California Chrome Derby speed fig

They could be on May 17th......... Stranger things have happened

 

Very nice of you to say, Barber. I appreciate it.

regarding CC's running time in the Derby.....Pace Makes Race; Maybe in the shortened up Preakness, the Race will Make the Pace, especially with the speed?????

 

Just asking...don't read too much into CC's time in the Derby. He sat back--patiently waiting-- like a baby waiting to fart, then struck.

 That in itself made the race slower.

I read something recently on bloodhorse by Steve Haskin that made me change my tune a bit. It's his Derby recap and he talked to the outrider who brings the Derby winner back to the winners circle. The outriders comments are great. I'll see if I can find the link

Social Inclusion and Bayern will make the Preakness a faster pace definitely. Plus Pablo del Monte and Ring Weekend are front runners. I'm looking forward to the post draw!

Is Ring Weekend O?. I have been working so many hours I find little time to catch up

I meant to ask if RW is OK physically? I am totally out of touch right now with 14 hour work days

I know this will fit right in on topic... did you catch Sherman's comments Sunday about the race pace? Even he could not believe the slower pace....48 plus for a half..was 1:13 for 6 f...1:37mile....Art was saying CC usually  runs 46  half, 6f at 1:09  and a mile @ 1:33+.. 

Ring weekend is supposed to work Saturday and then Motion will make his decision

Angry: here are the comments:

Yes that is what I read!

https://www.drf.com/news/history-says-slow-derby-time-means-little-going-forward

THIS ENDS THE DEBATE

https://www.drf.com/blogs/california-chrome-and-his-derby-beyer

Ummmm no it doesn't that's ONE m

Ummm no it doesn't that's one persons opinions on it . So until CC proves it's a fluke the debate is still very much open

He ran the slowest Derby on a fast track since 1974, so make all the excuses u want facts are facts

The original Beyer was 91!! It was adjusted for wind...

It's funny how people crown this horse already! I'll Have Another was better(IMO) and his Preakness price was 3-1......,

Please bet against him in the Preakness against all those superior horses he will face. It will just help my odds

Are you serious ?

Chitu-2

Hahaha that was a free pool CLOWN!! My Derby picks are posted, clearly I had Chrome....... And hit the pick 4.

LOSER if CC wasn't the favorite you never woulda had him bc your the worst capper in this forum.

Well, to be fair, IHA solely had those odds because of Bode.

But I do agree with you that IHA was more of a TC threat than CC.

I'm increasingly more likely to play against CC. I'm not sure I like the vibe I'm seeing and his body language is looking like that of a tired horse. I hope I'm wrong and obviously, I will wait until later this week to make up my mind.

I think its possible we see a Shackelford like performance this year.

I guess compared to the group of nags he ran against he is perfect, but not in same league as great horses of past.  Think he wins Preakness easy and runs out of money in Belmont.  

And this goes to the point I was trying to make last week.

If, and its a big if, but if there is a fatigue factor between the Derby and Preakness and that accounts for the losses and out of money of  Super Saver, Street Sense, Orb, I think it is a mistake to play this race based on who beats CC, but rather, who is favored by the race setup. Is there a closer into the speed we should see? Does Social Inclusion run away from them all?

I still think there is money to be made even if you like CC. He should be in the 3/5 or 4/5 range and I think there are several throwouts for the exotic plays (I will be tossing Ride on Curlin and Ria).