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Quote Originally Posted by jpero:



99% of scientists do not agree with religions about creationism.

The greatest thinkers and founders of our nation also said that religion does more harm than good and it would be best if religions were abolished.

You're completely wrong, but I really don't want to debate this subject with anyone, because no matter how much evidence I present, people like you who have their minds made up about creation vs. evolution etc...are like brick walls in their thinking and will spin whatever I say into something to suit their argument.

I'd much rather bang my head on a cement wall until my brains are come falling out of my head.

You believe what you believe, i'll believe what I believe

Anyway, I like the Nationals tonight -185.

 
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"How long has this been going on?"

Struggle for existence

The Mu'tazili scientist and philosopher al-Jahiz (c. 776-869) was the first of the Muslim biologists and philosophers to develop an early theory of evolution. He speculated on the influence of the environment on animals, considered the effects of the environment on the likelihood of an animal to survive, and first described the struggle for existence, a precursor to natural selection.[56][57] Al-Jahiz's ideas on the struggle for existence in the Book of Animals have been summarized as follows:

"Animals engage in a struggle for existence; for resources, to avoid being eaten and to breed. Environmental factors influence organisms to develop new characteristics to ensure survival, thus transforming into new species. Animals that survive to breed can pass on their successful characteristics to offspring."
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikael99:

RichardA spoken like a true believer .... in GOD.

A) The bible tells that god created man like we know it now.  Wrong
B) The bible also tells that god created different animals, and earth. Again wrong...

In fact by studying DNA in many different types of species we can see that life started in the ocean and then spread up on land and diversified from there.

You say there is no proof that man evolved from anything. WRONG ... SO WRONG.

In fact it is proven that man descend from apes, who again descend from fish. The genes we share prove it !!! It is biology my friend and it is inside us to prove it.

You ask how can your eyes, mouth, male, female evolve. It happends through gene mutations..

And even if we have to accept your statement that god plays a part in the process of evolution, but in fact did not create man... it leads to my other point, which is that the bible is bogus.

So by your own admission you do not believe in the bible?


You keep basing your argument on the fact that the bible is incorrect. It is a compilation of "stories" rewritten and translated, so yeah, a lot of the meaning is lost...

Are you saying science is never wrong?

 
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I find it funny and ironic that the ones who attack religions as trying to force their views on society are the same ones trying to force their opinions on everyone else.  Both parties are extreme in their agenda.
 
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Well,if there is a higher being(s),I godda think an Intelligent Designer created the Evolution process.Both theories provided validity.That's the only way I want to live to believe.The Bible has been in the hands of too many humans for too long...I read that book with grains of salt.
 
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Oh,by the way,amen and god bless!
 
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Quote Originally Posted by D_Unit:

I find it funny and ironic that the ones who attack religions as trying to force their views on society are the same ones trying to force their opinions on everyone else.  Both parties are extreme in their agenda.

not once have i tried to force any of my beliefs on anyone.  i may ask questions and call the answers (such as they are) stupid, but i'm open to anything that makes any sort of sense.  a couple of questions i ask that never get any reasonable answers are: tell me about your God?  what makes Her andy more plausible than the hundreds of other gods?  what makes your religion any more plausible than any of the thousands of other religions that are contrary to yours?  

oakley, you are correct.   as we've said, evolution is 100% fact.  however, the fact of evolution does not negate the existence of a God.  many of the religious types don't get that point because they've been conditioned to shun the idea of evolution because a shallow understanding of that concept leads to a fear of it and anything that threatens the religon's business model must be discounted.    
 
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I'm very happy not to live in your hate filled, insecure, negative world.
Every one has beliefs, get used to it.
Try and make at least one positive contribution to the world, while you are alive.  You seem to have a very negative opinion of all around the world, try looking in the mirror and making peace with your wretched soul.
 
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Hey Mikeal can your brilliant scientific brain at least give us some specific points from the documentary.  I prefer to shoot down blasphemy in point form. 

Dinosaur protiens have been recently found on fossils.  Scientists know it is impossible for the protiens to have been preserved for the alleged "80 million years"  There for the dinosausrs must have been fossilized during Noah's ark.  SWISH !

 
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evolution is the current theory... does not mean it is right...

old testament is a far older theory... does not mean it is right...

but if I had to bet my life on which one is right, I would pick the theory that is based on the most current science... just like I would pick for medicine, transportation, communication and diet...

believing in creationism is like being Amish in your paradigm... it is not wrong, but it is based on a life style that is very old...


 
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I am in no way religious, and cannot stand the religious right and the literal translations of the bible, or any religious book.  I agree with freedom of religion (or lack there of), where most Christians or religious people agree with freedom of THEIR religion.  I find it very odd that even the hardest core of Christians can believe a tribe in Africa (or anywhere) who have never even heard of Jesus Christ will go to hell because they are not Christians.

The question science cannot answer - Creation.  Where things initially appeared or how chemicals and elements became available is still something even scientists don't touch.  I do believe in a creator and I consider myself Agnostic.  I would like for science to prove creation or existence, but believe it will never happen.  I believe in science because that what I do for a living and how I prove things to myself.  That being said, MOST religious people (and people in general) take things on faith and do not think about how things work or what goes into making things.

I use to get bent out of shape thinking about religion (still do when dealing with right-wing religious zealots), but people have been trying to disprove religion (and yes you can disprove the literal translations all day) for a long, long time.  Religion makes most people feel good, it also makes some kill (but so does lack of virtue and values).  I've finally realized people are different and should be accepted as such.  Doesn't make you have to like them or befriend them, just let them do their thing as long as they are not physically harming you or others (which most don't), unless it's professing opinions on their kids which is a whole different discussion.

-okay I'm at the end and I'm not re-reading this whole post, if it doesn't make sense I'm sorry...
 
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science and creationism are perfectly compatable. I don't know what all the fuss is about.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by STLCard:

I am in no way religious, and cannot stand the religious right and the literal translations of the bible, or any religious book.  I agree with freedom of religion (or lack there of), where most Christians or religious people agree with freedom of THEIR religion.  I find it very odd that even the hardest core of Christians can believe a tribe in Africa (or anywhere) who have never even heard of Jesus Christ will go to hell because they are not Christians.

The question science cannot answer - Creation.  Where things initially appeared or how chemicals and elements became available is still something even scientists don't touch.  I do believe in a creator and I consider myself Agnostic.  I would like for science to prove creation or existence, but believe it will never happen.  I believe in science because that what I do for a living and how I prove things to myself.  That being said, MOST religious people (and people in general) take things on faith and do not think about how things work or what goes into making things.

I use to get bent out of shape thinking about religion (still do when dealing with right-wing religious zealots), but people have been trying to disprove religion (and yes you can disprove the literal translations all day) for a long, long time.  Religion makes most people feel good, it also makes some kill (but so does lack of virtue and values).  I've finally realized people are different and should be accepted as such.  Doesn't make you have to like them or befriend them, just let them do their thing as long as they are not physically harming you or others (which most don't), unless it's professing opinions on their kids which is a whole different discussion.

-okay I'm at the end and I'm not re-reading this whole post, if it doesn't make sense I'm sorry...

good post and i agree with most of it, except that science will never prove how we got here.  

obviously, that's just an opinion but when you think about how far our collective knowledge has come in just a few short years, if the religious crazies don't blow up the earth first, i think our knowledge will continue to progress to the point where we'll have a pretty good idea how it all came together.  for example, just a few short years ago, christians thought rainbows were the path to heaven and they didn't believe in opening up the human body for surgery or other treatment because it would desecrate the human form before it went to heaven which was an obviou deterrent to medical advances.  those ideas were prevalent just recently.  our learning curve is on the steep incline and will continue in my opinion.  
 
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Quote Originally Posted by RichardA:

You're completely wrong, but I really don't want to debate this subject with anyone, because no matter how much evidence I present, people like you who have their minds made up about creation vs. evolution etc...are like brick walls in their thinking and will spin whatever I say into something to suit their argument. I'd much rather bang my head on a cement wall until my brains are come falling out of my head.You believe what you believe, i'll believe what I believe Anyway, I like the Nationals tonight 185.

 Michael, Man Evolution cant Explain? Your completely wrrong! And I am not just being contrary! If your serious about knowing the truth about evolution, READ , "Darwins Dilemma"! Did you know Darwin even went against his earlier written Evoolution Theories prior to his death! Off the top of my head I cant remember the period, but there is a gap, and it blows evolution out the water! Did you know? NOW THINK BOUT THIS! It takes MORE Faith, which is the basis of Christianity, to believe  in evolution thatn it does a creator! The random numbers of this precisely "evolving are so high its incomprehensible! Please read Darwins Dilemma, and yopu will see believers in Evolution showing that there is a huge GAAP that can not be explained therefore is discredited therefgore discrediting evolution!  

 
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Darwins Dilemma ! The Book at Amazon is cheap! As I stated this "gap", in this massive jump, or asummation, and Science is all factually based, something someone can touch, feel, look at, test, but Christianity is the faith in the unseen! From where they start to early recorded man this gap blows the theory! THese fossils of the different skulls and renderations of "probable" pictures of early man could have been a lot of inbred tribes that had those charactyeristics? This is frequently described as “the Cambrian Explosion,” the development of these new animal types required a massive increase in genetic information. ( Which was missing!) “The big question that the Cambrian Explosion poses is where does all that new information come from?” says Dr. Stephen Meyer, a featured expert in the documentary and author of the book Signature in the Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design. Growing evidence suggests that the creation of novel genetic information requires intelligence, and thus the burst of genetic information during the Cambrian Explosion provides convincing evidence that animal life is the product of intelligent design rather than a blind undirected process like natural selection.

Darwin’s Dilemma recreates the prehistoric world of the Cambrian era with state-of-the-art computer animation, and the film features interviews with numerous scientists, including leading evolutionary paleontologists Simon Conway Morris of Cambridge University and James Valentine of the University of California at Berkeley, marine biologist Paul Chien of the University of San Francisco, and evolutionary biologist Richard Sternberg, a Research Collaborator at the National Museum of Natural History. The new film forms the conclusion of a trilogy of science documentaries by Illustra Media that includes the previous acclaimed films Unlocking the Mystery of Life and The Privileged Planet. We can agree to disagree on the politics, because I love the debate on anything of interest! But , There is no way there was a big bang and a 1 celled amoeba turns into all animalks, with Phyla Kingdom, and all when you get to that in plants also, is fits to PERFECT NOT to be from INTELLIGENT DEZIGN! IMO    

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikael99:

I have been watching some programs lately on Nova, PBS about evolution.

Back in the times of Darwin it was easy to shot him and his theories down when he said we descented from Apes.

Now with the advances of DNA and our knowledge of the human genom we can scientifically prove that we humans are 99% comparable with chimps and that we and all 4 and 2 legged animals descend from fish who walked up on land some 350 million years ago.

Now how do you then explain that god created when biology says it is not so.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/beta/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html 

So what we have here is that scientists finally proves that the bible and all religion is one big fraud.

If i had to stretch my imagination i might say that "a god" could create the first set of life on earth, a plankton or a cell in the ocean and then go from there.... but one thing is a fact, the bible, the koran, the tora are books filled with lies

Sorry, I just read your title and didnt take time to read this , because your way off base on the title much less this nonsense you wrote ? My friend if your gonna step out there on a specific subject, you need to know it! Later !  DARWINS DILLEMA!!!!!!!!

 
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a lot of proeblems with that darwin's dilemma movie.  number one, you always need check the source and apparently it was produced by some hardcore religious creationist folks.  that's a big credibility issue.  secondly, the movie's premise is based on the idea that this cambrain explosion of new animal life was relatively instantaneous.  objective scientists and paleontologists say that animal fossils existed before this carmbrain "explosion" and this "instantaneous explosion" of animl life took place over tens of millions of years.  not exactly instantaneous.  
the movei also ignores, or lies about, transitions between animals that are verified in fossils.  

and perhaps the biggest flaw in this thinking is that if the cambrian "explosion" did in fact discredit evolution, which it doesn't because it ignores facts and distorts others, that it would mean intelligent design is true.  that, again, is the opposite of logic.  

but to really understand the flaw of darwin's dilemma and see that it's really a religious creationism's infomercial and distortion, read what perhaps the only objective scientist used in the movie says about how his statemens were protrayed by the producer of darwin's dilemma:

What James Valentine Really Thinks About Evolution

Dr. James Valentine, an evolutionary biologist and Professor Emeritus in the Department of Integrative Biology at the University of California at Berkeley, is featured in the intelligent design movieDarwin’s Dilemma.

I wish to clarify my role in the new film Darwin’s Dilemma. When I was interviewed about a decade ago for the material used in this movie, I was unaware that this interview might appear in a film promoting intelligent design. My appearance should not be misconstrued as support for any creationist agenda.

I support evolution.

I disagree with the view that the best explanation for the Cambrian record is the action of an “intelligent designer” instantaneously creating phyla. Had the filmmakers bothered to read my book On the Origin of Phyla, they would have understood that I do not support a creationist interpretation of the Cambrian explosion or the fossil record. Scientific findings in many fields, including my own (paleobiology) as well as geology, geophysics, geochemistry, developmental biology, and systematics, have led to a synthesis of the events surrounding the Cambrian explosion that is in full accord with well-established evolutionary principles.

When watching Darwin’s Dilemma, I ask viewers to note:
  • My interview statements do not criticize evolution
  • My interview statements do not promote creationism or intelligent design
  • Even though my interview is interspersed with several intelligent design advocates, I do not share their interpretation of the Cambrian record
I would like viewers to know:
  • I think evolution is the best scientific interpretation of the fossil record
  • While the religious views of individuals should be respected, scientists also merit respect earned by generations of hard work in their fields.
Dr. James Valentine
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Proving evolution wrong does not prove creationism as correct...

so the whole attacking darwin and evolution is a smoke screen for the fact that creationism comes from a time of human sacrifice and idol worship,
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Getty3:

Science is better at baffling the mind with bullshit than any extremist religion you will ever encounter.

Science has no use for God because his existence can't be proven, but are excited about the "very real" possibility of extraterrestrial life forms, which of course have no basis in fact either.

So if God did not create man, then who did ?

Thats the scariest shit i've ever heard. So because you can't understand how we evolved, you believe  that some made up big man in the sky is responsible for everything? I don't blame you though i'd wish all the god stuff was true.

Ricky Gervais explains it all.

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Quote Originally Posted by OnlyGod:

Hey Mikeal can your brilliant scientific brain at least give us some specific points from the documentary.  I prefer to shoot down blasphemy in point form. 

Dinosaur protiens have been recently found on fossils.  Scientists know it is impossible for the protiens to have been preserved for the alleged "80 million years"  There for the dinosausrs must have been fossilized during Noah's ark.  SWISH !

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Quote Originally Posted by RichardA:

science and creationism are perfectly compatable. I don't know what all the fuss is about.

Well my friend you need to watch https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1091617/  it is actually packed with very intellegent religious people, all who have Phd's doctorates, masters etc.  Many of them have lost thier jobs for even remotely suggestion the idea of intelligent design.  The scientific atheists are the bullies in all this, they are so close minded to the idea.  Also as many of you have stated they have no logical explanation for how life began in the first place.

 
 
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