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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:
Rostos, I will use your own analogy to prove my point. I cannot possibly know what the water is like until I experience it by going in it. This is true. The problem with your analogy to god is that we cannot go to this alleged supernatural world. We cannot go there and see what it is like. Since it is not possible to go there (without dying I presume) there is no point in contemplating it at all. I don't care about what happens when I die because I'll be dead. As a living human being, I can't be concerned about "testing out waters" so to speak that I can't test out until I die. Surely you must understand this?
Rostos, I will use your own analogy to prove my point. I cannot possibly know what the water is like until I experience it by going in it. This is true. The problem with your analogy to god is that we cannot go to this alleged supernatural world. We cannot go there and see what it is like. Since it is not possible to go there (without dying I presume) there is no point in contemplating it at all. I don't care about what happens when I die because I'll be dead. As a living human being, I can't be concerned about "testing out waters" so to speak that I can't test out until I die. Surely you must understand this?
Thats the problem you have, you are contemplating it by asking questions about it. You ask a question, then when i answer it, you step back and say it doesnt exist? Once you ask the question, you take a step / commitiment that it exists, then when an answer is given, you come back and say how do you do know it exists?
Cant you see what you are doing?
By definition, God exists in a supernatural realm. Just like the person in the example, they while in this life, DONT KNOW the laws in the supernatural world, that is why it is an incoherent and illogical question to ask who created God. Thats it, end of story, now you will duck back and say how do you know it exists?
And yes, by definition "Atheism" is false because no one on this planet knows for certain whether a god exists or not. So technically speaking, if I acknowledge the possibility of a god existing, no matter how small I think it is, I am, by definition, agnostic. I guess that is true. However, that does not give any additional credence to your god's existence. All it does is establish that no human being can be certain.
I have always said belief is faith based. The reason why i bring this up, because there is always a stereotype that atheists give themselves that science is there backbone and faith is for fools. I was simply pointing out that the atheist actually have faith.
Matt - if you wanna call "that which always existed - God," that is perfectly acceptable. But as we've said many times, that does not mean this "god," this "initial creator," this thing that always existed, whatever it is, is anything more than that. Whatever it was that always existed is not necessarily the Christian god, jesus, moses, allah, mohammed, the flying spaghetti monster, a superbestfriend, david blaine, i can go on forever lol. The initial "thing" can be ANYTHING, literally ANYTHING. So even if there does exist some initial "creator," we have no idea what it is.
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