George Carlin on Religion and God 

Quote by Kitty:

but the general crux of the theory is that the universe simply always was.

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Oh so now you might believe that the universe is eternal? And when we believers say it was God that is eternal...He was always in existence with no beginning and no end you call us delusional and the whole belief absurd?...lol

Then you might as well just say you're delusional yourself and your belief just as absurd...lol

I would be more inclined to believe that God is the eternal one and not the universe because it is more logical and resonable to believe that an intelligent, personal living being could give physical life instead of non living matter such as the universe to give physical life to plants, animals, human beings.

Furthermore if the universe was eternal then no one would know that the universe exists. Stars, plantets, moons, wormholes or whatever else there is in a universe would be here all by itself and not know it because they are all inanimate objects or non living matter with no minds or intelligence.

I can't see how inanimate non living matter with no minds or intelligence could create physical living beings such as plants, animals and human beings...but I guess you can?

Please explain to us on how that is possible? How the eternal universe can one day decide it wants to be a creator of physical life such as creating plants, animals and human beings?

Well never mind because I know you can't...I'll just stick with my belief that God Almighty is the Creator of everything in existence.

Correction: Stars, planets, moons, wormholes...

Quote Posted by kitty:

I laugh because that is absurd to say the least.

Quote Posted by kitty:

Let's face it...you believe in magic too but the difference here is that your magic is coming from stardust and other lifeless debri floating around in the universe while mine is coming from a supreme living being.

Quote Posted by kitty:

what we believe in is not magic.

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What is it then? Of course it is magic you believe in that is coming from stardust and other lifeless debris floating around in the universe if you don't believe God exists.

If you make the claim that God doesn't exist then what is left that could have created physical living beings such as plants, animals and human beings?

The only thing left is magic coming from stardust and other lifeless debris floating around in the universe...lol

Quote Posted by kitty:

what we believe in is not magic.

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And if you say you don't know who or what created physical living beings such as plants, animals and human beings,

how can you sit there and adamantly disagree with me when I say I believe God created all physical beings such as plants, animals and human beings?

You can't say you don't know but then say but I know it wasn't God because it is an outlandish claim.

 Especially when we have historical evidence of the life, ministry, miracles and resurrection of our Lord Savior Jesus Christ.

do you understand?...prolly not...lol

Are you guys still debating this?

I love how both sides think they are when the truth is, there is no way for any human on this planet to have the answer to this question. Why both sides cant grasp this is really amazing.

This question isnt like a question that say a teachers asks a kid on a test.  example question "what is 2 + 2 ?   well we all know with total certainty that the answer is 4

But the question of is God real or not cant be answered by us, its 100 percent impossible to do.

Now i side with what Sir John has wrote and how our bodies and everything around us is all just cant be random,  but there is still no way for us the believers that God exists to prove that.

Now all you non believers, there is no way you can prove that God doesnt exist.  Just because scientists say the stuff they find proves God doesnt exist, means they are right, because there is no for sure answer, like in my test example up above. These people are just humans and everything they discover is just opinion and their therory.  Where is the proof that everything they discover, wasnt created by God?  So think about that question for a minute, instead of just saying God doesnt exist.

Lastly to all you non believers,  you have certain ideas of how everything was created, so where is the proof that your own ideas of how everything was created wasnt created by God.

Am not gonna tell anybody to believe in God because am 100 percent right that he exists, but the people who dont believe in God shouldnt think they are 100 percent rioght either.

Us humans just dont have the answer. I hope am right and all you non believers are wrong, but who knows.

To me when i look around and see how complicated things are, i just say somebody had to have created all this, it cant just be random chance, but thats just my opinion.

I think a lot of you non believers are just pissed off with religion and thats why you have taken the stances you taken.  I dont blame you, todays religion and churches are all just about the dollars. Churches have become like mob families.  You have priests running around raping kids, etc etc for years with the churches just looking the other way to protect their cash flow coming in.

If there is a God, am sure all the people behind religion is gonna have some serious explaining to do someday

So come on guys lets end this and all just be friends, no matter which way you believe

cd

The second law of thermodynamics shows that the universe cannot be eternal.......

If the universe was eternal, we would have already experienced the heat death.......

Yes, you do, by believing the universe can come from nothing, you are violating causation laws.....

Quote Posted by kitty:

WE DO NOT BELIEVE IN ANYTHING THAT VIOLATES THE LAWS OF PHYSICS. ---------------------------------------------   Then why do you believe that stardust, and other lifeless non living matter in the universe created physical living beings such as plants, animals and human beings?   You are contradicting yourself and you don't even realize it...lol

Quote Posted by Rostos:

Yes, you do, by believing the universe can come from nothing, you are violating causation laws.....

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kitty's middle name is contradictory...lol I know we have caught him many times in the past contradicting himself...he is good at that...lol

Its very very simple

1. All naturalistic things that begin to exist have a cause

2. The universe began to exist

3. Therefore the cause of the universe is non naturalistic

The answer is that we will will NEVER know whether or not God exists while we are living on this Earth. 

Anyone claiming certainty on either side of the argument is a FOOL.  I believe God exists, but I also respect those that do not.  And this excellent article beautifully breaks down both sides.  

 https://www.salon.com/2011/10/02/how_science_and_faith_coexist/

Try this link:

https://www.salon.com/2011/10/02/how_science_and_faith_coexist/