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    altisdora
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2010 - 2:01 AM ET #1301

    Quote Originally Posted by Skubishack:

    We can agree to disagree. I have lsitened to both sides and have decided which side of the "fence" to stand on.

    I was around in 1963 but swear I had no involvement due to my penchant for breast feeding at the time.




    Pick up a copy of Reclaiming History 'The Assassination Of President John F Kennedy '  by Vincent Bugliosi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skubishack:

    We can agree to disagree. I have lsitened to both sides and have decided which side of the "fence" to stand on.

    I was around in 1963 but swear I had no involvement due to my penchant for breast feeding at the time.




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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2010 - 2:13 AM ET #1302

    I am a little offended by this so I wont read too much more. But thought I woould comment on a couple things.

    1). They did not collapse because of fire! Two airline jets were flown into them! Moving a lot faster than a B-52 and carrying fuel that burns a lot hotter than fuel used in a B-52.

    2). The amount of explosives needed to take down a structure of that size wouldnt be able to be snuck in and concealed without people noticing.

    3) The reason for no bodies being discovered was that a jet liner was flown full speed straight into the ground.  Headed almost straight down so it would have exceeded the jets top speed and exery thing was vaporized.

    Then just to comment about some other comments.

    There have been many test to prove that cell phone calls can be made from that height. Plus I would know if an actor was calling me and pretending to be a loved one. Not just their voice but also the words they use and just how they talk.

    And there is a video of the plane hitting the Pentagon its just the jet was traveling over 600 mph (AT LEAST) and the cameras were setup to take pics once every 1 sec. Plus there were hundreds of people who saw it happen, including civilians (non military personell)

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    I am a little offended by this so I wont read too much more. But thought I woould comment on a couple things.

    1). They did not collapse because of fire! Two airline jets were flown into them! Moving a lot faster than a B-52 and carrying fuel that burns a lot hotter than fuel used in a B-52.

    2). The amount of explosives needed to take down a structure of that size wouldnt be able to be snuck in and concealed without people noticing.

    3) The reason for no bodies being discovered was that a jet liner was flown full speed straight into the ground.  Headed almost straight down so it would have exceeded the jets top speed and exery thing was vaporized.

    Then just to comment about some other comments.

    There have been many test to prove that cell phone calls can be made from that height. Plus I would know if an actor was calling me and pretending to be a loved one. Not just their voice but also the words they use and just how they talk.

    And there is a video of the plane hitting the Pentagon its just the jet was traveling over 600 mph (AT LEAST) and the cameras were setup to take pics once every 1 sec. Plus there were hundreds of people who saw it happen, including civilians (non military personell)

     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2010 - 2:16 AM ET #1303

    And so they werent afraid to crach planes into the most populated city in our country but for flight 93 they just stopped and let them out.  If they were willing to kill that many they wouldnt have hesitated to crash one plane into the country side
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    And so they werent afraid to crach planes into the most populated city in our country but for flight 93 they just stopped and let them out.  If they were willing to kill that many they wouldnt have hesitated to crash one plane into the country side
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2010 - 2:25 AM ET #1304

    Videos can be faked so telling videos is pointless!

    Plus if the govt did this, how many people would they have to keep quiet? Way too many! Isnt more likely people who have hated this country and made continous threats against us took some planes and attacked us with them?

    Have fun watching Jesse Venturas crazy ass on tv. Quit disrepecting those that died on that day! And if our govt did do this it would mean military personell would have to be involved.  Those same soldiers who are dieing over there everday! Youre disrespecting our heros too!

    Its called critical thinking people! America was attacked! why is that so hard to believe?

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    Videos can be faked so telling videos is pointless!

    Plus if the govt did this, how many people would they have to keep quiet? Way too many! Isnt more likely people who have hated this country and made continous threats against us took some planes and attacked us with them?

    Have fun watching Jesse Venturas crazy ass on tv. Quit disrepecting those that died on that day! And if our govt did do this it would mean military personell would have to be involved.  Those same soldiers who are dieing over there everday! Youre disrespecting our heros too!

    Its called critical thinking people! America was attacked! why is that so hard to believe?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2010 - 2:56 AM ET #1305

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisku5:

    Videos can be faked so telling videos is pointless!

    Plus if the govt did this, how many people would they have to keep quiet? Way too many! Isnt more likely people who have hated this country and made continous threats against us took some planes and attacked us with them?

    Have fun watching Jesse Venturas crazy ass on tv. Quit disrepecting those that died on that day! And if our govt did do this it would mean military personell would have to be involved.  Those same soldiers who are dieing over there everday! Youre disrespecting our heros too!

    Its called critical thinking people! America was attacked! why is that so hard to believe?



    well said


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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisku5:

    Videos can be faked so telling videos is pointless!

    Plus if the govt did this, how many people would they have to keep quiet? Way too many! Isnt more likely people who have hated this country and made continous threats against us took some planes and attacked us with them?

    Have fun watching Jesse Venturas crazy ass on tv. Quit disrepecting those that died on that day! And if our govt did do this it would mean military personell would have to be involved.  Those same soldiers who are dieing over there everday! Youre disrespecting our heros too!

    Its called critical thinking people! America was attacked! why is that so hard to believe?



    well said


     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2010 - 2:57 AM ET #1306

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisku5:

    And so they werent afraid to crach planes into the most populated city in our country but for flight 93 they just stopped and let them out.  If they were willing to kill that many they wouldnt have hesitated to crash one plane into the country side


    true enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisku5:

    And so they werent afraid to crach planes into the most populated city in our country but for flight 93 they just stopped and let them out.  If they were willing to kill that many they wouldnt have hesitated to crash one plane into the country side


    true enough
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2010 - 11:27 AM ET #1307

    More bullshit from Hutch....

    I haven't seen you in about 4 years

    We had this same discussion in the Political thread about 5 months ago...Same shit there of you avoiding one or two questions.

    One reference over 4 years.  I guess I forgot.  You obviously are obsessed.

    my favorite was the one where the firefighters had increased cancer rates

    My point of that was.....Your Government not caring about them but of course you try to make something else about it.

    They have a job...if the people who were affected could prove causation, I'd think that they would attempt to do so. 

    The best you have to offer that a plane didn't hit the pentagon is there is no picture of it. 

    That's the ONE question that I ask ....Why not show it to put it to bed.....YOU can't answer that so your Kool-aid soaked brain tells you to go on defence rambling on other shit like this.....

    Maybe because they don't have one.

    coldsnap:  But seriously, a car did slam into my front door. 

    insurance agent:  Do you have any video of this?

    coldsnap:  No, but we have 2 dead bodies and parts from a Chevy Tahoo in my kitchen and living room.

    insurance agent:  Sorry, but we can't honor your claim.  How can we assume that these parts and bodies weren't just planted by you in an effort to collect the insurance money.  

    No answer to this....that isn't a surprise.

    And for what it's worth, my cat anecdote was in a cat and dog thread.  It was almost as interesting as your story about getting to go hang out in the pilot's cockpit and take some pictures.  I'm sure those pictures were way more amazing then the ones you get out of the window in the worst seat of the plane

    I was in the cockpit of a plane flying to England.....You have a cat. Awesome.      Tell everyone the amazing stories you have posted in the past like...

    When you went over to Wagerline all pissed off cause a buddy of yours got banned and you blamed them.....You got your ass handed to you by those guys and came back with your tail between your legs. 

    The bar in Wisconsin that you and your brother shot pool in ...then realized that it was a gay bar....but still go to when you are in the neighbourhood. 

    Spilling nailpolish on your carpet. 

    Too many to go on but....All great stories. 

    It's funny how you remember all of these posts I made when I can't have trouble remembering one of yours. 

    You do own me in sports wagering, though.  Oh, wait, that would be impossible since you never, EVER post an opinion on any sporting event. 

    You should do a litte research yourself before posting shit like this...This weekend alone I have posted...

    Chic-Gr.Bay-KC  Parlay  $500 to win $610  BIG WINNER

    This bet was so popular that the only one that responded to your post was.......YOU.....who congratulated yourself on the win. 

     

    I have not posted in response to one of your posts forever....until now.  And that was only because you responded to one of my posts.  Should be reasonable enough evidence that I don't give a shit about what you think....unless you're going to post bull shit in response to me.

    I'll agree to not post anything unsolicited in response to what you post if you will do the same.  Simple fix, don't you think?

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    More bullshit from Hutch....

    I haven't seen you in about 4 years

    We had this same discussion in the Political thread about 5 months ago...Same shit there of you avoiding one or two questions.

    One reference over 4 years.  I guess I forgot.  You obviously are obsessed.

    my favorite was the one where the firefighters had increased cancer rates

    My point of that was.....Your Government not caring about them but of course you try to make something else about it.

    They have a job...if the people who were affected could prove causation, I'd think that they would attempt to do so. 

    The best you have to offer that a plane didn't hit the pentagon is there is no picture of it. 

    That's the ONE question that I ask ....Why not show it to put it to bed.....YOU can't answer that so your Kool-aid soaked brain tells you to go on defence rambling on other shit like this.....

    Maybe because they don't have one.

    coldsnap:  But seriously, a car did slam into my front door. 

    insurance agent:  Do you have any video of this?

    coldsnap:  No, but we have 2 dead bodies and parts from a Chevy Tahoo in my kitchen and living room.

    insurance agent:  Sorry, but we can't honor your claim.  How can we assume that these parts and bodies weren't just planted by you in an effort to collect the insurance money.  

    No answer to this....that isn't a surprise.

    And for what it's worth, my cat anecdote was in a cat and dog thread.  It was almost as interesting as your story about getting to go hang out in the pilot's cockpit and take some pictures.  I'm sure those pictures were way more amazing then the ones you get out of the window in the worst seat of the plane

    I was in the cockpit of a plane flying to England.....You have a cat. Awesome.      Tell everyone the amazing stories you have posted in the past like...

    When you went over to Wagerline all pissed off cause a buddy of yours got banned and you blamed them.....You got your ass handed to you by those guys and came back with your tail between your legs. 

    The bar in Wisconsin that you and your brother shot pool in ...then realized that it was a gay bar....but still go to when you are in the neighbourhood. 

    Spilling nailpolish on your carpet. 

    Too many to go on but....All great stories. 

    It's funny how you remember all of these posts I made when I can't have trouble remembering one of yours. 

    You do own me in sports wagering, though.  Oh, wait, that would be impossible since you never, EVER post an opinion on any sporting event. 

    You should do a litte research yourself before posting shit like this...This weekend alone I have posted...

    Chic-Gr.Bay-KC  Parlay  $500 to win $610  BIG WINNER

    This bet was so popular that the only one that responded to your post was.......YOU.....who congratulated yourself on the win. 

     

    I have not posted in response to one of your posts forever....until now.  And that was only because you responded to one of my posts.  Should be reasonable enough evidence that I don't give a shit about what you think....unless you're going to post bull shit in response to me.

    I'll agree to not post anything unsolicited in response to what you post if you will do the same.  Simple fix, don't you think?

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2010 - 11:40 AM ET #1308

    We had this same discussion in the Political thread about 5 months ago...Same shit there of you avoiding one or two questions.

    __________

    One debate in 5 years....

    My point of that was.....Your Government not caring about them but of course you try to make something else about it.

    If they could prove causation, I'd guess that they would pursue it. 

    That's the ONE question that I ask ....Why not show it to put it to bed.....YOU can't answer that so your Kool-aid soaked brain tells you to go on defence rambling on other shit like this.....

    Maybe because they don't have one?

    coldsnap:  But seriously, a car did slam into my front door. 

    insurance agent:  Do you have any video of this?

    coldsnap:  No, but we have 2 dead bodies and parts from a Chevy Tahoo in my kitchen and living room.

    insurance agent:  Sorry, but we can't honor your claim.  How can we assume that these parts and bodies weren't just planted by you in an effort to collect the insurance money.  

    No answer to this....I'm not surprised

    Parlay  $500 to win $610  BIG WINNER

    And the only one who responded to your thread was YOU....who congratulated yourself on your win.

    What did you post? ....Thought so.   

    My last pick were the Yotes as a dog at MN. 

     

    It should be obvious to you that I generally don't care about what you post.  In the last 4 years, I have only responded to what you have posted in response to what I have posted.  I've never sought you out.  Why the obsession?  It's a simple fix. 

    I'm done posting in response to anything you have to say....take the challenge and do the same. 

     

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    We had this same discussion in the Political thread about 5 months ago...Same shit there of you avoiding one or two questions.

    __________

    One debate in 5 years....

    My point of that was.....Your Government not caring about them but of course you try to make something else about it.

    If they could prove causation, I'd guess that they would pursue it. 

    That's the ONE question that I ask ....Why not show it to put it to bed.....YOU can't answer that so your Kool-aid soaked brain tells you to go on defence rambling on other shit like this.....

    Maybe because they don't have one?

    coldsnap:  But seriously, a car did slam into my front door. 

    insurance agent:  Do you have any video of this?

    coldsnap:  No, but we have 2 dead bodies and parts from a Chevy Tahoo in my kitchen and living room.

    insurance agent:  Sorry, but we can't honor your claim.  How can we assume that these parts and bodies weren't just planted by you in an effort to collect the insurance money.  

    No answer to this....I'm not surprised

    Parlay  $500 to win $610  BIG WINNER

    And the only one who responded to your thread was YOU....who congratulated yourself on your win.

    What did you post? ....Thought so.   

    My last pick were the Yotes as a dog at MN. 

     

    It should be obvious to you that I generally don't care about what you post.  In the last 4 years, I have only responded to what you have posted in response to what I have posted.  I've never sought you out.  Why the obsession?  It's a simple fix. 

    I'm done posting in response to anything you have to say....take the challenge and do the same. 

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2010 - 11:41 AM ET #1309

    And you can consider this a surrender that you have owned me over the last 5-6 years.  I can't compete and give up. 

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    And you can consider this a surrender that you have owned me over the last 5-6 years.  I can't compete and give up. 

     
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    The fact of the matter is that the truth is not fully known.

    It lies between the coverup/official explanation and the questions asked(not all of which are either realistic nor implausible).

    Many questions asked CAN be answered and many questions asked have been ignored. Also, beyond the physical acts committed that day, the hard facts... there are many situational questions that have either been ignored or simply put aside by refusal to be answered so that someone can be held accountable for those answers.

    In all investigations there are Five W's and One big H.

    Who... What... When... Where... Why... and How.

    Many of these have only been given partial answers and honestly those answer have raised even more questions which have still yet to see the light of day.

    Did it happen... Yes.

    Did it happen the way the government says it happened AND NOTHING MORE... No.

    Is everything the conspiracy theorist say true... No

    Do they have a reason to believe the entire truth is not being told... Yes.

    No sane person can believe all the theories but No sane person can believe the entire event was as cut and dry as told by the government either.

    The truth lies in the gray area between the two... and you have to have some gray area between your two to understand that.

    The fact that the US government was not and is not willing to investigate this until hell freezes over just goes to show that they don't want all their covert dealings regarding this event to be disclosed.

    The objective of the mission was to eventually get boots on the ground in those desired areas and gain control of all activity in those areas so they can complete whatever backdoor dealings they have in mind... from oil to minerals to the bases needed there for protection of the exploration and exploitation of those goals.

    There is a "pack of dogs" involved in the frenzy and no one person can be held entirely responsible for all that has transpired yet very few, if any, know the complete depths they have gone to in order to make the mission possible and carry it out as it has unfolded.

    The dots are many and most likey don't know of each other(in the case of human dots). But if someone were able to connect them all then the picture would become more clear. The problem is that as more time passes... the dots begin to disappear and eventually fade away in the darkness never to be seen again. Just like much of the physical evidence already has. This will make the truth hard to reconstruct.

    Amazing that with all the popular CSI shows on TV and forensic evidence mentioned in the news, that the crime sceen was so abruptly cleaned up and disposed of or hidden away from the public or flat out denied that it even existed at all. And there is no official record of... why. And persuing this will get you most likely destroyed or killed.

    Amazing also that so many government officials have stonewalled the efforts to have definitive answers uncovered.

    You are not wrong to believe OR not believe because you would all be correct yet you would all be incorrect also.

    Did highjacked planes crash... Yes.

    Was there a conspiracy... Yes also.

    The highjackers were a conspiracy to begin with.

    But just how deep and tangled is that conspiracy and who received the most benifits because of the events of the 9/11 tragedies. And who were the persons that had the parts in making it all possible, and why are they being allowed to get away with it without further investgation.

    There are responsibles who have either dirt, blood or both on their hands and it will never go away. The only thing they can do is to hide their hands and that's exactly what has been permitted by doing no further investigations into the matters.

    The Bill Clinton hummer sex episode was cost 100 MILLION dollars to investigate.

    The 9/11 commision was given 3 million dollars which was raised to a grand total of 14 million after an outcry. They also put a strict time limit on the 9/11 report all while trying to stonewall it.

    Ask yourself... why?

    One person shit is another person manure. Some are in tears and some are laughing all the way to the bank.

    We won't all see eye to eye on this... but don't close your eyes and tell someone else they are blind.

    The truth is out there... but it will not be easy... not one bit easy.

    It's in the gray... a mixed stew of truth and lies, heros and evil bastards.

    May The Good Lord give comfort to those who have lost loved ones and may The Good Lord also keep an eye out for all us common people who are just trying to survive another day in this wonderful place we call home that is being destroyed with us inside it.

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    The fact of the matter is that the truth is not fully known.

    It lies between the coverup/official explanation and the questions asked(not all of which are either realistic nor implausible).

    Many questions asked CAN be answered and many questions asked have been ignored. Also, beyond the physical acts committed that day, the hard facts... there are many situational questions that have either been ignored or simply put aside by refusal to be answered so that someone can be held accountable for those answers.

    In all investigations there are Five W's and One big H.

    Who... What... When... Where... Why... and How.

    Many of these have only been given partial answers and honestly those answer have raised even more questions which have still yet to see the light of day.

    Did it happen... Yes.

    Did it happen the way the government says it happened AND NOTHING MORE... No.

    Is everything the conspiracy theorist say true... No

    Do they have a reason to believe the entire truth is not being told... Yes.

    No sane person can believe all the theories but No sane person can believe the entire event was as cut and dry as told by the government either.

    The truth lies in the gray area between the two... and you have to have some gray area between your two to understand that.

    The fact that the US government was not and is not willing to investigate this until hell freezes over just goes to show that they don't want all their covert dealings regarding this event to be disclosed.

    The objective of the mission was to eventually get boots on the ground in those desired areas and gain control of all activity in those areas so they can complete whatever backdoor dealings they have in mind... from oil to minerals to the bases needed there for protection of the exploration and exploitation of those goals.

    There is a "pack of dogs" involved in the frenzy and no one person can be held entirely responsible for all that has transpired yet very few, if any, know the complete depths they have gone to in order to make the mission possible and carry it out as it has unfolded.

    The dots are many and most likey don't know of each other(in the case of human dots). But if someone were able to connect them all then the picture would become more clear. The problem is that as more time passes... the dots begin to disappear and eventually fade away in the darkness never to be seen again. Just like much of the physical evidence already has. This will make the truth hard to reconstruct.

    Amazing that with all the popular CSI shows on TV and forensic evidence mentioned in the news, that the crime sceen was so abruptly cleaned up and disposed of or hidden away from the public or flat out denied that it even existed at all. And there is no official record of... why. And persuing this will get you most likely destroyed or killed.

    Amazing also that so many government officials have stonewalled the efforts to have definitive answers uncovered.

    You are not wrong to believe OR not believe because you would all be correct yet you would all be incorrect also.

    Did highjacked planes crash... Yes.

    Was there a conspiracy... Yes also.

    The highjackers were a conspiracy to begin with.

    But just how deep and tangled is that conspiracy and who received the most benifits because of the events of the 9/11 tragedies. And who were the persons that had the parts in making it all possible, and why are they being allowed to get away with it without further investgation.

    There are responsibles who have either dirt, blood or both on their hands and it will never go away. The only thing they can do is to hide their hands and that's exactly what has been permitted by doing no further investigations into the matters.

    The Bill Clinton hummer sex episode was cost 100 MILLION dollars to investigate.

    The 9/11 commision was given 3 million dollars which was raised to a grand total of 14 million after an outcry. They also put a strict time limit on the 9/11 report all while trying to stonewall it.

    Ask yourself... why?

    One person shit is another person manure. Some are in tears and some are laughing all the way to the bank.

    We won't all see eye to eye on this... but don't close your eyes and tell someone else they are blind.

    The truth is out there... but it will not be easy... not one bit easy.

    It's in the gray... a mixed stew of truth and lies, heros and evil bastards.

    May The Good Lord give comfort to those who have lost loved ones and may The Good Lord also keep an eye out for all us common people who are just trying to survive another day in this wonderful place we call home that is being destroyed with us inside it.

     
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    "The objective of the mission was to eventually get boots on the ground in those desired areas and gain control of all activity in those areas so they can complete whatever backdoor dealings they have in mind... from oil to minerals to the bases needed there for protection of the exploration and exploitation of those goals.

    ....

    The highjackers were a conspiracy to begin with."


    Wait, am I understanding you right? Is your theory that the hijackers were part of a conspiracy to begin with, a conspiracy that was either initiated or helped along by elements of the US government with the ultimate goal of troops in the Middle East?


    Why the hell would these hijackers, who all had ties to militant / extremist brands of Islam, be complicit with that conspiracy? They hate the US and would definitely not be part of a conspiracy with the gov't that resulted in US troops' boots on the ground in the Middle East.

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    "The objective of the mission was to eventually get boots on the ground in those desired areas and gain control of all activity in those areas so they can complete whatever backdoor dealings they have in mind... from oil to minerals to the bases needed there for protection of the exploration and exploitation of those goals.

    ....

    The highjackers were a conspiracy to begin with."


    Wait, am I understanding you right? Is your theory that the hijackers were part of a conspiracy to begin with, a conspiracy that was either initiated or helped along by elements of the US government with the ultimate goal of troops in the Middle East?


    Why the hell would these hijackers, who all had ties to militant / extremist brands of Islam, be complicit with that conspiracy? They hate the US and would definitely not be part of a conspiracy with the gov't that resulted in US troops' boots on the ground in the Middle East.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    "The objective of the mission was to eventually get boots on the ground in those desired areas and gain control of all activity in those areas so they can complete whatever backdoor dealings they have in mind... from oil to minerals to the bases needed there for protection of the exploration and exploitation of those goals.

    ....

    The highjackers were a conspiracy to begin with."


    Wait, am I understanding you right? Is your theory that the hijackers were part of a conspiracy to begin with, a conspiracy that was either initiated or helped along by elements of the US government with the ultimate goal of troops in the Middle East?


    Why the hell would these hijackers, who all had ties to militant / extremist brands of Islam, be complicit with that conspiracy? They hate the US and would definitely not be part of a conspiracy with the gov't that resulted in US troops' boots on the ground in the Middle East.

    kp3-

    Logic is not allowed in this discussion. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    "The objective of the mission was to eventually get boots on the ground in those desired areas and gain control of all activity in those areas so they can complete whatever backdoor dealings they have in mind... from oil to minerals to the bases needed there for protection of the exploration and exploitation of those goals.

    ....

    The highjackers were a conspiracy to begin with."


    Wait, am I understanding you right? Is your theory that the hijackers were part of a conspiracy to begin with, a conspiracy that was either initiated or helped along by elements of the US government with the ultimate goal of troops in the Middle East?


    Why the hell would these hijackers, who all had ties to militant / extremist brands of Islam, be complicit with that conspiracy? They hate the US and would definitely not be part of a conspiracy with the gov't that resulted in US troops' boots on the ground in the Middle East.

    kp3-

    Logic is not allowed in this discussion. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skubishack:

    The fact of the matter is that the truth is not fully known.

    It lies between the coverup/official explanation and the questions asked(not all of which are either realistic nor implausible).

    Many questions asked CAN be answered and many questions asked have been ignored. Also, beyond the physical acts committed that day, the hard facts... there are many situational questions that have either been ignored or simply put aside by refusal to be answered so that someone can be held accountable for those answers.

    In all investigations there are Five W's and One big H.

    Who... What... When... Where... Why... and How.

    Many of these have only been given partial answers and honestly those answer have raised even more questions which have still yet to see the light of day.

    Did it happen... Yes.

    Did it happen the way the government says it happened AND NOTHING MORE... No.

    Is everything the conspiracy theorist say true... No

    Do they have a reason to believe the entire truth is not being told... Yes.

    No sane person can believe all the theories but No sane person can believe the entire event was as cut and dry as told by the government either.

    The truth lies in the gray area between the two... and you have to have some gray area between your two to understand that.

    The fact that the US government was not and is not willing to investigate this until hell freezes over just goes to show that they don't want all their covert dealings regarding this event to be disclosed.

    The objective of the mission was to eventually get boots on the ground in those desired areas and gain control of all activity in those areas so they can complete whatever backdoor dealings they have in mind... from oil to minerals to the bases needed there for protection of the exploration and exploitation of those goals.

    There is a "pack of dogs" involved in the frenzy and no one person can be held entirely responsible for all that has transpired yet very few, if any, know the complete depths they have gone to in order to make the mission possible and carry it out as it has unfolded.

    The dots are many and most likey don't know of each other(in the case of human dots). But if someone were able to connect them all then the picture would become more clear. The problem is that as more time passes... the dots begin to disappear and eventually fade away in the darkness never to be seen again. Just like much of the physical evidence already has. This will make the truth hard to reconstruct.

    Amazing that with all the popular CSI shows on TV and forensic evidence mentioned in the news, that the crime sceen was so abruptly cleaned up and disposed of or hidden away from the public or flat out denied that it even existed at all. And there is no official record of... why. And persuing this will get you most likely destroyed or killed.

    Amazing also that so many government officials have stonewalled the efforts to have definitive answers uncovered.

    You are not wrong to believe OR not believe because you would all be correct yet you would all be incorrect also.

    Did highjacked planes crash... Yes.

    Was there a conspiracy... Yes also.

    The highjackers were a conspiracy to begin with.

    But just how deep and tangled is that conspiracy and who received the most benifits because of the events of the 9/11 tragedies. And who were the persons that had the parts in making it all possible, and why are they being allowed to get away with it without further investgation.

    There are responsibles who have either dirt, blood or both on their hands and it will never go away. The only thing they can do is to hide their hands and that's exactly what has been permitted by doing no further investigations into the matters.

    The Bill Clinton hummer sex episode was cost 100 MILLION dollars to investigate.

    The 9/11 commision was given 3 million dollars which was raised to a grand total of 14 million after an outcry. They also put a strict time limit on the 9/11 report all while trying to stonewall it.

    Ask yourself... why?

    One person shit is another person manure. Some are in tears and some are laughing all the way to the bank.

    We won't all see eye to eye on this... but don't close your eyes and tell someone else they are blind.

    The truth is out there... but it will not be easy... not one bit easy.

    It's in the gray... a mixed stew of truth and lies, heros and evil bastards.

    May The Good Lord give comfort to those who have lost loved ones and may The Good Lord also keep an eye out for all us common people who are just trying to survive another day in this wonderful place we call home that is being destroyed with us inside it.



    great work 




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    Quote Originally Posted by Skubishack:

    The fact of the matter is that the truth is not fully known.

    It lies between the coverup/official explanation and the questions asked(not all of which are either realistic nor implausible).

    Many questions asked CAN be answered and many questions asked have been ignored. Also, beyond the physical acts committed that day, the hard facts... there are many situational questions that have either been ignored or simply put aside by refusal to be answered so that someone can be held accountable for those answers.

    In all investigations there are Five W's and One big H.

    Who... What... When... Where... Why... and How.

    Many of these have only been given partial answers and honestly those answer have raised even more questions which have still yet to see the light of day.

    Did it happen... Yes.

    Did it happen the way the government says it happened AND NOTHING MORE... No.

    Is everything the conspiracy theorist say true... No

    Do they have a reason to believe the entire truth is not being told... Yes.

    No sane person can believe all the theories but No sane person can believe the entire event was as cut and dry as told by the government either.

    The truth lies in the gray area between the two... and you have to have some gray area between your two to understand that.

    The fact that the US government was not and is not willing to investigate this until hell freezes over just goes to show that they don't want all their covert dealings regarding this event to be disclosed.

    The objective of the mission was to eventually get boots on the ground in those desired areas and gain control of all activity in those areas so they can complete whatever backdoor dealings they have in mind... from oil to minerals to the bases needed there for protection of the exploration and exploitation of those goals.

    There is a "pack of dogs" involved in the frenzy and no one person can be held entirely responsible for all that has transpired yet very few, if any, know the complete depths they have gone to in order to make the mission possible and carry it out as it has unfolded.

    The dots are many and most likey don't know of each other(in the case of human dots). But if someone were able to connect them all then the picture would become more clear. The problem is that as more time passes... the dots begin to disappear and eventually fade away in the darkness never to be seen again. Just like much of the physical evidence already has. This will make the truth hard to reconstruct.

    Amazing that with all the popular CSI shows on TV and forensic evidence mentioned in the news, that the crime sceen was so abruptly cleaned up and disposed of or hidden away from the public or flat out denied that it even existed at all. And there is no official record of... why. And persuing this will get you most likely destroyed or killed.

    Amazing also that so many government officials have stonewalled the efforts to have definitive answers uncovered.

    You are not wrong to believe OR not believe because you would all be correct yet you would all be incorrect also.

    Did highjacked planes crash... Yes.

    Was there a conspiracy... Yes also.

    The highjackers were a conspiracy to begin with.

    But just how deep and tangled is that conspiracy and who received the most benifits because of the events of the 9/11 tragedies. And who were the persons that had the parts in making it all possible, and why are they being allowed to get away with it without further investgation.

    There are responsibles who have either dirt, blood or both on their hands and it will never go away. The only thing they can do is to hide their hands and that's exactly what has been permitted by doing no further investigations into the matters.

    The Bill Clinton hummer sex episode was cost 100 MILLION dollars to investigate.

    The 9/11 commision was given 3 million dollars which was raised to a grand total of 14 million after an outcry. They also put a strict time limit on the 9/11 report all while trying to stonewall it.

    Ask yourself... why?

    One person shit is another person manure. Some are in tears and some are laughing all the way to the bank.

    We won't all see eye to eye on this... but don't close your eyes and tell someone else they are blind.

    The truth is out there... but it will not be easy... not one bit easy.

    It's in the gray... a mixed stew of truth and lies, heros and evil bastards.

    May The Good Lord give comfort to those who have lost loved ones and may The Good Lord also keep an eye out for all us common people who are just trying to survive another day in this wonderful place we call home that is being destroyed with us inside it.



    great work 




     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skubishack:

    The fact of the matter is that the truth is not fully known.

    It lies between the coverup/official explanation and the questions asked(not all of which are either realistic nor implausible).

    Many questions asked CAN be answered and many questions asked have been ignored. Also, beyond the physical acts committed that day, the hard facts... there are many situational questions that have either been ignored or simply put aside by refusal to be answered so that someone can be held accountable for those answers.

    In all investigations there are Five W's and One big H.

    Who... What... When... Where... Why... and How.

    Many of these have only been given partial answers and honestly those answer have raised even more questions which have still yet to see the light of day.

    Did it happen... Yes.

    Did it happen the way the government says it happened AND NOTHING MORE... No.

    Is everything the conspiracy theorist say true... No

    Do they have a reason to believe the entire truth is not being told... Yes.

    No sane person can believe all the theories but No sane person can believe the entire event was as cut and dry as told by the government either.

    The truth lies in the gray area between the two... and you have to have some gray area between your two to understand that.

    The fact that the US government was not and is not willing to investigate this until hell freezes over just goes to show that they don't want all their covert dealings regarding this event to be disclosed.

    The objective of the mission was to eventually get boots on the ground in those desired areas and gain control of all activity in those areas so they can complete whatever backdoor dealings they have in mind... from oil to minerals to the bases needed there for protection of the exploration and exploitation of those goals.

    There is a "pack of dogs" involved in the frenzy and no one person can be held entirely responsible for all that has transpired yet very few, if any, know the complete depths they have gone to in order to make the mission possible and carry it out as it has unfolded.

    The dots are many and most likey don't know of each other(in the case of human dots). But if someone were able to connect them all then the picture would become more clear. The problem is that as more time passes... the dots begin to disappear and eventually fade away in the darkness never to be seen again. Just like much of the physical evidence already has. This will make the truth hard to reconstruct.

    Amazing that with all the popular CSI shows on TV and forensic evidence mentioned in the news, that the crime sceen was so abruptly cleaned up and disposed of or hidden away from the public or flat out denied that it even existed at all. And there is no official record of... why. And persuing this will get you most likely destroyed or killed.

    Amazing also that so many government officials have stonewalled the efforts to have definitive answers uncovered.

    You are not wrong to believe OR not believe because you would all be correct yet you would all be incorrect also.

    Did highjacked planes crash... Yes.

    Was there a conspiracy... Yes also.

    The highjackers were a conspiracy to begin with.

    But just how deep and tangled is that conspiracy and who received the most benifits because of the events of the 9/11 tragedies. And who were the persons that had the parts in making it all possible, and why are they being allowed to get away with it without further investgation.

    There are responsibles who have either dirt, blood or both on their hands and it will never go away. The only thing they can do is to hide their hands and that's exactly what has been permitted by doing no further investigations into the matters.

    The Bill Clinton hummer sex episode was cost 100 MILLION dollars to investigate.

    The 9/11 commision was given 3 million dollars which was raised to a grand total of 14 million after an outcry. They also put a strict time limit on the 9/11 report all while trying to stonewall it.

    Ask yourself... why?

    One person shit is another person manure. Some are in tears and some are laughing all the way to the bank.

    We won't all see eye to eye on this... but don't close your eyes and tell someone else they are blind.

    The truth is out there... but it will not be easy... not one bit easy.

    It's in the gray... a mixed stew of truth and lies, heros and evil bastards.

    May The Good Lord give comfort to those who have lost loved ones and may The Good Lord also keep an eye out for all us common people who are just trying to survive another day in this wonderful place we call home that is being destroyed with us inside it.


    Great post 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skubishack:

    The fact of the matter is that the truth is not fully known.

    It lies between the coverup/official explanation and the questions asked(not all of which are either realistic nor implausible).

    Many questions asked CAN be answered and many questions asked have been ignored. Also, beyond the physical acts committed that day, the hard facts... there are many situational questions that have either been ignored or simply put aside by refusal to be answered so that someone can be held accountable for those answers.

    In all investigations there are Five W's and One big H.

    Who... What... When... Where... Why... and How.

    Many of these have only been given partial answers and honestly those answer have raised even more questions which have still yet to see the light of day.

    Did it happen... Yes.

    Did it happen the way the government says it happened AND NOTHING MORE... No.

    Is everything the conspiracy theorist say true... No

    Do they have a reason to believe the entire truth is not being told... Yes.

    No sane person can believe all the theories but No sane person can believe the entire event was as cut and dry as told by the government either.

    The truth lies in the gray area between the two... and you have to have some gray area between your two to understand that.

    The fact that the US government was not and is not willing to investigate this until hell freezes over just goes to show that they don't want all their covert dealings regarding this event to be disclosed.

    The objective of the mission was to eventually get boots on the ground in those desired areas and gain control of all activity in those areas so they can complete whatever backdoor dealings they have in mind... from oil to minerals to the bases needed there for protection of the exploration and exploitation of those goals.

    There is a "pack of dogs" involved in the frenzy and no one person can be held entirely responsible for all that has transpired yet very few, if any, know the complete depths they have gone to in order to make the mission possible and carry it out as it has unfolded.

    The dots are many and most likey don't know of each other(in the case of human dots). But if someone were able to connect them all then the picture would become more clear. The problem is that as more time passes... the dots begin to disappear and eventually fade away in the darkness never to be seen again. Just like much of the physical evidence already has. This will make the truth hard to reconstruct.

    Amazing that with all the popular CSI shows on TV and forensic evidence mentioned in the news, that the crime sceen was so abruptly cleaned up and disposed of or hidden away from the public or flat out denied that it even existed at all. And there is no official record of... why. And persuing this will get you most likely destroyed or killed.

    Amazing also that so many government officials have stonewalled the efforts to have definitive answers uncovered.

    You are not wrong to believe OR not believe because you would all be correct yet you would all be incorrect also.

    Did highjacked planes crash... Yes.

    Was there a conspiracy... Yes also.

    The highjackers were a conspiracy to begin with.

    But just how deep and tangled is that conspiracy and who received the most benifits because of the events of the 9/11 tragedies. And who were the persons that had the parts in making it all possible, and why are they being allowed to get away with it without further investgation.

    There are responsibles who have either dirt, blood or both on their hands and it will never go away. The only thing they can do is to hide their hands and that's exactly what has been permitted by doing no further investigations into the matters.

    The Bill Clinton hummer sex episode was cost 100 MILLION dollars to investigate.

    The 9/11 commision was given 3 million dollars which was raised to a grand total of 14 million after an outcry. They also put a strict time limit on the 9/11 report all while trying to stonewall it.

    Ask yourself... why?

    One person shit is another person manure. Some are in tears and some are laughing all the way to the bank.

    We won't all see eye to eye on this... but don't close your eyes and tell someone else they are blind.

    The truth is out there... but it will not be easy... not one bit easy.

    It's in the gray... a mixed stew of truth and lies, heros and evil bastards.

    May The Good Lord give comfort to those who have lost loved ones and may The Good Lord also keep an eye out for all us common people who are just trying to survive another day in this wonderful place we call home that is being destroyed with us inside it.


    Great post 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    kp3-

    Logic is not allowed in this discussion. 


    Coming from the single most post who denies logic in this thread 
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    Logic is not allowed in this discussion. 


    Coming from the single most post who denies logic in this thread 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:


    Coming from the single most post who denies logic in this thread 

    You mean denying the logic that many part from a 757 were found in the pentagon.

    You mean defying the logic that the main conspiracy theorists in "Loose Change" (a view of which you obviously believe) were found to lie or mis-represent the facts re. 9/11 more then a 100 times in their "publication?" 

    Color me guilty. 

    You could actually serve on a jury to decide my fate.  That frightens me more then you know. 

     

     

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    Coming from the single most post who denies logic in this thread 

    You mean denying the logic that many part from a 757 were found in the pentagon.

    You mean defying the logic that the main conspiracy theorists in "Loose Change" (a view of which you obviously believe) were found to lie or mis-represent the facts re. 9/11 more then a 100 times in their "publication?" 

    Color me guilty. 

    You could actually serve on a jury to decide my fate.  That frightens me more then you know. 

     

     

     
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    I still have a question....name me one REPUTABLE building engineer who says that the Twin Towers came down due to explosives.  ONE. 
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    I still have a question....name me one REPUTABLE building engineer who says that the Twin Towers came down due to explosives.  ONE. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Wait, am I understanding you right? Is your theory that the hijackers were part of a conspiracy to begin with, a conspiracy that was either initiated or helped along by elements of the US government with the ultimate goal of troops in the Middle East?

    Why the hell would these hijackers, who all had ties to militant / extremist brands of Islam, be complicit with that conspiracy? They hate the US and would definitely not be part of a conspiracy with the gov't that resulted in US troops' boots on the ground in the Middle East.

    They were tools who were permitted to carry out their plan which in turn gave the "powers that be" the green light with no international backlash since "You're either with us or against us". So the jackers were allowed to complete their mission, allowing Bush and Co. to start going from the planning to the doing of their shopping trip to Iraq and Afganistan.

    The plan was known to be in the works, most likely the exact date and time also. All the US had to do was clear the path and act as if the lack of response was due to a training exercise which caught us shorthanded. All first responce from official was they had no idea a thing like this was planned, despite much evedence showing they had been forewarned long in advance. We and the Saudis paid the Pakistani ISI (Inter Services Intellegence) money which in turn was paid to the Jackers so our hands looked clean and the Jackers thought they had friends in Pakastan's ISI. The head of the ISI was at the White House the night before and while the transfer was made from the ISI to the jackers. Video Gaming I guess... since no one whats to explain why he was there in the first place on that night while all the final keys were being put into place.

    Many military and government official were told to change all travel plans and not to fly commercial during that time. At Bush's stay in Florida the night before he had snipers and anti-aircraft on the roof of where he was staying... a sudden change from any and all previous travel nights on the road away from Washington, DC. They just did not do this before... but made sure they were ready that night.

    The Eastern seaboard could have been attacked by many that day but they knew what to expect. They had even scheduled an excersize regarding a plane attack on the Towers for the same day. Just like the British had a terror training exercise going on when that famous subway bombing happened there. Johny on the spot... The Brits were at the station training when it happened.

    From the time 93 was identified until it was reportedly observed and crashed was about a whole 2 hours time and there was no military intervention the entire two hours while flying above the USA. We had AF planes nearby but they were told to sit while other from much farther away were told to take off and find the flights. Why... because they knew they would not get there in time to stop anything and that's what they wanted.

    The idiot jackers went down thinking they had pulled one over... but they did "the powers that be" a huge favor buy destroying some crutial evidence such as file and records from computers where many last minute money laundering transactions had taken place right up to the last possible minutes. Any evidence of the scope of the plan that had been kept in #7 also was convienently destroyed also.

    Once the plan had began, the paper trail for the plan was eliminated in # 7 allowing the next phase to begin with a new set of players. The destruction of three of the most protected buildings in the USA got our foot in the door, covered our involvement of backhanded dealings, and put the public in a position where if they did not support the plan... "Then you were not on our side."

    This is such a deep hole that it would take a long time to sort out even if they all confessed tomorrow. It would be that hard to imagine and even as hard to believe... but it did happen... That won't change.

    Very few knew the entire plan and like the Nazi's were just following orders doing their small parts that alone meant nothing... but together meant 9/11 happens.

    I also think it's possible that with all the money the jackers recieved they might have thought they were just jacking the planes and that maybe the "powers that be" took control by remote to finish them off. I have seen some profiling done on the jackers last days that did not suggest they were on a suiside mission at all.

    Which is another reason that we were told ALL FOUR black boxes became the first 4 black boxes in history to NEVER be found after a land crash.

    Hum... combine that with the first 3 steel structures to be brought down by fire... I see a patten of professionalism beyond the skills of some idiot jackers.

    They did manage to find a remarkably intact passport of one of the jackers at the base of all that incinerated debris. That's some tought paper they used for that passport.

    PRIVATE investigations have determined that the black boxes have been recovered but the governments official story still says none were found.

    I don't have to smell shit if I see it on the street just to know it's there... But...I not only see this... it also stinks like hell.

    I don't buy all those crazy conspiracy theories, but the Proven Facts that slowly have come out are building a case of their own. And when you connect the dots you start to see what most likely happened. There are still many dots missing and many people need to talk under sworn oath as to the record so that as more comes out we can flat out catch them in their LIES and only then will we be able to bust this case wide open and send that shit back uphill where it came from.

    "The powers that be" are not rookies and have many friends along with coerced servants who assist them so nothing will come easy.

    When you peel layers off an onion you cry... no different here. It's sad and it was a very sad day that never needed to happen, but it's too late for that now.

    Many have died with honor doing what they believe was the right thing... and they were told it was the right thing. I would love to honor them more by helping to dig to the bollom of this pit of snakes who directed this entire event over the last 9 years and more. Defense is one thing... covert false flags are another.

    I can even go as far back as 1982 and tell you that we in my job were being prepared for conflict in the middle east while the military was as a whole doing the same thing. Even my superiors said that was where we were going next. This is an old story which has only recently seen actions not just preparations.

    War was not the only reason this happened... those buildings contained information they wanted destroyed and plenty of valuables they flat out stole from the vaults also. Even the buildings new owners cashed in by doubling his insurance a few days before 9/11 and having them put an extra claus in there for acts of terror.

    The facts just keep coming and that big hole is stinking up the joint.

    The surviving Nazi's we own must have been proud. They taught the US well.

    Weapons, Missles, Engineering, Medicine, False Flags...etc.

    Wonder what the NWO will do next... Camping Trip Anyone?

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Wait, am I understanding you right? Is your theory that the hijackers were part of a conspiracy to begin with, a conspiracy that was either initiated or helped along by elements of the US government with the ultimate goal of troops in the Middle East?

    Why the hell would these hijackers, who all had ties to militant / extremist brands of Islam, be complicit with that conspiracy? They hate the US and would definitely not be part of a conspiracy with the gov't that resulted in US troops' boots on the ground in the Middle East.

    They were tools who were permitted to carry out their plan which in turn gave the "powers that be" the green light with no international backlash since "You're either with us or against us". So the jackers were allowed to complete their mission, allowing Bush and Co. to start going from the planning to the doing of their shopping trip to Iraq and Afganistan.

    The plan was known to be in the works, most likely the exact date and time also. All the US had to do was clear the path and act as if the lack of response was due to a training exercise which caught us shorthanded. All first responce from official was they had no idea a thing like this was planned, despite much evedence showing they had been forewarned long in advance. We and the Saudis paid the Pakistani ISI (Inter Services Intellegence) money which in turn was paid to the Jackers so our hands looked clean and the Jackers thought they had friends in Pakastan's ISI. The head of the ISI was at the White House the night before and while the transfer was made from the ISI to the jackers. Video Gaming I guess... since no one whats to explain why he was there in the first place on that night while all the final keys were being put into place.

    Many military and government official were told to change all travel plans and not to fly commercial during that time. At Bush's stay in Florida the night before he had snipers and anti-aircraft on the roof of where he was staying... a sudden change from any and all previous travel nights on the road away from Washington, DC. They just did not do this before... but made sure they were ready that night.

    The Eastern seaboard could have been attacked by many that day but they knew what to expect. They had even scheduled an excersize regarding a plane attack on the Towers for the same day. Just like the British had a terror training exercise going on when that famous subway bombing happened there. Johny on the spot... The Brits were at the station training when it happened.

    From the time 93 was identified until it was reportedly observed and crashed was about a whole 2 hours time and there was no military intervention the entire two hours while flying above the USA. We had AF planes nearby but they were told to sit while other from much farther away were told to take off and find the flights. Why... because they knew they would not get there in time to stop anything and that's what they wanted.

    The idiot jackers went down thinking they had pulled one over... but they did "the powers that be" a huge favor buy destroying some crutial evidence such as file and records from computers where many last minute money laundering transactions had taken place right up to the last possible minutes. Any evidence of the scope of the plan that had been kept in #7 also was convienently destroyed also.

    Once the plan had began, the paper trail for the plan was eliminated in # 7 allowing the next phase to begin with a new set of players. The destruction of three of the most protected buildings in the USA got our foot in the door, covered our involvement of backhanded dealings, and put the public in a position where if they did not support the plan... "Then you were not on our side."

    This is such a deep hole that it would take a long time to sort out even if they all confessed tomorrow. It would be that hard to imagine and even as hard to believe... but it did happen... That won't change.

    Very few knew the entire plan and like the Nazi's were just following orders doing their small parts that alone meant nothing... but together meant 9/11 happens.

    I also think it's possible that with all the money the jackers recieved they might have thought they were just jacking the planes and that maybe the "powers that be" took control by remote to finish them off. I have seen some profiling done on the jackers last days that did not suggest they were on a suiside mission at all.

    Which is another reason that we were told ALL FOUR black boxes became the first 4 black boxes in history to NEVER be found after a land crash.

    Hum... combine that with the first 3 steel structures to be brought down by fire... I see a patten of professionalism beyond the skills of some idiot jackers.

    They did manage to find a remarkably intact passport of one of the jackers at the base of all that incinerated debris. That's some tought paper they used for that passport.

    PRIVATE investigations have determined that the black boxes have been recovered but the governments official story still says none were found.

    I don't have to smell shit if I see it on the street just to know it's there... But...I not only see this... it also stinks like hell.

    I don't buy all those crazy conspiracy theories, but the Proven Facts that slowly have come out are building a case of their own. And when you connect the dots you start to see what most likely happened. There are still many dots missing and many people need to talk under sworn oath as to the record so that as more comes out we can flat out catch them in their LIES and only then will we be able to bust this case wide open and send that shit back uphill where it came from.

    "The powers that be" are not rookies and have many friends along with coerced servants who assist them so nothing will come easy.

    When you peel layers off an onion you cry... no different here. It's sad and it was a very sad day that never needed to happen, but it's too late for that now.

    Many have died with honor doing what they believe was the right thing... and they were told it was the right thing. I would love to honor them more by helping to dig to the bollom of this pit of snakes who directed this entire event over the last 9 years and more. Defense is one thing... covert false flags are another.

    I can even go as far back as 1982 and tell you that we in my job were being prepared for conflict in the middle east while the military was as a whole doing the same thing. Even my superiors said that was where we were going next. This is an old story which has only recently seen actions not just preparations.

    War was not the only reason this happened... those buildings contained information they wanted destroyed and plenty of valuables they flat out stole from the vaults also. Even the buildings new owners cashed in by doubling his insurance a few days before 9/11 and having them put an extra claus in there for acts of terror.

    The facts just keep coming and that big hole is stinking up the joint.

    The surviving Nazi's we own must have been proud. They taught the US well.

    Weapons, Missles, Engineering, Medicine, False Flags...etc.

    Wonder what the NWO will do next... Camping Trip Anyone?

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    And you can consider this a surrender that you have owned me over the last 5-6 years.  I can't compete and give up. 

    My foot was getting sore anyway and the same lame crap from you gets boring after a while.

    Continued success in calling everyone a moron that disagrees with you and changing the subject when you have no answers. I'm sure it makes you feel better. 

    Your last absurd responses to what I wrote were everything that I predicted you would say. No point in me responding to them. ....You deny everything anyway.

    One last point and I'm done wasting time on you about this.....

    If you really think there is NO video of WHATEVER hit the Pentagon......You are more delusional than even I ever thought.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    And you can consider this a surrender that you have owned me over the last 5-6 years.  I can't compete and give up. 

    My foot was getting sore anyway and the same lame crap from you gets boring after a while.

    Continued success in calling everyone a moron that disagrees with you and changing the subject when you have no answers. I'm sure it makes you feel better. 

    Your last absurd responses to what I wrote were everything that I predicted you would say. No point in me responding to them. ....You deny everything anyway.

    One last point and I'm done wasting time on you about this.....

    If you really think there is NO video of WHATEVER hit the Pentagon......You are more delusional than even I ever thought.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skubishack:

    They were tools who were permitted to carry out their plan which in turn gave the "powers that be" the green light with no international backlash since "You're either with us or against us". So the jackers were allowed to complete their mission, allowing Bush and Co. to start going from the planning to the doing of their shopping trip to Iraq and Afganistan.

    The plan was known to be in the works, most likely the exact date and time also. All the US had to do was clear the path and act as if the lack of response was due to a training exercise which caught us shorthanded. All first responce from official was they had no idea a thing like this was planned, despite much evedence showing they had been forewarned long in advance. We and the Saudis paid the Pakistani ISI (Inter Services Intellegence) money which in turn was paid to the Jackers so our hands looked clean and the Jackers thought they had friends in Pakastan's ISI. The head of the ISI was at the White House the night before and while the transfer was made from the ISI to the jackers. Video Gaming I guess... since no one whats to explain why he was there in the first place on that night while all the final keys were being put into place.

    Many military and government official were told to change all travel plans and not to fly commercial during that time. At Bush's stay in Florida the night before he had snipers and anti-aircraft on the roof of where he was staying... a sudden change from any and all previous travel nights on the road away from Washington, DC. They just did not do this before... but made sure they were ready that night.

    The Eastern seaboard could have been attacked by many that day but they knew what to expect. They had even scheduled an excersize regarding a plane attack on the Towers for the same day. Just like the British had a terror training exercise going on when that famous subway bombing happened there. Johny on the spot... The Brits were at the station training when it happened.

    From the time 93 was identified until it was reportedly observed and crashed was about a whole 2 hours time and there was no military intervention the entire two hours while flying above the USA. We had AF planes nearby but they were told to sit while other from much farther away were told to take off and find the flights. Why... because they knew they would not get there in time to stop anything and that's what they wanted.

    The idiot jackers went down thinking they had pulled one over... but they did "the powers that be" a huge favor buy destroying some crutial evidence such as file and records from computers where many last minute money laundering transactions had taken place right up to the last possible minutes. Any evidence of the scope of the plan that had been kept in #7 also was convienently destroyed also.

    Once the plan had began, the paper trail for the plan was eliminated in # 7 allowing the next phase to begin with a new set of players. The destruction of three of the most protected buildings in the USA got our foot in the door, covered our involvement of backhanded dealings, and put the public in a position where if they did not support the plan... "Then you were not on our side."

    This is such a deep hole that it would take a long time to sort out even if they all confessed tomorrow. It would be that hard to imagine and even as hard to believe... but it did happen... That won't change.

    Very few knew the entire plan and like the Nazi's were just following orders doing their small parts that alone meant nothing... but together meant 9/11 happens.

    I also think it's possible that with all the money the jackers recieved they might have thought they were just jacking the planes and that maybe the "powers that be" took control by remote to finish them off. I have seen some profiling done on the jackers last days that did not suggest they were on a suiside mission at all.

    Which is another reason that we were told ALL FOUR black boxes became the first 4 black boxes in history to NEVER be found after a land crash.

    Hum... combine that with the first 3 steel structures to be brought down by fire... I see a patten of professionalism beyond the skills of some idiot jackers.

    They did manage to find a remarkably intact passport of one of the jackers at the base of all that incinerated debris. That's some tought paper they used for that passport.

    PRIVATE investigations have determined that the black boxes have been recovered but the governments official story still says none were found.

    I don't have to smell shit if I see it on the street just to know it's there... But...I not only see this... it also stinks like hell.

    I don't buy all those crazy conspiracy theories, but the Proven Facts that slowly have come out are building a case of their own. And when you connect the dots you start to see what most likely happened. There are still many dots missing and many people need to talk under sworn oath as to the record so that as more comes out we can flat out catch them in their LIES and only then will we be able to bust this case wide open and send that shit back uphill where it came from.

    "The powers that be" are not rookies and have many friends along with coerced servants who assist them so nothing will come easy.

    When you peel layers off an onion you cry... no different here. It's sad and it was a very sad day that never needed to happen, but it's too late for that now.

    Many have died with honor doing what they believe was the right thing... and they were told it was the right thing. I would love to honor them more by helping to dig to the bollom of this pit of snakes who directed this entire event over the last 9 years and more. Defense is one thing... covert false flags are another.

    I can even go as far back as 1982 and tell you that we in my job were being prepared for conflict in the middle east while the military was as a whole doing the same thing. Even my superiors said that was where we were going next. This is an old story which has only recently seen actions not just preparations.

    War was not the only reason this happened... those buildings contained information they wanted destroyed and plenty of valuables they flat out stole from the vaults also. Even the buildings new owners cashed in by doubling his insurance a few days before 9/11 and having them put an extra claus in there for acts of terror.

    The facts just keep coming and that big hole is stinking up the joint.

    The surviving Nazi's we own must have been proud. They taught the US well.

    Weapons, Missles, Engineering, Medicine, False Flags...etc.

    Wonder what the NWO will do next... Camping Trip Anyone?

     

    There are a lot of assertions in this thread. A lot of what some may call conjecture.

    And not one of them is actually backed up with actual proof.

    You do realize that the absence of information does not a consipracy make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skubishack:

    They were tools who were permitted to carry out their plan which in turn gave the "powers that be" the green light with no international backlash since "You're either with us or against us". So the jackers were allowed to complete their mission, allowing Bush and Co. to start going from the planning to the doing of their shopping trip to Iraq and Afganistan.

    The plan was known to be in the works, most likely the exact date and time also. All the US had to do was clear the path and act as if the lack of response was due to a training exercise which caught us shorthanded. All first responce from official was they had no idea a thing like this was planned, despite much evedence showing they had been forewarned long in advance. We and the Saudis paid the Pakistani ISI (Inter Services Intellegence) money which in turn was paid to the Jackers so our hands looked clean and the Jackers thought they had friends in Pakastan's ISI. The head of the ISI was at the White House the night before and while the transfer was made from the ISI to the jackers. Video Gaming I guess... since no one whats to explain why he was there in the first place on that night while all the final keys were being put into place.

    Many military and government official were told to change all travel plans and not to fly commercial during that time. At Bush's stay in Florida the night before he had snipers and anti-aircraft on the roof of where he was staying... a sudden change from any and all previous travel nights on the road away from Washington, DC. They just did not do this before... but made sure they were ready that night.

    The Eastern seaboard could have been attacked by many that day but they knew what to expect. They had even scheduled an excersize regarding a plane attack on the Towers for the same day. Just like the British had a terror training exercise going on when that famous subway bombing happened there. Johny on the spot... The Brits were at the station training when it happened.

    From the time 93 was identified until it was reportedly observed and crashed was about a whole 2 hours time and there was no military intervention the entire two hours while flying above the USA. We had AF planes nearby but they were told to sit while other from much farther away were told to take off and find the flights. Why... because they knew they would not get there in time to stop anything and that's what they wanted.

    The idiot jackers went down thinking they had pulled one over... but they did "the powers that be" a huge favor buy destroying some crutial evidence such as file and records from computers where many last minute money laundering transactions had taken place right up to the last possible minutes. Any evidence of the scope of the plan that had been kept in #7 also was convienently destroyed also.

    Once the plan had began, the paper trail for the plan was eliminated in # 7 allowing the next phase to begin with a new set of players. The destruction of three of the most protected buildings in the USA got our foot in the door, covered our involvement of backhanded dealings, and put the public in a position where if they did not support the plan... "Then you were not on our side."

    This is such a deep hole that it would take a long time to sort out even if they all confessed tomorrow. It would be that hard to imagine and even as hard to believe... but it did happen... That won't change.

    Very few knew the entire plan and like the Nazi's were just following orders doing their small parts that alone meant nothing... but together meant 9/11 happens.

    I also think it's possible that with all the money the jackers recieved they might have thought they were just jacking the planes and that maybe the "powers that be" took control by remote to finish them off. I have seen some profiling done on the jackers last days that did not suggest they were on a suiside mission at all.

    Which is another reason that we were told ALL FOUR black boxes became the first 4 black boxes in history to NEVER be found after a land crash.

    Hum... combine that with the first 3 steel structures to be brought down by fire... I see a patten of professionalism beyond the skills of some idiot jackers.

    They did manage to find a remarkably intact passport of one of the jackers at the base of all that incinerated debris. That's some tought paper they used for that passport.

    PRIVATE investigations have determined that the black boxes have been recovered but the governments official story still says none were found.

    I don't have to smell shit if I see it on the street just to know it's there... But...I not only see this... it also stinks like hell.

    I don't buy all those crazy conspiracy theories, but the Proven Facts that slowly have come out are building a case of their own. And when you connect the dots you start to see what most likely happened. There are still many dots missing and many people need to talk under sworn oath as to the record so that as more comes out we can flat out catch them in their LIES and only then will we be able to bust this case wide open and send that shit back uphill where it came from.

    "The powers that be" are not rookies and have many friends along with coerced servants who assist them so nothing will come easy.

    When you peel layers off an onion you cry... no different here. It's sad and it was a very sad day that never needed to happen, but it's too late for that now.

    Many have died with honor doing what they believe was the right thing... and they were told it was the right thing. I would love to honor them more by helping to dig to the bollom of this pit of snakes who directed this entire event over the last 9 years and more. Defense is one thing... covert false flags are another.

    I can even go as far back as 1982 and tell you that we in my job were being prepared for conflict in the middle east while the military was as a whole doing the same thing. Even my superiors said that was where we were going next. This is an old story which has only recently seen actions not just preparations.

    War was not the only reason this happened... those buildings contained information they wanted destroyed and plenty of valuables they flat out stole from the vaults also. Even the buildings new owners cashed in by doubling his insurance a few days before 9/11 and having them put an extra claus in there for acts of terror.

    The facts just keep coming and that big hole is stinking up the joint.

    The surviving Nazi's we own must have been proud. They taught the US well.

    Weapons, Missles, Engineering, Medicine, False Flags...etc.

    Wonder what the NWO will do next... Camping Trip Anyone?

     

    There are a lot of assertions in this thread. A lot of what some may call conjecture.

    And not one of them is actually backed up with actual proof.

    You do realize that the absence of information does not a consipracy make.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skubishack:

    They were tools who were permitted to carry out their plan which in turn gave the "powers that be" the green light with no international backlash since "You're either with us or against us". So the jackers were allowed to complete their mission, allowing Bush and Co. to start going from the planning to the doing of their shopping trip to Iraq and Afganistan.

    The plan was known to be in the works, most likely the exact date and time also. All the US had to do was clear the path and act as if the lack of response was due to a training exercise which caught us shorthanded. All first responce from official was they had no idea a thing like this was planned, despite much evedence showing they had been forewarned long in advance. We and the Saudis paid the Pakistani ISI (Inter Services Intellegence) money which in turn was paid to the Jackers so our hands looked clean and the Jackers thought they had friends in Pakastan's ISI. The head of the ISI was at the White House the night before and while the transfer was made from the ISI to the jackers. Video Gaming I guess... since no one whats to explain why he was there in the first place on that night while all the final keys were being put into place.

    Many military and government official were told to change all travel plans and not to fly commercial during that time. At Bush's stay in Florida the night before he had snipers and anti-aircraft on the roof of where he was staying... a sudden change from any and all previous travel nights on the road away from Washington, DC. They just did not do this before... but made sure they were ready that night.

    The Eastern seaboard could have been attacked by many that day but they knew what to expect. They had even scheduled an excersize regarding a plane attack on the Towers for the same day. Just like the British had a terror training exercise going on when that famous subway bombing happened there. Johny on the spot... The Brits were at the station training when it happened.

    From the time 93 was identified until it was reportedly observed and crashed was about a whole 2 hours time and there was no military intervention the entire two hours while flying above the USA. We had AF planes nearby but they were told to sit while other from much farther away were told to take off and find the flights. Why... because they knew they would not get there in time to stop anything and that's what they wanted.

    The idiot jackers went down thinking they had pulled one over... but they did "the powers that be" a huge favor buy destroying some crutial evidence such as file and records from computers where many last minute money laundering transactions had taken place right up to the last possible minutes. Any evidence of the scope of the plan that had been kept in #7 also was convienently destroyed also.

    Once the plan had began, the paper trail for the plan was eliminated in # 7 allowing the next phase to begin with a new set of players. The destruction of three of the most protected buildings in the USA got our foot in the door, covered our involvement of backhanded dealings, and put the public in a position where if they did not support the plan... "Then you were not on our side."

    This is such a deep hole that it would take a long time to sort out even if they all confessed tomorrow. It would be that hard to imagine and even as hard to believe... but it did happen... That won't change.

    Very few knew the entire plan and like the Nazi's were just following orders doing their small parts that alone meant nothing... but together meant 9/11 happens.

    I also think it's possible that with all the money the jackers recieved they might have thought they were just jacking the planes and that maybe the "powers that be" took control by remote to finish them off. I have seen some profiling done on the jackers last days that did not suggest they were on a suiside mission at all.

    Which is another reason that we were told ALL FOUR black boxes became the first 4 black boxes in history to NEVER be found after a land crash.

    Hum... combine that with the first 3 steel structures to be brought down by fire... I see a patten of professionalism beyond the skills of some idiot jackers.

    They did manage to find a remarkably intact passport of one of the jackers at the base of all that incinerated debris. That's some tought paper they used for that passport.

    PRIVATE investigations have determined that the black boxes have been recovered but the governments official story still says none were found.

    I don't have to smell shit if I see it on the street just to know it's there... But...I not only see this... it also stinks like hell.

    I don't buy all those crazy conspiracy theories, but the Proven Facts that slowly have come out are building a case of their own. And when you connect the dots you start to see what most likely happened. There are still many dots missing and many people need to talk under sworn oath as to the record so that as more comes out we can flat out catch them in their LIES and only then will we be able to bust this case wide open and send that shit back uphill where it came from.

    "The powers that be" are not rookies and have many friends along with coerced servants who assist them so nothing will come easy.

    When you peel layers off an onion you cry... no different here. It's sad and it was a very sad day that never needed to happen, but it's too late for that now.

    Many have died with honor doing what they believe was the right thing... and they were told it was the right thing. I would love to honor them more by helping to dig to the bollom of this pit of snakes who directed this entire event over the last 9 years and more. Defense is one thing... covert false flags are another.

    I can even go as far back as 1982 and tell you that we in my job were being prepared for conflict in the middle east while the military was as a whole doing the same thing. Even my superiors said that was where we were going next. This is an old story which has only recently seen actions not just preparations.

    War was not the only reason this happened... those buildings contained information they wanted destroyed and plenty of valuables they flat out stole from the vaults also. Even the buildings new owners cashed in by doubling his insurance a few days before 9/11 and having them put an extra claus in there for acts of terror.

    The facts just keep coming and that big hole is stinking up the joint.

    The surviving Nazi's we own must have been proud. They taught the US well.

    Weapons, Missles, Engineering, Medicine, False Flags...etc.

    Wonder what the NWO will do next... Camping Trip Anyone?

     




    All of the bolded/enlarged text above really needs citations to be taken seriously.
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    They were tools who were permitted to carry out their plan which in turn gave the "powers that be" the green light with no international backlash since "You're either with us or against us". So the jackers were allowed to complete their mission, allowing Bush and Co. to start going from the planning to the doing of their shopping trip to Iraq and Afganistan.

    The plan was known to be in the works, most likely the exact date and time also. All the US had to do was clear the path and act as if the lack of response was due to a training exercise which caught us shorthanded. All first responce from official was they had no idea a thing like this was planned, despite much evedence showing they had been forewarned long in advance. We and the Saudis paid the Pakistani ISI (Inter Services Intellegence) money which in turn was paid to the Jackers so our hands looked clean and the Jackers thought they had friends in Pakastan's ISI. The head of the ISI was at the White House the night before and while the transfer was made from the ISI to the jackers. Video Gaming I guess... since no one whats to explain why he was there in the first place on that night while all the final keys were being put into place.

    Many military and government official were told to change all travel plans and not to fly commercial during that time. At Bush's stay in Florida the night before he had snipers and anti-aircraft on the roof of where he was staying... a sudden change from any and all previous travel nights on the road away from Washington, DC. They just did not do this before... but made sure they were ready that night.

    The Eastern seaboard could have been attacked by many that day but they knew what to expect. They had even scheduled an excersize regarding a plane attack on the Towers for the same day. Just like the British had a terror training exercise going on when that famous subway bombing happened there. Johny on the spot... The Brits were at the station training when it happened.

    From the time 93 was identified until it was reportedly observed and crashed was about a whole 2 hours time and there was no military intervention the entire two hours while flying above the USA. We had AF planes nearby but they were told to sit while other from much farther away were told to take off and find the flights. Why... because they knew they would not get there in time to stop anything and that's what they wanted.

    The idiot jackers went down thinking they had pulled one over... but they did "the powers that be" a huge favor buy destroying some crutial evidence such as file and records from computers where many last minute money laundering transactions had taken place right up to the last possible minutes. Any evidence of the scope of the plan that had been kept in #7 also was convienently destroyed also.

    Once the plan had began, the paper trail for the plan was eliminated in # 7 allowing the next phase to begin with a new set of players. The destruction of three of the most protected buildings in the USA got our foot in the door, covered our involvement of backhanded dealings, and put the public in a position where if they did not support the plan... "Then you were not on our side."

    This is such a deep hole that it would take a long time to sort out even if they all confessed tomorrow. It would be that hard to imagine and even as hard to believe... but it did happen... That won't change.

    Very few knew the entire plan and like the Nazi's were just following orders doing their small parts that alone meant nothing... but together meant 9/11 happens.

    I also think it's possible that with all the money the jackers recieved they might have thought they were just jacking the planes and that maybe the "powers that be" took control by remote to finish them off. I have seen some profiling done on the jackers last days that did not suggest they were on a suiside mission at all.

    Which is another reason that we were told ALL FOUR black boxes became the first 4 black boxes in history to NEVER be found after a land crash.

    Hum... combine that with the first 3 steel structures to be brought down by fire... I see a patten of professionalism beyond the skills of some idiot jackers.

    They did manage to find a remarkably intact passport of one of the jackers at the base of all that incinerated debris. That's some tought paper they used for that passport.

    PRIVATE investigations have determined that the black boxes have been recovered but the governments official story still says none were found.

    I don't have to smell shit if I see it on the street just to know it's there... But...I not only see this... it also stinks like hell.

    I don't buy all those crazy conspiracy theories, but the Proven Facts that slowly have come out are building a case of their own. And when you connect the dots you start to see what most likely happened. There are still many dots missing and many people need to talk under sworn oath as to the record so that as more comes out we can flat out catch them in their LIES and only then will we be able to bust this case wide open and send that shit back uphill where it came from.

    "The powers that be" are not rookies and have many friends along with coerced servants who assist them so nothing will come easy.

    When you peel layers off an onion you cry... no different here. It's sad and it was a very sad day that never needed to happen, but it's too late for that now.

    Many have died with honor doing what they believe was the right thing... and they were told it was the right thing. I would love to honor them more by helping to dig to the bollom of this pit of snakes who directed this entire event over the last 9 years and more. Defense is one thing... covert false flags are another.

    I can even go as far back as 1982 and tell you that we in my job were being prepared for conflict in the middle east while the military was as a whole doing the same thing. Even my superiors said that was where we were going next. This is an old story which has only recently seen actions not just preparations.

    War was not the only reason this happened... those buildings contained information they wanted destroyed and plenty of valuables they flat out stole from the vaults also. Even the buildings new owners cashed in by doubling his insurance a few days before 9/11 and having them put an extra claus in there for acts of terror.

    The facts just keep coming and that big hole is stinking up the joint.

    The surviving Nazi's we own must have been proud. They taught the US well.

    Weapons, Missles, Engineering, Medicine, False Flags...etc.

    Wonder what the NWO will do next... Camping Trip Anyone?

     




    All of the bolded/enlarged text above really needs citations to be taken seriously.
     
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    All of the bolded/enlarged text above really needs citations to be taken seriously.

    These are the "Loose Change" people...they aren't interested in facts.

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    All of the bolded/enlarged text above really needs citations to be taken seriously.

    These are the "Loose Change" people...they aren't interested in facts.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    These are the "Loose Change" people...they aren't interested in facts.



    The one about the head of the ISI being at the White House is a new one, never heard that one before.
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    These are the "Loose Change" people...they aren't interested in facts.



    The one about the head of the ISI being at the White House is a new one, never heard that one before.
     
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    I also think it's possible that with all the money the jackers recieved they might have thought they were just jacking the planes and that maybe the "powers that be" took control by remote to finish them off. I have seen some profiling done on the jackers last days that did not suggest they were on a suiside mission at all.


    wow a whole new theory -- the planes were flown into the buildings by remote control ! --- Smdio what  say you now?  the plane did hit the pentagon -- and it was flown by remote control !! ....off course however according to you

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    I also think it's possible that with all the money the jackers recieved they might have thought they were just jacking the planes and that maybe the "powers that be" took control by remote to finish them off. I have seen some profiling done on the jackers last days that did not suggest they were on a suiside mission at all.


    wow a whole new theory -- the planes were flown into the buildings by remote control ! --- Smdio what  say you now?  the plane did hit the pentagon -- and it was flown by remote control !! ....off course however according to you

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