If Christ died on the cross for all of humanity

I said the KCA renders atheism false, because the KCA clearly points to a cause of the universe that is outside space, time and matter.The naturalists ONLY believes in the natural world, nothing outside it. The KCA gives naturalists one big head ache

The KCA is definitly one of the most powerful arguments for Gods existence.

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Maybe you will get what I am saying by post 4000 that rostos will not give up.

Dont you have better things to do like stealing money from broke woman or mocking senile old men?

If you wan to ask who made God then as a conclusion to my sentence that something cannot come from nothing, you are making an equivocation that the laws and physics of this world / universe/ dimension apply to that of another dimension (Gods realm). We dont know this, because we havent observed another dimension, therefore the question is ILLOGICAL.

In the ocean example, it is like me asking the person who saw the ocean for the first time, can i breath under water, can i float on the water? He is going to say, i dont know because he hasnt observed the environment of the water yet, until he does, he cant answer that.

I know we know the ocean exists because we have seen it but not the supernatural because we havent observed it. That is not my point, the point is about making CONCLUSIONS or asking questions about something we dont know or assuming one set of laws apply somewhere else.

What if the supernatural world was ETERNAL? Ie, its past was infinity?

Afterall, prior to the discovery of the big bang and Einsteins law of relativity, atheists believed the universe was eternal, so why cant the supernatural be eternal?

Hi , my name is salty, i steal money from stoned broke woman, oh, i also laugh at and mock senile disabled old men.

Get out of here....

No!...really!... did salty do those things?

If he had God in his life he wouldn't do those sinful things.

And he wouldn't create silly threads concerning  boogers and moving one's bowels.

And he wants this thread to end...maybe he should think twice and end his threads.

The second law of thermodynamics and the law of relativity shows that the universe cannot be eternal.

Good one...just testing if anyone would catch this not entirely true statement.

Because we are all sinners and even people who believe in God do sin from time to time but there are some who have sinned in the past but because they are so devout they do not sin anymore. So with that said, let me retract the statement I made earlier and say it this way.

Maybe if he had God in his life maybe he wouldn't have done those sinful things.

So, why have you been on here day in day out telling us that God doesnt exist if you think it leads to a better life?

Your questioning is like a forgery.

You ask one question as to who created God or the supernatural, when we say a possible explanation is that God is eternal , you then say who have no evidence? Accept that is a plausable explanation and move on. You asked for possible explanation, not 100% proofs.....but you are putting the 2 in the same thing.....

But if space, time and matter were created, then it would be LOGICAL to conclude prior to this moment of creation, something OUTSIDE of space, time and matter created speace, time and matter, otherwise are you believing space, time and matter created ITSELF out of nothing, by nothing for nothing.

What you have been doing is saying, "well if the second law of thermodynamics and laws of relativity apply in this world, then they must apply in another realm or dimension...."

That is flawed reasoning, we have no observation of another realm or dimension. My answer is not, the second law of thermodynamics or whatever does NOT apply in another realm because i dont have the evidence that this is the case, but rather it is a question which should be avoided because we dont know anything about another realm. Therefore, when i say, something cannot come from nothing in this world, it does not open a question frpm you about what caused God.......It is not a logical concluding question as you and many atheists try to make it out to be....

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