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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

if we want to be consistent in the logic of atheists, then as that Syracuse coach is accused of child molestation, lets be consistent with the atheists and say not only ALL coaches are molesters, but the Syracuse programme teaches child rape....



Syracuse didnt transfer the coach to another school so it could happen again.  Everyone knows a child molester continues the same behavior over and over again.

not everyone who does not believe in church or your bullshit is an atheist.   Plenty believe in ghosts and spirits but don't need the ramblings of a jackass like yourself or believe in church.

I remember when the church would not allow a woman who had been divorced to sit in the pews, they would have to stand in the far back in shame.  I lived that as well, my mother did what she had too by getting divorced and was no longer welcomed at church. and when remarried she put up with 33 years of physical and mental abuse because of how shamed she felt from the first divorce, the prick is now a religious church going nut........real Christian place where pedophiles can confide with other pedophiles with "confession" and get protection and where good people are ostracized for doing right
 
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and the prick divorced her after 33 years of abuse and stole everything she worked for, including the home she paid for, it was easy her mind finally broke and now I have to take care of a broken mind of a once good strong person.  Ask anyone at his church and he is just loved and we are looked at as crazy for saying what he has done......  A big facade goes on in every church....and as long as a person goes through the motions the other sheep welcome evil with open arms

FUCK CHURCH and religion 

I don't need either to do right and any organization that has protected molesters like the church I want no part of
 
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and that is my final word on this bullshit thread............

bible thumping nut jobs.........  I don't trust anyone who needs a book to know the difference between right and wrong and even worse quotes the ramblings of a previous nut job. 


 
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You said in POST #1325 "The church not only protects its pedophiles but relocates them to a different parish and settled lawsuits for decades to keep the secret, only after people started realizing this was common practice worldwide did the church have a "meeting" saying the pedophilia should stop.
not once did anyone fire a bishop or say the pope should resign.

and if the pope believes in God's will why drive around in a bullet proof car.  If any should not be afraid of death it should be the pope.

The Vatican where people stand in the square waiting to see the pope and get robbed by professional pick pockets..........yeah dont blame the church but people like you blame Paterno

MY COMMENTS/ANSWER

First, let me be abundantly clear, as an Evangelical Protestant Christian man and most of the same organizations that believe the same as I do.

We have very strong disagreements with virtually every area of Roman Catholic doctrine and practice. 

Second, with the priesthood of all believers and Jesus' fulfillment/completion of the Old Testament sacrificial system and priesthood, we do not believe the New Testament instructs that there should even be priests.
Biblically speaking, a priest is a mediator (primarily through sacrifices) between God and man. With the Jesus as our High Priest, we already have direct access to God (Hebrews 4:14-16) and have no need for any other mediator (1 Timothy 2:5).

Third, it is important not to take the horribly evil actions of some Roman Catholic priests and attribute them to the entire Roman Catholic priesthood.

While we strongly disagree with virtually every area of Roman Catholic doctrine and practice, we have no doubt that many Roman Catholic priests truly love the Lord Jesus Christ, truly desire to minister to people, and would absolutely never molest a child.

It is impossible to discover how many "pedophile priests" have been, or still are, active in the Roman Catholic Church. Whatever the number is, it is surely an exceedingly small percentage. The vast majorities of Catholic priests have never, and would never, molest or harm a child in any way.






 
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Continued concerning your post #1325...

What is the cause of the sexual abuse that has taken place in the Roman Catholic Church? 

Our contention is that the unbiblical requirement that priests be celibate is a primary cause, if not the ultimate cause. It is biblical that celibacy can be useful to ministry (1 Corinthians 7:32-34).

At the same time, it is completely unbiblical for any church to require celibacy among its leaders.
In the qualifications from church leadership sections (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:6-9), the Apostle Paul assumes that bishops, elders, overseers, and deacons will be married and have children.

While these qualifications should not be viewed as requiring marriage/family to serve in church leadership, they are most definitely an allowance for married men to serve as leaders in the church. It is therefore completely anti-biblical for any church to require celibacy of its leaders.

The unbiblical requirement of celibacy on priests in the Roman Catholic Church likely contributes to sexual abuse in the following ways:

(1) Men whom God did not intend/design to be celibate are forced to be celibate, resulting in sexual tension and stress.

(2) With the very difficult requirement of celibacy, the Catholic priesthood attracts a higher percentage of men with abnormal sexual tendencies. 
Whether (1) or (2) is more prominent, the unbiblical requirement of celibacy is the cause. 

In the case of (1), men whom God did not design to be celibate are forced to be celibate, resulting in these men seeking sexual release in "alternative" ways.

In the case of (2), men without natural sexual desires are more willing to make the sacrifice of celibacy, which, when they give in to sexual temptations, results in unnatural sexual acts, whether it be homosexuality or pedophilia.

Whatever the cause, pedophile priests should be arrested and punished just as any other pedophile would be. Anyone covering up or, by negligence, enabling pedophilia in the church should be prosecuted. A priest who has sexually abused a child, or an adult for that matter, should never be allowed back into church leadership, as he could most definitely not be considered "above reproach" (1 Timothy 3:2).

The pedophile priest scandal in the Roman Catholic Church is absolutely horrid. There is nothing more antithetical to the message of Christ than priests sexually abusing children. May God use this scandal to awaken the church of Jesus Christ to the presence of apostates within the church and to strongly motivate the church to be fully biblical in all of its beliefs and practices.
 
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booyahz123,

In your posts 1327,1328,1329...

First let me say, that this is a horrible reality that happened to you and your family and I know that your are not looking for my sympathy or anyone's for that matter.

And since you and your family was hurt so badly by these hypocritical jerks, then I as a Christian am probably one of the last people on earth that you want to be talking to.

So, I will respect that and understand you for feeling and thinking the way that you do.

So, I will make these last few comments and posts to you and then stop, unless in time you want to continue to have a conversation, then I will, but other than you saying so I will not.

Again, I know that you are not wanting my sympathy, but I feel compelled to apologize for what had happened to you and your family.

I am sorry that this jerk, the fake Church people and the hypocritical leaders hurt you and your family and ruined your perception of the Church as a whole.

There are some many people out there that claim to be a Christian, follower of Christ etc. and many of them are the exact opposite of everything they claim to be. 

As well as many of them say and do far worse things then many of the people that are locked up in jail right now.

And this is COMPLETELY WRONG AND AN ATROCITY TO THE ONE MILLION-ITH DEGREE. 
THEY ARE NOT TRUE CHRISTIANS AND MAKE THE REAL CHRISTIANS, THE CHURCH AND CHRIST LOOK BAD.

They hurt people in so many ways that it is unbelievable!!!

I could go on and on about this. But I do not want to bore you.

Again I am sorry!

I will make a few more posts about hypocrites and then I will drop responding to you in this thread, unless you state otherwise.
Matt

 
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Continued...about the hypocrites,

Unfortunately, some feel justified in their view that all Christians are hypocrites.

The term “hypocrite” enjoys a rich heritage in the English language. The term comes to us via the Latin hypocrisies meaning “play-acting, pretense.” Further back, the word occurs in both classical and New Testament Greek and has the very same idea—to play a part, pretend.

This is the way the Lord Jesus employed the term.

For example, when Christ taught the significance of prayer, fasting, and alms-giving for kingdom people, He discouraged us from following the examples of those who are hypocrites (Matthew 6:2, 5, 16).

By making long public prayers, employing extreme measures to ensure others noticed their fasts, and parading their gifts to the Temple and the poor, they revealed only an outward attachment to the Lord. 

While the Pharisees performed well their dramatic role as public examples of religious virtue, they failed miserably in the inner world of the heart where true virtue resides (Matthew 23:13-33; Mark 7:20-23).

Jesus never called His disciples hypocrites.

That name was given only to misguided religious zealots. 

Rather, He called His own “followers,” “babes,” “sheep,” and His “church.” In addition, there is a warning in the New Testament about the sin of hypocrisy (1 Peter 2:1), which Peter calls “insincerity.” 

Also, two blatant examples of hypocrisy are recorded in the church.

In Acts 5:1-10, two disciples are exposed for pretending to be more generous than they were. The consequence was severe. And, of all people, Peter is charged with leading a group of hypocrites in their treatment of Gentile believers (Galatians 2:13).

From the New Testament teaching, then, we may draw at least two conclusions.

First, hypocrites do exist among professing Christians. They were present in the beginning, and, according to Jesus’ parable of the tares and wheat, they will certainly exist until the end of the age (Matthew 13:18-30). 

In addition, if even an apostle may be guilty of hypocrisy, there is no reason to believe “ordinary” Christians will be free from it. We must always be on our guard that we do not fall into the very same temptations (1 Corinthians 10:12).



 
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Part 2 Continued...about the hypocrites,

Of course, not everyone who claims to be a Christian is truly a Christian. 

Perhaps all or most of the famous hypocrites among Christians were in fact pretenders and deceivers.

To this day, prominent Christian leaders have fallen into terrible sins. Financial and sexual scandals sometimes seem to plague the Christian community. 

However, instead of taking the actions of a few and using them to denigrate the whole community of Christians, we need to ask whether all those who claim to be Christians really are.

Numerous biblical passages confirm that those who truly belong to Christ will exhibit the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23). Jesus’ parable of the seed and the soils in Matthew 13 makes it clear that not all professions of faith in Him are genuine.

Sadly, many who profess to belong to Him will be stunned one day to hear Him say to them, “I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!” (Matthew 7:23). 

Second, while it should not surprise us that people who pretend to be more holy than they are claim to be Christians, we cannot conclude that the church is made up almost entirely of hypocrites.

One surely may concede that all of us who name the name of Jesus Christ remain sinners even after our sin is forgiven.

That is, even though we are saved from sins’ eternal penalty (Romans 5:1; 6:23), we are yet to be saved and delivered from the presence of sin in our lives (1 John 1:8-9), including the sin of hypocrisy. 

Through our living faith in the Lord Jesus, we continually overcome sin’s power until we are finally delivered (1 John 5:4-5). 

**ALL Christians fail to perfectly live up to the standard the Bible teaches.

No Christian has ever been perfectly Christ-like.
However, there are many Christians who are genuinely seeking to live the Christian life and are relying more and more on the Holy Spirit to convict, change, and empower them.

There have been multitudes of Christians who have lived their lives free from scandal. 

No Christian is perfect, but making a mistake and failing to reach perfection in this life is not the same thing as being a hypocrite.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

God ALLOWS evil into the world.

This is the biggest emotional argument atheists have. It doesnt disprove an all powerful and loving God.



So an all good god allows evil??  What an asshole...


All it takes is simple logic to see the statement is contradictory, but if you believe in god, then you have already decided to go against simple logic, and I can not help you...

Honestly, I wish I believed in a magical man in the sky, but my brain won't allow such foolishness.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



So an all good god allows evil??  What an asshole...


All it takes is simple logic to see the statement is contradictory, but if you believe in god, then you have already decided to go against simple logic, and I can not help you...

Honestly, I wish I believed in a magical man in the sky, but my brain won't allow such foolishness.

No,  man performs evil.......man is asshole

 
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You said "So an all good god allows evil??  What an asshole..."

This question could take a book to answer, but there is sound answers out there. I will give some, but if it isn't sufficient, I will try to give some more.

The Bible describes God as holy (Isaiah 6:3), righteous (Psalm 7:11), just (Deuteronomy 32:4), and sovereign (Daniel 4:17-25).

These attributes tell us the following about God: (1) God is capable of preventing evil, and (2) God desires to rid the universe of evil. So, if both of these are true, why does God allow evil? If God has the power to prevent evil and desires to prevent evil, why does He still allow evil?

Perhaps a practical way to look at this question would be to consider some alternative ways people might have God run the world:

1) God could change everyone’s personality so that they cannot sin.

This would also mean that we would not have a free will. We would not be able to choose right or wrong because we would be “programmed” to only do right. Had God chosen to do this, there would be no meaningful relationships between Him, His creation and with one and other.

Instead, God made Adam and Eve innocent but with the ability to choose good or evil.

Because of this, they could respond to His love and trust Him or choose to disobey. They chose to disobey.

Because we live in a real world where we can choose our actions but not their consequences, Adam & Eve's sin affected those who came after them (us). 

Similarly, our decisions to sin have an impact on us and those around us and those who will come after us.

2) God could compensate for people’s evil actions through supernatural intervention 100 percent of the time.

God would stop a drunk driver from causing an automobile accident.
God would stop a lazy construction worker from doing a substandard job on a house that would later cause grief to the homeowners.
God would stop a father who is addicted to drugs or alcohol from doing any harm to his wife, children, or extended family.
God would stop gunmen from robbing convenience stores.
God would stop high school bullies from tormenting the brainy kids. God would stop thieves from shoplifting. 

While this answer sounds good, it would lose its attractiveness as soon as God’s intervention infringed on something we wanted to do.
 
We want God to prevent horribly evil actions, but we are willing to let “lesser-evil” actions slide—not realizing that those “lesser-evil” actions are what usually lead to the “greater-evil” actions.

Should God only stop actual sexual affairs, or should He also block our access to pornography or end any inappropriate, but not yet sexual, relationships?

Should God stop “true” thieves, or should He also stop us from cheating on our taxes? Should God only stop murder, or should He also stop the “lesser-evil” actions done to people that lead them to commit murder? Should God only stop acts of terrorism, or should He also stop the indoctrination that transformed a person into a terrorist?


 
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Continued from ...Post #1335,

3) Another choice would be for God to judge and remove those who choose to commit evil acts.

The problem with this possibility is that there would be no one left, for God would have to remove us all.

We all sin and commit evil acts (Romans 3:23; Ecclesiastes 7:20; 1 John 1:8). While some people are more evil than others, where would God draw the line? Ultimately, all evil causes harm to others.

Instead of these options, God has chosen to create a “real” world in which real choices have real consequences.

In this real world of ours, our actions affect others.

Because of Adam’s choice to sin, the world now lives under the curse, and we are all born with a sin nature (Romans 5:12).

There will one day come a time when God will judge the sin in this world and make all things new, but He is purposely “delaying” in order to allow more time for people to FREELY CHOOSE to repent and get in right standing with God so that they will not FREELY CHOOSE TO not want God in their lives and ultimately FREELY CHOOSE to be condemned (2 Peter 3:9).

Until then, God IS concerned about evil. 

When He created the Old Testament laws, the goal was to discourage and punish evil. 

He judges nations and rulers who disregard justice and pursue evil.

Likewise, in the New Testament, God states that it is the government’s responsibility to provide justice in order to protect the innocent from evil (Romans 13).
He also promises severe consequences for those who commit evil acts, especially against the "innocent" (Mark 9:36-42).

Summary,
We live in a real world where we have been given a FREE WILL, so our good and evil actions have direct consequences and indirect consequences upon us and those around us.

God’s desire is that for all of our sakes we would obey Him, so that it might be well with us (Deuteronomy 5:29).

Instead, what happens is that many of us choose our own way, and then we blame God for not doing anything about it.

Such is the heart of sinful man (which is all of us).
The good news is that Jesus came to change men’s hearts through the power of the Holy Spirit, and He does this for those who will turn from evil and call on Him to save them from their sin and its consequences (2 Corinthians 5:17).

God does prevent and restrain some acts of evil. 
This world would be MUCH WORSE were not God restraining evil.

At the same time, God has given us the ability to choose good and evil, and when we choose evil, He allows us, and those around us, to suffer the consequences of evil.

Rather than all of us blaming God and questioning God on why He does not prevent all evil, we should be concerned about the business of proclaiming the cure for evil and its consequences—Jesus Christ!
 
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What does the Bible say?

"The preaching of the cross is  foolishness to those who are headed for destruction"

Don't believe that?

It's the biggest gamble you'll ever make.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by matt4000:

EX4life, Rostos, SirJohnDrake and the others.

Thanks for all the great insight, knowledge and Holy Spirit led answers that you guys have gave in this thread.

I have had many ups and downs as a believer, yet have also learned a lot over the years, but have learned new things thanks to you guys!

Much appreciated and keep up the good work!

EX4life,
I think you should prayerfully consider either copying and pasting answers that you previously addressed into this thread or to type new ones.
Cause, I highly doubt that others will search through your other thread to find what they are looking for, especially those that are not Christians.
Just think about it!
Matt

 Thank you as well for everything you have said brother. Thanks for the advice as well. You are probably right; most people will not go find my thread and read everything I have said regarding all the questions I have answered. I am actually packing right now to go to Florida for a few days for a vacation... havent had one in a while... but when I get back, I'll get back in here and see what's going on with everybody. All the best to ya'll 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

No,  man performs evil.......man is asshole



I'll switch it up a bit:

What is your excuse for "god" allowing people to die from natural disasters??  How is that okay?  He just lets earthquakes and hurricanes kill millions...  That's nice of him...

There are very few people who TRULY believe in god.

One of my favorite quotes: "Everybody want go heaven, but nobody want dead!" (funny enough it's from a Steven Seagal movie)...  If people truly believed, they wouldn't be afraid to die....

Are you afraid to die Rostos?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



I'll switch it up a bit:

What is your excuse for "god" allowing people to die from natural disasters??  How is that okay?  He just lets earthquakes and hurricanes kill millions...  That's nice of him...

There are very few people who TRULY believe in god.

One of my favorite quotes: "Everybody want go heaven, but nobody want dead!" (funny enough it's from a Steven Seagal movie)...  If people truly believed, they wouldn't be afraid to die....

Are you afraid to die Rostos?

Interesting

1. When there has been a nice magnificent sunny peaceful day, how many times have you thanked God for that day? Yeah, i thought so, NONE. yet, when he creates a disaster its his fault and you blame him? I would hate to be your friend.

2. You as a non believer, therefore moral relativist, are in no position to say what anyone does as bad, evil or not good. You see in your atheistic world, morals are subjective, there is no absolute right or wrong, so why are you saying what God did was wrong?  I thought there is no ABSOLUTE right or wrong.

3. Lets bi pass point 2 for the sake of the argument, man commits all kinds of atrocities AGAINST Gods law. Couldnt natural disasters be a form of judgement by God against sin? if not, why not?

4. Few people who believe in God? The MAJORITY of the world believe in a supreme being. Atheists are MINORITY.

5. What does it matter if am scared of death or not, we are ALL GOING TO DIE ONE DAY wether we like it, scared of it or indifferent to it. My emotions on the matter have no say in the final result.

Your arguments are typical emotional arguments. Atheists LIKE ALL HUMANS rebel against God, then when God hands down his punishment, people wonder why......The difference is, i recognise i am sinner and ask God NOT to lead me into temptations and ask for forgiveness of sins through Christ. That is the diffrence. I, like you and everyone am a sinner, it is a matter of accepting this and asking for forgiveness. 

 
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So an all good god hands out punishments?!? Don't you see the inconsistency?!? Are you that blind???
 
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And clearly you have trouble reading... I said there are few people who TRULY believe in god. If one is afraid of death, then they don't really believe in god and heaven.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by booyahz123:


there is a parable of Jesus and how he was against the pharisees
because they wore uniforms and hats to mark their rankings.  Jesus believed you do not wear your merits on your sleeve so why does the pope and the cardinals and priest follow the way of the pharisee. 


I'm aware of 54 parables by our Lord Savior Jesus Christ, but none are about what you mention above. So I can't respond to or answer your question.
 
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When you remove or omit  books that is editing

this is fact that not all "books" that were written are in the bible as it is today. It is a historic fact

The king of England wanted an anullment, couldnt get it, separates from the pope, translates the bible to English.............Im sure he had it edited to suit his needs as well

So how many books should be in the Holy Bible? Currently there are 66 books which IMHO is adequate. What are the titles of these missing books? Who were the authors that were inspired by God to write these books?

So in your mind, you are sure the king of England edited the Holy Bible to suit his needs? You don't know that, so why do you say you're sure he did? What were his needs he needed to suit?

Look regardless of your opinions which I might add are not facts, the Holy Bible has always had one unchanging message. And what is that message? Through the Bible, God makes it clear that he loves us and has a plan to save us from the destructive power of sin.

 
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Mary was no virgin Jesus had brothers, James was one of them.  

No, you are wrong. Mary was a virgin. Again I will show the passage in the bible that explains this. Later on after the birth of our Lord Savior Jesus Christ she and her husband Joseph had other children.

Below is the passage in the bible about "The Birth of Jesus the Messiah"

This is how Jesus the Messiah was born. His mother, Mary, was engaged to be married to Joseph. But before the marriage took place, while she was still a virgin, she became pregnant through the power of the Holy Spirit. Joseph, her fiance, was a good man and did not want to disgrace her publicly, so he decided to break the engagement quietly. As he considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream. "Joseph, son of David," the angel said, "do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife. For the child within her was conceived by the Holy Spirit. And she will have a son, and you are to name him Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins." All of this occurred to fulfill the Lord's message through his prophet: "Look, The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel, which means God is with us." When Joseph woke up, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded and took Mary as his wife. But he did not have sexual relations with her until her son was born. And Joseph named him Jesus. ---Matthew 1:18-24

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:

there are few people who TRULY believe in god. If one is afraid of death, then they don't really believe in god and heaven.

That's just your opinion and not a fact that you believe only few people truly believe in God.

Based on current stats, one-third of the world or approx. little over 2 billion people are Christians. I haven't researched how many Muslims and other religions who believe in a God there are but the mere fact that one-third alone are Christians, one can speculate that there must to be a large pct. who truly believe in God.

IMO I would say it is still higher than people who don't believe in God at all.

Your statement, "if one is afraid of death, then they don't really believe in God and heaven", is not necessarily true for the believer but for the non-believer, one would suspect that it is definitely true.

 Let's be honest here, I believe the majority of people have some kind of fear, anxiety of their unavoidable deaths someday regardless if they believe in God or don't believe in God.

For the believer, the fear could be that they are not really sure if they are going to heaven, of course they would want to go to heaven but still they have this uncertainty and of course there has to be some believers who have no fear at all because in their minds they are definitely going to God's Kingdom of Heaven.

 For the non-believer, the fear is that they just hope there is no hell because knowing they have all their lives rejected Jesus Christ as their Lord Savior, they will definitely go to hell for all eternity if God does exist.
 
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How can you speculate that if statistically the greatest fear for almost everyone is death??

And if I die and there is a god, he can just forgive me for using the brain he gave me... Or is he too much of an asshole?
 
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He is an all good god, but also punishes people... Yea thats not contradictory...
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:

He is an all good god, but also punishes people... Yea thats not contradictory...

 

After this explanation below I hope it brings some understanding to you as to why an all loving God punishes but I have doubts that non-believers like you can ever be reasonable enough to accept any explanation but who knows.

If God is all-loving, why would He send people to hell? What is hell? Is it a place of eternal torment? Why create creatures knowing they will end up in an eternity of damnation? Is God helpless to save them all?

Often times, skeptics try to present an idea so that fairness and compassion necessitate that the Christian God cannot be real. For example, they sometimes say that a truly loving God would not create people He knew would go to eternal punishment. Of course this is only an opinion, but it is sometime raised nonetheless. As one skeptic put it, "If God truly loves us (this sacrificial love you talk about) then he would simply say 'I do not want the child to be born'. He is in control and has that ability, doesn't he? No one would not wish any of their children, whom they love, to go through a life of agonizing pain." The main problem with such an approach is that it is overly simplistic and based on emotionalism, not scripture. So, let's look at what the Word of God says.

First of all, when God made Adam, He made him good. Adam had the freedom to choose to obey or disobey God. Adam is the one who rebelled. God did not make him rebel and God is not responsible for Adam's rebellion. It would be like a parent having a child knowing that the child would eventually disobey the parent.

 Does this mean that the parent is responsible for the child's rebellion when it occurs because the parent knew it would happen? Of course not. Furthermore, if the parent has more children, does he/she not know that some children may very well turn out good and others bad? Should the parents then not have children because some of them might turn out bad? The skeptic, if he is consistent, would urge parents not to have any children at all lest some of them turn out bad.

The skeptic might say, "But God knows for a fact who will be bad and good. Why allow the people going to hell to be born in the first place?" But, if this is the case and if God arranged it that no "bad" people were born, then we would all go to hell. You see, Jesus is the only way to be forgiven of our sins. His sacrifice on the cross was necessary in order to make it possible for us to be saved because everyone, "good" and "bad" has sinned. If there were no "bad" people born, then there wouldn't be any "bad" people around who would have sent Jesus to the cross. If that never happened, then we wouldn't be saved from our sins because Jesus would never have been unjustly condemned and His sacrifice would never have happened.

Second, if someone says that it is wrong for God to allow someone to be born and who will go to hell, then would he rather have God remove our freedom to rebel against Him so that no one can be blamed for sin? If the critic says he only wants those people born who go to heaven, then how are they truly free and how would that fulfill the ultimate plan of God to sacrifice His Son for the redemption of mankind?

Third, God could have reasons for sending people to hell that we cannot understand.

Fourth, God is just and always does what is right. Therefore, sending people to hell is the right thing to do, especially when we understand that God is eternally holy and those who sin against God incur an infinite offense because the infinite God is the one who is offended.

Finally, the Bible simply tells us that people will go to hell. They go there because they are not covered by the sacrifice of Christ. Whether they are created or not does not affect the fact that sinners must be punished; otherwise, the holiness and righteousness of God mean nothing.
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