it can happen again. What is a billion to one when you have unlimited time? It means it happens (life) constantly, but in what form, and the time lag (infinities) between???



 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Thats right, you have NO PROOF......

You have NO EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE

When you say you have no proof, but you make a comment based on your belief, the shortfall between emprical evidence and belief is called faith. Just like theists, atheists have faith as well.

You dont believe the Christian God exists, as you have NO EMPIRICAL evidence, your conviction requires faith.

Ohterwise, if you dont  like to have the term "faith" associated with you, then you must be an agnostic, in that case, dont bag out anyones religion

Science pretty much concludes there is no such thing as god. Do the research. It is hard to follow logical thought, it requires to put aside (religious) dogma, and open ones mind to other possabilities, and concentration. I would also say peoples religious affiliation is based on geography. Where you are born will determine, for the most part, what you to believe to be absolute truths. God, politics, nationalism, etc.

What this shows is people will believe what they are told, not so much what is the truth of anything. When one sees that all around you eventually dies, and you understand the implication of what that means for your mortal ego, well one recoils in horror, and looks for a way out.

Delusional thinking is what you got there with a whatever local flavor you grew up in.

Remember, you believe in god because someone told/taught you to.
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"My name for the statistical demonstration that god almost certainly does not exist is the Ultimate Boeing 747 gambit...that the probability of life originating on Earth is no greater than the chance that a hurricane, sweeping through a scrap yard, would have the luck to assemble a Boing 747... This, in a nutshell, is the creationist's favorite argument-an argument that could be made only by someone who doesn't understand the first thing about natural selection; somebody who thinks natural selection is a theory of chance-it is the opposite."

"The argument from improbability states that complex things could not have come about by chance. But many people define 'come by chance' as a synonym for 'come about in the absence of deliberate design'.

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"A deep understanding of Darwinism teaches us to be wary of the easy assumption that design is the only alternative to chance, and teaches us to seek graded ramps of slowly increasing complexity."

Another favorite saying of mine; "I'd take the awe of understanding oover the awe of ignorance any day".
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Quote Originally Posted by rpw612:

Well put Sir Drake.

Toliver,  man has free will. 


Another delusion.... If you can prove free will, you will make a lot of money. This question, do women have free will or not, has a lengthy history of debate by great minds, and now the science of the mind is becoming more and more known. So far all information points to stimulus and response, with environmental/cultural pressures adding some direction.
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jagerfury   nicely said 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

Name some, site the sources. As a human I know that no one else like me has some sort of super power. There are no voices from God. All reality happens between your ears. Even your vision only gives you a little bit of hard information, the brain just fills in the blanks as what it has learned should be there. The questions to the origins of life, and evolution, plus cosmology have been becoming increasingly more answerable due to continued application of the scientific method.

And one thing for sure, I have no recollection of not being before I was born, and I won't have any experience of anything once I'm dead. "Jesus" is for the poor saps who cannot look upon the nature of oblivion, obliteration, non-being, and accept it. Does living, and dying happen once, or more than once. No way of knowing. If it can happen once, it can happen again. What is a billion to one when you have unlimited time? It means it happens (life) constantly, but in what form, and the time lag (infinities) between???



 

This is an indication that you havent read any of the posts here.

I wont answer your posts till you go through them.

Furthermore, before you decide to write more, read through the thread "post your tough questions regarding Christianity".

Then once you start to break down my arguments that arent based on "emotio" or "why the world is an unfair place" as the reason for no God, then i will enter into a dialogue with you.

 
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Posted: #116
Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

This is an indication that you havent read any of the posts here.

I wont answer your posts till you go through them.

Furthermore, before you decide to write more, read through the thread "post your tough questions regarding Christianity".

Then once you start to break down my arguments that arent based on "emotio" or "why the world is an unfair place" as the reason for no God, then i will enter into a dialogue with you.

you cant answer any of his posts because you have the iq of a french fry. you, sjd and now ex4life make up the holy trinity of fucktards on this site. not one of you have made any compelling argument or shown any bit of fact to prove your fairy tales. sjd and now ex4life do nothing but cut and paste completely untrue pro christian bullshit and you have done nothing but regurgitate the same 2 questions over and over and over even though system and countless others have answered and explained them ad nauseum. the only intelligent questions/responses posted in any of these threads have been from the so called heathens, who seem to have an open mind and like to think rather than blindly follow. im surprised you find the time to even make it in to these threads since the only other thing ive seen from you is complaining how every game/sport is rigged since you cant ever win a bet. i sincerely hope that one of these days you and the rest of the brainwashed crew will take a little time and do some unbiased research into this topic and be able to come to an actual informed conclusion. maybe then you will have something pertinent to say that can be backed up by facts. dont bother with a feeble attempt at a response as i am not going to open this or any other of these time wasting threads again.
oh since you still havent been able to figure out the answer to your lame ass question from #21 it is....because he used his brain. the same way over 2000 years ago archimedes figured out the fundamentals of buoyancy, the same way over 2000 years ago ptolemy used math to figure out stars movements, and plato, socrates, the egyptains building the pyramids, and i could go on and on and on. just because it takes divine intervention to kickstart you brain doesnt mean the rest of the world does. i wonder sometimes if youre even smart enough to find your way out of the house in the morning
 
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Rostos, your arguments are old and tired. Arguments for the existence of god have been codified for centuries by theologians, and supplemented by others, including purveyors of misconceived 'common sense'.

A classic is Thomas Aquinas' 'proofs'. They are 1. The unmoved mover, 2. The uncaused cause, 3. The cosmological argument, 4. The argument from degree, and 5. The teleological argument, or the argument from design.

The argument from design is the only one still in regular use today. Even the young Darwin was impressed by it when he read it in William Paley's Natural Theology. But the mature Darwin blew it out of the water. There has probably never been a more devastating rout of popular belief than Charles Darwin's destruction of the argument from design.
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Most arguments for the existence of god fall into two main categories, the a priori and the a posteriori. Aquinas' five proofs are a posteriori arguments, relying on inspection of the world. The most famous of the a priori arguments, those that rely upon pure armchair ratiocination, is the ontological argument, proposed by St. Anselm of Canterbury in 1078 and restated in different forms by numerous philosophers ever since. The most definitive refutations of the ontological argument are usually attributed to David Hume and Immanuel Kant.
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And to cover some other hair brained bullshit you may have brought forward, it can probably be found at either godlessgeeks dot com or godproof.htm, a comic numbered list of over three hundred proofs of god's existence. Here are some; The argument from incomplete devastation, argument from possible worlds, argument from sheer will, argument from post death experience, argument from emotional blackmail... I'm sure your suspect arguments can be found amongst them.
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And to round out the list of usual arguments for the existence of god trundled out as ironclad you have
the argument from beauty,
the arguments from personal experience,
the argument from scripture,
the argument from admired religious scientists,
pascal's wager (every gambler should know this),and 
bayesian arguments.

Your ground has been covered, and found wanting.
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you cant answer any of his posts because you have the iq of a french fry. you, sjd and now ex4life make up the holy trinity of fucktards on this site. not one of you have made any compelling argument or shown any bit of fact to prove your fairy tales. sjd and now ex4life do nothing but cut and paste completely untrue pro christian bullshit and you have done nothing but regurgitate the same 2 questions over and over and over even though system and countless others have answered and explained them ad nauseum. the only intelligent questions/responses posted in any of these threads have been from the so called heathens, who seem to have an open mind and like to think rather than blindly follow. im surprised you find the time to even make it in to these threads since the only other thing ive seen from you is complaining how every game/sport is rigged since you cant ever win a bet. i sincerely hope that one of these days you and the rest of the brainwashed crew will take a little time and do some unbiased research into this topic and be able to come to an actual informed conclusion. maybe then you will have something pertinent to say that can be backed up by facts. dont bother with a feeble attempt at a response as i am not going to open this or any other of these time wasting threads again.
oh since you still havent been able to figure out the answer to your lame ass question from #21 it is....because he used his brain. the same way over 2000 years ago archimedes figured out the fundamentals of buoyancy, the same way over 2000 years ago ptolemy used math to figure out stars movements, and plato, socrates, the egyptains building the pyramids, and i could go on and on and on. just because it takes divine intervention to kickstart you brain doesnt mean the rest of the world does. i wonder sometimes if youre even smart enough to find your way out of the house in the morning

 
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Careful fellas, I know you think you have life by the balls because you win a few wagers.  If you live to see 80 and beat cancer or an accident, I doubt you will be calling for your bookie in a time of need.  It is okay to believe in something, not just ESPN in life.  Believing in something as powerful as Jesus, might actually make you a better person.  But in this world you have to defend yourself for believing in something positive, just the way the growing dark side wants it.  The more blurry the more they have you.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by misfits:

you cant answer any of his posts because you have the iq of a french fry. you, sjd and now ex4life

Why are you attacking us personally? Normally when that happens, a raw nerve has been hit. We never attacked you personally yet you have done this to us. Play the issue, not the man. When someones nerve has been hit, they are balking at the issue cause they no they have no argument. Taking tips of Richard Dawkins are we?

make up the holy trinity of fucktards on this site

Now, you are swearing at us when we havent sworn at you. again, a raw nerve has been

. not one of you have made any compelling argument or shown any bit of fact to prove your fairy tales. sjd and now ex4life do nothing but cut and paste completely untrue pro christian bullshit and you have done nothing but regurgitate the same 2 questions over and over and over even though system and countless others have answered and explained them ad nauseum. the only intelligent questions/responses posted in any of these threads have been from the so called heathens, who seem to have an open mind and like to think rather than blindly follow. im surprised you find the time to even make it in to these threads since the only other thing ive seen from you is complaining how every game/sport is rigged since you cant ever win a bet.

Here you have just made NOTHING but an EMOTIONAL rant based on absilutely NOTHING. Furthermore, what does sport got to do with religion? Whats the connection. Does it prove or disprove God? . If i bet on sport, rape someone, murder someone, does it prove or disprove God?

 i sincerely hope that one of these days you and the rest of the brainwashed crew will take a little time and do some unbiased research into this topic and be able to come to an actual informed conclusion. maybe then you will have something pertinent to say that can be backed up by facts. dont bother with a feeble attempt at a response as i am not going to open this or any other of these time wasting threads again.

Like what, so i can be brainwashed by people like Stephen Hawking who said the "universe created itself out of nothing by nothing for nothing"?  Oh, or where life can suddenly appear itslf out of non life, even though centuries of lab testing hasnt been able to reproduce this? I am sorry mate, but the reality i dont have as much faith as you to believe in that rubbish.
oh since you still havent been able to figure out the answer to your lame ass question from #21 it is....because he used his brain.

Right, so the general consensus was that the universe was eternal, even by the scientific community, yet it was only accepted by cosmology in the last 30 years that the universe began. Oh wait, i suppose the writer of Genisis was just a good capper.

 the same way over 2000 years ago archimedes figured out the fundamentals of buoyancy, the same way over 2000 years ago ptolemy used math to figure out stars movements, and plato, socrates, the egyptains building the pyramids, and i could go on and on and on. just because it takes divine intervention to kickstart you brain doesnt mean the rest of the world does. i wonder sometimes if youre even smart enough to find your way out of the house in the morning.

All those are OBSERVABLE in the world with the technology they had, logic and research. Something like the origins of the universe could not be proven scientifically UNLESS we have the technology of today.

All in all, what you just did, was personally insulted a few covers member, sworn at our beliefs, made a reference to sport which has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with this topic of discussion and made a laughable attempt at answering post 21.

You wouldnt be able to effectively defeat a grade 7 religious studies student with your logic.

 

 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

Rostos, your arguments are old and tired. Arguments for the existence of god have been codified for centuries by theologians, and supplemented by others, including purveyors of misconceived 'common sense'.

A classic is Thomas Aquinas' 'proofs'. They are 1. The unmoved mover, 2. The uncaused cause, 3. The cosmological argument, 4. The argument from degree, and 5. The teleological argument, or the argument from design.

The argument from design is the only one still in regular use today. Even the young Darwin was impressed by it when he read it in William Paley's Natural Theology. But the mature Darwin blew it out of the water. There has probably never been a more devastating rout of popular belief than Charles Darwin's destruction of the argument from design.

Old and tired? So you say that i have been using arguments that theoligians have been using for centuries such as the origins of the universe are old and tired. Let me see, gensis writes, the universe began to exist. Yet scientists, cosmologists and atheists BELIEVED the universe was ETERNAL. It wasnt until Edwin Hubble, Albert Eisntein and modern technology have CONFIRMED the universe BEGAN to exist. This has forced atheists to look like fools when they are forced to believe the universe poppped into existence out of nothing. And you have the hide to say my arguments are flawed? I suppose a camel doesnt see its own hump.

You refernce Darwin, wasnt he the one who said in his own words that if his theory of evolution was true, we would expect to see thousands and thousands of "transitional" fossils int he next 100 years? Well, guess what, 150 odd years later, we have a handful which are debatable at best.

Regarding the design argument, what is your response, the multiverse theory , which is JUST A THEORY made up to get around the origins and design argument. Wishful thinking.

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