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September 9, 2001), unspecified officials at the White House and the Pentagon, and his “most important meeting” with Marc Grossman, US Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs. The article suggests, “[O]f course, Osama bin Laden” could be the focus of some discussions. Prophetically, the article adds, “What added interest to his visit is the history of such visits. Last time [his] predecessor was [in Washington], the domestic [Pakistani] politics turned topsy-turvy within days.” [News (Islamabad), 9/10/2001] This is a reference to the Musharraf coup just after an ISI Director’s visit on October 12, 1999 (see October 12, 1999).
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September 4-11, 2001), meets with CIA Director George Tenet. In his 2007 book, Tenet will claim that he “tried to press” Mahmood to do something about Taliban support for bin Laden, since the Pakistani government has been supporting the Taliban since its creation in 1994. But Mahmood was supposedly “immovable when it came to the Taliban and al-Qaeda.” Tenet will say that Mahmood’s sole suggestion was the US should try bribing key Taliban officials to get them to turn over bin Laden. However, “even then he made it clear that neither he nor his service would have anything to do with the effort, not even to the extent of advising us whom we might approach.” [Tenet, 2007, pp. 141-142]
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September 9, 2001), unspecified officials at the White House and the Pentagon, and his “most important meeting” with Marc Grossman, US Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs. The article suggests, “[O]f course, Osama bin Laden” could be the focus of some discussions. Prophetically, the article adds, “What added interest to his visit is the history of such visits. Last time [his] predecessor was [in Washington], the domestic [Pakistani] politics turned topsy-turvy within days.” [News (Islamabad), 9/10/2001] This is a reference to the Musharraf coup just after an ISI Director’s visit on October 12, 1999 (see October 12, 1999).
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September 4-11, 2001), meets with CIA Director George Tenet. In his 2007 book, Tenet will claim that he “tried to press” Mahmood to do something about Taliban support for bin Laden, since the Pakistani government has been supporting the Taliban since its creation in 1994. But Mahmood was supposedly “immovable when it came to the Taliban and al-Qaeda.” Tenet will say that Mahmood’s sole suggestion was the US should try bribing key Taliban officials to get them to turn over bin Laden. However, “even then he made it clear that neither he nor his service would have anything to do with the effort, not even to the extent of advising us whom we might approach.” [Tenet, 2007, pp. 141-142]
ISI Director Lt. Gen. Mahmood Ahmed visits Washington for the second time. On September 10, a Pakistani newspaper reports on his trip so far. It says his visit has “triggered speculation about the agenda of his mysterious meetings at the Pentagon and National Security Council” as well as meetings with CIA Director Tenet (see September 9, 2001), unspecified officials at the White House and the Pentagon, and his “most important meeting” with Marc Grossman, US Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs. The article suggests, “[O]f course, Osama bin Laden” could be the focus of some discussions. Prophetically, the article adds, “What added interest to his visit is the history of such visits. Last time [his] predecessor was [in Washington], the domestic [Pakistani] politics turned topsy-turvy within days.” [News (Islamabad), 9/10/2001] This is a reference to the Musharraf coup just after an ISI Director’s visit on October 12, 1999 (see October 12, 1999).
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ISI Director Lt. Gen. Mahmood Ahmed visits Washington for the second time. On September 10, a Pakistani newspaper reports on his trip so far. It says his visit has “triggered speculation about the agenda of his mysterious meetings at the Pentagon and National Security Council” as well as meetings with CIA Director Tenet (see September 9, 2001), unspecified officials at the White House and the Pentagon, and his “most important meeting” with Marc Grossman, US Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs. The article suggests, “[O]f course, Osama bin Laden” could be the focus of some discussions. Prophetically, the article adds, “What added interest to his visit is the history of such visits. Last time [his] predecessor was [in Washington], the domestic [Pakistani] politics turned topsy-turvy within days.” [News (Islamabad), 9/10/2001] This is a reference to the Musharraf coup just after an ISI Director’s visit on October 12, 1999 (see October 12, 1999).
Pakistani ISI Director Gen. Mahmood Ahmed, who is visiting Washington (see September 4-11, 2001), meets with CIA Director George Tenet. In his 2007 book, Tenet will claim that he “tried to press” Mahmood to do something about Taliban support for bin Laden, since the Pakistani government has been supporting the Taliban since its creation in 1994. But Mahmood was supposedly “immovable when it came to the Taliban and al-Qaeda.” Tenet will say that Mahmood’s sole suggestion was the US should try bribing key Taliban officials to get them to turn over bin Laden. However, “even then he made it clear that neither he nor his service would have anything to do with the effort, not even to the extent of advising us whom we might approach.” [Tenet, 2007, pp. 141-142]
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Pakistani ISI Director Gen. Mahmood Ahmed, who is visiting Washington (see September 4-11, 2001), meets with CIA Director George Tenet. In his 2007 book, Tenet will claim that he “tried to press” Mahmood to do something about Taliban support for bin Laden, since the Pakistani government has been supporting the Taliban since its creation in 1994. But Mahmood was supposedly “immovable when it came to the Taliban and al-Qaeda.” Tenet will say that Mahmood’s sole suggestion was the US should try bribing key Taliban officials to get them to turn over bin Laden. However, “even then he made it clear that neither he nor his service would have anything to do with the effort, not even to the extent of advising us whom we might approach.” [Tenet, 2007, pp. 141-142]
You can easily find the rest... just keep looking at all the resources. The truth is out there but in bits and pieces everywhere. And where there is no answer... it's due to refusal to be open and honest regarding the issues by those involved.
Bush, Cheney, and others simply avoided giving answer and stonewalled those who asked the proper questions. If you watch all the interviews and press conferences you will see it in action.
Dirt and most likely blood also on all thier hands.
I do not spend much time on this but wish I had 24/7 to work on this event and it's coverup/whitehousewashing.
The jackers did what they did but there was much more to it than just a bunck of idiots jacking planes. You have to dig deep under the surface and don't believe the political hype from anyone.
We wil most likely never know the complete truth however we can keep digging for as long as it takes.
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You can easily find the rest... just keep looking at all the resources. The truth is out there but in bits and pieces everywhere. And where there is no answer... it's due to refusal to be open and honest regarding the issues by those involved.
Bush, Cheney, and others simply avoided giving answer and stonewalled those who asked the proper questions. If you watch all the interviews and press conferences you will see it in action.
Dirt and most likely blood also on all thier hands.
I do not spend much time on this but wish I had 24/7 to work on this event and it's coverup/whitehousewashing.
The jackers did what they did but there was much more to it than just a bunck of idiots jacking planes. You have to dig deep under the surface and don't believe the political hype from anyone.
We wil most likely never know the complete truth however we can keep digging for as long as it takes.
I also think it's possible that with all the money the jackers recieved they might have thought they were just jacking the planes and that maybe the "powers that be" took control by remote to finish them off. I have seen some profiling done on the jackers last days that did not suggest they were on a suiside mission at all.
wow a whole new theory -- the planes were flown into the buildings by remote control ! --- Smdio what say you now? the plane did hit the pentagon -- and it was flown by remote control !! ....off course however according to you
You can start by reading this... good luck in your pursuit of the truth.
Not all can be true but you must look under every rock.
Keep an open mind and Keep digging for the truth and let the pieces fall into place by themselves.
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Quote Originally Posted by swahili:
I also think it's possible that with all the money the jackers recieved they might have thought they were just jacking the planes and that maybe the "powers that be" took control by remote to finish them off. I have seen some profiling done on the jackers last days that did not suggest they were on a suiside mission at all.
wow a whole new theory -- the planes were flown into the buildings by remote control ! --- Smdio what say you now? the plane did hit the pentagon -- and it was flown by remote control !! ....off course however according to you
You can start by reading this... good luck in your pursuit of the truth.
Re: Which is another reason that we were told ALL FOUR black boxes became the first 4 black boxes in history to NEVER be found after a land crash.
"Additional evidence of a cover-up arose when Ventura questioned FBI counter-terrorism expert Jack Cloonan, who stated rhetorically, “Does the U.S. government do things in the dead of night that they don’t want seen in the light of day? Of course they do.”
Then, when told that September 11 may be the first time ever in the history of recorded flight where four black boxes completely vanished, Cloonan replied, “So what?”
Airline investigative expert Dave Leppard also acknowledged that he’d never once been at a crash site where the black boxes (actually orange) had not been discovered. He then proceeded to describe how these very distinct, bright orange boxes made out of titanium are virtually indestructible. “The odds are almost zero percent that they’re not found,” he concluded."
Re: Which is another reason that we were told ALL FOUR black boxes became the first 4 black boxes in history to NEVER be found after a land crash.
"Additional evidence of a cover-up arose when Ventura questioned FBI counter-terrorism expert Jack Cloonan, who stated rhetorically, “Does the U.S. government do things in the dead of night that they don’t want seen in the light of day? Of course they do.”
Then, when told that September 11 may be the first time ever in the history of recorded flight where four black boxes completely vanished, Cloonan replied, “So what?”
Airline investigative expert Dave Leppard also acknowledged that he’d never once been at a crash site where the black boxes (actually orange) had not been discovered. He then proceeded to describe how these very distinct, bright orange boxes made out of titanium are virtually indestructible. “The odds are almost zero percent that they’re not found,” he concluded."
Re: Which is another reason that we were told ALL FOUR black boxes became the first 4 black boxes in history to NEVER be found after a land crash.
"Additional evidence of a cover-up arose when Ventura questioned FBI counter-terrorism expert Jack Cloonan, who stated rhetorically, “Does the U.S. government do things in the dead of night that they don’t want seen in the light of day? Of course they do.”
Then, when told that September 11 may be the first time ever in the history of recorded flight where four black boxes completely vanished, Cloonan replied, “So what?”
Airline investigative expert Dave Leppard also acknowledged that he’d never once been at a crash site where the black boxes (actually orange) had not been discovered. He then proceeded to describe how these very distinct, bright orange boxes made out of titanium are virtually indestructible. “The odds are almost zero percent that they’re not found,” he concluded."
"Investigators found fingernail-sized shards of bone to identify the victims, yet we’re to believe that all four black boxes are still missing?” [The four six-ton engines from flights 11 and 175 also vanished, according to the government.—Ed.]
Mike Bellone, who worked at Ground Zero for 257 straight days, actually saw one of the recovered boxes three to four weeks after the WTC collapses, and personally witnessed the FBI loading this equipment onto a tractor-trailer. He also referred to New York City firefighter Nicholas Demasi, who claims to have been present when “locaters” found two other boxes.
Why hasn’t the public been made aware of these groundbreaking developments? Ventura stated pointblank, “Government officials knowingly destroyed all the evidence at that crime scene. They got rid of every shred of evidence. They melted it down, built ships out of it, or put it on a boat to China.”
What little else remains is stored at the mysterious Hanger 17 at New York’s JFK Airport. Absolutely no one is allowed access to this evidence."
From the same article about the episode of Ventura's TV show.
Link to the article is above.
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Quote Originally Posted by Skubishack:
Re: Which is another reason that we were told ALL FOUR black boxes became the first 4 black boxes in history to NEVER be found after a land crash.
"Additional evidence of a cover-up arose when Ventura questioned FBI counter-terrorism expert Jack Cloonan, who stated rhetorically, “Does the U.S. government do things in the dead of night that they don’t want seen in the light of day? Of course they do.”
Then, when told that September 11 may be the first time ever in the history of recorded flight where four black boxes completely vanished, Cloonan replied, “So what?”
Airline investigative expert Dave Leppard also acknowledged that he’d never once been at a crash site where the black boxes (actually orange) had not been discovered. He then proceeded to describe how these very distinct, bright orange boxes made out of titanium are virtually indestructible. “The odds are almost zero percent that they’re not found,” he concluded."
"Investigators found fingernail-sized shards of bone to identify the victims, yet we’re to believe that all four black boxes are still missing?” [The four six-ton engines from flights 11 and 175 also vanished, according to the government.—Ed.]
Mike Bellone, who worked at Ground Zero for 257 straight days, actually saw one of the recovered boxes three to four weeks after the WTC collapses, and personally witnessed the FBI loading this equipment onto a tractor-trailer. He also referred to New York City firefighter Nicholas Demasi, who claims to have been present when “locaters” found two other boxes.
Why hasn’t the public been made aware of these groundbreaking developments? Ventura stated pointblank, “Government officials knowingly destroyed all the evidence at that crime scene. They got rid of every shred of evidence. They melted it down, built ships out of it, or put it on a boat to China.”
What little else remains is stored at the mysterious Hanger 17 at New York’s JFK Airport. Absolutely no one is allowed access to this evidence."
From the same article about the episode of Ventura's TV show.
Journalist Dave Lindorff next weighed in by recounting a meeting he had with NTSB officials. After inquiring whether the FBI had secured these devices, he was asked, “Do you want the real answer, or the official answer?” An official then disclosed that all four boxes were in the FBI’s possession. Lindorff summarized the great trick played on us.
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Journalist Dave Lindorff next weighed in by recounting a meeting he had with NTSB officials. After inquiring whether the FBI had secured these devices, he was asked, “Do you want the real answer, or the official answer?” An official then disclosed that all four boxes were in the FBI’s possession. Lindorff summarized the great trick played on us.
Re: those buildings contained information they wanted destroyed and plenty of valuables they flat out stole from the vaults also. Even the buildings new owners cashed in by doubling his insurance a few days before 9/11 and having them put an extra claus in there for acts of terror.
To begin with...You can find what you need here. Good Luck as you seek the truth.
Re: those buildings contained information they wanted destroyed and plenty of valuables they flat out stole from the vaults also. Even the buildings new owners cashed in by doubling his insurance a few days before 9/11 and having them put an extra claus in there for acts of terror.
To begin with...You can find what you need here. Good Luck as you seek the truth.
Re: those buildings contained information they wanted destroyed and plenty of valuables they flat out stole from the vaults also. Even the buildings new owners cashed in by doubling his insurance a few days before 9/11 and having them put an extra claus in there for acts of terror.
To begin with...You can find what you need here. Good Luck as you seek the truth.
This info should give you a legitimate head start to finding the answers you never even knew about regarding this issue.
Good Luck.
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Quote Originally Posted by Skubishack:
Re: those buildings contained information they wanted destroyed and plenty of valuables they flat out stole from the vaults also. Even the buildings new owners cashed in by doubling his insurance a few days before 9/11 and having them put an extra claus in there for acts of terror.
To begin with...You can find what you need here. Good Luck as you seek the truth.
You can find info on EACH of the four flights here. Good Luck in seeking the truth.
Also...
"On Sept. 11, the normal scramble-approval procedure was for an FAA official to contact the National Military Command Center (NMCC) and request Pentagon air support. Someone in the NMCC would call Norad's command center and ask about availability of aircraft, then seek approval from the Defense Secretary--Donald H. Rumsfeld--to launch fighters." - Aviation Week (06/03/02)
"What’s more, the decades-old procedure for a quick response by the nation’s air defense had been changed in June of 2001. Now, instead of NORAD’s military commanders being able to issue the command to launch fighter jets, approval had to be sought from the civilian Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld. This change is extremely significant, because Mr. Rumsfeld claims to have been "out of the loop" nearly the entire morning of 9/11. He isn’t on the record as having given any orders that morning. In fact, he didn’t even go to the White House situation room; he had to walk to the window of his office in the Pentagon to see that the country’s military headquarters was in flames. Mr. Rumsfeld claimed at a previous commission hearing that protection against attack inside the homeland was not his responsibility. It was, he said, "a law-enforcement issue." Why, in that case, did he take onto himself the responsibility of approving NORAD’s deployment of fighter planes?" - New York Observer (06/21/04) [Reprinted at: dangerouscitizen.com]
You can find info on EACH of the four flights here. Good Luck in seeking the truth.
Also...
"On Sept. 11, the normal scramble-approval procedure was for an FAA official to contact the National Military Command Center (NMCC) and request Pentagon air support. Someone in the NMCC would call Norad's command center and ask about availability of aircraft, then seek approval from the Defense Secretary--Donald H. Rumsfeld--to launch fighters." - Aviation Week (06/03/02)
"What’s more, the decades-old procedure for a quick response by the nation’s air defense had been changed in June of 2001. Now, instead of NORAD’s military commanders being able to issue the command to launch fighter jets, approval had to be sought from the civilian Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld. This change is extremely significant, because Mr. Rumsfeld claims to have been "out of the loop" nearly the entire morning of 9/11. He isn’t on the record as having given any orders that morning. In fact, he didn’t even go to the White House situation room; he had to walk to the window of his office in the Pentagon to see that the country’s military headquarters was in flames. Mr. Rumsfeld claimed at a previous commission hearing that protection against attack inside the homeland was not his responsibility. It was, he said, "a law-enforcement issue." Why, in that case, did he take onto himself the responsibility of approving NORAD’s deployment of fighter planes?" - New York Observer (06/21/04) [Reprinted at: dangerouscitizen.com]
Re: They had even scheduled an excersize regarding a plane attack on the Towers for the same day.
All links I had for this have
been inactivated including NORADs original timeline for what happened
on 9/11. I will continue to look for it.
If you need any further questions answered feel free to ask. I think I've covered all your previous questions here.
Nice string of posts. That laundry list of anomalies is a smoking gun.
It is 10 times more illogical to think all of those things happened by
chance than to believe the official story. It's just way too much to
just explain away.
Added evidence is the government's failure to investigate this matter
properly, most resounding, THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION's complete lack of
cooperation and accountability during the investigation.
Hell they would even let GWB talk to investigators because someone
thought he was too stupid and would let something out of the bag,
whatever that might be.
Quote Originally Posted by Skubishack:
Re: They had even scheduled an excersize regarding a plane attack on the Towers for the same day.
All links I had for this have been inactivated including NORADs original timeline for what happened on 9/11. I will continue to look for it.
If you need any further questions answered feel free to ask. I think I've covered all your previous questions here.
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Quote Originally Posted by Skubishack:
Re: They had even scheduled an excersize regarding a plane attack on the Towers for the same day.
All links I had for this have
been inactivated including NORADs original timeline for what happened
on 9/11. I will continue to look for it.
If you need any further questions answered feel free to ask. I think I've covered all your previous questions here.
Nice string of posts. That laundry list of anomalies is a smoking gun.
It is 10 times more illogical to think all of those things happened by
chance than to believe the official story. It's just way too much to
just explain away.
Added evidence is the government's failure to investigate this matter
properly, most resounding, THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION's complete lack of
cooperation and accountability during the investigation.
Hell they would even let GWB talk to investigators because someone
thought he was too stupid and would let something out of the bag,
whatever that might be.
Quote Originally Posted by Skubishack:
Re: They had even scheduled an excersize regarding a plane attack on the Towers for the same day.
All links I had for this have been inactivated including NORADs original timeline for what happened on 9/11. I will continue to look for it.
If you need any further questions answered feel free to ask. I think I've covered all your previous questions here.
The dogs were removed due to the fact that it would have been highly likely that they would have found the detonators before September 11th.
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More made up stuff. If you would ACTUALLY DO SOME RESEARCH, you'd know
They had been put on two weeks earlier because of phoned-in threats. The unusual thing is that they had been on extra duty for those two weeks, not that they were pulled off.
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The dogs were removed due to the fact that it would have been highly likely that they would have found the detonators before September 11th.
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More made up stuff. If you would ACTUALLY DO SOME RESEARCH, you'd know
They had been put on two weeks earlier because of phoned-in threats. The unusual thing is that they had been on extra duty for those two weeks, not that they were pulled off.
“Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimerwas the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C.
"I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"
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I suppose the government got to this guy, too:
“Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimerwas the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C.
"I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"
“Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimerwas the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C.
"I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"
Did they find the black boxes of the planes? Its hard to doubt that a plane hit the pentagon. It is strange how long it took to produce an image of a plane hitting the pentagon. But if they found the black boxes then it is good enough for me.
There are still way too many convenient explanations for the official story. And good'ole tower 7 just falling from fire. No sir.
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Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
I suppose the government got to this guy, too:
“Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimerwas the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C.
"I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"
Did they find the black boxes of the planes? Its hard to doubt that a plane hit the pentagon. It is strange how long it took to produce an image of a plane hitting the pentagon. But if they found the black boxes then it is good enough for me.
There are still way too many convenient explanations for the official story. And good'ole tower 7 just falling from fire. No sir.
Does this sound like testimony from people who would want to protect the government if they were the ones responsible for the attack on the pentagon. And does this make you think a missile or a jet hit the pentagon? Missiles don't utilize jet fuel morons.
Does this sound like testimony from people who would want to protect the government if they were the ones responsible for the attack on the pentagon. And does this make you think a missile or a jet hit the pentagon? Missiles don't utilize jet fuel morons.
Did they find the black boxes of the planes? Its hard to doubt that a plane hit the pentagon. It is strange how long it took to produce an image of a plane hitting the pentagon. But if they found the black boxes then it is good enough for me.
There are still way too many convenient explanations for the official story. And good'ole tower 7 just falling from fire. No sir.
Read the quote again....he says he found the black box.
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Quote Originally Posted by slikstiks99:
Did they find the black boxes of the planes? Its hard to doubt that a plane hit the pentagon. It is strange how long it took to produce an image of a plane hitting the pentagon. But if they found the black boxes then it is good enough for me.
There are still way too many convenient explanations for the official story. And good'ole tower 7 just falling from fire. No sir.
Read the quote again....he says he found the black box.
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